Utah congressional leaders feeling 'heartbroken,' 'shaken,' 'vulnerable' after shooting

Return To Article
Add a comment
  • Susan Storm Sandy, UT
    June 19, 2017 1:50 a.m.

    We have to tone down the rhetoric on both sides. Republicans are not evil. Democrats are not evil. You can disagree with someone and still like them.

    On another matter... the shooter had a history of domestic violence and mental instability. Why on earth should someone like that be able to get a firearm? It's time for some common sense in this.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 15, 2017 9:40 p.m.

    @ tototwo -
    "... But Washington DC's gun laws can not be part of the debate. The shooting did not happen in Washington DC., but Virginia where the gun laws are much more lenient."

    True, Virginia's gun laws are much more lenient that the DC, and VA also has a many times lower rate of violent crime.
    The problem is that law abiding citizens working in DC are prohibited from having a gun with them while in DC. You may have a permit to carry in VA or MD, but if any part of your travels that day take you into DC you are not allowed to have the gun with you for the whole day. Only the criminals (and cops) carry guns in DC and everyone else is a defenseless victim.

    It's not the guns, it's the criminals!

  • twspears6007 Bakersfield, CA
    June 15, 2017 5:44 p.m.

    Shame on America for this tragedy for many years this nation has ignored the warnings of far to much violence in our entertainment. Movies, Videos and Television and the constant personal attack on politicians in office and those campaigning for political office. There was a time when a campaign was run on the principles of fair and respect for those campaigning . A candidate simply expressed his desire to run on his merits and what he or she wants to accomplish if elected. No fake news, no personal attacks, no falsifying an opponents record. No constant violence in America's ads and entertainment industry that includes stabbing a sitting President and someone holding the fake ISIS like bloody severed head of the President of the United States. It is time for prayer and ask for Gods forgiveness for Americas transgressions and years of violent and nation destroying mandates. Those that allow it share in the responsibility of this crisis that is sweeping this nation. Tonight I watched the opening of the Congressional baseball game in Washington DC and the unity and support showed there was very moving a perfect example of how America must work. God bless this imperfect nation.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2017 1:48 p.m.

    @Fullypresent
    "They need to stop the bi-partisan politics that is out of control on both sides. Stop telling everyone what you won't do to work with the other party."

    "The political upheaval, mud slinging, bi-partisan politics"

    The word bipartisan means the two parties are working together on something. Like if a bill gets even one vote from the other side members of Congress will be like "this bipartisan bill".

  • tototwo Montgomery Village, MD
    June 15, 2017 1:18 p.m.

    Re: DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT

    After a tragedy like what happened just across the river from me this week, I do believe there needs to be honest discussions and debates as the incident is investigated and scrutinized. But Washington DC's gun laws can not be part of the debate. The shooting did not happen in Washington DC., but Virginia where the gun laws are much more lenient.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    June 15, 2017 1:09 p.m.

    "This is what happens when one political party and their media push HATE for 8 straight months. God speed for this GOP senator and his quick recovery."

    Wasn't it more like 8 years?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    June 15, 2017 1:07 p.m.

    Let's edit a previous post a little. Either way it is written, this is an excellent example of the kind of rhetoric that leads to things like this and helps divide our nation:

    Bernie Sanders supporter attempted to assassinate Republican leadership at a D.C. Area baseball complex. The Sanders supporter apparently asked their party affiliation before opening fire on the Republicans. The rhetoric on social media and right wing media outlets FOX, HANNITY, LIMBAUGH and others and have been stoking up the fire which eventually brought out the worst in this politically based shooting. Sanders for his part condemned the shooting.

    It could just as easily have been the other way around.

    We are a nation divided by politicians who put party over country and money above common sense.

    How do we stop it?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    June 15, 2017 1:02 p.m.

    "It's a terrible event and my prayers go to all involved, including the family of the shooter. The kind of person committing these types of acts is likely dealing with mental or emotional issues that have likely been a challenge for those involved with the shooter and so we should not be too quick to judge. "

    Exactly.

    But consider trying to limit access to a high powered military weapon is asking too much?

    Yeah, right.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    June 15, 2017 12:59 p.m.

    If they feel vulnerable, shaken, and heartbroken, perhaps they should make a real serious effort to try to write and pass some SENSIBLE legislation regarding high powered, high capacity weapons.

    Doing nothing is just plain stupid.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    June 15, 2017 11:55 a.m.

    The resistance is here I guess.. Propelled by Soros money, lib media hysterics and left wing pols... Ultimate way to silence anyone with a different point of view

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    June 15, 2017 11:51 a.m.

