Letter: Lack of empathy

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  • Crusader Layton, UT
    May 20, 2017 7:49 a.m.

    Once you understand that the Earth is in control of the Earth, and that the gods were created by man, it puts personal responsibility on yourself.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    May 18, 2017 11:07 a.m.

    Once you understand who is in control of the earth, and what you have to do to be a child of God, it puts personal responsibility on yourself.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    May 17, 2017 11:17 p.m.

    Someone wrotr
    -We also know that Jesus never would force somebody to care for another person. The scriptures also show us that Jesus didn't tell people to set up a government system to take from the wealthy to give to the poor-
    Really? In those times in a small nation, He could convince the rich to help the poor, and call those who would not do so to account. I don't believe that He was silent about those who were thinking only of themselves.
    Today, He is not available to tell our millions of rich folks in person to do what is right --- but our elected representatives should make sure His way is followed. It is the way that any religion or any good people know is right

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    May 17, 2017 1:33 p.m.

    To "Whatever" you obviously have not read the Bible.

    In 1 Timothy 5:8 it states "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel"

    So, according to the scriptures, you are to provide for your family. I don't see any exception for healthcare or other similar thing. It is quite clear that YOU should provide what is needed and not the Government.

    No you tell me where any scripture says to go to the government and force others to take care of you.

  • Whatever Springville, UT
    May 17, 2017 12:44 p.m.

    @RedShirt " what amazes me is how people use Jesus as an example without understanding Jesus."

    Of course, because as we all know, only conservatives can really understand Jesus.

    I guess if poor people could just die faster, you and your ilk will be able to get on pretending that you and your amazing hard work built this country, and poor people are only poor because they are lazy, terrible people so they don't deserve health care anyway.

    What's really sad is that this letter was expressly written for people like you and your ilk and you don't even see it.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    May 17, 2017 11:56 a.m.

    To "Bob K" what amazes me is how people use Jesus as an example without understanding Jesus.

    You ask what would Jesus do. He would do what we saw him do many times. He would personally take care of that person. Jesus would never tell a disciple or anybody else to care for a needy person when he could do so himself. We also know that Jesus never would force somebody to care for another person. The scriptures also show us that Jesus didn't tell people to set up a government system to take from the wealthy to give to the poor.

    What it comes down to is that you are to care for your family and provide them with the things they need, such as food, clothing, housing, and healthcare. If you want I can provide scripture references.

  • Bob K Davis, CA
    May 16, 2017 11:35 p.m.

    Someone here knocked the dems for celebrating the ACA, saying that excuses the repubs from celebrating their repeal bill.
    Sir, did you ever hear of Robin Hood? It seems nicer to take from the rich and give to the poor that to tell the poor they deserve to die while adding to the pockets of those whose money keeps you in office.
    I am continually amazed at folks who comment on this site, which belongs to the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter Day Saints, without seeming to have stopped to ask "What would Jesus do?" As I understand it, He would not be too happy to give the rich huge tax breaks while hurting those less powerful.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    May 16, 2017 1:29 p.m.

    I gotta love how the liberals mess up things like the economy and health insurance, then blame everybody else for their failures. Come on liberals, man up.

    To "Tad Taylor" since when does health insurance equal health care? Prior to the ACA the poor were cared for, and in fact we did a better job caring for the poor in the US than countries like Canada did caring for their population.

    What I want to understand from your ilk is why they thought making insurance more expensive was a good idea?

    To "Laura Bilington" if we are in the same private insurance pool, were you forced to join that insurance pool or did you choose to do so? That is what your ilk misses, the idea of allowing people to choose for themselves.

    Why do you want to force me to care for the poor you don't want to care for?

    To "ugottabkidn" actually you have not been forced to contribute to the infrastructure. Roads are built using gas taxes, which are voluntary. The same with many other taxes on power, water, phones, and other similar items. As for education, I agree that we should defund that. Public schools are little more than "free" daycare.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 16, 2017 1:04 p.m.

