Morning links: BYU football has chance at 10-win season; Mitchell shines; LaVell Edwards remembered at ESPYs

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  • RR Omaha, NE
    July 17, 2017 12:32 p.m.

    I'll be the 100th comment!

    100 comments on a hypothetical scenario. Jealousy sure brings home the bacon doesn't it DN?!

    Even in the middle of the summer, all BYU followers have shown their addiction to BYU. Are you tantalizing these people with chocolate or is BYU just that fun to follow? 100 comments proves the FACT the latter is true.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    July 16, 2017 10:27 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Every team commands Utah's attention,..."

    LOL!

    Alabama couldn't have cared less about playing U in the Sugar Bowl.

    The Tide was totally focused on playing for a national championship, and they were bitterly disappointed when they were upset by Florida and were stuck playing a lowly mid-major nobody in a consolation bowl.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 15, 2017 3:14 p.m.

    BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    July 14, 2017 4:44 p.m.
    Uteology

    "Nope, it's not like "disinterested" Utah playing BYU in Vegas."

    That's gotta be one of silliest comments ever posted on this blog.

    The Utes have NEVER been "disinterested" when competing against BYU in any activity, any where, any time.

    BYU ALWAYS commands Utah's TOTAL attention.

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    Every team commands Utah's attention, BYU isn't an exception. In Vegas, BYU commanded Utah's attention for about 8 minutes.

    As far as Utah being interested in competing against BYU:

    * Utah football was "disinterested" in competing against BYU in 2014 and 2015 Vegas Bowl. We demoted to Vegas, we had no interest in playing BYU in Vegas.

    * Utah basketball was "disinterested" in 2016.

    On 2015 Vegas bowl:

    "Co-offensive coordinator Aaron Roderick said he entered the facility Monday ready to energize players who might be downtrodden [playing BYU in Vegas]."

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 14, 2017 9:35 p.m.

    Lone*Star - Austin, TX
    July 14, 2017 2:59 p.m.
    Said:

    ""@wacpaddled

    "You bash the PAC 12 yet schedule to play their teams."

    LOL a your inconsistency, since it was you who was bashing the SEC for "losing its luster", then whining when it's proven that the PAC 12 has the "least luster" of any of the P5 conferences.

    "You brag about playing SEC teams like nobody else plays them."

    The Utes haven't scheduled a single game against an SEC team since 1985.""

    Lol! you call that bashing? No wonder some BYU fans are so delusional.
    Even your beloved ESPN has said the SEC has lost some of its charm.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2017 9:10 p.m.

    @Sport

    It's hilarious how you constantly ignore Utah's pathetic history of actual accomplishments on a national scale, in favor of hand-picked, isolated results.

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    Isolated results?

    No I don't. I concede Utah build its program in the 1990s. We became nationally relevant in 2003 and became a top 25 P5 program over the last 3 years.

    Its funny how you have constantly dig up Edwards accomplishments to show your relevance. Since he retired:

    Top 10: Utah 2 (BYU 0)
    Top 25: 7 (5)
    Avg: #15 (#19)

    BCS: Utah 2 (0)
    CFP: 16 (0)

    Two 11+ top 15 MWC champs?

    Western Michigan can match you this year.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2017 4:48 p.m.

    TrueBlue

    My comment: "You've missed the point entirely. Suggestion...Go look at the opponents of Utah's opponents last year, regardless of whether Utah beat them or lost to them. "

    Your reply: "It's hilarious that Utah fans didn't apply the same standard to Oklahoma after BYU had beaten the then #3-ranked Sooners. Nor have they applied that standard to any of the other NUMEROUS P5 teams BYU has beaten in the last few seasons."
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    You won't find comments like that from me. I do think you'd have to admit that BYU has had a way of getting W's on P5's when they happen to have a down year - not always, but several times now. That said, I'm not one to knock those wins or losses for the very reason we're discussing. Even in their down years, teams like Oklahoma, Texas, Michigan St, Mississippi St, etc, are significantly better than G5 teams with similar W/L records. In fact it's likely that those teams would finish at or near the top of G5 conferences on those same "down years." My earlier comment on this article showing the P5 record vs G5 #1's last year makes that point quite easily.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    July 14, 2017 4:44 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Nope, it's not like "disinterested" Utah playing BYU in Vegas."

    That's gotta be one of silliest comments ever posted on this blog.

    The Utes have NEVER been "disinterested" when competing against BYU in any activity, any where, any time.

    BYU ALWAYS commands Utah's TOTAL attention.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2017 4:17 p.m.

    Lone*Star - Austin, TX
    July 14, 2017 2:43 p.m.
    Uteology

    "In 2004, even a beat-down by USC means 11-1 season means BCS."

    NOPE!

    You would have also lost to California and finished no better than third in the conference.

    "In 2008, we destroyed #6 Alabama and beat #7 TCU, #18 Oregon State, and #25 BYU."

    Irrelevant, because you wouldn't have been playing disinterested USC or Oregon teams who didn't take lowly non-BCS teams like U seriously.

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    Nope, it's not like "disinterested" Utah playing BYU in Vegas.

    Why? Because the discussion was IF Utah was playing in PAC-10 in 2004 and 2008.

    Nope, in 2004 California lost to 8-4 Texas Tech, they would lose to a Smith & Meyer Ute team.

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    July 14, 2017 4:09 p.m.

    motorbike

    "You've missed the point entirely. Suggestion...Go look at the opponents of Utah's opponents last year, regardless of whether Utah beat them or lost to them. "

    It's hilarious that Utah fans didn't apply the same standard to Oklahoma after BYU had beaten the then #3-ranked Sooners.

    Nor have they applied that standard to any of the other NUMEROUS P5 teams BYU has beaten in the last few seasons.

    The Ute fan hypocrisy when it comes to evaluating Utah's opponents versus BYU's opponents is absolutely hysterical.

  • Jello is Good ,
    July 14, 2017 3:45 p.m.

    @Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2017 1:34 p.m.

    "Just don't throw garbage at our officials please."

    So they are YOUR officials? That explains a lot.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    July 14, 2017 2:59 p.m.

    @wacpaddled

    "You bash the PAC 12 yet schedule to play their teams."

    LOL a your inconsistency, since it was you who was bashing the SEC for "losing its luster", then whining when it's proven that the PAC 12 has the "least luster" of any of the P5 conferences.

    "You brag about playing SEC teams like nobody else plays them."

    The Utes haven't scheduled a single game against an SEC team since 1985.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2017 2:58 p.m.

