Gunman wounds GOP congressman, then killed by police

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  • AzPete Mesa, AZ
    June 15, 2017 4:38 p.m.

    Utah Girl - Apparently you have never used a suppressor - calling it a "silencer" is a misnomer. A suppressor does not make a firearm silent. You still hear the gunshot, just not as loud.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    June 15, 2017 10:29 a.m.

    Gary O, in answer to your question, which is totally irrelevant, the answer is no. Keeping Obama Care wouldn't have prevented this madness.

    This shouldn't be a debate about gun control. Bad guy would still have gotten a gun. Bad guy would still have used said gun. He most likely bought it in Illinois and brought it with him.

    The debate should be, is the current toxic environment, mostly from the left, what caused this. I saw bad guy's facebook posts before they were deactivated. He was a left wing loon. No question.

    The right during Obama wasn't totally blameless but the left has been far worse over the years going back to Reagan.

    The key is to ratchet it back. Remember the Golden Rule and act accordingly.

    You can have policy differences but those differences can be talked out civilly. Not by calling people liars and etc.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    June 15, 2017 8:49 a.m.

    The conservatives will ignore the irony of this event. There were armed security at the field, they did return fire, and while the suspect later died of wounds received, he also inflicted injuries on his targets.

    It would seem rather than place more controls on gun ownership, the conservatives would rather make 'America Great' by turning the country in to a banana republic, where every wealthy person, or government official is surrounded by a security detail, and shootings occur daily.

    The irony is increased, when one recalls the number of times one has heard the line 'gun ownership protects against government tyranny'.

    Well this is what happens when an individual takes the phrase 'sic semper tyrannis' to heart, which happens to be part of the Virginia state seal...

  • military mom Herriman, UT
    June 15, 2017 7:14 a.m.

    @patriot
    Were you similarly outraged a few weeks ago when a hate-spewing white supremacist murdered two good Samaritans aboard a train in Portland? Did you voice your revulsion regarding the racist, vulgar diatribes published by numerous right-wing outlets (including Breitbart News) throughout the Obama administration? Were you appalled when the current president fostered hate and prejudice throughout his campaign, even encouraging his minions to beat up those who disagreed with him? Let's be honest, hate speech and polarization are not the sole province of any ideology or political party; there is blame enough to go around.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    June 15, 2017 2:11 a.m.

    @patriot

    "This is the end result when a left wing political party"

    I lean left I unequivocally condemn the actions of this individual. However...

    the President, during the campaign, hinted "2nd amendment types" might take care of Hillary Clinton if she won. The newest Republican representative from Montana assaults a reporter election nigt and wins. The Texas governor "jokes" about carrying a paper shooting target "just in case he runs into reporters." A 12 year old black girl is told by a white student that with Trump as president he can take care of her and all other blacks. Students at a Washington School chant "build the wall" to Hispanic classmates. There were 500-plus hate crimes reported by minorities, women, and Muslims in the 1st two weeks after Trump's win. The President's son says Democrats aren't human. Death threats to journalists are on the rise. And, your own posts suggest that every problem in the country is the fault of Democrats and that we’ll all be better off if we stop voting for them.

    So, before you tell me what’s wrong in my house, get your own in order first.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 14, 2017 11:02 p.m.

    From USA TODAY 6-14-2017:

    "The shooting occurred on the same day members of Congress were set to hold a hearing on legislation to deregulate gun silencers."

    That's just great. Imagine how much more catastrophic that shooting might have been if none of those GOP congressmen could have heard the shots.

    Oh, that's right. Their hearing would have been protected. It's actually being called the "Hearing Protection Act". That is absolutely brilliant.

    Guns and violence should never alter the political landscape. But what if those heroic Capitol police officers could not have been able to identify where all those shots were coming from if a "suppressor" had been used?

  • David Centerville, UT
    June 14, 2017 10:17 p.m.

    Gary O,

    Please expound on how healthcare policy would trigger a shooting by a leftist Bernie Sanders supporter, and how such a violent event would be justified.