    Shaun
    ins. cos won big under ACA –millions of new customers were forced to buy their products. The exchanges did not work out as well, but the ACA was a giant lift

    Laura
    No one could be turned away from care pre-ACA, bus owners had the option of purchasing ins pre-ACA, no one died needlessly

    didn't say we needed a pool of younger workers. they don’t make as much, but grow into seasoned workers, and if educated, will make much more and contribute more to the economy. Mexican refugees generally make considerably less than the population at large, and middle eastern refugees generally take a long time to transition. The cost of screening either group, but especially the latter is prohibitive if looking purely for an economic boost

    Lia
    Lining the pockets of insurance companies – describes ACA

    Frozen
    ACA did not fail because states opted out of Medicaid expansion, it failed because it is too costly

    Uggota
    Nothing to be ashamed of. I pay my taxes, my insurance premiums, my deductibles and co-pays. My taxes also pay for your street, your water

    Tell you what, tie subsidies, etc. associated with the ACA to lifestyles, allow insurers to price for risky behaviors, then we can talk

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    May 16, 2017 12:32 p.m.

    It is just amazing at the number of diehard conservatives who are enjoying medicaid healthcare insurance.

    OH how they hate Obama but love that government assistance.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    May 16, 2017 11:01 a.m.

    Lost, you have no shame. Why was I forced to contribute to your education or the infrastructure that directly benefits you? I don't drive on your street, drink from your tap or flush your toilet. It is very sad that an otherwise intelligent person cannot see that good health of your neighbors benefits you directly. Someday, you, your spouse, or someone else you love will be in need of some sort of major medical care but remember it will be the others insured by your insurer that will be paying the majority of your bill whether be Blue Cross or Medicare. You do not live in a vacuum, you did not achieve your successes by yourself. You probably are insured through your employer, do you really think you are paying for all your needs? If you want to pay less for quality healthcare then expand the pools since you people aren't interested in stopping the vulturism.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2017 10:38 a.m.

    @2bits
    Except that Democrats had no interest in Obamacare failing. The court made it so states could opt out of the Medicaid expansion which caused a problem. Dems would've liked to do something to fix that hole in states like Utah but the GOP House and later also the Senate were never interested in helping fix any problems with the ACA.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 16, 2017 8:59 a.m.

    ACA was designed to fail. It was intended to fail. That's what Democrats wanted. For insurance to get so expensive and Americans so angry with their insurance that they would BEG for the Government to take over.

    That was ObamaCare's goal. But Progressives knew they couldn't get that result in 8 years. That's why the most painful parts were slated to go into affect AFTER Obama was out of office (and the next President had to deal with that fallout and collapse of the system).

    I think they assumed it would be another Democrat (Hillary Clinton) and she would be there to carry the torch and take the next step, and provide the government solution they all wanted in the beginning... Single Payer Government provided insurance (AKA Medicare for all ).

    That's what Obama said was his actual goal during his first campaign (Single Payer system). But he acknowledged it would take about 10 years for people to become so frustrated they would be ready for a government takeover of their health insurance. But that was the actual long term goal he expressed to campaign donors during the campaign. You can watch the speech on YouTube.

    Trump ruined their plan.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    May 16, 2017 8:53 a.m.

    This isn't for one second about health care.,...it's about lining the pockets of the insurance companies.
    I laugh because the average Trump supporter couldn't afford a sandwich and club soda at one of his properties...

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    May 16, 2017 8:49 a.m.

    They should all be made to purchase out-of-pocket the insurance plan they saddle all of us with.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    May 16, 2017 6:30 a.m.

    I do miss GW Bush's "compassionate conservatism". It seems the GOP have turned to outright greed with blatant massive cuts for the poor and massive tax cuts for the wealthy spinning off as plans with greater choice. Would you like to be in the high risk pool ? Would you like the plan with no maternity ? how about no mental health? The no pre existing plan? Can I give you a side of a small subsidy with an extra large deductible with that?

