Duh. And liberal states would be shrugging it off.
Attention low information Trump enablers! How possibly could liberals act and
carry out such the violence you claim? After all, liberals are
"snowflakes". Which is it? Violent, anti-government protesters or
"snowflakes"? Keep digging comrades! Thank you.
The hypocrisy of FOX news and their coverage of this topic has shocked me. I
heard them today excusing working with Russia to influence an American election!
That is mind blowing.President Trump has done more controversial and
unethical things in the first six months than Barack Obama did in the entire 8
years. But you watch FOX and they keep trying to positively spin the story.I'm turning off FOX for good. Mainstream media may lean slightly
left but at least they are trusted to report facts and not opinions spun as
truth. FOX news is not good for our democracy.
The biggest whopper Obama uttered was 'If you like your health care plan,
you can keep it' vs. Trump and GOP: "No
one will lose coverage. There will be insurance for everybody. Healthcare will
be a “lot less expensive” for everyone. Trump promised:
“We’re going to have insurance for everybody, there was a philosophy
in some circles that if you can’t pay for it, you don’t get it.
That’s not going to happen with us.” ‘No cuts to
Medicaid’:“I was the first & only potential GOP candidate
to state there will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare &
Medicaid” ‘No one will loose coverage' ‘Nobody will be worse off financially’“I firmly
believe that nobody will be worse off financially in the process that
we’re going through.” ‘Get rid of artificial
lines’Trump talked about people buying health insurance across state
lines. "We have to get rid of the artificial lines around the
states”. ‘Everybody's going to be taken care
of’ “I am going to take care of everybody
Everybody’s going to be taken care of much better than they’re taken
care of now.” recently, Trump has promised that repeal will end with
“a beautiful picture.” ...and they call Obama the liar?
The biggest whopper Obama uttered was 'If you like your health care plan,
you can keep it' and I have to admit I was embarrassed for him, but Trump
and his minions top that on a daily basis!For some reason liberals
are held to a higher level of accuracy in their public statements, and the
conservative AM baloney factory masterfully conflates non events like
Whitewater into major scandals.
Mmmm?The Code of Federal Regulations makes the law immunizing Trump
Jr.’s actions precisely clear: any foreign national individual may
volunteer personal services to a federal candidate or federal political
committee without making a contribution. The law provides this volunteer
“exemption” as long as the individual performing the service is not
compensated by anyone on the campaign. See 11 CFR 100.74. For example, as the
Federal Election Commission advises all, “an individual can provide
volunteer services to a candidate or party without considering the value of
those service a contribution to the candidate or party.” Section 30121 of
Title 52 does not apply to voluntary activity or services. The thing “of
value” must be actual money, or its transferable equivalent, not a
volunteer of services or information.
I didn't want to do this, but does the name Timothy McVeigh ring a bell?
If conservatives want to blame the violence of anarchists on liberals, then
conservatives get to wear the actions of this small-government guy.
Since when was Loretta Lynch a Russian? Matthews was spot on. Clinton's
closet email server was absurd, but that pales in comparison to what the
Romanov, err, Trump family has been doing.
NEAD:Please quantify the amount of property damage done by
conservatives in, let's say, the last 20 years?Please list the
number of personal injuries inflicted by conservatives.Remember that
all the false reports that are consistently proven to be staged by liberals to
give conservatives a bad name (churches burned, swastiskas on homes and public
buildings, even injuries that were self inflicted) all need to be counted
against liberals, not conservatives.How much damage was done by Tea
Partiers compared to Occupy Wall Street, Blakc Lives Matter, and green
protesters at the pipeline and other venues.Seriously, when you take
all those things and aggregate them, isn't the ratio like a billion to one?
In calculus terms, the damage inflicted by the left is approaching infinity
while the damage inflicted by conservatives is approaching zero.Last
question: Without data (versus innuendo) to support your claims, why would you
give such clear evidence or your political blindness?
What did the conservatives do when Barack won? Walked disappointingly back to
their homes and kept living productive lives. Many of them also joined in
with the chorus led by someone who waged a campaign to discredit his presidency
by stoking a conspiracy theory about where he was born. Or waged an all out war
against any efforts he could put forward to govern or create legislation. They
went nuts when the president was photographed with his feet on the desk; you can
bet if there was a meeting with a hostile foreign government in an attempt to
get information to sway the electorate we'd know what the text of articles
of impeachment would contain by this point in President Obama's term. Liberals like Chris Matthews and the kind would be wise to follow our
@Common sense conservativeI got one for you: 2009. There was a
spate of angry town halls that year regarding the then-proposed Affordable Care
Act when the Tea Party really started going. During that time, Democrat
representatives were shouted at, threatened, and resorted to using protective
police escorts to leave those meetings with their constituents. Just like this
year, but with party names switched, Democrats accused Republicans of staging
the protests, and Republicans ignored the rhetoric that often veered into
violence (if only usually blustery threats).Is that a riot by your
definition? I'm sure you'll rush to move the goalposts to reassure
yourself that it isn't, but the overwhelmingly vast majority of liberals in
the US don't engage in rioting either; you just project the actions of an
insignificant minority of children and troublemakers onto the rest. It's
similar to the way that some liberals ascribe the actions and beliefs of the
execrable white nationalists who support Trump to the entire Republican party.