    I think most people easily understand leftist media, politicians, and entertainers who have intimated at violence towards President Trump and Republicans could share responsibility for todays violence.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 14, 2017 9:35 p.m.

    This is the end result when a left wing political party and their media push HATE for 8 straight months against a president and his supporters. You hear the hate on media TV -- you hear the hate on college campuses -- you hear the hate in Hollywood -- you hear the hate in congress. Hate hate and more hate. Hate lights the fuse of people who are already close to the edge and willing to kill. Hate certainly lit this guys fuse and were it not for the two guns of Capitol Police there would have been about 20 dead senators on that baseball field. Lessons learned? I doubt it.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    June 14, 2017 8:18 p.m.

    I guess my comment was off topic or disruptive.

    However in the context of the article and situation reported my comment was; appropriate, didn't attack anyone and if it was off topic then half of the comments that were approved were off topic.

    63 million people voted for Clinton and one angry individual shot these individuals.

    How is 1 out of 63 million representative of 63 million people?

  • Say No to Trump Payson, UT
    June 14, 2017 6:23 p.m.

    A tragic event!

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 14, 2017 6:06 p.m.

    @Moderate - Salt Lake City, UT
    "Silliest argument of the day is that concealed carry would have "prevented" this."

    Your argument is totally and absurdly wrong.
    The attack by the bad guy with the gun ended when the good guys with guns shot him. If the Capital Police protective detail was not there with Scalise, the killer would not have been interruped by anyone with a gun until cops got there 5-10 minutes later.

    Unless, of course someone there was carrying a legal self defense weapon. As some members of Congress have already noted, they are disarmed by District of Columbia laws, which means they are also disarmed on the way to/from work.

    Permit holders are not a substitute for cops, but one or more armed victims have a much better chance of ending an attack after it starts before the cops arrive.

    Why would anyone want potential victims to be defenseless?

  • JBs Logan, UT
    June 14, 2017 5:26 p.m.

    The comments on this article demonstrate exactly why we have problems and shootings these days. Civility is completely missing, replaced by name-calling, lack of respect, snarkiness, finger-pointing, etc etc etc. At least for today we should try harder.

    God bless the victims, and the heroes who prevented a massacre.

  • Jimbo Low PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    June 14, 2017 4:53 p.m.

    I think it is important to tone down the hate speech coming from our political discussions. If your side is primarily found in riots, destruction of property, shutting down of free speech, angry violence, bombings, shootings....it's time to evaluate your participation in a Free Republic.

  • New to Utah Provo, UT
    June 14, 2017 4:29 p.m.

    Assassination attempt on Republican leadership by Bernie Sanders supporter. Republican Whip Steve Scalise and other Republicans were practicing for a charity baseball game when a Sanders supporter opened fire wounding five. The security detail of Scalise likely prevented a blood bath according to Senator Rand Paul. Sanders condemned the violence.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    June 14, 2017 4:03 p.m.

    On June 23, 2016 at 9:48AM Senator Rand Paul tweeted "Why do we have a Second Amendment? It’s not to shoot deer. It’s to shoot at the government when it becomes tyrannical!”

    He was present at the baseball practice. Wonder if his views have changed?

    In truth, this was not one bit different than the shooting at the San Francisco UPS facility that killed 3, or the shooting at the Charleston church that killed 8, or the nightclub shooting that killed 50 or the 150+ mass shootings this year.

    An angry man - always a man - was able to get a gun and start shooting.

    Since every single mass shooting involves an angry man we must prohibit all gun ownership or possession by men.

    Or, at the very least, require extensive mental health screening before men can have a gun. Very extensive. With reviews every quarter.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 14, 2017 4:03 p.m.

    "But what is the point? If you find that it was a 'deranged leftie' does that somehow paint all Democrats or progressives in the same light? Does that mean that this person is indicative of how Democrats think and feel?"

    Obviously only the shooter is responsible for his actions, and that it is not fair to paint all Democrats/progressives/liberals in the same light. However, if most of these shootings are by "deranged lefties", then couldn't that be an indication of the left's ideology?

