BYU football: Loss of Francis Bernard a big blow to the Cougar defense

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  • Woohoo Somewhere, ID
    Aug. 21, 2017 4:02 a.m.

    Francis isn't going anywhere. As Chris B would say "Mark it Down."

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    Aug. 19, 2017 7:31 a.m.

    Bernard is now transferring to Utah if BYU will release him.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 19, 2017 7:01 a.m.

    BleedCougarBlue - Enid, OK
    Aug. 18, 2017 2:04 p.m.
    Uteology has no good rationality on his side, only name-calling and bully-type behaviors. 'Thin Blue Line' writes and Uteology responds by calling him "Thin Skin".

    Whatever happened to "don't start nothin', won't be nothin'"?

    You want to take the low road? Fine, but no serious fan on either side is going to take you serious.

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    You're still confused.

    It was BYU that had no good rationale and were bully.

    Shocking your more focused on my cut and paste skills.

    Its well documented, take your time to do your own research before you call out others next time.

  • Ute parents - me Cougar Rathdrum, ID
    Aug. 19, 2017 4:56 a.m.

    I think Chris B meant - not sweeping instead of now sweeping in 2nd paragraph.

  • John Brown 1000 Laketown, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 4:58 p.m.

    Anyone know where you can get a straw hat like the one Sitake is wearing in the video?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2017 4:54 p.m.

    @Blue

    Well, at least your consistent in your hatred of all-things BYU.....

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    Yes attack the messenger, but no condemnation of BYU.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2017 4:51 p.m.

    @Thin

    Nope, 100% wrong. The initial response from BYU anything but.

    Here's the initial response:

    "University spokeswoman Carri Jenkins adamantly defends the school's policy and treatment of alleged victims such as Brooke, saying, "A student would never, never, never have an Honor Code review for reporting sexual assaults, for being a victim of sexual assault." ... she said it would have to be an "egregious violation" that would prompt an Honor Code investigation stemming from details revealed in a sexual violence report."

    Source: CNN

    "When confronted by protesters, academic vice president Brent Webb told the crowd of over a hundred people that BYU was committed to “study [the] issue.” ... Webb’s language indicates a hesitation to acknowledge that there is even a problem in the first place. BYU’s ambiguous rhetoric indicates that the school may be more concerned with saving face than it is with protecting students."

    Source: It’s Time For BYU to Get Serious About Sexual Assault

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Aug. 18, 2017 2:22 p.m.

    Motorbike,
    That wasn't easy and your answer was incorrect. Not even close. You don't follow football closely other than BYU.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Aug. 18, 2017 2:04 p.m.

    Uteology has no good rationality on his side, only name-calling and bully-type behaviors. 'Thin Blue Line' writes and Uteology responds by calling him "Thin Skin".

    Whatever happened to "don't start nothin', won't be nothin'"?

    You want to take the low road? Fine, but no serious fan on either side is going to take you serious.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Aug. 18, 2017 1:57 p.m.

    @ Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2017 6:35 a.m.
    Chris B - Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 12:49 p.m.
    I applaud how byu handles internal discipline and wish more schools, including Utah, were as serious about rules and laws as byu is. What has Utah done that is deplorable?

    Here is an example:

    This week the Salt Lake Tribune won a Pulitzer Prize largely for its reporting on sexual assaults at Brigham Young University, detailing how victims of sexual assault feared punishment from the university's Honor Code Office if they came forward to seek help.

    Source:
    Deseret News
    April 11, 2017"

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    Well, at least your consistent in your hatred of all-things BYU.....

  • Thin Blue Line ,
    Aug. 18, 2017 1:30 p.m.

    @Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2017 12:32 p.m.

    Dude, please read. I never said that Carrington was more deplorable. I said it was apples and oranges. What is hypocritical is you call out BYU fans for holding judgment and then you attempt to judge me. Which is it.

    I will post again what I wrote and please READ.

    "And yes, the bad acts of a local police officer in a tragic situation pointed out a blind spot in the current system at BYU that did not fully protect the rights and safety of it students. The issue has been rectified and I'm sure the University would welcome other suggestions that help to protect its students."

    This is 100% accurate and exactly what BYU responded with.

  • brother roscoe Lehi, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 1:24 p.m.