    No, that is not what people were promised or wanted when the GOP were running.

    I believe most people in this country would like to pay for their own health insurance and care....if they could afford it. In a year or two my health insurance will be larger than our 15 year mortgage.

    The Kaiser foundation reported that Americans that feel its very difficult to afford health insurance went from 25% in 2015 to 37% in 2017. At that rate in not too many years over half of Americans will feel affording insurance. They will see elsewhere in the world people pay half as much and will move in that direction.

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    May 16, 2017 4:16 a.m.

    Under an insurance plan the participants pay into a pool of money that is used to pay for that which MAY occur. ACA is not insurance because it forces coverage for per-existing conditions and expenses that WILL occur. Because of that the premiums go up. They attempted to cover the shortfall by requiring young people who are least likely to need coverage to pay for coverage they may not need, including requiring a portion of the premium for single young men to go to maternity coverage.

    ACA is a Ponzie scheme for shifting the cost of medical care from those who cannot afford to pay to other people who also cannot afford to pay. While progressives portray it as a gift to the downtrodden it is intended to make everyone below a certain income level become the downtrodden. All Ponzie schemes collapse eventually, as would this one.

    As the R's attempt to fix this mess the D's continue to tell us how uncompassionate the R's are. But there is no compassion shown in ACA to those who lost their doctors and their reasonably-priced coverage.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    May 15, 2017 8:22 p.m.

    @lost in DC - West Jordan, UT wrote,

    "Educating kids contributes more to economic growth than paying welfare Dr. bills. Educated kids are better future sources of tax revenue.

    Educated people are better able to participate in a democracy. Yes, they also make more money and pay additional taxes. But some of them will die needlessly if they don't have health care--say because they ran their own business--and, pre ACA, those pesky preexisting conditions kept them from qualifying for individual policies.

    In 1913 Congress passed a law providing for a federal grant of $100,00 to jobless people in El Paso. This is the sort of welfare that you have decried in previous postings. Does it make a difference that some of that money went to the parents of six year old George Romney? And that it paid for George's food--and medical care? You may recognize the name--he was Mitt's father.

    "Those with no kids should pay HIGHER SS taxes as they produce no future workers to fund SS."

    If having a pool of young workers is important, I can think of no faster way to implement this than admitting more Mexicans and Middle Eastern refugees.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    May 15, 2017 7:14 p.m.

    It is fairly clear republicans do not want to solve the healthcare issues the average person faces. The repeal of the ACA was about the taxes that the more well off paid.

    I am waiting for republicans to implement policies that will foster a free market in healthcare. It is easy to do but republicans will never do it because the healthcare lobby owns them.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    May 15, 2017 6:11 p.m.

    "Constantly demanding someone else pay for your health care is disgusting and without decency."

    Clearly you are unfamiliar with the entire concept of how insurance works.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    May 15, 2017 5:54 p.m.

    But, but, but...Republicans, and their fearless leader are making America great again.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    May 15, 2017 5:23 p.m.

    Welfare fore the rich is always a huge celebration for the GOP. Every advantage the wealthy receive results in a kickback for them.

    Those taxes the rich do not pay are put on the shoulders of working class Americans (reasons to celebrate).

    No pay increases in years, medical premiums increase for employees and cost of living going up (more reasons to celebrate).

    We have Billionaires sitting in government jobs (big reason to party).

    Labor rights degrated, EPA nearly dismantled and women's wages are stagnated all for the sake of the wealthy (party hardy).

    And the tax payers paid for that loud backyard party (drink it up because it is all FREE).

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 15, 2017 3:41 p.m.

    Was there any complaining from these same people when Nancy Pelosi and her entourage celebrated in the streets after passing the ACA?

