@TFUDDWhat a bash on the University of Utah football program and
Darren Carrington. Can't believe you even considered writing this article.
Should every team just not give him a chance then?----------------What is wearing a different colored uniform going
to change? There's nothing wrong with giving someone a chance, what did he
do to earn the chance besides get kicked off of the Oregon football team for
DUIs, failing drug tests, assaulting an innocent person? Breaking multiple laws
automatically qualifies a person for another chance? If a person isn't a
premier athlete then those kinds of activities usually qualify them for a chance
at jail.The shoe fits in this case, Doug did the right thing in
shining a light on Whitt's indifference. Whitt's desperation to be
competitive in the Pac12 is dragging the ute football program to new lows.
What's wrong with requiring the kid to do something to show he's ready
for a 2nd chance? Something besides timing him in the 40 yd dash that is.
Apparently, Saban is running a halfway house. The choice: Put them on the
football team or they’ll cause trouble for law-abiding citizens. Talk
about setting a low bar for recruits....Let’s start with the myth that
these players are “student-athletes.”....The Utes’ invitation
to Carrington is purely mercenary. -------------------Great article Doug. it's a desperate move by a desperate coach, desperate
to try and get Utah over the hump and avoid their annual November swoon. He runs
the utes like a Halfway House but different from Saban he looks the other way
when they assault law-abiding citizens at knife point or destroy public property
(Hatfield and Byrd-Butler). Then he rewards them as Team Captains ie Hatfield
(who later got suspended from the bowl game).Does this surprise
anyone? Whitt's not concerned with character or how a player represents the
school, the team or the community. His concerns are with their 40 time and how
highly rated they are and can they help him win on the field. Didn't he
also try and bring in Josh Gordon from Baylor in another desperate move a few
years ago?He's so transparent it's pathetic.
In the age of Fake News, Doug Robinson speaks the truth. good writing and
explanation of what college ball is really all about. $$$ and more $$$I am a big fan of the game and wish these guys all succeed but you have to
call them out when it becomes too obvious.
Uteology"Is turning the other cheek against the honor
code?"Easier said than done, especially when someone gets right
in your face and starts taunting you immediately after you've suffered a
heart-breaking OT loss.Nobody has ever claimed that BYU athletes are
perfect.Besides, doesn't turning the other cheek apply to all
Christians?Why didn't Memphis's players turn the other
cheek in either of the brawls Memphis was involved in that season?
AZUTE1It's incredible the rationalization of Ute fans
permeating these threads regarding Carrington.This is all about the
Utes looking out for their own self interests and has nothing to do with Whit
being altruistic and trying to help a kid turn his life around.As
others have said, if Carrington weren't a star receiver and couldn't
immediately fill a critical need for Utah,Whittingham wouldn't
have even contacted him about playing for the Utes.
AZUTE1If you really believe that Whit invited Carrington to join the
Utes simply because he wanted to help the kid turn his life around...you're really naive.
Truth Machine - Salt Lake City, UTAug. 11, 2017 9:24 a.m.UteologyMemphis started the brawl in Miami by getting into the faces of BYU
players on the sidelines.------Is turning the other
cheek against the honor code?
It's incredible the holier than thou attitude permeating these threads
regarding DC II from byu fans.You're just jealous he fell into
our lap....He's a superstar, period.Coach KW has a proven track
record of assisting wayward kids in turning their lives around permanently.This is precisely the mentality Christ himself would have.Enough already w/your envy-fueled tirade.Remember Christ & his
challenge to "cast the 1st stone"?Go Utes!
"He was suspended an entire year for drug test failure, which I assume in
some states is now legal."Marijuana is illegal in all 50 states
and it's territories. States can pass laws all they want, but the federal
government still says marijuana is illegal to grow, sell and smoke. He may not
have been in violation of Oregon State law, but he most certainly was in
violation of federal law.
UteologyMemphis started the brawl in Miami by getting into the faces
of BYU players on the sidelines.As far as Memphis's first
brawl goes, who cares how many players were suspended, the point is, Memphis was
involved in two brawls against two separate teams in the same season.And the common factor in those two brawls:Memphis!---------------------Incidentally, an article on an Ole Miss blog,
said this about scheduling:A relatively new ‘Power 5
requirement’ in the SEC means Ole Miss must play at least one team from
the Big Ten, Big 12, ACC or Pac-12 each season. In other words, Ole Miss will be
forced to play a neutral-site game annually or a road game semi-annually against
a premier opponent.That leaves little wiggle room for a
home-and-away series vs. Memphis after the current contract runs out.Interesting, since BYU has been recognized by the SEC as a premier opponent
that can fulfill that "Power 5 requirement" - see BYU's
home-and-home with Miss St last year and this year, and BYU's neutral-site
game with LSU this year.
Darren Carrington timelineJuly 1 - Charged with DUIJuly 14 -
Dismissed from OregonJuly 22 - Carrington's father confirms via email
that his son visited Utah's campusJuly 25 - Pledged to join the Utes
as a graduate transferIt's quite obvious that the Utes
couldn't care less about Carrington's past offenses.As
long as Darren can catch a football, that's all Utah cares about.
Ute fan logic.Forgive Carrington in perpetuity for multiple offenses
and felonies (obviously because he will help the team, but we'll say
it's because it's for altruistic reasons).But the BYU
player that threw a punch in the heat of battle when he had control of a fumble
and the player came and speared him after he had secured the ball? Ooooh, so
dirty. Never forgive. Never forget.Silly Utes!
deductive reasoning - Arlington, VAAug. 10, 2017 8:36 p.m.@phoenix:
"The Miami Brawl was the SECOND brawl Memphis had been involved inin the same season."-----@uteology: "Really?