    "And since you mentioned Treyvon Martin. Let me ask you. Had Treyvon been the one with a gun, couldn't he have just as easily done the shooting and killing and then claimed Stand Your Ground?

    I see no similarities here."

    I brought up Trayvon Martin and Ferguson because in both cases the media jumped to conclusions, and that was a narrative along the lines of "unarmed black child/man murdered in cold blood". However, as the facts came out we learned that they were killed in justifiable self defense. Not anywhere near how the media made it sound. And to answer your question, if ZImmerman was attacking Martin and trying to kill him, then yes he could have.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2017 3:42 p.m.

    @lost in DC
    "because the crime happened in
    wait
    wait
    wait
    DC!"

    No. It didn't. The crime happened in Alexandria, Virginia. Just because it's a Congressional baseball team practice does not mean it was in D.C.

    @sanefan
    "Those areas of Maryland and Va follow all the same guidelines, laws and liberal beliefs about gun and self protection. "

    Proximity of states does not mean they follow all the same guidelines. They're different jurisdictions, they might have somewhat similar guidelines and laws and liberal beliefs but they won't be the exact same.

  • AzPete Mesa, AZ
    June 14, 2017 3:43 p.m.

    @Utah Girl - "How absurd is our culture if no one can attend an office Christmas party, a Bible study, a college class, a concert, or visit a nightclub without packing a gun?
    How absurd is it to play a softball game with one's office colleagues and have to strap on a weapon? Is that going to be the norm from now on?
    Doing any of those things should never make anyone "vulnerable"."

    You are absolutely right! It would be nice if we could all live in Mayberry. But unfortunately we don't and because of that, we must be prepared for where ever we live.
    Our society has deteriorated to the point there is no respect for other people or their ideas. The concept of being able to disagree without being disagreeable has vanished.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2017 3:34 p.m.

    Silliest argument of the day is that concealed carry would have "prevented" this.

    The shooter has the first shot.
    The shooter has the advantage.
    The shooter has already picked his targets.
    With armed police on site, the shooter hit 5 people.

    Concealed carry would have prevented this?
    You'd be dead with your gun still in the holster.

  • military mom Herriman, UT
    June 14, 2017 2:38 p.m.

    President Trump has continually stated that his first priority is keeping Americans safe, hence his issuing and defending the travel ban(s) which continue to be litigated. Since his election, no American has been killed or injured by any person from any of the countries included in the ban, and American vetting procedures seem to working quite well. My question is, what efforts has the Trump administration taken to protect Americans from their fellow citizens? I looked up statistics on the number of citizens killed or injured due to gun violence just since Trump's inauguration, and I quit counting at 350, and the total certainly does not include the victims of today's violence or those affected by the recent shootings in Sandy, San Francisco, and Orlando. While some of these incidents were certainly related to criminal activity, many were not and were perpetrated by citizens with no previous criminal records. Gun violence in the U.S. has reached epidemic proportions; this problem deserves at least as much attention as imposing a travel ban.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    June 14, 2017 2:24 p.m.

    More importantly, this is not about the shooter, in regards to the post about guns or "good guys with a gun." We know criminals don't obey the laws. It's why they are called criminals. We also know that an unarmed citizen cannot defend themselves against violent criminals. There are States, typically dominated by liberal anti gun Democratic governments that prevent or make it nearly impossible to get a concealed carry permit. It doesn't take a lot of brain power to see the problem here.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    June 14, 2017 2:04 p.m.

    Frozen, thank you for making my point. The area were this occurred is part of the DC/Metropolitan area, Those areas of Maryland and Va follow all the same guidelines, laws and liberal beliefs about gun and self protection. And that he was from Illinois which also has some of the strictest, if not the strictest gun laws in the US amplifies my point. Follow that by the Governor of VA focusing on "too many" guns and my point and argument are right on. The question still remains, "so how do these laws prevent such incidents/" They don't and never will and is why one Sheriff in FL is calling on those who live in his jurisdiction to become able to defend themselves. Case Closed.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 14, 2017 2:02 p.m.

    Hey David -

    RE: "Do media personalities who joke about killing the president, or having a severed head of the president, share any responsibility for this shooting?"