    Isn't it great air, omm, lib and many other claimed user names. Mr. Marshall of Ohio, says because you are an angry old white male you need to have a mental evaluation quarterly for you to keep the guns you own.

    Note it is not my opinion, but his. Of course it would apply to me as well as Mr. Marshall as well, because we also are angry old white men.

  • WJ_Coach West Jordan, UT
    June 15, 2017 9:59 a.m.

    @HerbertGravy

    Please get the quote correct and in its context:

    “If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,"

    It was in reference to the Republicans coming after Obama before the 2008 Election. Obama was very calm and collected in the line of Fire from the republican lies and fake news that was presented against him. It was said tongue-in-check in reference to the movie The Untouchables. It was probably said in poor taste with the amount gun violence in the USA, but it was nothing malicious and/or trying encititing a call to action as YOU are suggesting.

    All political, religious, workplace, and family groups have those that are compassionate & those that push the lies and vitriol. It's up to all of us to get those that are more passionate to calm down and speak rationally. Freedom of Speech isn't allowed if it's full of lies and hate. We all could take the time to educate ourselves then educate others when this happens.

    Bless our country and the American people. Hopefully we haven't lost our way with the intervention of Russian values into the American and the rest of the worlds election system and process. France did a great job this past election filtering fake news

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    June 15, 2017 9:51 a.m.

    So they feel vulnerable, shaken and heartbroken? Join the club. But before paying your membership, those in Congress must ask themselves what they have done to help create this situation and to perpetuate the same. Do they show real empathy for low income parents who's children have died at the hands of violence? Or are these feelings of vulnerability and of feeling shaken newly discovered because one of their own has been tragically shot and wounded?

    This begins at the very top. Donald Trump can not encourage a rally member to hit a protestor saying he will gladly pay their legal fees and then turn around and demand that we all unite and come together. Likewise--these "leaders" can not ignore the pain of their constituents, which is what they are doing every time they fail to work with leaders across the aisle, and then demand that we behave as brothers. That would be like a boxer entering the ring and saying he'd like to inflict as much damage as possible and requesting that his opponent be handcuffed to the turnbuckle before starting round 1.

  • wrz Springville, UT
    June 15, 2017 9:18 a.m.

    Fourth try could be a charm...

    Humm.... listen to Colbert Bill Maher , Cathy Griffen , Madonna , Robert Dinero , David Letterman , Rosie O , The entire cast at the View , In fact Hollywood and the Entreatment industry as a whole and every single Democrat along with the Main Stream Media, The press such as the Washington Post , New York Times , LA Times , George Soros who is funding the so call resistance , CNN , MSNBC , NBC , and ABC . I could go on and on even repeating some of their quotas which have inspired the violence against conservatives. They lost an election and they can not put it to rest.

  • dmcvey Los Angeles, CA
    June 15, 2017 9:18 a.m.

    This is horrible. It's terrible that it is so easy to get a gun and shoot people in this country. We've had Congresspeople and children shot and often killed before and yet there is nothing done.
    We even passed laws to make sure mentally ill people can still get guns.

    As for the tone of conversation in this country, I agree that it's horrible. We have a President who mocked disabled people during his campaign and it just keeps getting uglier.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    June 15, 2017 9:07 a.m.

    Mr Trump is reducing regulations. This means more freedom. He is helping small business. Hillary consorted with dozens of big companies. Trump wants Frank-Dodd repealed which will be good for smaller banks, whereas the big 5 do not want to lose it. So how is Trump more of a dictator?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 15, 2017 8:50 a.m.

    Herbert Gravy - Salinas, CA
    June 15, 2017 7:31 a.m.

    "You bring a knife and I'll bring a gun."
    (Barack Obama)

    What kind of message does that send?

    =======

    I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters.
    (Donald Trump)

    Get they guy outta here - should be carried out on a stretcher.
    (Donald Trump)

    suggesting that “2nd Amendment people” could stop Hillary Clinton from making judicial nominations
    (Donald Trump)

    What kind of message does that send?

    BTW --
    The difference was Obama was using a metaphor about one-up ing during a political election.
    Such as - You hit, we'll hit back harder.
    or
    Teddy Roosevelt's "speak softly, and carry a big stick."

    Donald Trump was literally talking about guns and fights against people - not metaphorical elections.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    June 15, 2017 8:39 a.m.

