Morning links: How Travis Wilson could fit at TE for Rams; BYU at Washington State game moved back 2 years

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  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    June 18, 2017 11:47 a.m.

    Wallbanger

    "Thus creating major changes..."

    Major changes - the CFP - that took THIRTY years to bring to fruition!

    It's absolutely hysterical how jealous Utah fans keep pounding the nonsensical 1984 narrative.

    The truth is, split national championships in 1990, 1991 and 1997 were the real impetus to creating a format that would guarantee that the two best teams would meet each other in a championship game.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 17, 2017 1:32 a.m.

    @Wallbanger

    I'm glad you see the hypocrisy in Ute "fan" comments as well.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    June 16, 2017 5:33 p.m.

    WACerton coug:

    "Yet despite having WAY more talent, you could only win by one point at home against that team"

    "Besides, why bring up margin of victory? I thought you Ute "fans" didn't think that mattered in any way, shape, or form."

    Hello Mr Pot...have you met Mr. Kettle?

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    June 16, 2017 1:18 p.m.

    WSU taking a page from little red. Run away for two years so you don't get any owies. That conference has caught the fever. Hilarious.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 15, 2017 3:57 p.m.

    "Love it that byu success now is measured by the size of their losses to Utah."

    We don't measure our success by how much we lose to the Utes. We bring it up because you haters think Utah's victory proves their clear dominance and superiority over BYU, and we're bringing you back to reality that they are not. It just doesn't seem to register, though.

    Can you imagine if BYU fans claimed that BYU has far surpassed Oklahoma; BYU is clearly superior, BYU clearly has better talent, if BYU and OU played regularly OU would only win about 1 in every 5 or so, etc.? Think it's ridiculous? Well, that's how Ute "fans" sound.

    (Also, on a side note, it's "BYU" not "byu"; these kinds of errors don't help your credibility)

    "That #2/#4 finish happened by beating multiple teams that FINISHED ranked. Not by barley beating a 6-5 Michigan team by 7 points, and no teams that finished the season in the final top 25."

    And that's BYU's fault that their opponents didn't finish in the top 20? The fact remains: BYU was the best team in 1984. Besides, why bring up margin of victory? I thought you Ute "fans" didn't think that mattered in any way, shape, or form.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 15, 2017 12:47 p.m.

    I remember going to rivalry games in the 80's - watching Steve Young demolish my Utes, etc. byu fan sure enjoyed the rivalry back then, and deservedly so.

    Today, the byu fan battle cry is "we came within two points of beating Utah".

    Love it that byu success now is measured by the size of their losses to Utah.

    It's a great day to be a Ute!

    Go Utes!

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    June 15, 2017 12:43 p.m.

    chili corn dog-Austin, TX

    "like pretending that a #2/#4 finish is somehow superior to winning a Consensus National Championship."

    Thus creating major changes in how one does actually get a NC (one of which, the BCS) to make sure an embarrassment of a "NC" never happened like that again.

    That #2/#4 finish happened by beating multiple teams that FINISHED ranked. Not by barley beating a 6-5 Michigan team by 7 points, and no teams that finished the season in the final top 25.

    Gotta love the '84 talk. I'm sure all the recruits are super impressed by it, as it was so recent and relevant in this century.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    June 15, 2017 11:50 a.m.

    "And that's even at home against a team's 2nd game with a new HC, OC, DC, offense, and defense."

    I'm just curious, what were your excuses for the prior 5 losses to Utah? I remember one byu fan blaming the loss in the Vegas Bowl because the sun was in Mangum's eyes. No joke, that's what he claimed attributed to the loss. So I'd like to hear your other excuses.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 15, 2017 10:58 a.m.

    "LOL, you're kidding right? I guess winning the last 6 in a row didn't contribute to the overall lead or winning 90% of the head to head match ups in the last couple decades didn't contribute to overall lead."

    Sure, it contributed. But 6 in a row isn't "insurmountable". The lead became "insurmountable" a long time ago. In 1964 Utah was up 37-5-4. It was enough that BYU's 19-2 streak still had BYU about 15 games behind. I don't know how you can claim that the last 6 in a row caused Utah's overall record to be so large.

