Morning links: Harvey Langi gaining momentum; Utes, Cougars bowl game destinations predicted

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  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 15, 2017 8:35 a.m.

    Hey BlueCoug! Is your point that you have no point? Because MRM specifically set the metric to "bowl" wins. Not "regular season" wins. And our best "bowl" win WAS Ga Tech in the 2011 Sun Bowl!

    Move the goal posts much?

    Fail.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 14, 2017 9:21 p.m.

    "But only we/TCU achieved BCS glory....byu never even remotely sniffed a BCS bowl game, let alone won one."

    Ah, the BCS bowl win; the pinnacle of college football! If only BYU had got to experience the best college football has to offer!

    All the national accolades and stuff just seems meaningless when compared to a bowl win.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Aug. 14, 2017 7:55 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    @ In the Final 2011 AP rankings
    #26 BYU(10-3)

    "Go ahead & list BYU's SOS ranking from that year...."

    SOS is irrelevant, since it's already baked into the final rankings.

    As much as Utah fans desperately try "qualify" rankings with their own biased opinions,

    a #1 ranking with a #126 SOS

    is just as legitimate as

    a #1 ranking with a #1 SOS

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 14, 2017 7:12 p.m.

    MRM--You merely stated your unsubstantiated opinions, nothing more....When it comes to bowl game prominence, we're palpably superior to byu, period.

    And cease w/this myth byu was superior back in The MWC....We both won championships, along w/TCU....But only we/TCU achieved BCS glory....byu never even remotely sniffed a BCS bowl game, let alone won one.

    And now they're utterly nationally irrelevant in The CFP Era, period.

    byu also can't ever beat us anymore, period....In less than 1 month, we'll easily make it 7 in a row & counting.

    les has become our 2nd home during the previous 2 decades, where we've gone 6-3, soon to become 7-3.

    "In the Final 2011 AP rankings
    #26 BYU(10-3)"

    Go ahead & list byu's SOS ranking from that year....Then list even 1 single signature W they accomplished to justify even being remotely close to being ranked....A 54-10 beatdown on byu's homefield comes to mind.

    Go Utes!

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Aug. 14, 2017 3:54 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "But in my opinion, Ga Tech was our best bowl win since joining the Pac-12."

    You're welcome to your opinion, but, per AP and Sagarin, BYU was MUCH better than Georgia Tech in 2011

    In the Final 2011 AP rankings
    #26 BYU(10-3)

    Neither Utah nor Georgia Tech received a single vote.

    In Sagarin
    #34 BYU
    #56 Georgia Tech

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    And, BYU 2015 was MUCH better than Georgia Tech 2011

    In 2015, BYU finished
    #37 AP
    #39 Sagarin

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 14, 2017 3:24 p.m.

    MRM:

    "BYU is, by far, THE BEST team Utah has beaten in a bowl since joining the PAC 12."

    Says YOU! But in my opinion, Ga Tech was our best bowl win since joining the Pac-12. A win over an 8-5 ACC team trumps beating an unranked midmajor any day.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 14, 2017 3:24 p.m.

    MRM

    "And let's not go through the meaningless exercise of identifying "current P5 teams", because the SMU Pony Express team that BYU beat in the Miracle Bowl would have destroyed the vast majority of Utah's bowl opponents."

    Marshall and Tulane would have destroyed the vast majority of Utah's bowl opponents.

    Utah fans love to hide behind labels, because a more objective examination of the actual teams proves just how weak many of Utah's bowl opponents have been,

    and just how strong many of BYU's bowl opponents have been.

  • MRM Ogden, UT
    Aug. 14, 2017 3:15 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "Now, take it the distance & list which teams finished the year ranked."

    Utah has only beaten TWO bowl opponents that finished the year ranked in both polls.

    Even your glorious, BCS busting, Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh, only finished the season ranked in one poll, and that, just barely, at #25.

    Now, take it the real distance and list the final records and rankings of BYU's and Utah's bowl teams, which is all that really matters.

  • MRM Ogden, UT
    Aug. 14, 2017 3:06 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "Go ahead & list opponents....BYU has clearly played against their fare share of patsies during their own history..."

    21 of BYU's 35 bowl opponents (60%) have been ranked , 20 in both major polls.

    6 of Utah's 20 bowl opponents (30%) have been ranked, only 4 in both polls.