    I don't condone violence, but for Republicans to play the role of victims is an affront. It is they who I directly hold responsible for the tone in politics, going back to Newt Gingrich's tenure and Tom DeLay's K Street Project, which is still in play today. The Republican response and attitude towards President Obama, including their supporters calling for his lynching, and the support of violence by Trump during the campaign, which was acted upon by his supporters, deepened the atmosphere. And when Trump took office, he made zero attempt to bring the country together and, in reality, he has taken many policy steps which harm the average American. Trump has made the negative environment much worse. So while there are some on the left who go too far, either in their art, or who resort to violence, I find it offensive when Republican Members of Congress use pseudo-innocence and claim to be victims. Every member of Utah's delegation has contributed to the current environment. There's not a true leader among them.

  • John in Denver Brighton, CO
    June 15, 2017 8:33 a.m.

    I think the baseball game should still be played, but in the future the teams should not be Democrats vs. Republicans. Instead, representatives from both parties should play on each team. That would develop a much greater sense of bipartisanship.

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    June 15, 2017 7:46 a.m.

    @cjb: "Let us encourage Democrats to accept the results of this election and stop their bitter opposition to President Trump. This is the root of this shooting."

    I fully accept that Trump won the electoral college.

    I also accept that he lost by 3,000,000+ votes nationally.

    I accept that he and his administration are under investigation for obstruction of justice and various criminal acts.

    I accept that Flynn was forced to resign for criminal acts.

    I accept that Trump's Attorney General refused to answer questions but could not actually say what law, rule, or regulation he was hiding behind.

    I accept that Trump's advisors and associates are increasingly revealed to be under investigation for unlawful acts, that the money trail leads consistently to Russia.

    I accept that Trump is increasingly an international laughingstock.

    I accept that Trump's own Twitter feed is exhibit 1 in the legal case against him. I accept that rumors Trump was considering firing Mueller was intended as obstruction and it backfired bigly.

    I accept all of that, and more.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    June 15, 2017 7:31 a.m.

    "You bring a knife and I'll bring a gun."
    (Barack Obama)

    What kind of message does that send?

  • bamafone Salem, UT
    June 15, 2017 7:29 a.m.

    lawmakers need to be doing the business of the people, reducing taxes and cutting the debt, not playing baseball.

  • liberal larry Salt Lake City, UT
    June 15, 2017 6:44 a.m.

    I suppose that the NRA will say that if the Congressmen had been packing heat this wouldn't have happened!

    When all you have is a hammer!

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 15, 2017 6:45 a.m.

    cjb,

    Democrats really? How about the leader of the free world put away his twitter account and lead instead of trashing people who dont worship him.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    June 15, 2017 6:33 a.m.

    @Neil
    To say that Donald Trump is being "scrutinized" is a gross understatement. Depictions of decapitations and murder by stabbing (Julius Caesar play) go FAR beyond mere scrutiny.

    Most of us need a good dose of smelling salts.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2017 11:00 p.m.

    kkodey - Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2017 6:45 p.m.
    It doesn't help matters when Kathy Griffin holds up bloody heads of a president, and only fuels the fire for the mentally ill in this country to justify their actions with violence.

    It didn't help that people hung Obama in effigy, I hate Obama T-Shirts, I hate Trump T-Shirts, Kill President Bush pics. Hitler and Trump are one and the same. It goes on and on. Hate speech is a terrible thing whoever is promoting it. That is what needs to stop whoever it is. Trump has done his share so he does bear some responsibility for some of today. He evokes more extreme emotions than most presidents have.

    There is a price to pay for the free speech rights we enjoy in this country.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    June 14, 2017 10:41 p.m.

    Re Fabulous Jen

    This is not a gun problem, this is a people problem. Murders happened long before the gun was invented.

    Let us encourage Democrats to accept the results of this election and stop their bitter opposition to President Trump. This is the root of this shooting.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 14, 2017 9:57 p.m.

    Some members of Congress have permits to carry concealed self defense weapons from their home state. However, the District of Columbia does not recognize those permits, so members are defenseless in the District and at work. They must depend on the Capitol Police.

    Congress can make laws for DC, and they need to pass one which will recognize concealed carry permits from all states. Not just for members of Congress, but for all law abiding citizens who have permits.

    There are (sadly, but realistically) a lot of people out there who want to kill other people, either because they are just plain crazy, or for political or religious reasons or as a side effect of other criminal activity. Courts have ruled that the police have no duty to protect any individual, so you have two choices:
    A- take prudent measures to provide your own defense options (gun, pepper spray, martial arts) or:
    B- accept that you are willing to be a defenseless victim dependent on someone calling the cops and waiting until they get there to stop an attack.

    Or, pretend that evil does not exist and if you are nice person no one will ever attack you.

    Be prepared!

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 14, 2017 9:43 p.m.