    "You cougie fans continue to give me good laughs on how completely blinded you get and are completely delusional when it comes to being objective with the mighty cougies."

    Wait.... You bring up "being objective". I don't think that word means what you think it means, because you have absolutely NONE.

    "And it is so funny to see the blue faithful resort to bragging about the margin of defeat against Utah."

    We bring it up because if Utah was so much more superior, as the so-called "objective" Ute "fans" say, then the margin of victory would be way more than one point. And that's even at home against a team's 2nd game with a new HC, OC, DC, offense, and defense.

  • TXAfghanVet Dallas, TX
    June 15, 2017 9:57 a.m.

    Travis, as a true blue BYU fan, let me extend my congratulations to you and wish you a successful NFL career. Stay healthy and all the best.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    June 15, 2017 7:10 a.m.

    @Rivertoncougie.........."ou appreciate when people don't bring up decades old accolades, but shortly before you brought up Utah's insurmountable overall lead in the series. Tell me, when did Utah establish that lead? Today, as in 2017? Or did Utah's lead come from something decades (or a century) ago?"

    LOL, you're kidding right? I guess winning the last 6 in a row didn't contribute to the overall lead or winning 90% of the head to head match ups in the last couple decades didn't contribute to overall lead. You cougie fans continue to give me good laughs on how completely blinded you get and are completely delusional when it comes to being objective with the mighty cougies.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    June 15, 2017 2:19 a.m.

    Good luck, Travis!

  • chili con carne Austin, TX
    June 14, 2017 11:02 p.m.

    It's hilarious how the kids on the hill whine about BYU fans clinging to moral victories,

    while completely ignoring how Utah fans cling to moral accomplishments,

    like pretending that a #2/#4 finish is somehow superior to winning a Consensus National Championship.

  • CentralcoastUte San luis obispo , CA
    June 14, 2017 8:35 p.m.

    @BYUHusker,

    The comment right before yours, literally one up from yours was belittling TW and Utah and you're going to claim the only belittling comes from Utah fans?

    LOL!

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    June 14, 2017 7:55 p.m.

    RivertonWAC coug:

    You keep clinging to those "moral victories", you guys are absolute pros at that now. I'll cling to this...2755 days since byu last beat Utah with combined scores of 170-107!

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    June 14, 2017 7:42 p.m.

    It appears Coach Leach decided he couldn't take the SOS hit by playing the Cougs.

    And it is so funny to see the blue faithful resort to bragging about the margin of defeat against Utah. My, how times have changed. 😂

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    June 14, 2017 6:33 p.m.

    I guess Coach Leach decided they couldn't take the hit in SOS. Why else would he give up a sure win?
    Oh, wait... I wonder if the Cougs scheduled a home and home with Wagner.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 14, 2017 5:57 p.m.

    "Not to mention, six in a row, WAY more players sent to the NFL"

    Yet despite having WAY more talent, you could only win by one point at home against that team, even when that team was installing a new offense, a new defense, with a brand new HC, OC, and DC? Oh, and that new team/staff was only in their second game together.

    "and the insurmountable overall lead in the series. (56-31) I'm glad for the many Y fans that I know, actually admit Utah has completely surpassed byu the last quarter century, and don't have to bring up decades old accolades to feel like they're better or more relevant today, as in 2017."

    You appreciate when people don't bring up decades old accolades, but shortly before you brought up Utah's insurmountable overall lead in the series. Tell me, when did Utah establish that lead? Today, as in 2017? Or did Utah's lead come from something decades (or a century) ago?

    And many of the Ute fans that I know realize that even right now BYU and Utah are about even overall. Of course, they're not the haters I refer to. That's why I mention "according to the haters", because the real Ute fans I know are more realistic.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    June 14, 2017 4:29 p.m.

    Riverton coug:

    "BYU has always had a bowl game."

    No, really? Haven't fared too well in them, with a bowl record of .414.
    I meant how the Y had a contract with the Poinsettia Bowl, which is now gone. Nothing new on the table.

    "Utah's supposed far superior talent could only beat lowly (according to the haters) BYU by only one point last year."