    And let's not go through the meaningless exercise of identifying "current P5 teams", because the SMU Pony Express team that BYU beat in the Miracle Bowl would have destroyed the vast majority of Utah's bowl opponents.

    While BYU was winning conference championships and representing the WAC and MWC conferences as the best team from the conference and playing top teams from other conferences, Utah, when the Utes were good enough to qualify for a bowl, were playing the scrubs from other conferences, just like they've been doing since joining the PAC 12.

    BYU is, by far, THE BEST team Utah has beaten in a bowl since joining the PAC 12.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 14, 2017 3:03 p.m.

    "Ok, here goes:"

    Now, take it the distance & list which teams finished the year ranked.

    "Wait, I thought you guys say it's all about P5/non-P5 conference!"

    We were not a Bcs/P5 school @ that time, same as Bsu.

    Why didn't you list our record over our last 11 bowl games? And why did you choose the number "11"?

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 14, 2017 2:28 p.m.

    You failed to take it the distance....The next step would be to list which opponents finished the year ranked.

    "Wait, I thought you guys say it's all about P5/non-P5 conference!"

    We were a non-BCS/-P5 team @ the time, same as top 10 BSU.

    This is really too easy.

    Go Utes!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 14, 2017 2:15 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar:

    AZUTE1 bet that you'd chicken out of listing Utah's bowl record over OUR last 11, and you proved him right. Haha!

    And yes, point margins ARE irrelevant. Take the 2011 game for example. Up 54-10, with 35-sec. left, at 3rd-&-1 on YOUR 19-yd line. We could have gone for the 1st-Down. We could have took a shot at the Endzone. And we EASILY could have kicked a FG to stretch that margin of victory...

    ...but we DIDN'T! And not because we couldn't. It was because we didn't need to. We'd already won that game. But that doesn't mean that we were only "44-pts better". At worst, we'd have been 47-pts better, and most likely 51-pts better. Yet we ended the game at +44 anyway, which PROVES that "point margin" is in fact an irrelevant matter, and only serves to gin up a "moral victory" for the indy-WACers to help assuage the anguish over having been so "dominated" this past quarter century.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 14, 2017 2:03 p.m.

    "Go ahead & list opponents...."

    Ok, here goes:

    Utah bowl opponents: (from Wikipedia)
    New Meixco
    Hawaii
    West Virginia
    Washington State
    USC
    Arizona
    Wisconsin
    Fresno State
    USC (x2)
    Southern Miss
    Pittsburgh (x2)
    Georgia Tech (x2)
    Tulsa
    Navy
    Alabama
    California
    Boise State
    Colorado State
    BYU
    Indiana

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    BYU bowl opponents: (from BYU's site, also on Wikipedia)
    Oklahoma State (x2)
    Navy
    Indiana
    SMU
    Washington State
    Ohio State (x3)
    Missouri
    Michigan
    UCLA (x2)
    Virginia
    Colorado
    Penn State
    Texas A&M
    Iowa
    Kansas
    Oklahoma
    Kansas State
    Tulane
    Marshall
    Louisville
    California
    Oregon
    Arizona
    Oregon State
    UTEP
    Tulsa
    San Diego State
    Washington
    Memphis
    Utah
    Wyoming

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    Which ones are currently in a P5 conference?
    Utah: 14 out of their 21 games
    BYU: 26 out of their 35 games

    "w/a top 10 opponent as his sole L...."

    Wait, I thought you guys say it's all about P5/non-P5 conference! Is it about quality of the opponent/team, or which conference the opponent/team comes from? You guys have got to make up your minds as to which standard you are using.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 14, 2017 12:42 p.m.

    "I was going to bring up bowl opponents, but Truth Machine already did. No more to add. I did a long time ago, so you can use Naval Vet's special "dig up years old comments" skills to find it."

    Go ahead & list opponents....byu has clearly played against their fare share of patsies during their own history....Just the same as the vast majority of their annual regular season opponents....Yet, they have such a poor overall record, that it would take literally years of consecutive Ws just to bring it up to .500.

    There's a reason people talking /writing about us mention Coach Kw's remarkable bowl game record, w/a top 10 opponent as his sole L....He also straight owns byu in the W/L column, period.

    Go Utes!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 14, 2017 12:16 p.m.

    "Way to cherry-pick....While you're at it, go ahead & list our record over the last 11....I bet you don't.

    byu's overall bowl game winning % is super weak, ours is outstanding, period."