    Gosh, I don't know,

    Do Republican Politicians who want to take health care away from millions of people share any responsibility for the shooting?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    June 14, 2017 1:59 p.m.

    "Suddenly the left wants us to not jump to conclusions?"

    RivCoug, Feel free to jump anywhere you want.

    But what is the point? If you find that it was a "deranged leftie" does that somehow paint all Democrats or progressives in the same light? Does that mean that this person is indicative of how Democrats think and feel?

    Both sides love to take the dregs of the other side and make them out to be the mainstream.

    And since you mentioned Treyvon Martin. Let me ask you. Had Treyvon been the one with a gun, couldn't he have just as easily done the shooting and killing and then claimed Stand Your Ground?

    I see no similarities here.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 14, 2017 1:55 p.m.

    frozen

    Why would anyone expect DC's gun laws to prevent this?

    because the crime happened in

    wait

    wait

    wait

    DC!

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    June 14, 2017 1:22 p.m.

    President Trumps and Bernie Sanders statement about this shoting strike the right cord. It's unfortunate that some are choosing to use this as another excuse to be a part of the problem not the solution.

    @vermontor
    I see your point and agree with much of what you said. I think we need to send a clear message to people like this that violance is never acceptable and I was happy to see the presidents and sanders statements to that effect.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 14, 2017 1:14 p.m.

    Wait, wait, wait...

    Suddenly the left wants us to not jump to conclusions? After Trayvon Martin and Ferguson ("Hands up, don't shoot!"), suddenly they now care about learning all the facts before we jump to conclusions.

    Speaking of facts, the one brought up by barfolomew is very telling:

    "Rep. Ron DeSantis, R-Fla., told Fox News he left just before the shooting. As he walked to his car, a man asked DeSantis if it was Republicans or Democrats practicing. About 3 minutes later, at around 7:15 a.m., the shooting began, DeSantis said."

    -------

    @ Utah Girl Chronicles

    Thank goodness a good guy here had a gun, otherwise we'd be hearing "If only those at the softball field had guns ...". Fortunately, due to those with guns the only fatality was the gunman.

  • David Centerville, UT
    June 14, 2017 12:41 p.m.

    Do media personalities who joke about killing the president, or having a severed head of the president, share any responsibility for this shooting?

    When Jason Chaffetz held the town hall meeting in Utah where large crowds shouted over him, there were reports of men in masks in the parking lot looking for Chaffetz' car. Liberal posters on this site mocked such reports, stating they were fabricated lies.

    Liberals have taken their opposition to Trump's election too far. It shows today.

    Shame on the Left!

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    June 14, 2017 12:38 p.m.

    Utah Girls Chronicles,
    " . . . . Doing any of those things should never make anyone "vulnerable". That only happens in a gun-crazed society."
    ____________________
    I agree and we need to face reality. We’re not likely to ever solve the problem of gun violence in a society that loves and worships firearms as much as Americans do. The Second Amendment is our heritage, our right, and our unique American burden. For too many Americans, gun ownership is an integral part of their identity, their ego, their self-esteem.

  • barfolomew TOOELE, UT
    June 14, 2017 12:36 p.m.

    @ Craig Clark

    "Gun violence is a pervasive problem that we have been unable to handle in this country. Honestly acknowledging that at a time like this is not being political. It's merely stating the obvious and I don't care if some people don't like to hear it."

    First, you have to qualify your statement. It depends on how you define "gun violence." Is it the violence perpetrated by criminals or do you mean all gun owners? Almost without exception, these "shooters" are in possession of their guns illegally even before they pull the trigger.

    Now, honestly (the operative word, here) acknowledging that we have a problem with criminals with guns at a time like this certainly is appropriate. But, using these incidents - as the left tends to do - to promote the agenda of gun control IS being political. And the simple reason that those like myself who believe in the Second Amendment "don't like to hear it" is because it's all just a bunch of lies used to push some kind of feel-good" ideology.

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    June 14, 2017 12:29 p.m.