    DeepBlue

    "SIX of Utah's eight wins versus FBS teams last season came against opponents with 7 or more losses, with USC and BYU being the ONLY exceptions. Now if all that matters to some of you is having a nice big number next to "Total Wins" at the end of the season, while ignoring the records of the opponents next to the "W"s...well, we can see why Utah fans were ecstatic about their record last season."
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    You've missed the point entirely. Suggestion...Go look at the opponents of Utah's opponents last year, regardless of whether Utah beat them or lost to them. After you do that, do the same thing for the 8 horrible teams BYU plays this year. Now ask yourself honestly whether the wins and losses of those 8 teams look remotely the same as the wins and losses of the teams Utah played. If you don't want to go through all that, just look at Hawaii at 7-7 last year (the best of the 8 teams I'm talking about). Look at who they played...wins and losses. Then come back and tell me if Hawaii's opponents look remotely close to the opponents of all the teams on Utah's schedule not named San Jose St or SUU.
    I won't bother holding my breath for an honest response.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    July 14, 2017 2:43 p.m.

    Uteology

    "In 2004, even a beat-down by USC means 11-1 season means BCS."

    NOPE!

    You would have also lost to California and finished no better than third in the conference.

    "In 2008, we destroyed #6 Alabama and beat #7 TCU, #18 Oregon State, and #25 BYU."

    Irrelevant, because you wouldn't have been playing disinterested USC or Oregon teams who didn't take lowly non-BCS teams like U seriously.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    July 14, 2017 2:23 p.m.

    Uteology

    "11+ seasons mean diddly..."

    Only because the Utes have practically diddly 11+ win seasons in their entire history,

    NONE before 2004,

    which was the first time Utah had a Top 20 ranked, conference championship team.

    Coincidence?

    Utah's history of Top 20 ranked, conference championship teams proves otherwise.

    Here's a little clue:

    The Utes will NEVER, EVER, not in a million years, earn a CFP berth without winning at least 11 games during the regular season.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2017 2:15 p.m.

    factcheck

    "Why do you, and other Ute fans, comment on BYU articles?"
    ----------
    Quite honestly, I check out BYU articles because;

    1) BYU is still Utah's rival...yes it's changed a bit, but BYU and Utah will always be tied together to some degree.
    2) Because it never ceases to amaze me at how BYU fans think. Not all BYU fans, but certainly a large majority of those who comment here. In other words, it's like the train wreck that's hard to turn away from.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 14, 2017 2:10 p.m.

    CG - Provo, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:54 a.m.
    Riverton Cougar

    re: "Yawn. The SEC lost its luster a few years ago. Its not the dominant conference any more. Has its share of garbage teams."

    It's funny how the kids on the hill just throw stuff out there to see what'll stick.

    As posted previously:

    National Championships won since 2005:

    SEC - 8 (FIVE different teams have won national championships)
    ACC - 2
    Big Ten - 1
    Big 12 - 1
    PAC 12 - 0

    Last PAC 12 team not named USC to win a National Championship - Washington 1991

    Last PAC 12 team not named USC to finish #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls - NONE

    Without USC, there would be no luster in the PAC 12.

    BYU has won more consensus National Championships (#1 in BOTH major polls)

    than all of the teams in the PAC 12 not named USC, COMBINED.
    __________

    It's funny how the kids in Provoland just throw stuff out there to see what'll stick.
    You bash the PAC12 yet schedule to play their teams.
    You brag about playing SEC teams like nobody else plays them.

    And yet with all the pomp, fanfare, and hall of lame awards. You are still on the outside looking in.

  • MRM Ogden, UT
    July 14, 2017 2:09 p.m.

    Uteology

    "That would put Utah at #7 in PAC-12 play, by definition "middle" of the conference."

    NOPE!

    By definition, bottom half of the PAC 12, and the only team in your division that hasn't played in the CCG.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2017 2:05 p.m.

    phoenix

    It's amusing that you think P5 and G5 records are equal when most years the 8th and lower teams in P5s would compete at or near the top of G5s.
    P5s vs G5 #1s in 2016:

    CONF RANK/TEAM/GAME LOC/CONF RANK/TEAM
    #10 Wake Forest - Neutral field W - #1 Temple
    #1 Penn St - Home W - #1 Temple
    #10 Vanderbilt - Road W - #1 (2 tied) W Kentucky
    #1 Alabama - Home W - #1 (2 tied) W Kentucky
    #9 NC State - Home W - #1 (2 tied) Old Dominion
    #10 UCLA - Road W - #1 BYU
    #1 BYU - Neutral field W - #12 Arizona
    #6 Utah - Home W - #1 BYU
    #3 WVU - Neutral field W - #1 BYU
    #1 BYU - Road W - #12 MSU
    #1 BYU - Home W - #10 Miss St
    #1 W Michigan - Road W - #8/#11 from B10. Lost Neutral to #2 Wisc
    #8 Baylor - Neutral field W - #1 (4-tied) Boise St
    #14 Rutgers - Home W - #1 (4-tied) N Mexico
    #6 Nebraska - Home W - #1 (4-tied) Wyoming
    #1 (4-tied) SDSU - Home W - #8 Cal
    # 3 Auburn - Home W - #1 (2-tied) Ark St
    #5 Tennessee - Home W - #1 (2-tied) Appalachian St
    #6 Miami - Road W #1 (2-tied) Appalachian St

    That's 14-5 for P5s averaging #8 in their conf. Home field is in P5s favor but P5s were still 6-3 in just road and neutral site games.

    But lets keep pretending P5 and G5 records are remotely equal.

  • MRM Ogden, UT
    July 14, 2017 2:05 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Is a "reigning" top 25 P5 program..."

    There's no such thing as a "reigning" Top 25 program, but thanks for playing.

    "Reigning" in sports, is defined as winning a championship of some sort, which the Utes have only done SIX times in the last six DECADES, none since you became a "mighty" weak P5, incapable of even winning a division title.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2017 1:51 p.m.

    CG - Provo, UT
    July 14, 2017 1:18 p.m.
    Uteology

    If Utah had played in the PAC 12 in 2004 and 2008, the Utes wouldn't have even won a division title - USC would have destroyed U in 2004, and USC and Oregon would have destroyed you in 2008.

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    In 2004, even a beat-down by USC means 11-1 season means BCS.

    In 2008, we destroyed #6 Alabama and beat #7 TCU, #18 Oregon State, and #25 BYU.

    The 2008 #3 USC team lost to #18 Oregon State.
    The 2008 #10 Oregon team lost to Boise, Cal, and USC.

    It's not like we're BYU and incapable of beating top 25 teams:

    * BYU 6 wins since 1972
    * Utah 15 wins since 1990

    So highly unlikely, so Utah ties USC at 8-1 and 12-1 and again we're headed to a BCS berth.

  • Jello is Good ,
    July 14, 2017 1:36 p.m.

    @mussingaround - Palo Alto, CA
    July 14, 2017 12:05 p.m.

    "National Championships won since 2005:

    PAC 12 - 8 (FIVE different teams have won national championships)
    ACC - 2
    Big Ten - 1
    Big 12 - 1
    SEC - 0"

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    What on earth are you talking about? OK, let's talk PAC 12 and not Utah as they are not represented when talking National Championships.

    Going back to BYU's National Championship in 1984 (Which is ancient history by the opinion of many trolls.) Only two PAC teams have won a share of a national championship, even if it was later vacated.

    USC's 2004 championship was vacated for cheating.