    I was going to bring up bowl opponents, but Truth Machine already did. No more to add. I did a long time ago, so you can use Naval Vet's special "dig up years old comments" skills to find it.

    "That's why you cling so steadfastly to the irrelevance of point margins. Utah has ABSOLUTELY been 'dominating' this series."

    If you think point margins are irrelevant when it comes to "dominating", then I've got some beach front property here to sell you.

    "It's not a false narrative. You guys really ARE spinning your losses as moral victories."

    Oh look, the typical hater "nu hu" response. No matter how many times I explain it (as I have already done so many times already), you haters will ALWAYS believe we are "bragging about a loss" or "spinning it as a victory".

    Google "most obsessed fans" and click "I'm Feeling Lucky".

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 14, 2017 11:35 a.m.

    "BYU is 7-4 in the last 11 bowl games. Last I checked that isn't "most".

    Also, how did that game against Girlsie State go? I thought you were so superior to such "midmajors". BYU's performance in bowl games isn't flawless, but don't pretend Utah's is."

    Way to cherry-pick....While you're at it, go ahead & list our record over the last 11....I bet you don't.

    byu's overall bowl game winning % is super weak, ours is outstanding, period.

    And that Bsu team was top 10....How did that game go against mighty Memphis? Where did they finish ranked?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Aug. 14, 2017 10:11 a.m.

    Riverton Cougar:

    It's not a false narrative. You guys really ARE spinning your losses as moral victories. That's why you cling so steadfastly to the irrelevance of point margins. Utah has ABSOLUTELY been "dominating" this series. That's why we've won 11 out of 14. If the series were as "even" as you indy-WACers have been insisting, then you all would have won somewhere between 6 to 8 of those. But you didn't. You only won 3. That's being "dominated".

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 14, 2017 10:07 a.m.

    "6 in a row? Means nothing, Riv Coog sez."

    "Phil Steele sez we'll be worse? Oh no, we're worse than byu-p!!!!!

    LOOOL!!!!"

    Yes, Tommy, I'm literally "LOOOL(ing)" because you sound like your commenting on a One Direction Fan Club site.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 14, 2017 2:37 a.m.

    Congrats to Harvey. He's a talented kid who has paired his talent with a great work ethic. What a great situation and opportunity he has to play with a great team and coach and a perennial Super Bowl favorite.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 13, 2017 9:46 p.m.

    "Uh oh, guys... some prognosticator says we'll finish 10 spots worse than byu-p! Might as well not even play this year!

    6 in a row? Means nothing, Riv Coog sez."

    You are hitting an all-time low with your comments (not just the one quoted above).

    With the attitude you haters have, you'd think BYU would never ever beat Utah again. Might as well not even play this year, then!

    As for 6 in a row, 5 close games out of 6 implies that the game will be close. I don't see how you can't see that. Claiming dominance is foolish.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 13, 2017 8:56 p.m.

    "It's embarrassing how some of you guys continue to try and spin this as a victory."

    It's so common now for the haters to push this false narrative that it is not surprising. No, we do NOT try to spin it as a victory. We merely bring it up because if Utah were really as high and mighty as the haters make them sound, and if BYU were as low and pathetic as the haters make them sound, then Utah would have won by more than a single point on a last-minute play, at home, against such a "lowly" team breaking in a brand new HC, OC, DC, offense, and defense.

    We bring it up to bring the haters back to reality: the games are close, so claiming that one side is "dominant" is ridiculous.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 13, 2017 4:49 p.m.

    Tommy red and JohnSLC: actually big time programs and CFB promoters DO care about kickoff games in Jerry World, Atlanta, and Texas NRG Stadium. Obviously you're out of touch with CFB marketing.

    So just for fun why don't you look up the programs scheduled for CFB kickoff promotional games this year and last year...names like Alabama (twice), USC, Florida State, Florida, Michigan, South Carolina, North Carolina, Notre Dame, Clemson, Georgia, Auburn, GT, Tennessee, and much to your dismay and angst, BYU (not ONE G5 school in ANY of those games). But yeah only "small time" programs care about that stuff right? FAIL

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 13, 2017 10:55 a.m.

    "Btw, what are the respective bowl game winning %s for each school? Very telling.

    We win virtually all of ours, while byu loses most of theirs."

    BYU is 7-4 in the last 11 bowl games. Last I checked that isn't "most".

    Also, how did that game against Girlsie State go? I thought you were so superior to such "midmajors". BYU's performance in bowl games isn't flawless, but don't pretend Utah's is.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 13, 2017 10:53 a.m.

