Not a single one of the super-smart commenters here knows why this person was
delayed in entering the U.S. I would guess that most people delayed entry into
the U.S. are not Muslims. Besides...why are the words "sacred" and
"holy" for the exclusive use of Islam? When used in the context of the
LDS faith, the media uses these words solely as punchlines.
"We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates
of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship
how, where, or what they may."If he has committed no crime and
is a U.S. citizen then what is the problem - this smells of banning a man
because of his religion plain and simple, a decision which is against the laws
of Heavenly father (see the above) and our Constitution
I'm amazed by how many comments we have here when no-one knows why he was
denied reentry. Reminds me of the so-called journalists who debate what Trump
had for breakfast and how it makes him more guilty of treason.
@Esquire:"I guess that freedom of religion thing doesn't apply
across the board...."True, and especially a religion that
advocates and teaches (via their holy writ) to do the unthinkable to the
infidel. And just who is the infidel? Ans: Any non-Muslim. And that would
include Americans. Furthermore, Islam is not a religion. It is a despotic
government masquerading as a religion... the objective of which is to set up
their government, Shariah law, across the globe, which, by the way, has made
substantial inroads into European governments. Travel from certain Muslim
majority countries, including Trump's travel ban, was to protect the US
from this sort of situation. Are we so blind that we can't see this?
@wrz wrote, "When has anyone spoke out against forced marriages performed
by the Muslims?"The website GirlsNotBrides.org speaks out about
it every day. Samantha Bee had an eight minute segment just this last week
about the efforts to ban children from getting married in the US. Any article
about it in the mainstream press brings dozens, if not hundreds of letters in
support of ending child marriage. Girls who are pregnant by older men are
frequently coerced into marrying these men to keep the men from being prosecuted
for statuary rape. The great majority (70+%) end in divorce. That answers your question. Now please answer Brave Sir Robin's question
about when, if ever, you have spoken out against the forced marriages of the
@Say No to BO wrote, "I know a man who was accused, without
evidence, of colluding with the Russians. When that notion evaporated after
months of innuendo, he was then charged with obstruction of their
process."When one's representatives and one's son and
one's associates all have documented evidence of collusion..and, instead
of welcoming an investigation, one tries to cut it off..yes, one will probably
be investigated for obstruction. The "notion" may have evaporated on
Breitbart, but the legitimate press reports on new evidence accumulating every
@Capsacin: "Hopefully he's not allowed to return ever."The rest of your comment was cut off. Would you mind repeating what it
is that he has done to justify being banished from his home country?Banishment is not a criminal penalty in the US. They used to do that in
Iceland in 10th century People would be banished for 1 or 3 years or life. But
with our justice system we fine, or incarcerate wrong-doers, not banish.All men have a right to a fair trial, to know the charges against them
and to be judged by a jury of their peers. This right goes back to the Magna
Carta in the 13th century.
@Brave Sir Robin:"Assuming you're LDS, when's the last time
you publicly spoke out against the forced child marriages performed by the FLDS
church?"When has anyone spoke out against forced marriages
performed by the Muslims?"Because that LDS/FLDS connection is
about as close as the mainstream Islam/radical Islam connection that you're
demanding this imam speak out on."Radical Islamists take their
directions from their holy writ, the Koran. However, not all Muslims practice
radicalism. They all don't need to. They only need, say, 1% of their
population to do the work... and that'd be about 1.5 million jihadi
terrorists. Fairly sizable army.
@SLarsInteresting you would accuse others of not looking at it I
full context then leave off the past line "To hear that the Muslim community
is wary of extreme vetting and distrusts immigration enforcement because of this
only arouses suspicion." The post taken in its full context
supports Frozen Fractals comment not refute it.
@frozen fractals"I wonder what prompted immigration and customs
officials to have blocked this imam? I'm sorry for the congregation to
loose having a leader during their holiest month, but our security comes before
religious freedoms and the authorities ..."Takes on a different
context when quoted fully.