Against what team..."Ole Miss vs Memphis 2014-------And 2nd part of the question was who was suspended from the
Memphis AND Ole Miss?The major brawl was in Miami started by BYU,
just because Ole Miss started a brawl in the same season does not get BYU off
the hook from throwing cheapshots.
@WhooDoug is saying that Carrington isn't receiving any consequences
for his actions.-----He got kicked off a team.He was suspended an entire year for drug test failure, which I assume in some
states is now legal.Doug, like most BYU fans, sit in judgment of
others. Thats what they do.
UteologyIt's interesting that you don't seem to have any
difficulty researching a BYU player from 30 years ago,but you seem
incapable of researching Memphis's first brawl of the 2014 season.btw, I also don't have a problem with players being given 2nd and 3rd
chances. What I do have a problem with is a player being given
multiple chances without the player being required to do ANYTHING to earn those
chances, as is obviously the case with Whittingham welcoming Carrington with
open arms immediately after he was booted off Oregon's team.Van
Noy was required wait an entire year after one DUI and to prove through his
actions that he had earned a second chance to join BYU .Carrington
was practicing with Utah three weeks after being kicked off the Oregon team for
a DUI, and that was after multiple other criminal offenses.
@phoenix: "The Miami Brawl was the SECOND brawl Memphis had been involved
inin the same season."-----@uteology:
"Really? Against what team..."Ole Miss vs Memphis 2014
As I stated before, I don't think Coach Whitt would have taken a chance on
Carrington if he wasn't as talented as he appears to be. That's why I
think people are upset with the decision to bring him in. Also, it's why I
think people are saying Utah seems to have a "win at all costs"
mentality. If he was just some "average" player, there is no way Utah
would have given him another "second chance." On a different note, I
don't think you can compare Carrington's situation with Jimmer not
going on a mission. Yes, they're both good athletes, but choosing whether
or not to serve a mission is an extremely personal decision. It doesn't
matter how good the athlete is, it is not the same thing as being brought onto
one team after being dismissed from another for various legal issues.
KH"Just because BYU can't beat Utah,.."Your
BYU-hating obsession is showing.Beating BYU is quite obviously THE
most important achievement Utah has accomplished since joining the PAC 12.The evidence is overwhelming:Utah fans post about
Utah's record versus BYU more often than any other Utah
Uteology What team?Do your own research; there's
even a video of the previous Memphis brawl?BYU didn't
immediately announce all of the suspensions and disciplinary actions, but after
thoroughly reviewing the brawl, multiple players were suspended and/or
disciplined.It's interesting how "concerned" you and
other Utah fans are about BYU's disciplinary actions,when U
obviously couldn't care less about Utah ever disciplining any Utah player,
regardless of how serious the offense.btw, you can find plenty of
"evidence" of BYU's disciplinary actions on the web, if you're
How many of us have worked our hearts out at something and watched someone else
do it better and take our promotion or job? It's not about the teammates
in line waiting to move up a string, it's always "best one wins."
We all work hard and we all make mistakes. We can't force Carrington to
make better choices, that's his call. He will suffer consequences for his
actions good or bad, like all of us. Utah wants the best players, same w BYU.
Doug wants to be the best writer so he creates controversial topics. Brilliant.
FB coaches are brilliant, and if someone is more brilliant, they'll take
their place. Such is life. How can you guys get mad at the U for focusing on
greatness instead of failure? Aren't we supposed to see the greatness in
@Moose"Doug Robinson did not take issue with BYU bringing back
Sione Takitaki a third time after getting kicked out for theft and other issues.
I don't recall Doug Robinson having a problem with Kyle Van Noy when BYU
brought him in after a highly publicized DUI."Apples to Oranges
man. Van Noy had to sit out a year for his DUI or did you miss that? The same
more or less applies to Takitaki. Takitaki had to miss the rest of the season
for his issues.Doug is saying that Carrington isn't receiving
any consequences for his actions.
Would it not be total awesomeness if Carrington had a huge day in Provo?
Thanks for proving my point Lonestar! Just because byu can't
beat Utah, and Utah has finished ranked 3 years in a row, doesn't mean Utah
is obsessed with winning at all costs.
So, if this guy has a "degree" and was only playing out his 4th year, if
he's that good, why didn't he just declare for the NFL draft and go
there. What would one more year of college football do for him? The U took a
gamble, let's see if it bites them in the bummy. Way to go Whit. Bringing
in a disruptive force. It will make for some great team cohesion.
Ufan "WOW! Talk about over-reaching for a comparison."Is it
really?Athletes are role models. Parents are asked to explain their
behavior.A kid might ask "That player was in trouble with the
law. Why is he on the field?"Another might ask "That player
should be on a mission. Why is he on the field?"Both questions
put parents in a bind. They don't want to say "because they are good
athletes" even if that is the truth of it.They say something
like "everyone deserves a second chance", even though not everyone gets
a second chance. Or they say "basketball IS his mission" even though
some basketball players serve a full mission in the field.
phoenix - Gilbert, AZAug. 10, 2017 10:15 a.m.Uteology"After the Miami Brawl, Memphis suspended 18 players..."Do
a little research.The Miami Brawl was the SECOND brawl Memphis had
been involved inin the same season.-----Really? Against what team, and how many players were suspended by both
teams.FYI your player on his "third chance" was found gulity
of a crime.I have no problem with either player getting multiple
mulligans, hopefully both will be better men in the future.