    "says a member of a fanbase that made the first five comments in this thread. And no, it's not a byu-p article.

    #burned"

    That's your retort when I point out the obvious-- that many Ute "fans" are obsessed with BYU? And then you say "burned"? Ok. You sure got me with that one...

    And did you notice that 7 of the next 9 and 9 of the next 12 where from Ute fans/"fans"?

    Besides, did I ever say or imply it was a BYU-only article? No.
    Does it have to be for the haters to show their obsession with all things BYU? Obviously not; they hate BYU anytime, anywhere.

    Now excuse me while I put a band-aid on my "burn" (such a bad burn, lol).

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    Aug. 13, 2017 10:55 a.m.

    Riverton Cougar - Riverton, UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 5:54 p.m.

    Besides, what do you call a school that last year barely managed a 1-point last minute victory at home...

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    It's embarrassing how some of you guys continue to try and spin this as a victory.

    10 years ago, your fan base wouldn't have been caught dead bragging about a thing like this.

    Just shows you how bad things have gotten.

    You seriously sound like Utah State now.

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    Aug. 13, 2017 10:50 a.m.

    Riverton Cougar - Riverton, UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 5:54 p.m.

    ....meaning he thinks BYU would do better against Utah's schedule than Utah would. Ouch.

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    LOL!!!

    You seriously think that hurts?

    Oh man that's rich.

    Uh oh, guys... some prognosticator says we'll finish 10 spots worse than byu-p! Might as well not even play this year!

    6 in a row? Means nothing, Riv Coog sez.

    Three straight seasons in the CFP playoff 25? Nothing.

    repeated success in a power conference? Nothing.

    Phil Steele sez we'll be worse? Oh no, we're worse than byu-p!!!!!

    LOOOL!!!!

    This is what we Ute fans mean all the time when we say you all love preseason championships.

    Your repeated efforts to make byu-p the better program despite nearly a decade of failures compared to Utah is embarrassing.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 13, 2017 10:01 a.m.

    @PAC: "if qualifying for a bowl is soooo easy, please explain why your Utes were so inept that they only played in TWO bowl games in their first ONE HUNDRED seasons of football - 1892 to 1991."

    @Uteology: [crickets]

    LOL at how you completely dodged explaining why, if qualifying for a bowl is so easy, the Utes have been so historically inept at qualifying for a bowl that you only played in TWO bowl games in your first 100 years of football.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 13, 2017 9:44 a.m.

    Uteology

    Speaking of playing inept bowl opponents,

    BYU has played more ranked bowl opponents (21), than Utah has played bowls.

    It's absolutely hysterical how Utah fans are so obsessed with SOS during the regular season, then completely ignore Utah extremely inept list of bowl opponents.

    In their entire history, the Utes have only played 4 bowl opponents that finished ranked in the Top 25 in both polls.

    Last season's bowl opponent, Indiana(6-7), finished #69 in Sagarin.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 13, 2017 9:25 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Utah is ranked #25 in the Amway Coaches Poll, BYU is not."

    LOL at your inconsistency

    You've always claimed that Phil Steele is THE most accurate prognosticator of college football.

    In Phil Steele's Pre-Season Top 40
    BYU is ranked #27
    Utah isn't even ranked

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 13, 2017 6:46 a.m.

    @PAC
    btw, if qualifying for a bowl is soooo easy,

    please explain why your Utes were so inept that they only played in TWO bowl games in their first ONE HUNDRED seasons of football - 1892 to 1991.

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    Speaking of inept, Utah has more bowl wins since 1991 then BYU has since 1922.

    UTAH bowl record‎: ‎16–4 (.800)‎

    BYU bowl record‎: ‎14–20–1 (.414)‎

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 13, 2017 6:02 a.m.

    CG - Provo, UT
    Aug. 13, 2017 12:15 a.m.
    Tommy red

    Regardless of how you spin it, midpacmajor utah-slc is still projected to finish 10 spots behind BYU.

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    Utah is ranked #25 in the Amway Coaches Poll, BYU is not.

    About the BYU hype videos... cool!

  • CG Provo, UT
    Aug. 13, 2017 12:15 a.m.

    Tommy red

    Regardless of how you spin it, midpacmajor utah-slc is still projected to finish 10 spots behind BYU.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 12, 2017 7:43 p.m.

    "Boy, I just can't hide my envy!"