@SLars[" Just the fact that he is a Muslim leads to such comments as
"authorities have flagged this imam for good reason."Where
is that quote? No one here said that."]It's in the very
first comment on this article. @Frank K"Can you imagine a
'Mormon ban' around the world?"I can imagine it in
Russia considering they recently banned the other prominent American originating
religion known for proselytizing, Jehovah's Witnesses.
" Just the fact that he is a Muslim leads to such comments as
"authorities have flagged this imam for good reason.""Where is any justification for that claim?"Where is that
quote? No one here said that.
Does anyone know if an account has been established to help out?
Wow. Just wow what some comments here say and the fact the DN will actually
post them. Justice is blind and for all American citizens. If this man gets
denied his rights and we as Americans don't all stand up to defend them,
shame on us. It could be you or I that find us in a similar situation in the
wrz writes, "...especially a religion that advocates and teaches (via their
holy writ) to kill the infidel. And just who is the infidel? Ans: Anyone who is
not a Muslim."Here are some passages from the Quran that might
present an opposite impression:“O You who believe! Enter
absolutely into peace (Islam). Do not follow in the footsteps of satan. He is an
outright enemy to you.” (Holy Quran: 2, 208)“There is no
compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)“God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought
you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards
them. God loves those who are just.” (Surat al-Mumtahana, 8)“Had God willed, He would have made you a single community, but He
wanted to test you regarding what has come to you. So compete with each other in
doing good. Every one of you will return to God and He will inform you regarding
the things about which you differed.” (Surat al-Ma’ida, 48)Uninformed fear will never lead us to peace or security. Let's educate
ourselves and survive in peace.
He is a citizen. He has rights which cannot be denied without due process. He
has a right to know the charges against him and to face his witnesses.
This man is a U.S. citizen! He is not trying to enter the country illegally and
to suggest otherwise is wrong and mean-spirited. The lack of
compassion demonstrated by some commenters is sad. Don't let inconvenient
facts get in the way, for sure.
This could take months to sort out.Political justice is an odd
thing, and the charges themselves turn on a dime. I know a man who was accused,
without evidence, of colluding with the Russians. When that notion evaporated
after months of innuendo, he was then charged with obstruction of their
process.See how it works? You can't possibly win when the
charges themselves change on a whim. And the accusers and their
process cannot be examined because of privacy and national security.Good luck, my friend. Maybe Kenya IS the right home for you and your family.
Life's too short for political courts and their trials.
This Muslim ban has created more unity problems in this country and around the
world that I would have imagined. Can you imagine a 'Mormon ban'
around the world? No LDS missionaries allowed in other countries. The ban is
irrational and I wonder where do all the Evangelical Christians and the
religious organizations that proclaim to be Christians stand on this?
"I have no problem with Muslims and their Islamic faith. I do have a problem
with Muslims who do or say nothing about the abhorrent behavior of the violent
extremism exercised by some members of their faith."Then you
haven't been paying attention very well.There have been countless
opinions and actions by American Muslims that do exactly that. But some people
seem determined not to notice.
@DN Subscriber"The fact that Qatar has been blacklisted by several
Arab states as a sponsor of terrorism"Trump just made a 12
billion dollar weapons deal with Qatar. I don't think we're that
worried about that idea (plus Saudi Arabia is one of the ones doing the
blacklisting and they're generally considered a sponsor of terrorism too).
@LivinLarge" I do have a problem with Muslims who do or say
nothing about the abhorrent behavior of the violent extremism exercised by some
members of their faith."Assuming you're LDS, when's
the last time you publicly spoke out against the forced child marriages
performed by the FLDS church? Because that LDS/FLDS connection is about as close
as the mainstream Islam/radical Islam connection that you're demanding this
imam speak out on.
"I think we need to take care of our own first" - he is one of us!