SoonerUte"Carrington gets another chance for the same reason
Jimmer didn't take a mission -- they're good athletes. Fans give a
free pass to those that help the team win."WOW!Talk
about over-reaching for a comparison.
KHI personally think it's funny that when Utah entered the PAC
12,Ute fans were bragging about how often Utah would be playing in
the Rose Bowl,yet, here we are, 7 years later,and Utah
is still the ONLY team in the PAC 12 South,that hasn't even
made it to the CCG.Welcoming, with open arms, a transfer player with
so much baggage,simply shows how desperate the Utes have become,to win, especially something meaningful,like a
division title.Blame the scrutiny on BYU fans.Spin it
however helps U sleep at night.But, that's the bottom line
here.Utah has become obsessed with winning,at all costs!
I'm truly shocked at the welcome he's getting. Let's look at the
facts about him:Before the 2015 NC game, he was suspended for the game for
testing drug positive. That led him to miss half of the 2015 season.2
years later, July 2017, he gets a DUI and Oregon had enough and dismissed him.
Other allegations have been at least two other drug issues, three
traffic violations, and a fight where he broke a UO alum's arm. That's two years of poor behavior!Yet he deserves a second
chance?! You've got to be kidding! He had too many chances. Now Salt Lake
WANTS this person there. Unbelievable! Last year, he only had five
games receiving over 50 yards. Putting him in an offense with so many new
players screams one thing: desperate. It's clear coaches are
not confident in this offense at all when they have to find a character like
this to join the team.
Carrington gets another chance for the same reason Jimmer didn't take a
mission -- they're good athletes. Fans give a free pass to those that help
the team win.
I personally think it's funny that when Utah entered the PAC 12 and
struggled the first couple of years, all we heard from byu fans is: "U will never be successful in the PAC 12" "PAC 12 bottom
feeder" "Go back to the MWC, U can't hang in the PAC" "U will never go to a bowl game" Now, after 3 successful
years in the PAC 12, being ranked in the Top 25 each year byu fans have changed
their tune to: "U have a win at all costs mentality""All Utah fans care about is winning" "Utah fans value
winner over building character"Just my observation.
Uteology"Utah canceled the series against BYU, beating
isn't that important."LOL at your revisionist history.Utah has never cancelled a football game with BYU because of an on-field
Uteology"After the Miami Brawl, Memphis suspended 18
players..."Do a little research.The Miami Brawl was
the SECOND brawl Memphis had been involved inin the same season.As far as BYU suspensions, you don't have a clue what you're
talking about, because there were multiple BYU players disciplined and
suspended, but NONE of them were 2nd-, 3rd- and 4th-time offenders,
and,unlike Carrington, NONE of them were charge with criminal
Uteology"After the Miami Brawl, Memphis suspended 18 players,
BYU one.Only BYU sits in judgement of others while giving lip
service."How do you know what disciplinary measures were taken
against BYU players involved in the brawl?and, more to the point,How many of those players were charged with CRIMINAL offenses because of
the brawl and continued having repeat offenses, even after being multiple second
chances?Your desperate attempt to equate the vastly different
situations is absolutely hilarious.
H-man - Shreveport, LAAug. 9, 2017 11:22 p.m.One of Doug
Robinson's points is that the attitude that winning is all that matters
reveals the hypocrisy that has taken over college football. All these Ute fans
defending Carrington and Coach Whittington (while bashing BYU in the process)
reveal the truth of that claim. You can protest that Doug Robinson is biased
because he didn't include any BYU examples all you want, but face it
Utes--all you care about is winning (especially against BYU) and that reveals
YOUR hypocrisy.------Utah canceled the series against
BYU, beating isn't that important.Winnng is all that matters?
Didn't BYU back-door the MWC for the WAC for money?
@talkingUnlike at the U, BYU requires players to EARN a second
chance, but requiring them to demonstrate adherence, over an extended period of
time, to requirements specifically designed for their situation, basically, to show that they've "learned their lesson",BEFORE they are allowed to rejoin the team.-------After the Miami Brawl, Memphis suspended 18 players, BYU one.Only
BYU sits in judgement of others while giving lip service.That fact
that Alabama was metioned in the article about Utah but BYU with a player on his
"third chance" wasn't furthers that point.
JohnInSLCUtah fans seem determined to reinforce the "win at all
costs" mentality that now pervades the U.
Oregon dismissed Carrington from the team THREE WEEKS ago, after he was
arrested for a DUI...after previously- being suspended
for failing a drug test- being cited for having an open container of
alcohol- being accused of pushing a man to the ground and breaking his
arm(but, that was simply case of mistaken identity — he
thought the man was someone else he "had an issue with;" in other words,
he didn’t mean to beat up this man, he meant to beat up someone else!)So the DUI arrest was one offense too many for Oregon’s new coach,
Willie Taggart, and he gave Carrington the boot. That alone ought to tell you
about the serious baggage this guy carries because college coaches overlook a
lot of sins to have such players on their teamsNow he’s a
Ute.And Utah fans on this blog have proven that they couldn't
care less about his baggage, as long as he can help the Utes win football games.
Good luck with DC Ute's....very talented player. Just hasn't displayed
very good judgement for the opportunities he has within his grasp. Hated to see
him leave the Duck's (because he can play) but Willie Taggert is cleaning
house and that's just how it has to be. Let's see what
The kid deserves another chance on the football field. He’s a unique
talent with a background of bad judgement, but let him try to salvage himself by
doing something he does really, really well. Another chance with the Utes could
embarrass the Utes or could help their season. The risk/reward is pretty clear
for the team. The risk/reward for the kid is huge, I hope he does well.