    Ah yes, that statement never gets old does it? (According to the haters) But, when a team turns the ball over six times, and still wins the game, as in, the final score, I would definitely say that team does have superior talent. Not to mention, six in a row, WAY more players sent to the NFL, and the insurmountable overall lead in the series. (56-31) I'm glad for the many Y fans that I know, actually admit Utah has completely surpassed byu the last quarter century, and don't have to bring up decades old accolades to feel like they're better or more relevant today, as in 2017.

    Appreciate the honest answers from others about their opinion of Indy. I think byu will do pretty well for the most part, but a lot seems too uncertain, and not in a good way. But I'm sure it'll work itself out. Best of luck though. 2 1/2 months until kick off!😁

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 14, 2017 4:11 p.m.

    @Rememberthreedecadesago:

    Doesn't it just drive you nuts that Utah is putting so many people into the NFL? 16 NFL contracts just from last year's team - including a first rounder - now Travis.

    You go on pretending that Utah is just a party school. Continue mocking players your team never beat. The only person that reflects badly on is you.

    Meanwhile, Utah will continue to graduate its athletes and put players into the NFL.

    Go Utes!

    Seven in a row

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2017 3:51 p.m.

    BYU_Husker "The better schedules"
    A MWC schedule is 8 conference games, leaving 4 non-conference. BYU could still schedule P5 schools in NFL stadiums and play their conference schedule. November would mean something again. You miss that.

    "the ESPN deal"
    Is not all that great. 5 home games televised at @ 1.5 million each. Have you seen the 2018 home slate? Tom Holmoe should write an apology to season ticket holders for that schedule. But... it will be on television!

    "Has it been so long that even Utah fans have forgotten how terrible the MWC is"
    It was bad, but it IS better. More games are on TV, and the MWC often contends for that G5 spot in the NY6. When Boise goes NY6 they bring home more money than BYU.

    BYU could own the MWC reminding them of their WAC glory days. Plus they could still schedule four P5 schools for national exposure. Its a good opportunity, but pride stands in the way.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 14, 2017 3:51 p.m.

    Way to go Bulldog! There is nobody with a bigger heart than Travis. And he likes to hit.

    Go Utes!

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    June 14, 2017 3:04 p.m.

    This BYU fan prefers Independence. I am sympathetic to season tickets holders leaving the stadium at 11:00 pm Thursday, or who would prefer a home game every other week rather than having all of the home games in October. For fans outside of Utah, Independence has been fantastic. The unusual game times make watching games less disruptive, and the only games not available on basic cable are the PAC 12 Network games. No other team plays at as many locations as BYU, so fans anywhere in the country will be able to drive to a local game every other year. It doesn't matter that Texas will only agree to a 2 for 1 contract; because we are watching the games on TV, and if you are within driving distance of Texas, the 2 for 1 is better.

    My only real concern is that lower coaches salaries may result in second rate coaches. Coaches will build a resume at BYU then transfer for higher salaries. Guy Holliday was happy at BYU, BYU was happy with him. He received an offer from Utah, BYU was unable to match it. Everybody was polite about the whole thing, and no one said anything about money, but we all know that is why he left. Same job, similar environment, more money.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 14, 2017 2:58 p.m.

    "no more guaranteed bowl games"

    BYU has always had a bowl game.

    "the cut backs at ESPN, most likely bring 'no renewed contract'"

    Actually, that's not most likely; just wishful thinking from the haters.

    "or one for much, much less"

    Again, that assumes ESPN won't renew.

    "and a bunch of '2for 1s or '1 and done' from other P5 teams "

    BYU has been pretty successful at scheduling P5 teams, even if some are 2-for-1 or 1 and done. By comparison, the only 1-for-1 game with a P5 team the Utes have been able to schedule was Michigan, and context suggests it had more to do with the at-the-time potential PAC/B1G scheduling agreement which ultimately fell through.

    "For byu leaving the Mtn West, why are they still filling 1/3 to half their schedule WITH Mtn West teams?"

    1/3 to half is better than 4/5. BYU gets better teams on their schedule than they would in the MWC.

    "Is it like their recruiting, take what you can get, with an occasional good one, but hope for the best?"