    UW won a share of the national championship in 1991.

    During that time:

    SEC - 12
    ACC - 7
    Big 12 - 6
    Big 10 - 4
    PAC 12 - 2 (1 shared and 1 vacated for cheating)
    Independent - 1
    BYU - 1

    Spoiler alert - Utah will not be challenging this year either.

  • northern_lights Ogden, UT
    July 14, 2017 1:35 p.m.

    Uteology

    "10-3 #10 1994 Utah was BEST team that season in the WAC."

    Yet, U still didn't win 11 games or a WAC title, because you were incapable of beating conference bottom dweller New Mexico(5-7).

    btw, it's absolutely hysterical how you're forced to ignore most of the last 60 years of college football, just because the Utes were so pathetic that you didn't even have a double-digit win season until 1994.

    Remind us how many bowls the Utes played in from 1965 to 1991.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2017 1:34 p.m.

    Jello is Good - ,
    July 14, 2017 1:19 p.m.
    @Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2017 12:42 p.m.

    "I sleep pretty well at night knowing Utah is a top 25 P5 program."

    WAS a top 25 P5 program. They are predicted by most to be lucky to get 6 wins and be bowl eligible. Insomnia?

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    Is a "reigning" top 25 P5 program who will win SEVEN straight! Nightmares?

    Just don't throw garbage at our officials please.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2017 1:24 p.m.

    RichDaddy - Lewis Center, OH
    July 14, 2017 11:10 a.m.
    @Uteology

    Interesting how you left off Utah's record in the Pac-12 since joining in 2011: 25-29 or 46%, just two wins higher than what you consider to be a "bottom feeder".

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    That would put Utah at #7 in PAC-12 play, by definition "middle" of the conference.

    While BYU is 30% #11 just ahead of 29% Cal and 24% Colorado.

  • Jello is Good ,
    July 14, 2017 1:19 p.m.

    @Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2017 12:42 p.m.

    "I sleep pretty well at night knowing Utah is a top 25 P5 program."

    WAS a top 25 P5 program. They are predicted by most to be lucky to get 6 wins and be bowl eligible. Insomnia?

  • CG Provo, UT
    July 14, 2017 1:18 p.m.

    Uteology

    If Utah had played in the PAC 12 in 2004 and 2008, the Utes wouldn't have even won a division title - USC would have destroyed U in 2004, and USC and Oregon would have destroyed you in 2008.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2017 1:14 p.m.

    MRM - Ogden, UT
    July 14, 2017 12:50 p.m.
    Uteology

    None of your biased stats prove anything, because you haven't even begun to simulate
    a "true P5 schedule", which, by definition, would be home-and-home series with the same mixture of teams every season.

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    What? You mean like comparing G5 BYU results vs G5 Utah/Boise/TCU results?

    I think it's pretty clear. BYU is ~40% vs P5 and Utah/Boise/TCU are all over ~70%.

    Which explains why:

    * Utah: BCS 2-0 CFP 16 of 16
    * TCU: BCS 1-1 CFP 10 of 16
    * Boise: BCS 3-0 CFP 7 of 16
    * BYU: BCS 0-0 CFP 0 of 16

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2017 12:55 p.m.

    @CG

    BYU has won more consensus National Championships (#1 in BOTH major polls)

    than all of the teams in the PAC 12 not named USC, COMBINED.

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    You would won a "participation trophy" playing PAC-12 teams COMBINED:

    * BYU is 28-42 40% vs PAC-12
    * TWO wins over top 25 teams

    And that's playing 1-3 PAC-12 teams a year, not 9 teams.

  • MRM Ogden, UT
    July 14, 2017 12:50 p.m.

    Uteology

    None of your biased stats prove anything, because you haven't even begun to simulate
    a "true P5 schedule", which, by definition, would be home-and-home series with the same mixture of teams every season.

    Breakdown of a "true P5 schedule", Utah style:

    Two gimmes (Big Sky and MWC bottom feeder).
    A rivalry toss up.
    Five or six games against conference bottom dwellers with 6 to 10 losses.
    Three or four games against quality P5s.

    Built in 5 to 7 wins, before the season begins.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2017 12:42 p.m.

    @Whatsnu

    Bottom line:

    It really doesn't matter how many upset wins you have over ranked opponents when you're constantly losing to the worst teams in your conference - 1994 is proof of that - no conference championship, no 11+ win season.

    Spin it however helps U sleep at night with your carefully chosen, misleading stats,

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    10-3 #10 1994 Utah was BEST team that season in the WAC.

    11+ seasons mean diddly...

    During BCS/CFP era:

    * 11+ seasons: Utah 2 (BYU 4)
    * Conference titles: Utah 4 (BYU 4)

    More Importantly:
    * Top 25 rankings: Utah 7... avg #15 (BYU 5...avg #19)
    * Top 25 wins: Utah 11 (BYU 3)
    * Major bowl wins: Utah 2 (BYU 0)

    Utah's rankings were "earned", BYU beat up cupcakes and waited for teams to lose (just like in 1984).

    I sleep pretty well at night knowing Utah is a top 25 P5 program.

  • MRM Ogden, UT
    July 14, 2017 12:28 p.m.

    mussingaround

    re: "It would be HYSTERICAL to see how our jealous Utah friends would react, if we switched just a couple of names and the blogger had been an SEC fan:"

    We all know how they'd react.

    This blog would see an apocalyptic meltdown of epic proportions with reams and reams of stats and figures to prove how utterly clueless that statement was.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2017 12:24 p.m.

    BlueCoug - Provo, UT
    July 14, 2017 9:42 a.m.
    @TD Utes

    "There's absolutely no chance of BYU winning 10 games if they played a true P5 strength of schedule."

    Pure speculation, without an ounce of proof to back it up….BYU has already proven since 2006, that they're more than capable of hanging with the "big boys"

    --------------------- ---------------------

    Speculation?

    No, we have a lot of research to back it up. Let’s ignore talent, depth and coaching and just look at results:

    Since 2006-2016 vs P5:

    * BYU (21-23 48%) (0 top 25 wins) (3 top 25 rankings)
    ACC 3-4, Big-10 2-2, Big-12 3-2, PAC-12 11-12, SEC 2-1, ND 0-2

    * Boise (24-6 80%) (6 top 25 wins) (8 top 25 rankings)
    2-0, 0-1, 1-1, 10-3, 1-1, 0-0

    * Utah (34-33 51%) (8 top 25 wins) (5 top 25 rankings)
    1-0, 3-0, 1-0, 28-32, 1-0, 0-1

    * TCU (40-27 60%) (6 to 25 wins) (7 top 25 rankings)
    3-0, 3-1, 29-23, 4-0, 1-3, 0-0

    Your P5 record should be at least as good as Boise, through BYU's history your record vs P5 is about 42%.

    Utah as G5 from 2003-2010 was 70%, similar to G5 Boise and TCU.

    Conclusion, BYU would be a "bottom feeder" in a P5 league.