Cougsndawgs:It seems you are the exception here. Every other BYU-P
fan seems determined to reinforce the holier-than-thou perception. Well done!
One of Doug Robinson's points is that the attitude that winning is all that
matters reveals the hypocrisy that has taken over college football. All these
Ute fans defending Carrington and Coach Whittington (while bashing BYU in the
process) reveal the truth of that claim. You can protest that Doug Robinson is
biased because he didn't include any BYU examples all you want, but face it
Utes--all you care about is winning (especially against BYU) and that reveals
YOUR hypocrisy.And the fact that you can't see the difference
between the Carrington situation and your attempt to equate it with a few cases
affecting a BYU player reveals not only your hypocrisy but a willful disregard
for the evidence in each case.
I have a question. It's something I heard on the radio earlier today. My
question is this....Would Coach Whittingham have given Mr. Carrington a
"second chance" if he wasn't a great receiver? What if he was just
a second or third string player? To me, it seems that this is what is bothering
many people. Darren Carrington appears to have been brought in because he has
the skills. If he was anything less, I don't think he would be on
Utah's roster. Hopefully he has changed. Only time will tell.
@irieute - So you're saying an employer shouldn't check into why a
potential employee was fired from his last job. Makes sense. Your logic would
mean no need for any kind of registered offender lists as well. It clearly
makes sense for a new team to check into the background of a new player since
that player will represent not just the team but the whole university. Anything
otherwise is a lack of judgement and, at any other kind of employer, be grounds
for some kind of official review. But then the U seems to not care about
perception and image, only winning matters now.
ekute"Kids love to dig up dirt and play in it..."Kids on the hill love to dump dirt all over themselves,and then
whine about anybody who notices that they're dirty.It's
ironic that the school that copied the "U" sign from the "U", is
now trying to emulate their "convicts and criminals" recruiting
Poor Mr Robinson, bitter and disingenuous. Objectivity has escaped you.Every team looks for opportunity to improve their team, even byu.Six in a row and counting...
Robinson's article makes zero sense to me. 1) Robinson's claim
that DCII playing at the U represents the destruction of the student athlete
"myth" is undercut by the fact this kid went to school and graduated
early. Even with his troubles and the rigors of playing D1 sports, he actually
showed up and put in the school work to graduate. It does not seem like a myth
DCII2) If Robinson has such a problem with DCII playing at Utah right away
his issue should be with the graduate transfer rule.
everything is awesome,Kids love to dig up dirt and play in
it...literally...but not in in the way that some do when it comes to Utah
two words sum up this article:Doug HarmonRise now. you
can shout later.
Just because Doug Robinson is writing negative comments about the former
National coach of the year concerning this issue, doesn't mean a thing to
me. Doug can write whatever he wants, but it doesn't bother me one bit that
a coach disciplines his players or brings players in to play on his team's,
as he sees fit. Many coaches and sports writer's have spoken very highly of
coach Whittingham, and to see how he has worked with players that have made
mistakes, and helped them through their mistakes, and helped to make them better
people, is something I admire. I'm so honored by the people in my 64 years
of life who have helped my through my mistakes, I am honored to have such a
great coach to instill high character values into his players. When have you
ever heard of a former player for coach Whittingham ever speak unkind words
about him? Whittingham is not perfect. I've heard him man up to his
mistakes. This is not a perfect world. I'm happy that Whittingham has given
this player a strict set of guidelines to follow, so this player, and others
that came before him, and are certain to come after him, have a chance to redeem
themselves in this imperfect world.
@KH Do you really think how schools handled discipline 30+ years ago
is relevant to this situation today? Come on. Read more below and you can read
that Trevor was a great athlete and was kicked off the team for his illegal
actions. You obviously missed my point and put together a strawman about
records....not players. Back to 2017. This story is an opinion
about the state of athletics today and how if you are good enough you will
possibly get a 2nd chance...and a 3rd....and a 4th, no matter your character.
Listen, i hope for the best for this kid. Nothing against him, but Utah is
taking a risk. Would be interesting to hear what the other WR's think of
this move....especially those who will be losing playing time. Nick Saban has
had six players arrested seven times for DUI in the last four years. At least
half played in their season openers. Should Carrington play in the opener?
Will be interesting to see what message Kyle sends. In my opinion, too
many coaches are giving players passes for something as serious as a DUI. In
Utah's case, isn't one of it's core values "No
DUI's"? I just think it sends a confusing message across the CFB
ekute Are you really that naive?"Won't know
unless you tell them?"LOL
Robinson should have entitled his story "Carrington: He's
Expendable!" This is, in my opinion, a hatch job on this young
man and the UTAH program. A program which has had a good deal of success taking
young men who have made mistakes and building them into good citizens and even
better football players. Robinson's only example is a case that
wasn't a 100% success, he'd have you believe it was a failure. Such
either or scenarios are not fair to either the young man or the University.
There are numerous other cases that Robinson has conveniently forgotten because
they don't fit his scenario.Carrington is still a student
athlete, even though Robinson suggests otherwise. Carrington already has one
degree and is working on another. If that doesn't make Carrington a student
to Robinson, then I suggest your reporter get a new dictionary.Why
hasn't Robinson raised this issue with Takitaki or Van Noy, both Cougars?
It is very disturbing that the Dnews would allow this type of negative article.
I am a member of the LDS Church and I believe that we can change and correct our
misdeeds. This young man deserves another chance. How many chances did LaVell
Edwards give Jim McMann?
Justice is in the process through the legal system. The kids will see a very
good football player that is helping Utah succeed. They won't know of his
background or that he has reformed... unless you tell them.