    She and her entourage were famously captured by the media in photos and videos of them walking down the crowded streets of Washington DC with her carrying her 3 foot 5 pound gavel, hitting her hand and waving it at people. I don't know if she was threatening to hit them if they didn't get out of the way, or if she was just waving it at them saying, "look what I got"!

    But I can assure you Democrats celebrate when they win too. Maybe in different ways (with celebrities, rock concerts, etc) but they do celebrate.

    I don't know that Republicans were celebrating a victory in being able to hurt voters or poor people. Or if they were celebrating getting rid of a law that was killing the budget.

    Getting rid of it was the easier part. Coming up with a good replacement that doesn't make insurance unafordable or kill the budget in the next 10 years is going to be the real challenge. Let's see how they do on that.

    The demolition part of the project is always the easier part. It's the designing and building the new thing that's hard.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 15, 2017 3:24 p.m.

    Laura
    Educating kids contributes more to economic growth than paying welfare Dr. bills. Educated kids are better future sources of tax revenue

    Those with no kids should pay HIGHER SS taxes as they produce no future workers to fund SS. They should also pay higher income taxes as their decision to remain childless contributes to less economic growth than those who have children. allowances would have to be made for those who are unable to have kids

    Corporations are among those begging and pleading that we increase our spending on education so they will have a more qualified labor pool from which to draw.

    Florida is closer to DC than Hawaii. But since we’re on the topic, sure, he should stay in DC more and go to FL less. Of course, he is not accepting his salary, though $400k does not cover the trips.

    congressional health insurance is an employment benefit; no, it does not disgust me. dems also accept it. Does this disgust you?

    You have an option of whether or not to buy car insurance. You do not have that option under Obamacare. You can get out of buying car insurance by not driving as millions of urbanites do. You can only get of buying Obamacare by not living.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    May 15, 2017 12:54 p.m.

    @lost in DC writes,

    "Constantly demanding someone else pay for your health care is disgusting and without decency. It is also alarming."

    So..."Constantly demanding someone else pay " for educating your children--especially demanding it from people with no kids--or from corporations [who could never have kids anyway] is also disgusting?

    How do you feel about your president "constantly demanding someone else pay" to transport him to Florida every single week? Are you alarmed?

    The good folk in Congress have a Cadillac health plan that they aren't paying for. Does this disgust you also?

    Let's say that over the years you paid $2000 in car insurance premiums. Then you have an accident and it costs the insurance company $5000. If I have coverage through the same company, then I, in essence, paid for part of your claim. Should I feel disgusted? If not, why not?

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 15, 2017 12:12 p.m.

    Making life more difficult for the most vulnerable people in society has always been the Republican's favorite feel good mantra. They have absolutely no vision for our future except to maximize suffering and profits.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    May 15, 2017 11:49 a.m.

    Constantly demanding someone else pay for your health care is disgusting and without decency. It is also alarming. It could not more clearly demonstrate the left lacks any empathy or compassion for those who actually have to foot the bills and that the left does not understand personal and fiscal responsibility.

    BO, nancy, and harry have not only displayed rampant contempt for those who currently or will in the future pay this country (unfortunately it is not each and every one of us) with their spiteful ACA, but they did it contrary to all the promises they made concerning it and despite the fact most of us opposed it.

    the ACA's built-in clashes with religion likely designed to stifle beliefs that did not meet the PC litmus tests were also especially disgusting, without decency, and pernicious, evidencing rampant contempt on their part

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    May 15, 2017 11:40 a.m.

    Maybe they weren't partying about the cuts to health care for the poor and sick. Maybe they were partying because of the great tax cut the rich are getting. Haven't you learned yet that Republicans don't even think about the disadvantaged. It's all about the wealthy. You don't believe me? Look at their policies—on everything.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 15, 2017 11:02 a.m.

    They have not only displayed rampant contempt for those who currently or will need health care in this country (each and every one of us) with their lawn party (I go through the effort to destroy health care in this country and all you've got to offer me is light beer?!) but they also I would imagine did not get permission from the artists to use those songs...