    It's hard to think of partisanship and unity and not recall Sarah Palin, Ted Nugent, and Kid Rock being invited to Trump's White House and seeing them smirking in front of Hillary Clinton's portrait.

    It's also not hard to recall Jason Chaffetz's Instagram photograph of him shaking hands with Hillary taken at the inauguration and the smug caption he wrote under it.

    This is the in-your-face "get over it" "we won!" tone that has been set. Hopefully that will stop. It's not doing the country any good.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    June 14, 2017 9:29 p.m.

    This is what happens when one political party and their media push HATE for 8 straight months. God speed for this GOP senator and his quick recovery.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2017 8:05 p.m.

    Today was a tragedy.
    I hope it is also a wake up call to Congress and the country that we need to unite, focus on what we have in common, and the best interest of the country. Congress needs to put the country first, not their party. They need to stop the bi-partisan politics that is out of control on both sides. Stop telling everyone what you won't do to work with the other party. Start telling the country what you are willing to do to compromise and work together in everyone's behalf. There are many unstable people out there in our society. Don't be cutting mental health services and the safety net in our society to deal with these kind of people.

    The political upheaval, mud slinging, bi-partisan politics, extreme media responses, and the crap that has come out of the White House since the election helps to fuel extreme emotions and cause these kind of things. Congress, the White House, media, and the country in general need to be promoting peace and working together. The Democrats and Republicans need to do something about the extremists in their parties. They are the problem as well.

  • Say No to Trump Payson, UT
    June 14, 2017 7:03 p.m.

    A tragic event!

  • kkodey Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2017 6:45 p.m.

    It doesn't help matters when Kathy Griffin holds up bloody heads of a president, and only fuels the fire for the mentally ill in this country to justify their actions with violence. We need to quit rioting at rallies and shouting at town meetings, and return to proper decorum, diplomacy, discretion, and decency, or more of these events will happen. We can disagree without being disagreeable. What kind of role model do we give our children when they see mom and dad screaming like babies in public? We have some of the best gun rights and regulations in the world, yet the kooks continue to terrorize and play havoc with our quiet, secure lives. Every time a new one occurs, it just revitalizes the gun debate, and nothing changes. Let's keep all those injured in this tragic event in our prayers.

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 14, 2017 6:13 p.m.

    Today's shooting in Arlington was chilling and I am so sad. The Second Amendment means a great deal to me but I hope Republicans can take a look at gun availability. An A+ rating from the NRA means a great deal but we need to take another look at the human cost. This should not be a great day for gun manufacturers but I am sure that it has been.

  • twinkleberry67 Layton, UT
    June 14, 2017 6:03 p.m.

    This is not a matter of free speech or a political statement. The wingnut who perpetrated this mess was mentally ill and became a danger to society and had focused on politics as a way to take out his mentally disturbed angst on society. All day today, I haven’t been able to get away from all the hype out there that this tragedy was a political statement where the president is to blame. Enough! The perp was nuts in the first place. I feel bad for those who were shot as well as their families. I sincerely hope that those who were injured or shaken up by what happened a speedy recovery and I hope their charity game is a success.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    June 14, 2017 5:10 p.m.

    This is not the day to be snarky, snippy or just plain angry. We need to come together. A very sad day for us all.

  • 112358 Alpine, UT
    June 14, 2017 5:00 p.m.

    @airnaut
    Giffords was shot by a man who had called himself "left wing."
    JFK was killed by a socialist.
    RFK was killed by a Palestinian full of hate for Israel.
    MLK was not a Democrat, but was killed by one.

    ---

    The encouragement of hatred for and violence towards conservatives needs to stop. When liberals hold aloft severed faux heads, enact assasination, rage on social media about violence, they encourage violence.

    It's time to stop making excuses, and stop the hatred.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    June 14, 2017 4:52 p.m.

    Oh Good Grief!

    Republicans politicizing this,
    crying foul makes me want to vomit.

    You got Donald Trump calling for someone to beat someone up at his rallies, and he promises to pay for their bills.

    You got GOP congresswoman threatening 2nd amendment remedies to situations.

    You got a Montana Republican Congressman BODY-slamming a reporter.

    Then Republicans take this ONE whack job and stereotype us as if all us anti-war, anti-violence, anti-GUN, pot smoking hippy liberals as ALL being mentally ill domestic terrorists.

    FYI -- It was the GOP and Trump himself who just let a mentally ill person HAVE a gun in the first place.
    You know -- 2nd amendment 'shall NOT be infringed' etc., etc.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    June 14, 2017 4:37 p.m.