He's a U.S. citizen! My guess is that many of these comments come from fear
but it isn't right. It does nothing but divide people and cause more fear
and hate. Perhaps we would do well heeding Pres. Uchtdorf's council,
"Therefore, let us serve God and love our fellowmen. Let us do this with a
natural confidence, with humility, never looking down on any other religion or
group of people."
I have no problem with Muslims and their Islamic faith. I do have a problem
with Muslims who do or say nothing about the abhorrent behavior of the violent
extremism exercised by some members of their faith.
Those commenters blaming the government for his problem obviously have more
information than the rest of us. I would suggest that the difficulty is very
likely with Qatar airlines. One hopes that if it is the US
government, there is sufficient reason for it. I suggest those who blame the US
first should wait for the facts before judging.
This article does not say that the United States is stopping this person from
entry. In fact, he is appealing to the United States Embassy for their help.
Which is proper since he is a United States citizen. The article says he is
flying on Qatar Airlines. This probably has something to do with the United
States pressuring the Saudis to pressure Qatar and has nothing to do with Pres.
Trump or any type of travel ban imposed by the United States. This discussion
should not be about his religion or radicalization. It should be about a foreign
country stopping the United States citizen from returning home.
Very disturbing that a US citizen can so easily be denied thier basic rights and
that so many in this thread feel so comfortable expressing such open hostility.
If this man is a US citizen there's no reason he should be denied the
ability to return to the US by our government. If the government has
justification to deny his return they should allow him back in the US and arrest
him. I hope this is just a misunderstanding or unrelated to his religion,
otherwise this is a gross abuse of governmental powers. Equating
terrorists and muslims is like equating polygamists and mormons*. Both
comparisons are inappropriate yet are frequently made. Islamic terrorists have a
similar relationship to Islam as polygamists do to the LDS church. They both
share roots, including scriptures and some doctrines, to their mainstream
counterparts but otherwise should not be thought of as similar. Yesterday, CNN's report of Lyle Jeffs' arrest was initially labeled
an arrest of a mormon polygamist. To members of the LDS faith we knew this
headline was incorrect yet this is how many people perceive polygamists and our
church. I hope the Imam's problems are quickly resolved and he
can return to his country. *I don't mean to suggest that
polygamists are evil like terrorists, there are many polygamists who otherwise
uphold the law and live good lives
@Capsaicin"Hopefully he's not allowed to return
ever."We're still a nation of laws, so I expect you're
going to be disappointed.
Please, spare us the emotional nonsense about leaving his "...congregation
in Utah without its leader during the faith's holiest month." He
picked the dates to travel, knowing that Ramadan falls between May 26 and June
24. Any delay getting back is on top of his chosen travel dates smack in the
middle of Ramadan.Note that Imams in the U.S. have been blamed for
radicalizing and inciting a number of terrorists, so it is prudent to screen all
of them before allowing them to re-enter the U.S., citizen or not. That is not
to say that Mr. Abdi is any sort of radical threat, but I am not willing to
blindly let everyone into the U.S.Let the screening process work and
if he is not a thread, I am sure the problems will be cleared up. The fact that
Qatar has been blacklisted by several Arab states as a sponsor of terrorism, and
the Abdi is traveling on Qatar airlines certainly adds to the need to be
cautious.Meanwhile. DN editors can reflect on the difference between
sew and sow: "fears the hangup will sew distrust and angst in Utah's
DC Surfs said, "...Well if my people start blowing others up, I hope the
Feds don't allow any more of us into the country either."Ever hear of Tim McViegh? How many red haired country boys from the heartland
have been stopped at the airport because of "who they look like" or
"what religious tradition they follow"?Singling out a
particular religion or ethnic background because of their faith or their
appearance only grows seeds of despair and distrust within communities that are
otherwise focused on doing good in the world. That distrust can result in
tragic events like Mountain Meadow Massacre and other historically tragic
events.We like to call ourselves a beacon unto the world, where
dreams that are doused in other countries can flourish and become realities
here. But if we fear people because of how they look or because members of
their own faith have distorted the teachings they believe to justify their own
cowardly, terrorist actions, then we dishonor the Founders of nation who
courageously fought oppression by an authoritative government and established
this wonderful experiment we call the United States of America. It's still
a work in progress.