  • Chamberlain Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2017 12:21 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar

    "So, if even the SEC -- deemed by most NCAA football fans to be the best/deepest -- has its share of garbage teams, then maybe 9-10 P5 teams on a schedule isn't really as great as it sounds since that schedule still has its share of garbage teams."

    Even P5 bowl opponents aren't necessarily that "great".

    The Utes beat Indiana (6-7) by TWO points in the Foster Farms Bowl.

    Indiana barely beat Michigan State, at home, by three points, in OT.

    BYU destroyed the Spartans 31-14 at Michigan St.

    So, how good, really, was Indiana, a team that hasn't won a bowl game in 30 years?

    Yet, that was Utah's third best win in 2016, behind USC and BYU.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    July 14, 2017 12:05 p.m.

    It would be HYSTERICAL to see how our jealous Utah friends would react, if we switched just a couple of names and the blogger had been an SEC fan:

    "Yawn. The PAC 12 lost its luster a few years ago. Its not the dominant conference any more. Has its share of garbage teams."

    National Championships won since 2005:

    PAC 12 - 8 (FIVE different teams have won national championships)
    ACC - 2
    Big Ten - 1
    Big 12 - 1
    SEC - 0

  • CG Provo, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:54 a.m.

    Riverton Cougar

    re: "Yawn. The SEC lost its luster a few years ago. Its not the dominant conference any more. Has its share of garbage teams."

    It's funny how the kids on the hill just throw stuff out there to see what'll stick.

    As posted previously:

    National Championships won since 2005:

    SEC - 8 (FIVE different teams have won national championships)
    ACC - 2
    Big Ten - 1
    Big 12 - 1
    PAC 12 - 0

    Last PAC 12 team not named USC to win a National Championship - Washington 1991

    Last PAC 12 team not named USC to finish #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls - NONE

    Without USC, there would be no luster in the PAC 12.

    BYU has won more consensus National Championships (#1 in BOTH major polls)

    than all of the teams in the PAC 12 not named USC, COMBINED.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:23 a.m.

    "Yawn. The SEC lost its luster a few years ago. Its not the dominant conference any more. Has its share of garbage teams."

    But wait, haven't we been hearing all along that P5 teams aren't garbage teams?

    So, if even the SEC -- deemed by most NCAA football fans to be the best/deepest -- has its share of garbage teams, then maybe 9-10 P5 teams on a schedule isn't really as great as it sounds since that schedule still has its share of garbage teams.

  • CV Storm Hyrum, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:20 a.m.

    I know this comment is somewhat late in the process, but for the life of me I cannot see 10 wins for BYU. I can see them going 7-5 fairly easy, but 10-2? I also checked out the Utes and it appears they are staring right down the barrel of a 5-7 season, so I hope their fans don't get too uppity about records.

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:19 a.m.

    Uteology

    "They'll do exactly what BYU has been doing its entire history, be a bottom feeder."

    It's hilarious how you constantly ignore Utah's pathetic history of actual accomplishments on a national scale, in favor of hand-picked, isolated results.

    Your "pay no attention to the man behind the curtain" act is wearing thin.

    National Championships
    BYU 1, Utah 0

    Heisman Trophies
    BYU 1, Utah 0

    National Hall of Fame Players
    BYU 6, Utah 0

    Nation's Best QB, Best Passer, Best RB, and Best Interior Lineman Awards
    BYU 15, Utah 0

    All-time 11+ win seasons
    BYU 11, Utah 2

    All-time 10+ win seasons
    BYU 16, Utah 7

    All-time 9+ win seasons
    BYU 24, Utah 12

    All-time AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 17, Utah 8

    All-time AP Top 100
    #34 BYU, #63 Utah

    Talk about being a bottom feeder,

    Utah has had fewer 11+ win, Top 15 seasons in their entire 123 season history (TWO).

    than BYU has since 2006 (THREE).

  • RichDaddy Lewis Center, OH
    July 14, 2017 11:10 a.m.

    @Uteology

    Interesting how you left off Utah's record in the Pac-12 since joining in 2011: 25-29 or 46%, just two wins higher than what you consider to be a "bottom feeder".

  • factcheck Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2017 11:01 a.m.

    motorbike- I actually did a copy and paste from your comment. Not sure how that is putting words in your mouth. Agree about preseason SOS, you just never know. Utah's was much higher before the season last year than the final ranking. Who knew the Arizona schools would be so awful. Many predicted UCLA to make the playoffs. I also remember some article last year that ranked BYU's schedule the 15th hardest in the country. Who knew Miss St and Michigan St would struggle and that Arizona would be that horrible.
    I do have one question. Why do you, and other Ute fans, comment on BYU articles? I guess that is part of the rivalry and it is great. It doesn't bother me, I am just curious. I don't think I have ever commented on Utes articles. I actually don't think I have even read more than a couple over the past 20 years.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2017 10:29 a.m.

    @Whatsnu
    @skywalker

    @BlueHusky - Mission Viejo, CA

    Could BYU be competitive in the PAC12, as opposed to Colorado? During the Mendenhall crazy years (last 4 or 5), no. Before that, sure. Now we'll see how BYU does under Sitake and Detmer.

    ------------------

    They'll do exactly what BYU has been doing its entire history, be a bottom feeder.

    * Edwards: 12-18 40% ... TWO wins vs top 25 ... 8 of 12 (67%) wins were vs "bottom feeders".

    * Bronco: 9-12 42% ... ZERO wins vs top 25 ... 6 of 9 (66%) wins were vs "bottom feeders"

    For comparison, Meyer/Whittingham 2003-2010 as G5 vs PAC-10:
    * 7-3 70% (1-2 33% vs top 25) ... wins: 9-4, 8-5, 8-5, 8-6, 6-7, 3-8, 3-8

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2017 10:07 a.m.

    factcheck

    My comment: "I don't care if anyone, including CBS, has BYU's season ranked 41st or whatever other number."

    Your comment: "I agree, what does CBS sports know about college football and SOS. The Ute fans who troll BYU articles are the real experts!"

    My response: Try to keep up, the point I was making had absolutely nothing to do with an overall SOS ranking THUS the reason I said I don't care what CBS thinks BYU's SOS is at this point. In other words I'm not disagreeing with anyone's overall preseason SOS prediction, I'm simply saying that 8 opponents on BYU's schedule were among the worst in college football last year and would need to make giant leaps forward to be considered formidable opponents in 2017. As for the other 5 opponents, different story which is also why someone might put BYU's SOS at 41.

    Now having said that, and since you decided to put words in my mouth, I'll go ahead and say I highly doubt BYU's SOS will end up being as high as 41...my guess is it'll be closer to 60. But like I said, I really don't care about that and it's not what I was talking about, I'm talking about the 8 win-in-your-sleep games on BYU's schedule.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    July 14, 2017 9:42 a.m.

    @TD Utes

    "There's absolutely no chance of BYU winning 10 games if they played a true P5 strength of schedule."

    Pure speculation, without an ounce of proof to back it up.