    Make no mistake about it, byu would give their collective left arm to be invited to the Sun/FF bowls, what w/their prestige/payouts.

    Instead, byu is stuck with 6-figure/soon to be defunct/no name bowls.

    Btw, what are the respective bowl game winning %s for each school? Very telling.

    We win virtually all of ours, while byu loses most of theirs.

    Go Utes!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 5:54 p.m.

    "If you'd bothered to read his post, you'd see he fully acknowledged that.

    Why else would Utah be projected 10 spots behind a small-ball midmajor like byu-p?"

    The point LonestarRunner was trying to make is that despite SOS and all that, Phil Steele predicts BYU to be better than Utah. In other words, Phil Steele-- accounting for the fact that Utah's SOS is ranked higher-- STILL says BYU will be a better team than Utah. Being in the 40's against that SOS you say is impressive, but the rankings are intended to consider all factors to determine the best teams, meaning he thinks BYU would do better against Utah's schedule than Utah would. Ouch. Congrats on the SOS trophy, though.

    Besides, what do you call a school that last year barely managed a 1-point last minute victory at home against a supposed small-ball 2-star-recruit-quality midmajor that was breaking in a brand new HC, OC, DC, offense, and defense? What do you call that same school that is predicted to be 10 places lower than said "small-ball midmajor"? Just curious.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 3:54 p.m.

    Juicebox:
    "Hello Independence and Mac and Cheese Bowls for the rest of every cougar fan's life!"

    What's sad about this statement is that U have done no better with bowl games even riding the coattails of the flag bearers of your conference. Let's see, in the 6 years U have been in the "Conference of Champions Not Named Utah", U have been to the Sun Bowl (don't worry U won't have to go again this year), no bowl, no bowl, the LV Bowl twice, and the Foster Chicken Bowl. Boy, I just can't hide my envy!

    It's cruel actually that the power-brokers of the PAC-10 that threw Utah a bone have given their fans the pipedream that their post season destinations or relevance will be any better than it was in the MWC. How unfortunate for the poor red fans who wake up every day feeling like they actually have a chance...it is kind of cute though.

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    Aug. 12, 2017 12:01 p.m.

    LonestarRunner - Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 9:53 a.m.

    The rest of your post is nothing but spin, because EVERY factor you stated was ALREADY INCLUDED in Phil Steele's analysis.

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    If you'd bothered to read his post, you'd see he fully acknowledged that.

    Why else would Utah be projected 10 spots behind a small-ball midmajor like byu-p?

    LOL

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    Aug. 12, 2017 11:59 a.m.

    Riverton Cougar - Riverton, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:18 p.m.

    The obsession is strong in these comments. Keep proving BYU's relevance!

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    says a member of a fanbase that made the first five comments in this thread. And no, it's not a byu-p article.

    #burned

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    Aug. 12, 2017 11:57 a.m.

    JohnInSLC - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 6:55 p.m.

    Wooo-eeee!! To Pac12 members, that's the equivalent of: "The new phone books are here! The new phone books are here!"

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    Yep.

    That's something fans of midmajor small time programs care about.

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    Aug. 12, 2017 11:51 a.m.

    Juice Box - Eureka, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 11:14 a.m.

    Hello Independence and Mac and Cheese Bowls for the rest of every cougar fan's life!

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    LOL!!!

  • You know it Layton, UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 10:07 a.m.

    The most fascinating part of this article and its comments section is that it legitimizes pre-season rankings, way-too-early projections, and 'pre-participation awards' (as if participation awards weren't bad enough).

    Just look at the people fighting over whether El Paso or Shreveport (or Missouri) is a place they look forward to visiting this December, and then analyzing the quality of their supposed opponent (who hasn't even played a game yet). Go ahead and book your tickets already!

    The reality is that as long as people consume this stuff (and yes, I'm doing that right now too) someone will create a projection, no matter how flawed.

    My big problem with all of this is that pre-season projections and rankings tend to prop some teams up and hold other teams back making it very difficult for an unexpectedly good team to rise high enough in the rankings to get considered for a playoff berth.

    Last year, Notre Dame was pre-season #10 and finished with a 4-8 record. In 2012, USC was pre-season #1 and finished 7-6 with a bowl loss. Last year, Penn State started unranked and finished at #7.

    I don't think we should be ranking teams until week 4, but there's money to be made.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 9:53 a.m.

    Who am I sir?

