Who wrote this? What was the outcome of the case that brought the question? A
pillow fight isn't being hit with a belt. It you can't hit your
elderly mom with a belt or a stranger with a belt you can't do it to a kid.
This isn't complicated.
I believe when the judges say that 'as a society we've progressed to
the point where it's not acceptable', they have added powerful force
behind empowering children and disempowering parents. While I don't support
using a belt to discipline a child, I also believe that sometimes an unruly
child needs to learn what behavior is appropriate and what is not. Sometimes a
spanking can achieve the desired results quicker and easier than reading an
encyclopedia on child rearing.We need to empower parents, not
I read the Court's actual ruling.The problem was not with the
belt, but that the Juvenile Court did not specify in it's findings what
harm the belt did. If the Juvenile Court had mentioned any physical marks on
the child or any emotional trauma they endured, then the case would have been
sound.Nothing will change with this ruling except that the lawyers
and the judges will need to be more specific in how they draft their findings of
I agree with Hutterite on very little on these forums.But this is
profound: "It is psychological and physical terrorism. It is torture. It is
assault."Amen. Amen. Amen.If you can control a child
only with these, you might need to invest a little of your time learning how to
be a better parent.
I've heard many parents claim that a good spanking, delivered devoid of
anger and causing no lasting harm, is no big deal--but striking out in a moment
of passion is truly harmful. But George Bernard Shaw saw it differently.
He looked at it that a slap across the cheek in a moment of genuine anger is
honest and does little lasting harm--but a thoughtful, planned out and
dispassionate use of violence to aid getting what you want out of a kid is
incredibly harmful and shouldn't be forgiven. "I am bigger than you and
although I love you, I will now beat you into submitting to my authority and
doing things the right way."--Though I don't believe in using violence
to achieve any goal except self preservation, this has made more and more sense
to me over the years.
Irony Guy,Thanks for the quote! I found more of it. It's
wonderful!"You can’t force your boys, nor your girls into
heaven. You may force them to hell, by using harsh means in the efforts to make
them good, when you yourselves are not as good as you should be... Fathers, if
you wish your children to be taught in the principles of the gospel, if you wish
them to love the truth and understand it, if you wish them to be obedient to and
united with you, love them! and prove to them that you do love them by your
every word or act to them... Use no lash and no violence, but... approach them
with reason, with persuasion and love unfeigned."There's a
man who truly understood how Heavenly Father teaches us, and applied it to his
own life.I wouldn't condemn anyone who spanks. I recognize that
we respect each parent's right to learn how to parent on their own. For
myself, I believe there's no question it's wrong. But others believe
its no question that things I've done are wrong. None of us are the Savior.
All we can do is try to be more like Him as we learn more of Him.
To threaten, restrain and beat someone has to have some negative sanction that
cannot be dismissed as 'parenting'. It is psychological and
physical terrorism. It is torture. It is assault. One is not the recipient of
such a beating, one is the victim. One does not receive such a beating willingly
or 'with love'. Many a child has been attacked by a supposed
loved one self enabled by the tired proverbs quote, poorly translated as it is,
picked from among the thousands of ignored biblical admonishments to be
interpreted literally and forcefully.
The children were removed from the home pending resolution. Court cases like
this with an appeal are not quick, and can take years. The older kids may have
been placed with their father, but what about the younger ones? That first
judges ruling damaged this family greatly.
The NIH reports:"Numerous studies have found that physical
punishment increases the risk of broad and enduring negative developmental
outcomes.No study has found that physical punishment enhances
developmental health.Most child physical abuse occurs in the context of
punishment.A professional consensus is emerging that parents should be
supported in learning nonviolent, effective approaches to discipline."I know when my parents spanked us, I lost respect for them. (For one
thing, it undermines any instructions to children about not harming or hitting
others). Spanking is too often done in a fit of anger and shows a lack of
There are many ways to discipline without the use of physical punishment. Many
times, if spanking is done in anger it creates fear and anger in the child which
can be far more challenging to handle. Consider communication, timeout, removal
of privileges, and control over yourself.
Don't spank your children. You'll regret it. Joseph F.
Smith said, “you can only correct your children . . . in kindness, by love
unfeigned, by persuasion, and reason.”
I still subscribe to Proverbs 13:24 which says "He that spareth his rod
hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.” I do not
enjoy disciplining my children, but I would rather they learn it now rather than
have the world teach it to them later.
I despise spanking more than anyone I've ever met. I really hate do.But I still can't imagine a judge having the audacity to tell a
parent to stop what's a common enough practice and pretending that the
written laws justify their principled aggression toward the public. It's a
political statement. It's taking out a pen and pretending you can write
laws, just cause you don't like how other people live their lives.It's one thing to believe you're right. It's another thing to
overstep your authority. We live in an age where judges do this continually.
Well, we know what happened after judges did it in the Book of Mormon. If judges
keep pretending they are law makers in this country, there won't be a
country left in a short number of years.What Rehnquist said about
Roe v Wade seems to apply to 90% of the judges in our country now. The judges
somehow found it within themselves to find text in the constitution that even
its authors were unaware of.Did we just forget that judges have no
right nor any authority to act like socialist parents?