It's unfair, inaccurate, and unhelpful in a reasoned conversation.
unrepentant progressive: "All the Trump defenders, and their use of the
"Hillary did it too" or the left is more violent than the right (without
proof)..."The left is definitely more violent than the right. We
can show hundreds of videos of riots, burning cars, broken windows, rocks being
thrown, etc. at liberal "rallies". Something tells me that none of those
things would be considered 'proof' by the majority of far-left
liberals.There really is no comparison between the actions of
leftist groups like BLM or Wall Street Occupiers and those on the right like the
Tea Party. Sure you can find some tiny group protest like the Bundys or some
Michigan militia to point to, but certainly nothing of any size.
Can anyone name a single instance in U.S. history where conservatives rioted
when things didn't go their way? Nope. Never. How about liberals? Ahhh
yes, the list is quite long. That said, talk radio and Fox News would be up in
arms 24/7 if this same news happened with the Clinton campaign. In fact, their
"defense" of Trump in this case IS to deflect back to Clinton. And
it's pathetic. Matthews hyperbole is way off, but the gist of his point is
There's was a time when the left aka Dems. longed for Soviet interference
in elections.Lost in the drama surrounding Donald Trump’s ties
to Russia is old evidence of Ted Kennedy’s alleged dealings with the
Kremlin in the mid-1980s. You do know that Ted Kennedy conspired with the
Soviets in 1984 to oust Ronald Reagan from the White House, right?Dems
been doing it for years now all of a sudden the thought of Trump and it is only
a thought doing it has sent the left into an apoplectic fit. Hillarys camp did in fact collude with Ukraine to beat Trump. Dems and Media?
If Hillary won Provo would still have it's grandstanding congressman
Chaffetz and we all know he'd be bellowing about how he's standing up
for our Republic and against one of the most corrupt politicians of our time.Oh, and Chris B., when Obama won school districts were letting parents opt out
from having their kids hear his speech's and small town parades were
showing a lynched President to supporting crowds.
Nobody in Utah would be lighting bonfires anywhere about politics. Matthews is
incorrect. We might write letters, argue amongst ourselves, but no fires. We
reserve that privilege for the anarchist/progressive protestors in places like
Berkeley, Seattle, and Washington DC.
All the Trump defenders, and their use of the "Hillary did it too" or
the left is more violent than the right (without proof), show us is the extent
of the damage to the country that the President has done.When it
becomes okay for the President and his family to conspire with known Russian
agents and their familiars, we have lost our country. And for good, I might
argue. The President has offered us endless denials of any conspiracies, yet
the drip, drip, drip of the falsity of these Presidential claims continues
on.Many of us on the left initially just could not believe that
anyone would stoop so low as to engage with our global enemy, Russia, for the
purposes of winning an election. Dislike Trump intensely, Yes. But believe him
capable of such a monumental act, No. Kennedy and Gore in their pursuit of the
Presidency were offered Russian aid to win. Both denied that help and reported
it to the FBI. Not so with the Trump family cabal. Yet, here we are stuck with
a President who has lied about this and other matters.The US, and
particularly the "flyover" section of the country are indeed in trouble.
Defense of the President is unAmerican and unTruthful.
My side is never as bad as your side. NEVER.Party over country is always
the norm. For the left and the right.Stop doing the mental
gymnastics required to believe in your party.
The worst thing here is ... how the media twists these 'findings' -
WHY nobody talks about the truthfulness of the information? Matthews and
'hardball' lost it's importance when Buchanan left the program.
He lost his credibility to his 'liberal' views.
LDS Liberal: you speak of integrity. I have posted facts about the documented
Hillary Clinton collusion with a foreign government to meddle in our election.
Since you claim integrity, I eagerly await your calls to jail Hillary Clinton
and John Podesta, among others, for collusion with a foreign government.In case you missed it, I refer to the January story in Politico that
laid out in great detail, naming names and times, when DNC and Hillary campaign
consultant Alexandra Chalupa conspired to forge documents that had the effect of
forcing Trump's campaign manager to resign. These forged documents were
relentlessly pressed by the media and Clinton's campaign, only to be
quietly dropped once their true forged nature had been revealed--and after they
had done their dirty work. Not content with just Ukrainian
government meddling, the Clinton campaign also coordinated with an agent from
Great Britain with the infamous "Dossier" that we all know was
falsified. And the exact same "Russian Lawyer" that Trump Jr. is being
blamed for meeting has sat at the table of the Obama State Department during
Congressional Hearings. Why no jail for them?
Actually Chris Mathews it did happen with Hillary Clinton and it was covered up
until Politico ran a recent story on it then the Wall Street Journal and YOU
know it!! The fact that team Clinton met with Ukrainian goverment officials to
coordinate things hurtful to the Trump campaign did in fact happen. This was not
some nothing-burger meeting like Don Jr. -- this was a meeting with actual
foreign government officals exchanging real intel to damage Donald Trump.
Interesting that MSNBC and Chris Mathews covered that story up isn't it.