    Phil Steele ranked
    BYU #33
    Utah #43

    The rest of your post is nothing but spin, because EVERY factor you stated was ALREADY INCLUDED in Phil Steele's analysis.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 12, 2017 9:22 a.m.

    I see the inferiority complex shown here by the BYU obsessed in the comments spiked a little when they find out their teams bowl projections.
    I project another lethargic offense for their team will give them a 50% chance at a bowl invite this year.
    As for their obsession, BYU, I am very excited to see them play this year. The Defense played well enough last season for BYU to will all their games. The offense could not get it done against the best defenses last year. The Defense looks to be better this season and the offense looks like it has finally reached the potential of being like the high scoring, wide open offenses from BYU's glory days.
    Can't wait for the season to start.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Aug. 11, 2017 11:22 p.m.

    Good for Harvey Langi!

    Here are 2 of my predictions:

    1 - BYU beats Utah this year.

    2 - At the end of the season, BYU will be ranked in the Top 25.....around 16-20, and Utah will not be ranked in the Top 25.

    Go Cougars!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:26 p.m.

    @Roadrunner

    "Remind us where Phil Steele ranked BYU and Utah in his power poll?"

    Happy to do so! Utah was ranked #43 and BYU was ranked #33!

    Phil Steele undoubtedly considered these facts: 1) Utah had 8 players drafted from last years team. 2 of them would have been seniors this year had they not turned professional. (I believe there were three schools in the nation that had more. In the nation: that includes Alabama, Michigan, USC, etc. Speaking of USC, Utah had the most of any PAC-12 school) 2)
    Utah also had 8 players signed to Free agency contracts. In addition they have a new offensive coordinator (so what else is new?) 3) They play the 14th ranked (by Phil Steele) hardest schedule of all 130 FBS teams. To be ranked as high as #43 is indeed beyond this fan's imagination considering these factors. (Not to mention the Utes have be ranked in other preseason polls in the top 25!)

    On the other hand a team that plays the 84th hardest schedule that includes 7 teams ranked over 100 + a FCS team will have so many automatic wins it is hard to justify a 8-10 win team ranking less than the mid 30's IMO!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:18 p.m.

    The obsession is strong in these comments. Keep proving BYU's relevance!

    If a simple statement about someone saying they like Missouri a lot better than El Paso is enough the obessors this excited, then something great must be going on in Provo that's drawing their attention.

    "Syracuse? Really, Syracuse? A team Phil Steele has ranked as the 67th most powerful team in the FBS? That's 6 places better than Arizona and 7 places better than Cal. The two lowest ranked teams in the PAC-12."

    No, that can't be. . . P5 teams are the BEST! No such thing as a bad P5 (unless they lose to BYU, then they are clearly terrible).

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:13 p.m.

    I love all the banter about bowl games and which ones are better.

    The only bowl game between the two was another victory for UTAH.

    Six in a row and counting...

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 8:22 p.m.

    Who am I sir?

    Remind us where Phil Steele ranked BYU and Utah in his power poll?

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 8:09 p.m.

    IrieUte

    Nice try, but 1991 wasn't 100 years ago.

    Things did change in the 1990's.

    As more and more bowls were added, and it became easier and easier to get a bowl invitation,

    the Utes FINALLY got their THIRD bowl invitation ever, in 1992, after a thirty-seven year drought.

    Doing the math, only TWO-PERCENT of Utah teams managed to qualify for a bowl until 1992.

    btw, the rest of the world has known that the earth was round for centuries; it's great to hear that they've finally discovered that on the hill.

  • The Blue Side Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 7:28 p.m.

    @ My Rash is Red: Love your screen name dude!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 6:55 p.m.

    "I don't recall Utah ever kicking off the season in an NFL stadium. BYU has been there several times"

    Bluehusky:

    Wooo-eeee!! To Pac12 members, that's the equivalent of: "The new phone books are here! The new phone books are here!"

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 6:30 p.m.

    Syracuse? Really, Syracuse? A team Phil Steele has ranked as the 67th most powerful team in the FBS? That's 6 places better than Arizona and 7 places better than Cal. The two lowest ranked teams in the PAC-12. Hopefully, this poll is wrong! None of the other projections have them playing BYU in a bowl game.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Aug. 11, 2017 6:11 p.m.

    BYU is playing in a bowl in Game 2. I don't recall Utah ever kicking off the season in an NFL stadium. BYU has been there several times, starting with 1984 Kickoff.