    @ airnaut

    Are you so blinded by hatred that you cannot see that Stewart likely knew these people personally because they are his colleagues, he sees them on a daily basis and he has developed personal relationships with them; whereas, he did not have any connection to anyone involved in the Patterson murders?

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    June 14, 2017 4:33 p.m.

    A despicable act of cowardice . Republicans act like it is only the left that engages in vitriol and violence. Both political parties have been taken over by extremists who are unwilling to compromise their positions. Republicans were relentless with their attacks on Obama. Now that Trump is being scrutinized they call foul.

  • Vegasbob North Las Vegas, NV
    June 14, 2017 3:35 p.m.

    @ airmaut

    Just a little history lesson.

    Gabby Gifford shot by supporter (democrat)
    John F Kennedy assasinated by Lee Harvey Oswald - avowed leftist and one time registered Democrat.
    Bobby Kennedy assasinated by Sirhan Sirhan - Radical Leftist
    Martin Luther King assasinated by James Earl Ray - Registered Democrat

    While I doubt the above were targeted for being Democrats it does seem odd that they were all Democrats or leftists.

    The victims of today's attack were though specifically targeted because they were Republican.

    Be open minded all you want but facts tell the tale.

  • New to Utah Provo, UT
    June 14, 2017 2:53 p.m.

    Bernie Sanders supporter attempted to assassinate Republican leadership at a D.C. Area baseball complex. The Sanders supporter apparently asked their party affiliation before opening fire on the Republicans. The rhetoric on social media and leftists media outlets CNN and MSNBC have been stoking up the fire which eventually brought out the worst in this politically based shooting. Sanders for his part condemned the shooting.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    June 14, 2017 2:29 p.m.

    @Open minded: Please stop the deception. Especially now, it is extremely insensitive.

    From Snopes.com:
    "The repeal does not change any actual firearm regulations; there have been (and still are) laws on the books that prohibit the sale of guns to some groups of people based on mental illness."

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    June 14, 2017 2:27 p.m.

    It's the Trump effect.

    Attempted Murder is the ULTIMATE statement of Political Incorrectness.

    Darn! Republicans win AGAIN!

  • whitness Draper, UT
    June 14, 2017 12:59 p.m.

    and the hate talk continues, right here, right now. STOP IT !

  • Spangs Salt Lake City, UT
    June 14, 2017 12:46 p.m.

    This is a sick, despicable act. What is even more sickening for me is that it appears he carried out this act as a political statement. I don't care how much someone dislikes Donald Trump. This is not who we are as a people.

    Yeah, he could have been mentally ill. And we should be working to ensure that the mentally ill don't have access to assault rifles. But regardless, we all need to be turning down the vitriol.

  • The Meliorist Grande Cache, 00
    June 14, 2017 11:48 a.m.

    Left or Right, conservative or liberal, Republican or Democrat or independent, no matter.

    It's a terrible event and my prayers go to all involved, including the family of the shooter. The kind of person committing these types of acts is likely dealing with mental or emotional issues that have likely been a challenge for those involved with the shooter and so we should not be too quick to judge.

    As it is likely anger and a divisive political tone which led to this, the antidote should be compassion and unity and kind words.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    June 14, 2017 11:30 a.m.

    Authorities are investigating whether the shooter, who police identified as James T. Hodgkinson, 66, of Belleville, Illinois, targeted the baseball players because of their party affiliation.

    ========

    Gee --
    I wonder if Gabrielle "Gabby" Giffords was targeted for being a Democrat.
    I wonder if John F. Kennedy was targeted for being a Democrat.
    I wonder if Robert Kennedy was targeted for being a Democrat.
    I wonder if Dr. Martin Luther King was targeted for being a Democrat.

    ....good grief.
    talk about political grandstanding.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 14, 2017 11:21 a.m.

    Reminder --
    Donald Trump signed a bill in February revoking Obama-era gun checks for people with mental illnesses.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    June 14, 2017 11:20 a.m.

    Donald Trump suggested that some could exercise their 2nd amendment rights on Hillary Clinton.

    Goose meets gander.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    June 14, 2017 10:58 a.m.

    Rep. Stewart: 'These are friends of mine, and I’m heartbroken for them'

    ===

    Nice way to politicize this Mr. Stewart.

    A young woman and her son were killed, with 2 others innocent Samaritans also being gunned down last week right here at home -- yet YOU said nothing about that.

    BUT - over this, NOW you do.

    Must go out of your way to make Donald Trump happy,
    stroke his fragile tiny little ego.

    Don't forget to wish the supreme leader a Happy Birthday -- 5 year olds make it a point to let EVERYONE know today is their birthday.