    Given a steady diet of home-and-home games with the same teams year after year, in other words, a "true P5 schedule", BYU has already proven since 2006, that they're more than capable of hanging with the "big boys" - Oklahoma, Nebraska, Texas, Michigan St, Mississippi St, Ole Miss, UCLA, Oregon, Oregon St, and others.

    btw, before you start dissecting the records of each of those teams in a frantic attempt to minimize BYU's wins over those teams, remind us how many P5 teams with winning records Utah beat in 2016.

  • Voodohound-WIS Waukesha, WI
    July 14, 2017 8:58 a.m.

    "TouchdownUtes - Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2017 2:50 p.m.
    There's absolutely no chance of BYU winning 10 games if they played a true P5 strength of schedule. Playing only 4 P5 teams this season and being left to play powder-puffs would give them a chance of winning 8 or 9 games....and wait until the end of the season when the SOS is measured and see that BYU has a SOS ranking of say 65th or 70th in the country.....(last year they were ranked 63rd).....The point is.....BYU has a built-in 6 or 7 wins a year....."

    If we are all being honest, many of the P5 teams are cupcakes and are baked in wins for the top tier teams. Boise St is better, year in and year out, than 75% if not more P5 teams. Just because a team has the label of P5 doesn't mean they are superior. And if we are still having an honest conversation , BYU is a P5 caliber team but doesn't carry the label. Interesting how college football discriminates by that designation.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    July 14, 2017 8:43 a.m.

    Uteology

    "P5 games are not a "gimme", specially when playing a 9-10 P5 schedule."

    LOL at your whiny excuses.

    You're still unwilling to accept the fundamental reason Utah is so pathetic at winning conference championships and having 11+ win seasons...

    your inability to beat conference bottom dwellers.

    Doesn't matter whether you consider them gimmes, or not, constant losses to 7+ loss conference bottom dweller like WAC (New Mexico), the MWC (UNLV), or the PAC 12 (Colorado), are the common factor in Utah only being able to win SIX conference championships in the last 6 decades and only being able to win 11+ games in a season TWICE in your entire history.

    Bottom line:

    It really doesn't matter how many upset wins you have over ranked opponents when you're constantly losing to the worst teams in your conference - 1994 is proof of that - no conference championship, no 11+ win season.

    Spin it however helps U sleep at night with your carefully chosen, misleading stats,

    but that's reality.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 14, 2017 8:19 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Since the 2-10 UNLV loss, Utah is 61-7 vs G5 90%"

    yawn...

    How many teams with losing records have the Utes lost to since 2007?

    How many G5's with winning records have the Utes beaten on the road since 2011?

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    July 14, 2017 8:12 a.m.

    re: talkin' sports: "Perhaps U can believe that winning 18 games, since 1972, is better than winning 26."

    ----------------

    @Uteology

    "It is when Edwards won 22 (85%) of those wins."

    Right, because head coaches are THE most import factor when making program comparisons...

    or, at least it is, when that's the only whiny excuse you can think of.

    btw, how many ranked conference championship teams,

    in their entire history,

    would the Utes have if Urban Meyer's championships didn't "count"?

    Here's a clue:

    ONE!

    In Utah's entire 123 season history.

  • factcheck Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2017 7:28 a.m.

    Motorbike:
    "I don't care if anyone, including CBS, has BYU's season ranked 41st or whatever other number."

    I agree, what does CBS sports know about college football and SOS. The Ute fans who troll BYU articles are the real experts!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 13, 2017 11:58 p.m.

    @poyman

    After beating #11 Oregon(9-4) and #14 Colorado St(10-2) on the road, New Mexico(5-7) appeared to be a gimme. Utah LOST to the Lobos 21-23, denying the Utes a WAC championship...

    After beating #19 Oregon(9-4) 62-20, Arizona(7-6) should've been a gimme; but no.

    ---------------

    LOL

    * Since the 2-10 UNLV loss, Utah is 61-7 vs G5 90%.

    * Utah's only losses were to top 25 teams: #2/#6 TCU, #10 Boise, #12/#14/#16 BYU, #16 USU.

    Over same period BYU has SEVEN losses to unranked/bottom feeding G5 teams alone.

    P5 games are not a "gimme", specially when playing a 9-10 P5 schedule. Since 2011, BYU is 8-5 62% vs PAC-12 "bottom feeders".

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 13, 2017 11:27 p.m.

    talkinsports - Gilbert, AZ
    July 13, 2017 11:11 a.m.
    TouchdownUtes

    Perhaps U can believe that winning 18 games, since 1972, is better than winning 26.

    ----------------

    It is when Edwards won 22 (85%) of those wins.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    July 13, 2017 11:19 p.m.

    motorbike

    "Now if all that matters to some of you is a nice big number next to "Total Wins" at the end of the season while ignoring the team names next to the "W"s...well you ought to be ecstatic this year."

    Opponent Records of Utah's 2016 wins versus FBS
    9-4
    4-8
    10-3
    3-9
    4-8
    4-8
    5-7
    6-7

    SIX of Utah's eight wins versus FBS teams last season came against opponents with 7 or more losses, with USC and BYU being the ONLY exceptions.

    Now if all that matters to some of you is having a nice big number next to "Total Wins" at the end of the season, while ignoring the records of the opponents next to the "W"s...well, we can see why Utah fans were ecstatic about their record last season.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    July 13, 2017 10:50 p.m.

    wacpaddled

    "The SEC lost its luster a few years ago. Its not the dominant conference any more. Has its share of garbage teams."

    So does the PAC 12... have its share of garbage teams every year.

    But, unlike the PAC 12, the SEC is in the National Championship race EVERY year.

    National Championships won during the Whittingham era:

    SEC - 8 (FIVE different teams have won national championships)
    ACC - 2
    Big Ten - 1
    Big 12 - 1
    PAC 12 - 0

    Last PAC 12 team not named USC to win a National Championship - Washington 1991

    Last PAC 12 team not named USC to finish #1 in both the AP and Coaches polls - NONE

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 13, 2017 10:32 p.m.

    motorbike

    "It's comical that you'd attempt to compare what I'm talking about in my comments (the eight gimmes on BYU's schedule)"

    What's comical is Utah fans claiming to be all-knowing regarding which games are gimmes.

    Matchups aren't always as cut-and-dried as they appear to be on paper.

    Cases in point:

    After beating #11 Oregon(9-4) and #14 Colorado St(10-2) on the road, New Mexico(5-7) appeared to be a gimme. Utah LOST to the Lobos 21-23, denying the Utes a WAC championship.

    After destroying UCLA(6-7) 44-6, 10-loss UNLV appeared to be a gimme. The Rebels shut out Utah 0-27.

    After winning at #25 BYU(8-5), 10-loss Colorado should've been a gimme. Utah lost, AT HOME.

    After beating #10 Stanford(10-3), Washington St(6-7) appeared to be an easy win. The Cougars beat the Utes 37-49.

    A win at #10 UCLA(9-3) would seem to indicate that Washington St(3-9) would be a gimme; another loss to a gimme.