Carrington did not break any rules as a Ute. Why should Utah punish him until he
does? You consider the athlete like anyone you want to bring on to help your
cause, in any activity in life. Risk vs reward.
I'm not a fan of any sports team, just an ordinary tax paying Utahn. It
makes me physically sick that my tax dollars go to support a university that
selects students with multiple DUIs to represent us. A single DUI says "I
value the lives of every other person around me less than the cost of cab
fare." Bringing a player like Carrington on our football team says "We
don't care about the lives of Utah's citizens. Winning is the only
thing." Evidently our flagship university cares nothing about public health
and safety. Evidently no one has notified the U's administration that
thousands of our children idolize and adore U of U football players, and they
haven't bothered to consider the message those kids get when they offer
scholarships to people who belong in jail. Pathetic, disgusting and immoral.
Watching the ute faithful spin this fiasco into something positive is delightful
and entertaining. Face reality - Whittingham sold out.
It's interesting to note, per Scout, byu has to date 20 commits w/a 2.55
star avg....Last year they accepted 23 commits w/a 2.71 star avg.What was that about "the Kalani effect"?Yet again, mired
in their annual 2 star bonanza.Midmajor forever.Go Utes!
When Carrington II catches the winning touchdown against the Y then the
screaming will really commence.
I'm not entirely surprised because of the athleticism of the guy, but
I'm let down by this action. I would have thought Utah coaches could find
someone with more character to fill the bill. Oregon apparently could. And,
those who would argue this guy has character are deceiving themselves. So, to
me, Oregon stands much taller than Utah in this matter and I hope the rest of
the country sees this whole thing in that light. Winning isn't everything
and neither is having a superb athlete who undermines the school's
Mr. Robinson,This is the final straw for you in exploding the
"student-athlete" myth? You can't be serious. Have you heard
about the massive academic fraud at North Carolina that was exposed by Rashad
McCants? This article is the most ridiculous thing I have heard
this last month, and remember, Anthony Scaramucci was going wild in the last 30
days. The grad transfer rule, the one and done phenomenon, coaches bouncing to
new schools leaving kids they recruited not to mention the obscene salaries
being pulled down by football and basketball coaches are all part of the
problem. College sports are minor leagues for the pros, at best, and cash
machines, at worst. If a student actually does get an education (and UNC has
proven that graduation means nothing), it is because the student is
intrinsically motivated and avoids the classes other athletes use to stay
eligible.The student part of "student-athlete" left the
building long ago. Carrington, LJ Rose and others were created by the NCAA and
exploited by the member schools. Coach Whit (and most other coaches) have
million dollar contracts to protect and winning is the only way to keep them.
You didn't know this? #clueless
The TruthIsn't there scripture that talks about if you are
sinless go ahead and toss a stone? Is there another scripture that talks about
the only one who is qualified to judge others is the Lord Himself? So, what is
the point of this article? To claim that because a team seeks to include a
player and in the process giving him a second/third/fourth chance is only
because the coach cares about wins? How does one know what goes on in the mind
of a coach who works with young men, many from troubled pasts, and sees them go
onto greatness? I would be willing to argue that the number of people helped by
sports programs far outweighs the environment they come from. Mr. Robinson, who
are you to judge these coaches and young men they coach? Have you come from
projects, or gang riddled neighborhoods? Have you been faced with racism and
ignorance? Have you stepped into the shoes of those you have just judged?
Before you print such rubbish as your article is, take a step back and practice
what you preach. Not every football player comes form an LDS family and plays
for BYU. There are many walks of life outside of Utah.
"@VegasUte - you seriously brought up a BYU player from 30+ years ago?
lol."Austin Coug,Ridiculous, right? Bringing up
something that happened over 30 years ago? Oh wait...I guess
it's only ridiculous to bring up something that happened 30+ years ago if
it's negative. Because everyone who reads Dnews comments knows that the
first thing byu fans bring up to feel revelant is....successes of 30+ years ago.
KimmyP"If Carrington had chosen the team in Provo..."You can stop there, because there's no way Carrington would have
ever been allowed to enroll at BYU, let alone been invited to join the football
team, without a long period of "rehabilitation".Players that
were already on BYU's football have been booted off the team for far less
serious issues than Carrington has had, with no indication that he has cleaned
up his act.
VegasUte"Doug: Research Trevor Molini and get back to
us."Molini, 22, was expelled from BYU after pleading guilty for
the second time within a year to a prescription drug charge in Provo, Utah,an addiction that he developed from taking pain medication for injuries
sustained while playing football.So, what's your point?That BYU, unlike Utah, is not afraid to discipline their players with
harsh penalties, including expulsion from BYU, after giving them a "second
chance".So, how is Molini's situation comparable to Utah
inviting a player with MULTIPLE serious issues to join their team, after his
previous team had given him the boot because they could no longer tolerate his
Any last shreds of respect I had for KWhitt went out the window with all of
this. The U knows it has no future major success in the PAC and is taking
chances on the cast-offs like this. The trend will continue into the future.What I'd like to know is this. Why does the Coach have control
over his team, the control needed to make such a poor decision as this?
Shouldn't the University have a say in who plays on the flagship athletic
team? The team that visibly represents the school on a national stage?
Bringing in tainted goods will only tarnish the school as a whole, and the U has
a lot going for it. Why would the U leadership allow this to happen? I'm
stunned. Second chances are made for a first time indiscretion, not for
repeated failures of an athlete.
BYU players were likely not part of the article because BYU hasn't picked
up a controversial transfer student like Carrington with a checkered past of
off-field problems. However, BYU has certainly had there share of athletes
that have gotten in trouble with the law as students. In many cases, these
athletes had to sit out multiple games if not a full season (Takitaki). Van
Noy's situation was different as he wasn't even a student yet.