States like Utah would be 'going crazy' if Trump Jr. controversy
happened under Hillary Clinton=======Integrity --
consistent, true, equal, without bias.such as Good vs. Evil, right vs.
wrongStates like Utah SHOULD be 'going crazy' if Trump Jr.
controversy happened just like if it was under Hillary Clinton
Matthews should be aware that the looney left in Utah is going crazy because of
the 'collusion' foolishness. Of course that is a pretty small
percentage of the population, albeit half the Democrats.
Just like liberals, we conservatives are more outraged when our political
opponents do something wrong than when our political allies do them. But to
suggest that we would behave like the left does when it does not get its own
way, is going a bit too far. Having riots and setting things on fire is what
liberals do, not conservatives.Chris Matthews needs to take a good
look in the mirror. If this 'scandal' had happened under another
Clinton administration, he and the rest of the mainstream media would just
ignore it just like they have all the other scandals for the past 8 years. He
would not have given it a second thought, let alone devoted so many shows to it.
How soon we forget the DNC fixed the primary.
Trump Jr. was set up, and the minute he realized it, he left. It's not like
Trump flew to Phoenix to get the Department of justice to refuse to prosecute
something a family member had done that violated U.S. law.
We must remember right-wingers like Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingraham, Savage, Levin,
Hewitt, even G. Gordon Liddy made hating the Clintons into a billion-dollar
industry.Of course people in the hinterlands would be wanting to
march around with Hillary's head on a pitchfork if the situation were
reversed. They would be gleeful in doing that even if Hillary didn't
collude with any Russians.Similarly, if Limbaugh, Hannity, Ingraham,
Savage, Levin, Hewitt, even G. Gordon Liddy spent the last 25 years advocating
people wear flared, orange bellbottoms everyday to show their patriotism,
we'd be seeing millions of people in orange bellbottoms. That's how
propaganda works.Utah is rapidly turning more blue. Matthews could
have mentioned a lot more appropriate states than Utah.
Party over Country at all costs!
Is Chris Mathews still on tv ranting away? Shocking. More shocking still is that
Well, let's examine this, Chris Matthews. What if Hillary Clinton was
found to be conspiring with a foreign government to affect the election? Would
we Republicans be setting fires in front of Federal buildings?Fortunately, we can test this. Politico reported in January with names and
dates that the Hillary Campaign had openly colluded with the government of
Ukraine to falsify documents that resulted in Trump's campaign manager
Monofort to resign. Ukraine has admitted they meddled in our election and
worked hand in glove with the DNC and the Hillary camp to try to get her
elected. This is fact. Alexandra Chalupa is the name of the go-to coordinator
between Ukraine and the DNC and Hillary's campaign.So, given
that Hillary did in fact conspire and collude with foreign powers to sway the
election, can anyone point out the fires and riots from Republicans? Anyone?
Bueller? Incidentally, why isn't Hillary and Podesta in jail for doing
this? Oh, wait: another example of the "Laws don't apply to
But now the evidence is out, Hillary has colluded, with actual evidence, with a
foreign power to influence the election.
Exhibit A that Chris Matthews doesn't understand flyover country.
I do not believe I have ever agreed with Chris Matthews. He is overly loyal to
the Left and he lets his loyalty cloud truth.But in this case
Matthews is absolutely correct. Who can argue that is Hillary Clinton had met
with Russians to consider information that could be used against political
opponents, that people here in Utah would be upset? Absolutely we would be
upset and calling for an investigation.
Controversy happened all the time with Hillary, and thanks to Bill and Loretta
Lynch, nothing happened. Republicans should be given a pass for all that was
ignored the past eight years.
Mr. Matthews- Places who believe the nonsense put out on the "fake news"
networks are upset about Trump's alleged antics and "going crazy"
as a result.Had the "fake news" media not been totally in
the tank for Obama and Clinton for the last eight years, perhaps there would
have been justifiable outrage over their actions which many believe were not
just unethical but illegal. -- Obama's meddling in the Israeli
elections has been nearly a top secret.-- Clinton's cozy
contributions from Russian interests to their "foundation" and
outlandish $500,000 "speaking fee" to Bill, and subsequent sweetheart
deal for U.S. uranium certainly stinks a lot more than anything (or everything)
Trump is alleged to have done.-- Even Republican McCain's involvement
in bringing the bogus "Trump dossier" allegations out has been largely
unreported.The complicity of the news media in pushing the liberal
agenda and misleading the American people is the greatest story never told, but
will eventually surface in history books documenting the demise of American
civilization.Conservatives are very reluctant to engage in political
violence, but not the other side.
Yeah Chris. Just like they have before. Oh wait. There's never been any
incidents like that. On what are you basing you wild (and false) accusations?
Chris Matthews forgets that nearly all violent outbursts at different
demonstrations over the last many years have been the lefties. College campuses
protesting conservative speakers, black lives matter, anti-trump rallies have
been violent episode after violent episode.What did the
conservatives do when Barack won? Walked disappointingly back to their homes
and kept living productive lives. Liberals like Chris Matthews and
the kind would be wise to follow our example.