    After beating #19 Oregon(9-4) 62-20, Arizona(7-6) should've been a gimme; but no.

    After beating unranked, but later to be #3 USC, Oregon(4-8) became the latest gimme to beat Utah.

    Did you honestly predict ANY of those gimmes?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2017 8:25 p.m.

    Clearing up what I mean when I say BYU already has 8 wins this year:

    TEAM / 2016 RECORD / CONF / NOTES
    Portland St/3-8/Big Sky/Bad FCS team
    USU/3-9/MWC/One of three wins was Weber St
    ECU/3-9/AAC/One win was a bad FCS team
    SJSU/4-8/MWC/One win was a bad FCS team
    Fresno St/1-11/MWC/Only win was a bad FCS team
    UNLV/4-8/MWC/One win was a bad FCS team
    UMass/2-10/Indep/One win was avg FCS team (lost to another)
    Hawaii/7-7/MWC/4 of 7 wins were FCS team, UMass, SJSU, Fresno

    So again, as a Cougar fan I'd certainly want to see wins over the above eight opponents plus at least three more against the other six (five plus an average bowl opponent) before I got feeling too wonderful about the season. That's really just 3-3 against teams with a pulse which is still not all that noteworthy if we're being honest.

    Now if all that matters to some of you is a nice big number next to "Total Wins" at the end of the season while ignoring the team names next to the "W"s...well you ought to be ecstatic this year.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2017 8:14 p.m.

    @Spokane ute

    I think 10 wins is quite doable. A couple of games could go either way.

    ----------------

    Nice post. 10 wins would be a great year. There are some questions on offense that need answering starting with Mangum at QB, the new WR/TE's, and Canada/Tolutau at RB that will help determine if we can break that 8-9 win ceiling.

    I think Utah is also facing some questions on offense that could swing their season either way, Can Troy Williams improve on his OFI's (53% pass completions, etc) w/o 4 NFL OL's giving him time to throw, how long will it take all the replacement OL's to gel (and how much drop-off will their be from the 4 guys who left for the NFL), New Off Coor (7th or 8th one in the past 10 yrs), new WR group and who emerges as the guy replacing Joe Williams?

    Not sure what to expect from Mangum or the new WR's really. On the Utah side, a lot rests on how quickly TT gets the team pointed in the right direction offensively, how much Williams improves w/o the NFL studs giving him time, and how does the explosive pace of the offense impact your defense. Will be interesting to see how things play out.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 13, 2017 7:19 p.m.

    Lone*Star - Austin, TX
    July 13, 2017 10:06 a.m.
    Chris B

    Thanks for allowing BYU to live rent free in your head 24 x 7.

    As far as an SEC invite goes,

    BYU plays TWO road games against SEC teams this season.

    Utah hasn't even had the guts to schedule an SEC opponent since the mid '80's.

    btw, if BYU won their next 500 games in a row, they'd have so many national championships that they'd have their own television network...

    oh wait, BYU already has that.

    Carry on.

    _____

    Yawn. The SEC lost its luster a few years ago. Its not the dominant conference any more. Has its share of garbage teams.

    Carry on.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2017 7:01 p.m.

    phoenix

    It's comical that you'd attempt to compare what I'm talking about in my comments (the eight gimmes on BYU's schedule) with the teams Utah lost to last year. Anyone being remotely unbiased would tell you the losses taken by Cal, Oregon, Colorado and UW are in another galaxy from the losses the eight Cougar gimmes took last year. And as if a comparison of opponents isn't enough, the two so-called "bottom feeders" Utah lost to last year were still able to muster eight FBS wins. That's just two shy of the combined total produced by seven teams on BYU's schedule this year. And again, keep in mind that Cal and Oregon's strength of schedules were on an entirely different level to that of the 8 BYU opponents I listed. In other words you're comparing apples to oranges...no...you're comparing grapes to watermelons.
    Please tell me this, why is it so hard to just say "yeah, those 8 teams were brutal last year." It's not like I'm ripping on the other 5 BYU opponents. I'm quite simply, and honestly, saying that 10 wins wouldn't excite me this year if I was a Cougar fan...not when 8 are cupcakes and the bowl opponent isn't likely to be all that fantastic.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    July 13, 2017 6:19 p.m.

    Having been a PAC fan for nearly 50 years, I've seen the conference dominated by USC, UCLA, and lately Stanford. Washington had good years under Don James and earlier. A bit of a struggle after that. Oregon has appeared on the scene lately thanks to Nike money.

    OSU had about 20 losing seasons, WSU nearly as bad, Cal is usually mediocre and the Arizona schools likewise. BYU has beaten nearly every one of those PAC12 teams at one time or another.

    Could BYU be competitive in the PAC12, as opposed to Colorado? During the Mendenhall crazy years (last 4 or 5), no. Before that, sure. Now we'll see how BYU does under Sitake and Detmer.

    My guess is that they will do well. My guess is that Utah will continue pretty much as they are unless they replace Kyle with someone who doesn't hate offense coaches and players.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 13, 2017 5:48 p.m.

    re: skywalker

    "Remind us how many conference bottom dwellers with losing records that Utah lost to last season."

    @motorbike

    "Utah lost to UW, Cal [5-7] and Oregon [4-8]... "

    [and Colorado].

    The ONLY decent teams U beat were USC (by 4 points) and BYU (by 1 point),

    both AT HOME!

    Your only road wins were San Jose St (4-8), Oregon St (4-8), UCLA (4-8, without their star QB), and ASU (5-7).

    U lost to TWICE as many conference bottom dwellers as decent conference opponents.

    And U struggled to beat Indiana (6-7) in your bowl, a team that hasn't won a bowl game in THIRTY years.

    Indiana, btw, BARELY beat Michigan St 24-21 in OT, AT HOME, the same Michigan St. team that BYU destroyed 31-14 in East Lansing.

    Thanks for proving Skywalker's point.

    Utah fans are in no position to judge which teams are gimmes.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    July 13, 2017 5:38 p.m.

    I'll bet that BYU wins more games this year than utah.

  • Jeff29 Draper, UT
    July 13, 2017 5:24 p.m.

    @Willcall

    "Just like you make-believe that red zones are really blue?"

    ---------
    To be fair, it's green; except when you play Boise State and it actually is blue....

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2017 5:16 p.m.

    skywalker

    "Remind us how many conference bottom dwellers with losing records that Utah lost to last season."
    ----------
    Interesting you'd want to go there. Utah lost to UW, Cal and Oregon. Obviously UW was a great team whereas Cal and Oregon had a tough year. But just as not all 10-win seasons are the same, not all losing records are the same...go take a look at the teams Cal and Oregon lost to last year and then go take a look at the teams the following 8 teams lost to:

    Prairie State
    USU
    ECU
    SJSU
    Fresno St
    UNLV
    UMass
    Hawaii

    Now a question for you... How many of the above 8 teams were not only bottom feeders but bottom feeders in lousy conferences?
    Another question... How many FBS wins did the above 8 teams produce last year? I'll give you a hint, less than 18 and more than 16. And 7 of those wins were from Hawaii alone. However, most of Hawaii's 7 wins came against others on this list (and they played 14 games like BYU will do this year). So to make it even more clear, 7 of the 8 above teams combined to win 10 FBS games last year (1.4 avg) and like Hawaii a number of those were against others on this list of terrible teams.