This is what is going on behind the curtains. While federal judges overrule
Trump executive orders, Trump is "the" executive branch of government.
Immigration officers now have more discretion and are using it on a regular
basis. But this is how most countries in the world operate. If they
don't want to let you in, they don't, and they don't have to tell
you why. I'm not saying this is right. But, ironically, US
immigration officials are keeping this man's family together.
I guess that freedom of religion thing doesn't apply across the board....
I am sorry... we have border officers for Mexico not letting some people in...
now there is an uprising for people from other countries being more cautious
about letting them in? Sorry but I think we need to take care of our own first
and worry about everything else later... I know I am going to get hateful
comments on this but I am sick of this "being offended" because I am
a.... or because they said.... or did.... Our America I grew up in is literally
So what is the point of this headline? Just because a person had United States
citizenship doesn't mean they can't be a terrorist too.
"...Sen. Orrin Hatch's office is also helping them to try to determine
the reason behind the restriction."The imam is a citizen of this
country. Shouldn't the senator's office be working to get him home
rather than simply trying to understand why this citizen was denied his rights?
Of course it is important to understand why so that unconstitutional actions
like this can never be repeated and those who enforced this order can be
prosecuted, but the first order of business should be to allow him to travel to
his home of citizenship.
@ one old man - "We see in some comments here the kind of hateful
thinking that has caused such division in our country. Just the fact that he is
a Muslim leads to such comments as "authorities have flagged this imam for
good reason."Well if my people start blowing others up, I hope
the Feds don't allow any more of us into the country either. These
comments are anything but hateful. I think fearful is the word you are looking
for. Fearful of being blown up!
In March of this year the Girls Scouts of Canada announced they would not be
taking trips to Canada in the near future for fear that some of the girls might
not be allowed into the country. Canada has a very diverse population and many
of the girls in the program have been born in a Muslim majority country included
in President Trump's ban. If when they get to the border or the airport and
they're told some girls are not admissible that would ruin their trip,
understandably.The University of Toronto too has showed its concern
and support for the scholars that will not be able to travel to the US to
conferences and they have informed the U of T community that some students born
in one of the banned countries have had problems going back to Canada.
We see in some comments here the kind of hateful thinking that has caused such
division in our country. Just the fact that he is a Muslim leads to such
comments as "authorities have flagged this imam for good reason."Where is any justification for that claim? If this had been
a Mormon missionary or Baptist preacher, would responses have been different?
So, airline workers on a foreign airline told this man that he was barred by the
US. Sounds a bit vague.If the leader of a church doesnt want to
miss out on his holiest month, perhaps he should choose to travel at another
Hopefully he's not allowed to return ever.
Qatar Airlines are cancelling a large number of passenger bookings to and from
Qatar after four Arab countries severed diplomatic and economic links with them.
The flight was booked on Qatar airlines. It's a mess there right now, give
them a chance to get things straightened out.
Lotsa luck trying to get an answer. With Patriot Act and its ilk,
secret courts, gag orders, mystery "lists", etc -- all it takes to loose
all citizenship rights/ Constitutional protections is to have some nameless
bureaucrat slap a label of suspicion. After all, he did make something of a
press event when ICE took part of his flock.
I wonder what prompted immigration and customs officials to have blocked this
imam? I'm sorry for the congregation to loose having a leader during their
holiest month, but our security comes before religious freedoms and the
authorities have flagged this imam for good reason. To hear that the Muslim
community is wary of extreme vetting and distrusts immigration enforcement
because of this only arouses suspicion.