    However, the U has two great bowl games back when they were in the MTN. Nothing since.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 6:03 p.m.

    "The Holiday Bowl is in Holiday, Utah."

    jello rash:

    Way to double-down on the faux pas! There is no Holiday in Utah; at least according to the folks in Holladay, Utah

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 5:35 p.m.

    The hypocrisy of the blue faithful is always good for a laugh. In these posts they claim 2014 is ancient history, while 1984 is the not too distant past. 😂

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 4:38 p.m.

    "No team will ever be invited to the Miami Beach Bowl... since it died a merciful death in 2016."

    Bluecoog:

    Are the coogs trying to set a record--for appearing in the most soon-to-be-defunct bowl games? Miami Beach Brawl . . . err . . . Bowl, and the Poinsettia Bowl are the two most recent victims.

    Nice legacy, the Dr. Kevorkian of college football bowls.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 3:06 p.m.

    My rash is red is a little embarrassed. Good effort on the cover-up. Hahahaha.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 2:21 p.m.

    My Rash is Red - ,
    Aug. 11, 2017 1:40 p.m

    "Dude, please catch up and try understanding a little sarcasm when its dished out. Yes I think the Independence Bowl is in Independence Missouri. It's also played by the best Independant team. The Holiday Bowl is in Holiday, Utah. The Orange Bowl is in Orange County, California. and finally the Vegas Bowl is in Vegas. (Wait, that is in Vegas, right?) Good thing I still know where the toilet bowl is."

    FAIL.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 1:52 p.m.

    @Juuicebox

    For a dirty team....see Utah.
    Top ten in personal fouls over the last ten years.

  • My Rash is Red ,
    Aug. 11, 2017 1:40 p.m.

    @Carnak - Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 12:16 p.m.

    "My Rash is Red - ,
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:38 a.m

    This guy thinks the Independence bowl is in Independence Mo.

    LOL"

    Dude, please catch up and try understanding a little sarcasm when its dished out. Yes I think the Independence Bowl is in Independence Missouri. It's also played by the best Independant team. The Holiday Bowl is in Holiday, Utah. The Orange Bowl is in Orange County, California. and finally the Vegas Bowl is in Vegas. (Wait, that is in Vegas, right?) Good thing I still know where the toilet bowl is.

  • IrieUte west valley, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 1:25 p.m.

    Pac man: the world also used to be flat. Things change after hundreds of years.

    Go Utes!!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 11, 2017 1:17 p.m.

    Juice Box

    "Of course they will. Anyone can go to a bowl game when they schedule Wagner caliber teams for at least 6 games of the season."

    Name a team that has scheduled six Wagner-caliber teams in the same season.

    Wagner was ranked #239 by Sagarin in 2015 and BYU only scheduled them because they were the ONLY team available when BYU was forced to reschedule several games at the last minute in order to add Missouri to their 2015 schedule.

    BYU's 2015 schedule also included Nebraska, Boise St, Michigan, UCLA, Cincinnati, and Missouri, yet even with a narrow bowl loss to Utah, BYU finished 9-4.

    btw, if qualifying for a bowl is soooo easy,

    please explain why your Utes were so inept that they only played in TWO bowl games in their first ONE HUNDRED seasons of football - 1892 to 1991.

    Don't forget, Utah's schedules in the RMC, WAC, and MWC were filled with opponents like 2-10 UNLV, which shut U out 0-27.

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 12:50 p.m.

    Blue Coug,

    "It's interesting how Utah fans were claiming after BYU declared Independence in 2010, that BYU would have trouble getting Bowl invitations, yet here we are 7 years later and national media simply assumes that BYU will be playing in a bowl, just like they have for the last 12 seasons in a row."

    Of course they will. Anyone can go to a bowl game when they schedule Wagner caliber teams for at least 6 games of the season. Dur!

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 11, 2017 12:49 p.m.

    Juice Box - Eureka, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 11:14 a.m.

    This guy thinks the Miami Beach Bowl still exists and that bowl organizers care whether a team has been involved in a brawl sometime in the distant past.

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 12:45 p.m.

    Juice Box

    "Let's not forget that BYU will never be invited to the Miami Beach Bowl again."

    Before spouting off...

    try doing a little research into how many elite football programs have been involved in brawls over the years and how many of those teams will no longer be invited to play in a bowl game.

    The truth is, BYU's Beach Brawl will have absolutely ZERO affect on BYU's bowl prospects.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 12:40 p.m.