    @Tolstoy. @Nickeson.
    It is highly improper for anyone in free democratic societies to advocate violence in support of their political agendas.

    Trump may have crossed the line at times. But Tim Kaine did similarly by encouraging his supporters to "fight in the streets." Crossing the threshold to incitement depends on how their audience reacts.

    But let's try and focus on the actual crime, who committed it, and what his motivation was, and if anyone else was involved.

    Let's not let the hyper-partisanship of the moment override the concept that we should be tolerant of and care for each other's welfare.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 14, 2017 12:15 p.m.

    The point is if "where was the good guy with a gun?" angers anyone, it's time to examine the absurdity of Wayne LaPierre's comment.

    How absurd is our culture if no one can attend an office Christmas party, a Bible study, a college class, a concert, or visit a nightclub without packing a gun?

    How absurd is it to play a softball game with one's office colleagues and have to strap on a weapon? Is that going to be the norm from now on?

    Doing any of those things should never make anyone "vulnerable".

    That only happens in a gun-crazed society. When anyone embraces that absurd Wayne LaPierre NRA mantra, it's easy to shoot holes through it.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2017 11:49 a.m.

    @Sanefan
    "The appropriate question would be, so how did DC's strict gun laws prevent this senseless shooting? The answer, they didn't and won't, gun laws don't apply to criminals."

    Why would anyone expect DC's gun laws to prevent this? The guy is from Illinois and the shooting was in Virginia.

  • AzPete Mesa, AZ
    June 14, 2017 11:24 a.m.

    @unrepentant progressive - "Assault weapons have no place in America. Period."

    Please define "assault weapons" - Specifically what weapons are you referring to?

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    June 14, 2017 11:23 a.m.

    Gun violence is a pervasive problem that we have been unable to handle in this country. Honestly acknowledging that at a time like this is not being political. It's merely stating the obvious and I don't care if some people don't like to hear it.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    June 14, 2017 11:11 a.m.

    @Nickeson
    I don't necessarily disagree but you do realize that list would have to include Trump and many others on "the right" as well?

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    June 14, 2017 10:55 a.m.

    unrepentant and the rest of the denying liberals

    the shooter had anti-trump and anti-GOP pictures on his facebook page. There are news photos of him carrying signs protesting the GOP, demanding higher taxes on the rich. He volunteered for the Sanders campaign. (source - Yahoo)

    so unlike the Gabby Giffords shooter, who had no political agenda - was just insane - this shooter was politically motivated. A leftie who hated the right enough to start shooting at them.

    Nickeson
    you can add maher, behar, msnbc, sorors, and the AP to your list

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    June 14, 2017 10:53 a.m.

    'After the baseball practice shooting, it is time to file appropriate charges of inciting violence against public figures promoting violence such as: Madonna, Kathy Griffin,Snoop Dog,the recent Washington play, the parties encouraging violent protests at gov. public meetings and those paying violent protesters."
    It might be important to include the guy who made the comment about the second amendment people taking care of Hillary in your list of those who promote violence. Or the one who admonished the goons in his crowd to pound the xxx out of protesters; he'd cover the legal costs.
    And, are any of those violent protester jobs still available? How much do they pay, do you know? Maybe trump is right, he's creating jobs...

  • barfolomew TOOELE, UT
    June 14, 2017 10:48 a.m.

    @ unrepentant progressive

    "Conservatives

    What part of jumping to conclusions so early do you not understand?"

    Holy cow! A liberal lecturing conservatives about, "jumping to conclusions so early"!!

    Maybe this was a Russian spy sent by Vladimir Putin to take out the congressional conservative double agents before they could spill the beans on his involvement in the Trump-Putin conspiracy to make the USA part of the imperialistic Russian Empire.

    An unidentified source told me that, so it must be true.

    Another unnamed source told me that they witnessed Scalise standing on second base with his hands up yelling, "don't shoot!"

    And yet another source who spoke on the condition of anonymity confirmed that Attorney General Jeff Sessions met with the shooter at a hotel event in Washington D.C.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2017 10:42 a.m.