However, he was given the option to sit out a year or go elsewhere after his
DUI. Ultimately, the BYU consequences were pretty severe and that has been
there standard. Listen, I don't expect Utah or other colleges to have
similar consequences to BYU for their athletes that get in trouble with the law.
However, I do think Utah is wrong on this one to give the guy a clean plate as
he will likely be playing in the first game. When any school does this, the
message heard is skill is more important than character. I think that is what
Doug is calling out. @VegasUte - you seriously brought up a BYU
player from 30+ years ago? lol.
The envy/angst of byu fans knowing we received a player they would've
welcomed w/open arms, were he interested in small-ball, & the palpable fear
they're displaying at the mere thought of having to face him on the
field.Absolutely love it.Midmajor forever.Go
Articles like this are so good at differentiating between a tds fan, and a Ute
fan. And, also clearly identifies the team the author supports.The
distinguishing factor is the level of hypocrisy displayed by each fan base, and
we all know who holds that distinction, don't we byu? If
Carrington had chosen the team in Provo it would have been due to the
"experience one can only get in Provo". But, since he chose Big Brother,
it's considered an outrage by those in happy valley. 🤢
Henry Drummond"Nice try Doug, but I don't think anyone is
buying your argument. Can't help but notice that BYU didn't appear in
your article anywhere."And why should BYU appear in an article
about a troubled athlete being kicked out of Oregon and then being welcomed at
Utah with open arms?Nice try at deflection, Henry.There
is no argument to be made; the facts speak for themselves.
The list of offenses is so long..."Besides the DUI charge,
Carrington has collected a list of off-field offenses. NBC Sports reported that
he has previously been - suspended for failing a drug test, and that
he was - cited for having an open container of alcohol. - He also
was accused of pushing a man to the ground and breaking his arm - (it was
reportedly a simple case of mistaken identity- he thought the man was
someone else he “had an issue with;” - in other words, he
didn’t mean to beat up this man, - he meant to beat up someone
else!)."that even crimson goggles wearing Utah fans saw the
futility of trying to defend them all,so the only alternative was to
blame someone else:- the DN- the writer of the article-
NBC for publishing the list of offenses- BYU- BYU fansANYBODY, except Utah and their beloved coach who was simply being
"magnanimous" in giving the kid a "second chance"despite the fact, that he's already been given second, third, and fourth
chancesfrom which he obviously didn't learn a thing,exceptthere are no consequences, as long as
you're a star football player.
@Mr. Caveman:"Another thought. So a player decides to transfer
for any reason and has to wait a year to play in the same division."Think again. In the PAC, if a player wants to transfer within the PAC,
he essentially loses two years - redshirts one year and loses one year of
eligibility (see Kylie Fitts - from UCLA to Utah). This rule does NOT apply to
senior transfers who have already graduated from a school, as long as the school
he is transferring from releases him to the new school (see Stevie T - went from
Utah to U$C). This brings up a point you Utah bashers refuse to see
- Carrington has already earned his degree. He is not some schlub passing time
until draft day. That is the only way he could have made the transfer to
Utah.@BobbyPaluga:"It seems to sent them packing for
Provo"You are correct. There are players who know they are not
good enough to crack the rotation at the U, then transfer to lesser programs to
get play time. It happens at all the good programs.Thanks for that
observation!Go Utes!OnwardIn Whitt we trust
Far be it for me to excuse bad or criminal behavior........but if CarringtonII
catches the winning touchdown on Sept 9......I might just have to cut him some
As a die hard Utes fan, my problem with this is why we are calling this a
"second chance." I think Utah should have avoided Carrington. If
it's your own player already on your roster and there is an opportunity for
second chances with your own guys - then great, we all make mistakes - usually
more than just one, and there is an opportunity for redemption so be it.
It's one thing to have someone get in trouble and another to bring in
trouble. Coach Whitt and the University of Utah can operate as they see best
until they ultimate answer to the taxpayers of Utah and the donors and students
who fund it. But let's also not pretend that the oxymoronic term
"student athlete" actually has any meaning anymore. College Football is
the development league for the NFL and most major college sports are about
economics. Having to go to school is the unfortunate consequence.
Love the stone throwing from the glass house down south by blue-goggled fans who
think their program is clean...
Those dirty filthy Utes they would do anything to win. They took a player
who's had a few strikes and are allowing him to play on their team.Thank goodness BYU would never do anything like that. It's not
like they have a starting LB in 2014 was suspended for fighting, 2015 convicted
of two counts of theft, and then suspended AGAIN for violating team rules,
wasn't allowed on the team for the entire 2016 season. Whew!
Those win at any cost Utes!
Alls I can say is if you can't beat eem, join eem.
Ernest T. Bass"When BYU picks up a kid with a troubled past
it's because they are magnanimous and wonderful at giving the kid another
chance.When anyone else does it, it's because they're
classless."Unlike at the U, BYU requires players to EARN a
second chance, but requiring them to demonstrate adherence, over an extended
period of time, to requirements specifically designed for their situation, basically, to show that they've "learned their lesson",BEFORE they are allowed to rejoin the team.That is quite
obviously not the case with Carrington, who barely had time to clear out his
locker at Oregon, before he was welcomed with open arms at the U.
ute alumni - Salt Lake City, UtahHow big is your group, seeing as
you refer to yourselves as alumni? Are you speaking for the U of U Alumni
Association? Or do you speak for a certain group of select alumni who attended
the University of Utah?