    Carnak

    "This guy thinks the Independence bowl is in Independence Mo. LOL"
    ----------
    Too bad it's not... Independence, MO > Shreveport, LA.

    I've been to both and have no desire to go back to either. Been to El Paso too, and though it's nothing to write home about I'd far rather go there in Dec than Shreveport. Sadly when it comes right down to it the Independence Bowl would be a great reward for BYU this year considering the more likely bowl destinations ESPN will put them in.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 12:24 p.m.

    Cougar fans would LOVE to land the Independence Bowl.

    The are officially slated for an "ESPN Events" run bowl game:
    Armed Forces Bowl
    Birmingham Bowl
    Bahamas Bowl
    Boca Raton Bowl
    Camellia Bowl
    Celebration Bowl
    Famous Idaho Potato Bowl
    Frisco Bowl
    Hawaii Bowl
    Heart of Dallas Bowl
    Las Vegas Bowl (2001–present)
    New Mexico Bowl
    St. Petersburg Bowl
    Texas Bowl

    What is the best of these?

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Aug. 11, 2017 12:25 p.m.

    At USC - coaches get fired for going to the Foster Farms Corndog Bowl.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 12:16 p.m.

    My Rash is Red - ,
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:38 a.m

    This guy thinks the Independence bowl is in Independence Mo.

    LOL

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 12:16 p.m.

    Juice Box

    No team will ever be invited to the Miami Beach Bowl...

    since it died a merciful death in 2016.

    It's interesting how Utah fans were claiming after BYU declared Independence in 2010, that BYU would have trouble getting Bowl invitations, yet here we are 7 years later and national media simply assumes that BYU will be playing in a bowl, just like they have for the last 12 seasons in a row.

    Something that the Utes will never accomplish.

  • GoGetter Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 11:28 a.m.

    @65TossPowerTrap,

    "At USC - coaches get fired for going to the Sun Bowl."

    They would also get fired going to an Independence bowl.

    Lol Fail!

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    Aug. 11, 2017 11:27 a.m.

    There has not even been a regular season snap and we're chin deep in hype. Let's talk in a couple of months!

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 11:14 a.m.

    Let's not forget that BYU will never be invited to the Miami Beach Bowl again. After that side of BYU being exposed, it's easy to see that no good bowl wants a dirty team.

    Hello Independence and Mac and Cheese Bowls for the rest of every cougar fan's life!

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:59 a.m.

    @65VenusFlyTrap

    "At USC - coaches get fired for going to the Sun Bowl."

    At BYU-Provo, coaches get contract extensions for going to a lot worse bowls than the Sun Bowl.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    Wow, I didn't realize the Independence Bowl was in Shreveport, that changes everything. Yeah no.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:43 a.m.

    A lot of angst at of cougarville this morning. I love how Missouri in Dec is somehow better than El Paso in Dec. Not to mention the payout and TV exposure the Sun Bowl provides over the Independence Bowl. I'd take the Sun Bowl and El Paso in Dec over Independence Bowl and Missouri 10 times out of 10.

    Happy for Langi by the way, nice to see him doing well. Interesting that he got the start at LB yesterday whereas Van Noy was a reserve.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:38 a.m.

    My Rash is Red - "I like Missouri a lot better."
    The Independence Bowl is in Shreveport, Louisiana, not Missouri.

    The Independence Bowl is a tie-in between the SEC and ACC. Apparently, Jerry Palm doesn't think the SEC will be good enough this year to fill all their bowl tie-ins.

    Or Jerry doesn't know that the Cougars tie-in to one of the 14 ESPN-run bowl games. Maybe the Bahamas Bowl, since the Cougars "travel well".

  • Just Wondering... Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:26 a.m.

    This is just crappy pre-season analysis. Anyone worth anything knows that the Utes are going to the Rose Bowl this year? That reporter might want to rethink his career choice until he can make better predictions.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Aug. 11, 2017 10:06 a.m.

    At USC - coaches get fired for going to the Sun Bowl.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:53 a.m.

    A Cougar putting a ute on his back, LOL

  • My Rash is Red ,
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:38 a.m.

    Have you been to El Paso? I go there on business all the time and it has a nice little college community, but that place is a giant sand box. I like Missouri a lot better.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 11, 2017 9:22 a.m.

    Ahhh ...

    El Paso in December...
    Bliss...

    Great to be a Ute!