    There's nothing wrong with political disagreement or peaceful protesting but violence is completely unacceptable. I have no idea what this disgraceful person was thinking when he did this but if he thinks he's some sort of hero he's wrong. He's a terrorist and the lowest of the low.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    June 14, 2017 10:34 a.m.

    @ utah Girl
    Unfortunately, your comment belies the liberal mantra and misinformation about guns. DC has the strictest gun laws in the country. It is nearly impossible to get a concealed carry permit there. I know. This is a perfect example of how when law abiding citizens are prevented from defending themselves the criminals will still have guns. The appropriate question would be, so how did DC's strict gun laws prevent this senseless shooting? The answer, they didn't and won't, gun laws don't apply to criminals.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    June 14, 2017 10:17 a.m.

    A few things that can be brought away from this incident.

    First UGC is your right, "where were the good guys with guns." A back handed attempt at deriding a policy of gun ownership. Are we to the point that we do need to be armed all the time?

    Second, given the DC areas strict gun control laws you would think that these people at an event would be safe.

    Third, it is true gun control laws do not work, both guns used by the shooter, were illegal, for him to have in his possession in the DC region.

    And finally, crooks, terrorists, and killers do not follow the rules.

    Now let us discuss how this Bernie Sanders supporter got radicalized enough to carry out an assassination attempt.

  • Mick , 00
    June 14, 2017 10:00 a.m.

    Wow do opinions change when the shoe is on the other foot. When Rep. Giffords was shot, the tea party was excoriated, even though there was no link. Now leftist commenters on this thread want calm and is not to jump to conclusions.

    I agree. Let's not jump to conclusions, but don't be hypocritical.

    Utah Girl- thank goodness for those there with guns. They distracted the gunman enough that there wasn't a mass killing. Had the security detail not been there, there may have been multiple deaths. Your arguments against guns with this recent example are ridiculous at best.

  • Nickeson Bicknell, UT
    June 14, 2017 9:37 a.m.

    After the baseball practice shooting, it is time to file appropriate charges of inciting violence against public figures promoting violence such as: Madonna, Kathy Griffin,Snoop Dog,the recent Washington play, the parties encouraging violent protests at gov. public meetings and those paying violent protesters.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    June 14, 2017 9:35 a.m.

    @Utah Girl: "The first thing Congress did once Trump took office was rush into session and pass legislation to make sure people with diagnosed mental illness could purchase guns."

    Benghazi was caused by a YouTube video and if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.

    What's truly terrifying is that leftists actually believe these things.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    June 14, 2017 9:33 a.m.

    Scary situation. Those trying to turn this into a left versus right thing would do well to remember that extremist groups on both sides have recently committed several violent and deadly crimes. Perhaps both sides should work to tone down the rhetoric and work to stop extremist that commit such crimes rather then use these crimes to further fuel the fire that helps create them.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    June 14, 2017 9:28 a.m.

    In the rush to assign a political party to the shooter and to advance their gun agendas, almost every poster today has forgotten to do what they are supposed to do first.
    ---I hope that the Congressman who was struck leaves the hospital soon and that all involved are safe with their families and are able to recover from this nightmare. Like all good Americans I condemn this pathetic method of lashing out. We live in troubling times and the problems we face as a nation are not solved by bizarre, violent outbursts--but by coming together to face difficulties that threaten every single one of us. If we make our nation a gun toting, revenge seeking, prison yard--we have no one to blame but ourselves.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 14, 2017 9:20 a.m.

    Gun violence is always tragic, senseless, and horrifying.

    But how many times have there been mass shootings and the immediate NRA mandated response is always, "If only those victims had a gun, they probably would not have been victims"?

    After the school shooting at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, OR Donald Trump said, "Let me tell you, if you had a couple teachers with guns in that room, you would have been a lot better off."

    We have heard other such comments in the past:

    "If only those people at their office Christmas party had guns ..." (San Bernardino)

    "If only those people at their church Bible study had guns ..." (Charleston)

    "If only those people at that concert had guns ..." (Paris)

    "If only those people at that nightclub had guns ..." (Orlando)

    Couldn't it be said if that Congressman standing at second base had a Glock strapped to his hip, he could have identified the shooter and taken him out?