If there ever was any doubt that the DN functions as a byu-p surrogate...Doubt
utealumni - Missourians changed from what? Calling out 'hypocritical
behavior' when we see it? No, we still do that.
When byu picks up a kid with a troubled past it's because they are
magnanimous and wonderful at giving the kid another chance.When anyone
else does it, it's because they're classless. Did I get that right
The concept of student athlete disappeared years ago. If it was still alive,
our season tickets would be $100 instead of $500.
What a shock!Utah fans living in denial and playing the "shoot the messenger" and "but, everyone else is doing it"
cards, to justify the Utes taking ANY ATHLETE, regardless of their baggage, as long as they can help the Utes win
football games.The fact that Oregon was so fed up with his
law-breaking antics, that they finally dismissed him from their team,doesn't bother Utah at all.Don't kid yourself Utah
fans,this has absolutely NOTHING to do with Coach Whit giving the
kid a "second chance".
Make no mistake about it, Carrington would still be a Duck if (1) Oregon
didn't have a wealth of talented WR's, and (2) Taggart is trying to
clean up the culture of Duck football. If Taggart was in his 12th
year of coaching like Coach Whittingham he'd have more leeway.
College football has become a joke, these guys are not at the university for an
education, they are there in hopes they can play on a NFL team. All major
college football teams are part of an unpaid NFL farm system. Limit membership
on the team to those who are serious about getting an education. The football
teams of Schools like Oregon and Utah do not reflect the demographics of the
general student bodies. The football team members are largely athletes who
don't even come from the state that supports the school for the benefit of
the states residents.
ute alumni-MI is actually the abbreviation for Michigan, not Missouri. Good
I've said this before, and I'll say it again. It is hard to find
anyone in sports with more integrity than Coach Whitt (the exact reason byu
wanted to hire him - twice!). He obviously knows more about this situation than
anyone commenting on it, including Doug Robinson. I respect Coach Whitt and his
decisions. EVERY coach runs into situations where they have to make judgement
calls - including byu coaches. Don't pretend that these situations
don't arise at byu. I respect most coaches that have to make these kind of
decisions. I respected Lavell when he chose to bring back Molini - even though
it turned out horribly wrong.I will give Coach Whitt the benefit of
the doubt. If he had chosen to not bring in Carrington, I would have respected
that also. He knows infinitely more about this situation than I do. So, all you
Utah-haters can judge and throw mud, whatever makes you happy. Just don't
pretend that things do not happen at your school just because it is private and
handles everything "in house".Carry on folks!Football is here shortly!Go Utes!
JSKM1232...Takitaki is probably a poor example to cite. He didn't get a
mere "slap on the hand". He has been away from the game of football for
nearly two years for an offense that didn't put anyone's life at risk
Nice try Doug, but I don't think anyone is buying your argument. Can't
help but notice that BYU didn't appear in your article anywhere. I'm
sure that was just an oversight.
I have to agree that Carrington should likely have another chance, but only
after he has received some minor punishment, like sitting out and entire season
with no further offenses.It would be best for Carrington and for the
Thank you Ute fans for bringing up misdeeds of BYU players, because once you do
a fact check, you make Doug's point very poignantly. BYU disciplines their
player and often for offenses to the Honor code that would be ignored at any
other school; Utah, at least in this case is putting winning before their
integrity and more importantly giving this guy at a learning opportunity.
At long lastGood to see Missourians haven't changed.
Either Whittingham did not know about all the past offenses (not likely) or
there are other mitigating circumstances. Can't see Whittingham doing
something to hurt the young men he has charge over by bringing in a
multiple-offender-ringer who does not really deserve another chance.But, I must agree with Mr. Caveman. Carrington is dismissed from the team for
illegal activity and gets to play right away at the U of U. Another player
transfers from one school to another and must sit out for a year depending on
how bad he upset the coaching staff at his first school. The NCAA system is a
bit messed up.
Irony: All the moralizing about giving second chances to athletes who
don't deserve them are from people who likely voted for Donald Trump for
President.Summary: Completely worthless hot air.
Old But Not Informed:You obviously did not research the entire
situation. He did not get hit over the head at a bar until after he had been
kicked off the team, and out of school - for a SECOND time. Both off his
dismissals were fort the same offenses. If he was a regular student at byu, he
never would have been readmitted. A little knowledge goes a long
way.Can't cherry pick your way out of this one.
Van Noy faced his issues before he was a student and had to give up a year of
eligibility to play for BYU. Takitaki sat out last year.Mess up,
pay a fine for your behavior - BYU absolutely does that - there are stories of
guys escaping consequences, back in the days of Jimmy Mac it might have been so,
but in the last few years the #3 BB team suspended a player and dropped down
fast, Jamaal Williams sat out the season before last season. BYU isn't
perfect, and the program isn't perfect, but they try.I was
softer on this until I saw the updates about the other problems - it's a
long list. Talented kid, but thus far he's proven himself as a liability
off the field.
Coach Whit and Utah can do whatever they want. Maybe we don't know the
whole story.However those that bring up Van Noy or Takitaki as BYU
examples not quite the same. Van Noy DUI was in high school and he was released
from his LOI by Byu and if he wanted to still come he had to sit out a year.
Also Takitaki was petty theft and he was suspended for a whole year. So
don't make them out like they are the same punishments. When Utah starts
suspending players for a year for similar offenses get back to me.
"What does this do to the morale of players who have been working for months
to earn their spot on the team — following rules, lifting weights, doing
everything asked of them — and then a new guy shows up at camp and moves
to the front of the line?"It seems to sent them packing for
Sorry utes - you get to eat this one. I'm sure that the ever-classy coach
Whitt will make sure that this young student-athlete toes the line. Right.
