Salt Shaker, did we read the same article? Nowhere in this article did Harmon
address gang affiliation, crime rate, or anything of the kind. He didn't
say that Hernandez's father died because of gang affiliation, but from
Hernia surgery. The quote from his mother said he had problems after his dad
died. Didn't say what, problems he had. Go back and re-read
the article.Hernandez obviously had problems.
This article is one of the most insensitive pieces of writing I’ve ever
read. These two men grew up in different places, raised by different people,
attended different schools, coached by different coaches - the only thing that
strings these two men together is they both played football in both college and
the NFL. Arron Hernandez grew up in Bristol, CT, one of the safest cities in the
county, only having 21.44 crimes/1000 people, whereas, Fresno, CA, where Pitta
grew up has a daunting crime rate of 48.42 crimes/1000 people. To claim that
Hernandez grew up in a marginalized and crime saturated area is nonsense.
Aaron’s father past away from surgery complications and not because of
gang affiliated actions. Let’s not act like his father has everything to
do with this. Yes, it is sad that he passed away when Aaron was so young, but
maybe Aaron needed help with coping with the loss of his father? Maybe, just
maybe, we could use this as an example of how younger people need help when it
comes to mental health. Hernandez could have been battling a number of mental
health issues after dealing with the death of his father.
Great article, good comparison. Many valuable lessons here.The main one is
that at the top football schools the tendency is to ignore poor / illegal
Behavior in order to win. At BYU the athletes, come first and winning football
games takes a backseat to helping young men become their best possible selves.
What parents would not want to see their kids go to BYU
@kkayel ...maybe you're a bit too quick to jump to the racism conclusion.
To me it seems obvious that Dick is simply trying to draw another similarity
between the two. Hernandez had ties to Puerto Rico, Pitta served a mission to
the Dominican Republic. Just like their stats...2 countries right next to each
This is a ridiculous article. In summary, Pitta good, BYU great. Hernandez bad,
Florida worst. Hope there is a follow up article Tebow good, Florida great. Max
Hall bad, BYU horrible.
@ bleedcougarblue "Hernandez the better TE in college?"He
played against much tougher competition. Not Pitta's fault; he's very
good despite MWC-level competition.
gdog3finally & xertNot interested in ice hockey, not interested
in Alabama. I AM interested in all things BYU football, in most
BYU sports personalities, in U of U sports personalities that have gone on to do
good things. To many of us, xert, you're right. And the DN
is my best source for that. gdog3finally, you're right too.
I wish many of my fellow fans were less sensitive, less niaive, and less prone
to visiting the Utah side with smack talk. But they're my fellow fans and
we are united in feeling something different for our cougars than I really think
any other fans can feel. It's the Deseret News. It IS the
only place we'll get an article like this, and WE are the only fans that
will really appreciate it for what it is.
@ xert - Santa Monica, CA - April 20, 2017 7:15 a.m. - "Nothing is really
sports news until it's contrasted or related to something involving BYU
football or Jimmer Fredette, is it?"The article's
comparisons to the 2 were spot on: similar positions (TE), productive college
years for both, similar physical measurements, similar year drafted, somewhat
similar success in the NFL, etc.So, the article is totally
Article quote: "College career-wise, Pitta amassed 221 catches for 2,901
yards. Hernandez had 111 catches for 1,382 yards."Hernandez the
better TE in college?Get real.Just another snub in the
long history of snubs against BYU. Yes, really.
Okay, now that I made my point about the silly foundation for this article, I
will say that Dennis Pitta has an impressive football story. His college and NFL
career has been an inspiring journey. Speaking for myself, I think football
would be in my rearview mirror after two dislocated hip surgeries. Pitta has
shown resilience and toughness. He could have taken the money and ran with it I
suppose. He is earning his keep, restoring his professional career and putting
I really don't think this was a TE comparison more than a statement that
decisions matter.This was the lesson in my reading of the article...
I think it was written using someone familiar to a lot of us. It
wasn't a BYU - UTAH article, it wasn't an ethnic bias article... Just
a message that decisions matter using a few people we are all familiar with.
Wouldn't read any more into it that that. Another message from
the article, is be there for your children.... and Father's, while you have
children, "be there at the cross roads of their lives." It makes a
difference. But, I guess we read into things we want to.
@xertWell said. I wish a certain number of BYU fans would stop taking
offense where none is needed. Sure, there are antagonists that enter these
forums. But if these relative Cougar fans can't see how meaningless this
article is despite Dennis Pitta being a good guy and all, then I think they will
remain the ones whocompare negative sports stories to fairy tale greatness
at BYU. That said, I don't know how many fit this description, but I am
still surprised at those who allow themselves to be pandered to by these
articles. I quote xert; "nothing is really sports news until it's
contrasted or related to something involving BYU football or Jimmer Fredette, is
What are weird article. Why on earth would you compare the tragedy that is Aaron
Hernandez with Dennis pitta? I can al but guarantee you that if Dennis were to
read this article he would be shaking his head with disgust. I think
it's sad to tie a former BYU player to this tragedy simply to get a few
more clicks. Time to really raise your standards and not look for cheap shots to
get clicks. Please take this article down, you should be better than
Just a quick Journalism 101 note ... I’m sure it wasn’t intentional,
but it’s actually ‘lurking racism’ to cite that Aaron
Hernandez is Italian and Puerto Rican when it has no bearing on his behavior or
the story. The implication is that Aaron Hernandez's ethnicity is one of
the reasons why he lived a horrible life vs. Dennis Pitta who is of Caucasian
descent and therefore has lived a good life and is lovely and of good report.