    Funny that you mention recruiting; BYU has limitations but manages to do well with what they get. Utah's supposed far superior talent could only beat lowly (according to the haters) BYU by only one point last year.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 14, 2017 2:48 p.m.

    Washington State - "We have a chance to schedule Houston to a home and home. Move BYU back as far as necessary". (A no brainer!)

    or was it Northern Colorado or New Mexico that they scheduled and moved BYU back?

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    June 14, 2017 1:56 p.m.

    So, potentially being one of, if not the top team in the Mtn West, which would give you better access to the CFP and or NY6 bowls, and consistent schedules (yes, even Laramie) vs. no more guaranteed bowl games, the cut backs at ESPN, most likely bring 'no renewed contract', or one for much, much less, and a bunch of '2for 1s or '1 and done' from other P5 teams?

    For byu leaving the Mtn West, why are they still filling 1/3 to half their schedule WITH Mtn West teams? Is it like their recruiting, take what you can get, with an occasional good one, but hope for the best? I don't Sitake sticking around for more than six or seven years, especially if he out does Bronco.

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2017 1:18 p.m.

    If independence could be proven to be sustainable, I am actually one who would prefer independence to a "power" conference; I happen to like the idea of not being stuck playing the same teams all the time. The reality, of course, is that we won't get the home-and-homes with USC, Texas, Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Florida State et cetera without being in a "power" conference, and we often don't get them to come to Provo even with a two-for-one--or don't you think Tom Holmoe has tried? They're not going to risk coming to Provo and leaving with a loss. So the best we can currently do in many instances is the "neutral" site game close to the home of the opponent. Going beyond that, even Notre Dame has a scheduling agreement with the ACC to simplify things for themselves; how can BYU expect to ever do better than that? But I wish we could; it suits BYU uniquely.

  • Florwood American Fork, UT
    June 14, 2017 12:08 p.m.

    Wallbanger. You and I need to talk then, 'cause happiness is a relative thing, and there are many Cougar fans who vastly prefer independence over the Mountain West. BYU is not stuck with 8-9 games with MW teams, never has to go to Laramie, and each year has the opportunity to play an interesting range of P5 teams.

    That said, certainly membership in a P5 conference would be better, for some of the reasons you mention. So let me summarize it for you: Mountain West Conference < Independence

  • BYU_Husker Strasburg, CO
    June 14, 2017 11:58 a.m.

    Wallbanger,

    The only belittling I hear is from Utah fans. Case and point: your post.

    BYU fans' view of independence is actually quite simple - I'm sure most BYU fans would love for BYU to be in the PAC-12 or another major conference, but since that doesn't seem to be happening, independence is still preferable to the MWC, even with all of its uncertainty. The better schedules, the ESPN deal (I really don't think ESPN is in any danger), playing in NFL stadiums - these are are all preferable to the MWC... by a long shot. Has it been so long that even Utah fans have forgotten how terrible the MWC is (let alone a MWC that now doesn't have BYU, Utah, or TCU in it), or do you just pretend we don't all share the same WAC/MWC history?

    As for the article here, I think it's awesome that Wilson signed a spot as a TE with the Rams. Hard work pays off, and I wish him the best of luck.

  • RememberBYUwinning13of14? Murray, UT
    June 14, 2017 11:43 a.m.

    Recruits, go to UofU and earn your degree and then you can sell T-Shirts for $12 an hour. Guess all that partying in college paid off. Where are you Chris B? Can't see someone with his build EVER making a roster, (okay maybe the Rams) in the NFL. Secondly, has he even played tight end?

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    June 14, 2017 10:41 a.m.

    I wish Travis all the best in the NFL. Guy has a heart of a lion. Wasn't the most consistent QB for Utah, but did a lot for the team, and is tough as nails!

    Of the many, many Y fans I know, I have never heard one say they truly like independence. As I've always said, it's got too much uncertainty, which would explain all the belittling of Utah in the PAC 12. A place that coug fans wish their team could be. If you prefer Indy vs being in a conference, tell us why? With the instability of ESPN and no more bowl tie-ins, poor home games, and difficult scheduling, what's there to be optimistic about? Besides the ancient accolades of the 80s.