The point Ute fans are missing here when comparing Carrington's situation
with Takitaki and Van Noy is there are ZERO consequences for Carrington. Did
Takitaki play last year? Did Van Noy come from his DUI arrest straight to BYU?
Both had to go through suspensions and had to prove themselves. And Vegas Ute,
what about Trevor Molini? Such a sad case of someone that had all the talent in
the world, got into trouble and was expelled from BYU. Never played for anyone
after that. Great comparison though.
Wow....some Utah fans are pretty sensitive I guess.It's just an
Doug, time to get back to the real issues at your favorite school of an
undersized OL that can't gain weight and a TE that's learning to catch
Such a morally superior attitude by a DN Mormon writer. Hard to imagine - not!
@VegasUte - Las Vegas, NVAug. 9, 2017 10:20 a.m."Research
Trevor Molini and get back to us."Took your advice....so you
think getting bashed over the head while working as a bar Bouncer is the moral
equivalent of the FIFTH chance Witt has granted Carrington??No
wonder our nation is in such deep trouble.
Mr. Robinson, Any attempt at objectivity in writing would have also included in
the story of Utah giving Josh Gordon a second chance only to have him not live
up to conditions and thus never seeing the field at Utah. This, even when, he
would have been Utah's best receiver. (Although he never played for Utah he
went on to the NFL and is still playing there.)
Another thought. So a player decides to transfer for any reason and has to wait
a year to play in the same division. A player breaks a major team rule and the
NCAA approves that player to transfer to another team in the division? This is the same as a student wants to attend the school down the street and
has to wait a year, but a bully hits someone and the superintendent sends him to
the school down the street weeks later. Punish the good, reward the bad.
Awful!Everything about this situation is wrong and ethically
immoral. This is so messed up. The integrity of the school took a huge hit
accepting this kid.
Doug Robinson did not take issue with BYU bringing back Sione Takitaki a third
time after getting kicked out for theft and other issues. I don't recall
Doug Robinson having a problem with Kyle Van Noy when BYU brought him in after a
highly publicized DUI.Does Doug have a problem with all scholarship
students that have misdemeanor charges brought against them? Or just Utah
football players who are set to make a big difference on the team? Why
aren't all students held to the same standard?Doug, why
didn't you have a problem with Utah bringing in Garrett Bolles after all
his problems? Are you more critical of black players? Sure looks like it.
Expelled for a DUI? Perfect fit for the u. And no EK. BYU fans
are not nervous about the quality of the u program. It does not matter how good
the receivers if you don't have a QB that can deliver the ball and an
offensive line that cannot protect.
Doug:Research Trevor Molini and get back to us.
Doug, I think this article is tough, but honestly to the point. When I had
first heard of Mr. Carrington's recruitment by the Utes, I sided with
giving Coach Whitt. the decisions about what was best for this young man, a
decision coaches have to make all the time. But with this new
information about multiple offenses, it seems faulty judgment to allow him to
play football on your college team without a time of restitution and change. I
believe he just had his plea in court several days ago! What this clearly says
to Mr. Carrington, or to any player in a like situation, is that you can be
above justice because you're "special." This always hurts a
player, or any other individual, far more than it helps them. I want
this young man to have a great life in the future, but this is not the best way
to help him.There should be a standard for the players that matches the
one for other students. Period.
Ah, Doug. Your theme of "student-athlete" being nothing but a myth is
so misplaced here. It has obviously escaped your notice that despite whatever
else you say about DCII, he IS a student-athlete. He has his degree and is very
athletic. Doug, you've failed Journalism 101.
It couldn't be that Doug Robinson is trying to help Coach Whittingham and
the U of U program, who we have all respected, come to their senses, could it?
All of his points are spot on, for any university whose athletic programs are
being sold out like this.Those of you who are trying to excuse this by
saying everyone does it, please, you wake up too, and think about the inevitable
end game. Think about how long, even you will be able to stomach the scandals
in collegiate sports that will only increase with this attitude of leniency and
Robinson is correct but a bias journalist. You can make a list Carrington
stories for every team: Alabama, Utah, Oregon, Utah St, byu. He sure makes you
want to read the SLTribune, rather than DN.
Doug, his local media cohorts and the rest of the the happy valley supporters
are very worried about how good Utah could be with the addition of Carrington.
What a bash on the University of Utah football program and Darren Carrington.
Can't believe you even considered writing this article. Should every team
just not give him a chance then?
Doug, I completely agree with you that the terms "student-athlete" and
"this guy deserves a second chance" are just myths to justify schools
improving their talent...or how did you put it, solely "mercenary"? But since when is this news? This kind of duplicity has been going on
for a very long time and it goes on EVERYWHERE, not just at Utah. I'm a
BYU fan and everyone that sees my comments knows I have no problem ribbing the
Utes and their fans, but this article seems a little disingenuous and designed
to slam what is typically a pretty clean program under Kyle Whittingham. Is it
about giving Carrington a second chance or education? Of course not, but when
were you under the delusion that recruiting and/or "mercenary" moves
were a new thing in today's competitive CFB landscape. So rant
all you want about the corruption of CFB in such ways, because you are
absolutely right. But throwing Utah under the bus just to serve your bias is
beneath you...I like most of your articles. This one, not so much.
Well Mr. Robinson, you mentioned all the troubled players at every school except
BYU. Have there never been any at the Y? Remember Sione Takitaki?
T-Owens is available as well. He's also a top notch class. He was also
given fourth chances. Can we get him on the team too?