"It wasn't until the 6th comment that the anti-BYU bitterness reared
its head. Impressive indeed."Quite. Let's see if the author
of that little gem can wait as long to post his usual snark on Utah articles.
Dennis Pitta and about 350 million other Americans made better choices than
DEW cougars: Urban Meyer was at Florida from 2005 to 2010, so he was the coach
of Hernandez. Meyer may have gone to hospital for exhaustion for a week
around 2009 once BAMA beat him and Tebow in SEC title game.
I'm impressed. It wasn't until the 6th comment that the anti-BYU
bitterness reared its head. Impressive indeed.
I don't understand why comparing Dennis Pitta to Aaron Hernandez? Sure they
were TE's at the same time. Okay, how about this, Steve Young should have
won the Heisman over Neb. Mike Rozier because Mike hired an agent before his
college days were over. I know sound stupid talk. How about this, mostly from
both BYU & Utah are good guys and has done well in pro sports than most kids
from Florida and few other big time P5. Which is TRUE! December 2009 Urban Meyer
was on a leave of absent. You wondered if Urban was trying to be like a father
for Aaron Hernandez but something went bad. Aaron should have been booked early
like before getting in college or rather than keeping him on the roster just
like Jameis Winston at Florida State. USC Reggie Bush parents were getting free
housing and travel to all his games and yes his Heisman was stripped but or and
USC did the right thing to kick off that one kid for criminal history on women.
Many big time football are letting things go wild and those big time coaches
want to win. Big time sports are more and more not so worth watching anymore.
All they care is money and greeds.
A VERY good article! And lessons for us all, too! Thanks! Indeed, Fathers
ARE a crucial part in the life of the children, just as Mothers are.
Aaron Hernandez was a train wreck ready to happen. The NFL rates all draft picks
on a social scale using criteria like drug usage, past criminal behavior, use of
alcohol, interaction with the community, positively or negatively, gang
participation, home life, etc. Aaron Hernandez scored a 1 our of 10. He was a
@xert Plenty of other sports sites where BYU isn't focused on.
Nothing is really sports news until it's contrasted or related to something
involving BYU football or Jimmer Fredette, is it?
I admire Dennis Pitta very much. He has done great things with his life and
performed well. Another contrast story not told is the struggle of Dennis'
brother-in-law, Max Hall, who was the one who encouraged Pitta to walk-on at BYU
as an unknown. Max was the darling and efficient QB at BYU. Both excelled
admirably at the college level and were expected to succeed at the professional
level.Max became severely injured in the NFL, got hooked on
prescription drugs, and quietly descended into that bitter battle and struggle
that became, oh so public. Now, rising above it, Max Hall has come back in his
personal and professional life (HS football). Max's paycheck is
substantially less than his brother-in-law's. Both men are to be admired
for their courage and determination. I often wonder what their conversations are
like about football at family gatherings.
Hernandez was at Florida when the team had 46 arrests, way ahead of second place
Washington State's 35. Urban Meyer wasn't going to take action
against a player if doing so might hurt the team overall. That was possibly
Hernandez's last chance to be taught about boundres and discipline. Soon he
would be off to New England millions in salary He grew up in a gang dominated
part of town, with friends who were also gang members. In Boston he had a big
house, downtown man-cave apartment and nice cars, yet he was still involved in
gangs.A big difference between he and Denniis Pitta was self-expectation.
Dennis had goals, he expected to earn a degree and get good grades and he did.
I recall sitting in the crowd in Ft Collins when BYU played CSU. The Cougar
defense was pretty bad, Max wasn't having a good game, tossing a pick-6,
where no BYU WR was within 15 yards. Pitta keep BYU in the game by making
incredible catches deep in the middle of the field in triple coverage. He
refused to let his team lose.
I think you're spot on about Denis Pita a very nice and great man.the fact that Urban Myers was mentioned in this case is very interesting Unfortunately he in my opinion could have made the situation worse instead of
decapling he just showed that there are no consequences.I think if
this is what has ruined college and probably pro sports Glad to live
in a sate ware college coach's are not afraid to deal with players by
showing there are consequences for your actions!!
The influence of fathers is so under appreciated, and I question that not having
his father was the sole reason for Hernandez's troubles, but there is no
doubt it would have helped. I would suggest that it is also
important to have good rules to live by, and good friends and associates to help
anyone go straight. With that said, would it be appropriate to acknowledge that
Pita went to BYU (with its honor code) and went on a mission (with its
accompanying standards of conduct). He attended church, where people
aren't perfect, but they go there in an effort to work toward perfection.
"For all sad words of tongue and pen, The saddest are these, 'It might
have been'."John Greenleaf Whittier