    Any other questions?

  • brother roscoe Lehi, UT
    July 13, 2017 5:09 p.m.

    always look forward to reading all about byUs history on these threads.
    Maybe they should play their games on the history channel as opposed to ESPN3.

  • Desert Sage USA, NV
    July 13, 2017 5:06 p.m.

    My prediction for BYU's 2017 regular season: 8% chance of 13-0; 12% chance of 12-1; 45% chance of 11-2; 35% chance of 10-3; 0% chance of 9-4 or worse. I.e., I give them a 65% chance to go 11-2 or better. Only caveat is that Tanner Magnum has to stay healthy throughout the season. It's going to be very hard to move the ball on BYU this year; even harder than last year. Running game will be improved, which is saying something, & the passing game will be markedly improved.

    With the Utes, I thought when they joined the Pac-12 they'd be like UofA and ASU were in the Pac-10 after they left the WAC in the '70s--usually strong and competitive, but never dominant. And that's exactly what's happened. ASU has been to the Rose Bowl twice in 40 years; they're 1-1 there. UofA's never been. ASU won two PAC-10 titles outright and shared one, UofA only shared one with USC & UCLA. Neither has won a PAC-12 title. Utah's headed down the same path. They were more nationally prominent in the MWC when they had a chance to go 13-0 & finish 2nd nationally; that won't happen now. Starting in '17 and going forward, BYU will be better positioned for national honors.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2017 4:32 p.m.

    Bench

    I don't care if anyone, including CBS, has BYU's season ranked 41st or whatever other number. Common sense says 8 of their games should be roll-over in your sleep and wake up with a W kind of games. Like I said, the other 5 are tough opponents which isn't half bad so I'm not trying to rip on the Cougs here. I'm simply stating my opinion which is that I'd be disappointed if I was a Cougar fan with anything less than 11 wins. By the way, I can promise you I'd feel the exact same way if it was Utah playing BYU's same schedule this year. Again, 11 wins likely puts BYU at 3-3 against their quality opponents, that's what would matter most to me.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    July 13, 2017 4:10 p.m.

    @TheNun

    "Perhaps talkin sports ignores the opponents when counting wins since 2006."

    BYU and Utah were both in the conference from 2006 to 2009, just as they've been every season from 1922 to 2010,

    so making whiny "opponent" excuses for Utah's dearth of 11+ win seasons simply demonstrates your desperation in trying to explain why Utah is so inept.

    Lifetime 11+ Win Seasons
    BYU 11
    Utah 2

    Lifetime 10+ Win Seasons
    BYU 16
    Utah 7

    Lifetime 9+ Win Seasons
    BYU 24
    Utah 12

    BYU has nearly as many lifetime 11+ win seasons as Utah has 9+ win seasons.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    July 13, 2017 4:05 p.m.

    To those folks who think that BYU has a cupcake schedule because they only play four P5 opponents: BYU would jump at the chance to play ten P5 schools, but have to play an independent schedule. Utah has three non-P5 schools on their schedule and a couple of PAC12 "cupcakes." It would be possible for BYU to have their entire schedule filled with some P5 schools and be undefeated. I will be happy with a ten win season and I think the pollsters would, too. I really see the Cougars winning nine, including a win over Utah, maybe by a large margin.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    July 13, 2017 4:01 p.m.

    motorbike

    Remind us how many conference bottom dwellers with losing records that Utah lost to last season.

    Fans of a program that has a history of turning 8- to 10-loss gimmes into "tough" games, have no business lecturing other programs on what constitutes a "tough" game.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2017 3:57 p.m.

    Max-was-right

    "You should make believe that Pepsi machines are really red"
    -----------
    It's kind of funny that the red Pepsi thing bugs BYU fans as much as it does.

  • Bench Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2017 3:53 p.m.

    I love the comments about BYU's weak schedule.

    According to CBS Preseason SOS, BYU has the 41st ranked schedule. If you are correct and 'anyone' with a cupcake schedule like BYU would would win 10 games, then you can expect 89 teams will win 10 games or more. Some of those teams with easier schedules than BYU include Oregon, USC, Arizona, Colorado and Washington and 20 other 'P5' teams.

    I think BYU will win 8, maybe 9 games. It is not a stretch to win 10 with a QB that can actually throw the ball with accuracy and a deep O-line

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    July 13, 2017 3:53 p.m.

    from the article:

    "After opening against Portland State on Aug. 26, the Cougars are pelted by big-time opponents: LSU, Utah and Wisconsin. "

    Big time opponents is right.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2017 3:30 p.m.

    Not all 10-win seasons are alike...if I was a BYU fan I'd be looking for at least 11 wins this year before calling it a good year. Not a great year mind you, but I do think you could call it a good year. It's a 6-game season for BYU, if they don't go at least 3-3 against their 5 tough games and their bowl game then there's just no way of thinking they had a good, let alone great, year. And for anyone wondering, yes the other 8 opponents are THAT bad.

  • TheNun Grantsville, UT
    July 13, 2017 3:23 p.m.

    Perhaps talkin sports ignores the opponents when counting wins since 2006. 😂

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    July 13, 2017 3:19 p.m.

    Nellie, why can you see the Cougars losing only two September games?

    If, you're thinking your TV will be on the fritz, you can come over and watch at my house. I wouldn't want you miss a game.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    July 13, 2017 2:54 p.m.

    "Wrong again; he's a Utah fan making Utah fans look bad"

    Hey Spokane - respect to you buddy!

    I appreciate your comments, some of us simply like talking about football which might include a rivalry situation to the dismay of others who are only focused on a rivalry that has a backdrop of football.

    Can we fast forward now a few weeks, get fall camps going and see the mighty Cougars take on Portland state before a huge LSU team? I'm ready now, let's just start the season already!

  • oldcougfan North Ogden, UT
    July 13, 2017 2:54 p.m.

    First off, BYU is playing 13 games this year and they have a chance to win every game. That is why they play the game. Anything can happen once the game starts.

  • TouchdownUtes Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2017 2:50 p.m.

    There's absolutely no chance of BYU winning 10 games if they played a true P5 strength of schedule. Playing only 4 P5 teams this season and being left to play powder-puffs would give them a chance of winning 8 or 9 games....and wait until the end of the season when the SOS is measured and see that BYU has a SOS ranking of say 65th or 70th in the country.....(last year they were ranked 63rd).....The point is.....BYU has a built-in 6 or 7 wins a year.....

    And talkin' sports.....thanks for the 30 - 45 year old history lesson....nice to see you're still living in the past in terms of BYU Football.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    July 13, 2017 2:13 p.m.