    Isn't that the standard NRA defense?

    The first thing Congress did once Trump took office was rush into session and pass legislation to make sure people with diagnosed mental illness could purchase guns.
    How intelligent was that?

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    June 14, 2017 9:08 a.m.

    Conservatives

    What part of jumping to conclusions so early do you not understand?

    We know nothing for sure but that a middle aged white guy from Illinois used semi-automatic weapon to shoot some Congressmen and their aides. And that policemen on the scene to protect one of the Congressmen disabled the shooter.

    That is all. Stop jumping to conclusions of any sort. Wait for all to come out.

  • Moderate Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2017 9:02 a.m.

    President Reagan was shot by a man trying to impress a movie actress.
    Not everything is politically motivated. Not everything is about Trump.
    A lot of comments claiming to know things before the facts are out.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    June 14, 2017 8:42 a.m.

    Does Utah Girl Chronicles, and those who 'like' her comment,not understand that two cops with guns shot the aggressor. The presence of good guys with guns (cops in this case) prevented what would very likely have been a bloodbath by the initiator.

    So, Utah Girl Chronicles, the good guys with guns were there. thankfully, and stopped the problem. Your comment is simply uninformed.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    June 14, 2017 8:35 a.m.

    What would the reaction of Utahans be if a shooter walked into general conference and began shooting LDS leaders and members? American's passion with guns and our insecurities around our safety has helped create a very violent society. What happened in Virginia this morning has become common place in America but the irony here is many of the victims are the same ones that support Americans rights to violent weapons that have nothing to do with hunting or public safety.

  • barfolomew TOOELE, UT
    June 14, 2017 8:23 a.m.

    @ unresponsive progressive

    "Gun violence is not a political issue."

    It sure is when the assailant uses the weapon to act out his ideology and invoke some sort of political outcome.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    June 14, 2017 8:24 a.m.

    The political leanings of the shooter are not at issue here. We have wacko's on both sides of the isle that do not represent the party.

    Left or right, no one would condone this violence.

    Lets all condemn the shooter and stop trying to score partisan points with this tragedy.

    Geez people.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    June 14, 2017 8:16 a.m.

    Talk about jumping to conclusions.

    Already, the right accusing the left of violence against our elected leaders. Maybe, maybe not.

    Gun violence is not a political issue. It is a human issue. Assault weapons have no place in America. Period. Regardless of the voting record of the assailant.

  • barfolomew TOOELE, UT
    June 14, 2017 8:00 a.m.

    What the AP doesn't tell you:

    "Rep. Ron DeSantis, R-Fla., told Fox News he left just before the shooting. As he walked to his car, a man asked DeSantis if it was Republicans or Democrats practicing. About 3 minutes later, at around 7:15 a.m., the shooting began, DeSantis said."

  • Vermonter Plymouth, MI
    June 14, 2017 7:56 a.m.

    @conrad.
    Before we start going around the room blaming a lot of different people that had nothing to do with this, how about we hold the shooter and any knowing accomplices responsible for their actions?

    If you don't like your member of congress or senators, convince your neighbors you need somebody new, and get new representatives. That is the way democracy works. This morning's event is entirely unacceptable in free democratic societies.

  • ConservativeUtahisBest Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2017 7:44 a.m.

    @utah Girl Chronicles

    I guess you missed the point where without the security around Rep Scalise it would of been much much worse. The security had guns and were able to disable the gunman and take him into custody before he was able to get too many shots off.

  • Mick , 00
    June 14, 2017 7:42 a.m.

    Utah girl-

    They returned fire and shot the shooter so more people weren't hurt or killed.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    June 14, 2017 7:35 a.m.

    This is a sad day. I hope Rep Scalise will be okay.

    @byu alum What has this got to do with the travel ban?

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    June 14, 2017 7:13 a.m.

    Within 20 minutes of the Gabriella Giffords shooting the finger-pointing began.

    What wild conspiracy theories will come of this?

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 14, 2017 6:59 a.m.

    Where was the good guy with a gun?