    Just 6 weeks until the season kicks off and about 8 weeks before some fans here start boasting about their teams prospects in 2018.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 13, 2017 1:55 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar - Riverton, UT
    July 13, 2017 1:38 p.m.

    "I'll bet lunch that Chris B. is a Cougar Season Ticket Holder. He hangs on every game, article or opportunity to talk about them."

    More likely he's actually a BYU fan just trying to make Utah fans look bad.
    ----------
    Wrong again; he's a Utah fan making Utah fans look bad

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    July 13, 2017 1:53 p.m.

    "a chance to win 10 games", with enough cupcakes to fill a bakery, the headline should read: "Holmoe assures 10 wins and MWC title, with this year's schedule".

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 13, 2017 1:38 p.m.

    "I'll bet lunch that Chris B. is a Cougar Season Ticket Holder. He hangs on every game, article or opportunity to talk about them."

    More likely he's actually a BYU fan just trying to make Utah fans look bad.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 13, 2017 1:21 p.m.

    toosmartforyou - Kaysville, UT
    July 13, 2017 12:38 p.m.

    I'll bet lunch that Chris B. is a Cougar Season Ticket Holder. He hangs on every game, article or opportunity to talk about them.
    ------
    I'll take that bet.

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    July 13, 2017 12:38 p.m.

    I'll bet lunch that Chris B. is a Cougar Season Ticket Holder. He hangs on every game, article or opportunity to talk about them.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    July 13, 2017 12:32 p.m.

    Cougar_Trojan_Spurs fan,

    You are assuming Chris B is a male. That has not yet been confirmed.

    In college ball anything could happen. On paper BYU should be favored in all but the SEC games and the Big 10. I can see them losing two of their September games, but not three.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    July 13, 2017 12:17 p.m.

    If BYU's offense clicks, 10 wins is a near certainty, 11 is possible.

    With a year to implement his offense, I'm expecting Detmer's offense to be much better.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    July 13, 2017 12:05 p.m.

    Actually I see 10 wins as feasible. If we count the bowl game it's what I would expect.

    Portland is a gimmie
    LSU loss
    BYU takes Utah this year - like I say every year :(
    Wiscy is a loss
    USU is a win
    Boise at home is usually a win
    I've got to go with a close loss at MS state
    then 5 wins

    9-3 with a bowl win is 10-3 - maybe we're lucky and go 10-2, it's possible. I think BYU is between a 10-2 and 8-4 year prior to the bowl game.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2017 12:00 p.m.

    With that pathetic schedule, anyone would have a chance at a 10 win season.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    July 13, 2017 11:53 a.m.

    I think 9 wins is doable, and, maybe even 10.

    I know one thing: one of our wins this year is going to be over Utah.

    See you boys in September!

  • evansrichdm West Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2017 11:50 a.m.

    If BYU wins ten games that will be a good season for BYU with the teams lined up.
    If BYU goes 1-12 and beats UofU then I will be happy with the season, but I honestly see BYU losing four games.
    Granted last year with Michigan State I put that game as a loss before the season even started. I was wrong and hope to be this year with UofU, LSU, Boise, Mississippi and Wisconsin. I see BYU winning at least two of those five games. The rest of the season BYU should win those games, thus 10 wins, but on a 13 team lineup.
    Also thanks to Tom H. that most of our home games are at the start of the season so as to hope that none of the games have snow storms or anything like that.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 13, 2017 11:20 a.m.

    I think 10 wins is quite doable. A couple of games could go either way. I'm not sure what Blue Pepsi machines have to do with the topic though?

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 13, 2017 11:13 a.m.

    Please stop feeding the lipstick wearing trolls. Please!
    DN, you need to put a stop to this as well. They are totally out of control.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    July 13, 2017 11:11 a.m.

    TouchdownUtes

    Perhaps U can believe that winning 18 games, since 1972, is better than winning 26.

    Perhaps U can believe
    that Utah's FIVE wins by more than a touchdown,
    since 1972,
    show more "dominance"
    than BYU's EIGHTEEN wins by more than a touchdown.

    Perhaps U can believe that 8 lifetime AP Top 25 finishes is better than 17.

    Perhaps U can believe that TWO 11+ win seasons in your entire history is better than BYU's THREE 11+ win seasons since 2006.

    Perhaps...

  • Johnny Triumph Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2017 11:01 a.m.

    Donovan Mitchell is a beast! Lindsey knew what he was doing in the trade to move up for him, wow! Even Hayward will wonder why he left Utah once the Mitchell/Gobert train gets moving.

  • WillCall Bountiful, UT
    July 13, 2017 10:56 a.m.

    "Chrissy,
    You should make believe that Pepsi machines are really red."

    max-was-arrested:

    Just like you make-believe that red zones are really blue?

  • TouchdownUtes Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2017 10:47 a.m.

    Max.....your Pepsi machine posts on every article is getting a bit old.....you should come up with some new material.....here's an idea.....perhaps you can make believe that BYU in fact has won the past 6 in a row and 11 out of 14 against the Utes. And then you can sit back and drink a caffeine-free soft drink that you can purchase from the Cougar Eat.

  • ???? Murray, UT
    July 13, 2017 10:25 a.m.

    My name is Chris B and I hate the Cougs. My childhood was terrible and I blame Young, Boscoe, and McMahon. My basement dwelling teenage years I blame on Detmer and Sark. My adult hood was ruined when Bronco stole a wave from me and Kalani has way to much charisma and makes me want someone with a personality to join my mighty Pac-12 Utes

  • Cougar_Trojan_Spurs_Fan San Diego, CA
    July 13, 2017 10:16 a.m.

    Wow!!! Look who commented first!

    The guy who swears he's moved on to bigger and better things.

    Why am I not surprised?!?!?!

    Chris, in all honesty I feel sorry for you. It seems to me that the only way you are able to derive any happiness in your life is by tearing down the fans of a team you profess to despise. But, the confusing thing is, for as much as you say you hate BYU, you are always one of the first readers to comment. I know that in my life, the people/places/institutions/etc that I "hate" I stay far away from. You appear to be doing just the opposite, hence the belief that you are really a closet BYU superfan.

    What else could explain that?

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    July 13, 2017 10:06 a.m.

    Chris B

    Thanks for allowing BYU to live rent free in your head 24 x 7.

    As far as an SEC invite goes,

    BYU plays TWO road games against SEC teams this season.

    Utah hasn't even had the guts to schedule an SEC opponent since the mid '80's.

    btw, if BYU won their next 500 games in a row, they'd have so many national championships that they'd have their own television network...

    oh wait, BYU already has that.

    Carry on.

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    July 13, 2017 10:02 a.m.

    Chrissy,
    You should make believe that Pepsi machines are really red.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2017 9:24 a.m.

    Ya byu has a chance at a 10 win season.

    And Utah state and byu both have a chance at an SEC invite. Yes, if byu or utah state won their next 500 games in a row, I truly think the SEC would be interested.

    It's fun playing make believe.