    Look, had Carrington not already graduated he most likely would be in Bernards position having to sit out, or transfer down a division to play. I'm guessing if Bernard (or Williams 2 years ago) had already graduated they would leave byU to play elsewhere, without consequence.
    Not sure why this has gotten cougar fans all up in arms. Maybe cause these boards is the only place they can get a victory? lol

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2017 12:42 p.m.

    motorbike - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 10:43 a.m.
    Striker

    "Very interesting. BYU beat the PAC, Big Ten, and SEC last year... Name the last team to ever do that in one season."
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    Boy that wasn't hard, took me one second to think of a team that did that... UTAH. I refer you to 2008 when Utah won @ Michigan, beat a very good Oregon St team at home, and then clobbered Alabama in the Sugar bowl. By the way, that Utah team went 13-0 and finished #2 in the nation.

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    The difference between BYU's participation trophy and Utah's Sugar Bowl trophy:

    * Utah 2008: #6 12-2 Bama, #18 9-4 Oregon State, 3-9 Michigan ... Utah vs 24-15 (61%)

    * BYU 2016: 3-9 Arizona, 3-9 Michigan State, 6-7 Mississippi State ... BYU vs 12-25 (32%)

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2017 12:32 p.m.

    @Thin Skin

    Your response about Title IX is consistent with my post. What isn't consistent is your claim and inference that BYU purposely created an atmosphere with the intent of jeapordizing any student or their rights. Thus BYU has welcomed the evaluation from outside groups and incorporated recommendations.

    What also isn't consistent is any comparison between this and inking Carrington. To be fair, I also see it as apples and oranges when comparing Carrington and Bernard.

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    Sorry you are having such a hard time with this. BYU's honor code system "did" create an atmosphere that jeopardized Title IX:

    Man files $3M federal suit against BYU for alleged Title IX violations
    Source: Deseret News (Tad Walch Nov. 1, 2016)

    Therefore, after being called out by affected students BYU changed the system.

    This discussion is relevant when BYU "fans" sit in judgement of Utah athletic program. The SAD part is you think Carrington situation is more deplorable.

  • Thin Blue Line ,
    Aug. 18, 2017 11:05 a.m.

    @Ute Mythology

    My original post I said:

    "And yes, the bad acts of a local police officer in a tragic situation pointed out a blind spot in the current system at BYU that did not fully protect the rights and safety of it students. The issue has been rectified and I'm sure the University would welcome other suggestions that help to protect its students."

    Your response about Title IX is consistent with my post. What isn't consistent is your claim and inference that BYU purposely created an atmosphere with the intent of jeapordizing any student or their rights. Thus BYU has welcomed the evaluation from outside groups and incorporated recommendations.

    What also isn't consistent is any comparison between this and inking Carrington. To be fair, I also see it as apples and oranges when comparing Carrington and Bernard.

    Now stop with the drama and talk facts, not conjecture, hyperbole and agenda motivated shade.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 10:43 a.m.

    Striker

    "Very interesting. BYU beat the PAC, Big Ten, and SEC last year... Name the last team to ever do that in one season."
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    Boy that wasn't hard, took me one second to think of a team that did that... UTAH. I refer you to 2008 when Utah won @ Michigan, beat a very good Oregon St team at home, and then clobbered Alabama in the Sugar bowl. By the way, that Utah team went 13-0 and finished #2 in the nation.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2017 9:59 a.m.

    Thin Blue Line - ,
    Aug. 18, 2017 9:43 a.m.
    @ Ute Mythology

    Please stick with known facts rather than your conjecture, opinion and bias. This story is very public, yet by your comments it is as if you know little about it....unless it's just an agenda.

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    What? You want facts? Here you go:

    The Advisory Council on Campus Response to Sexual Assault: Status of Recommendations

    * Create a new, full-time Title IX coordinator that reports to a vice president.

    Tiffany Turley named as new Title IX coordinator, reporting to Student Life Vice President Janet S. Scharman.

    * Create a Title IX Office in a physically separate location from the Honor Code Office and the Dean of Students Office.

    * Create a new victim advocate/confidential advisor position outside the Title IX office.

    Source: BYU (March 30, 2017)

    Those were just the highlights. You welcome.

  • Thin Blue Line ,
    Aug. 18, 2017 9:43 a.m.

    @ Ute Mythology

    Please stick with known facts rather than your conjecture, opinion and bias. This story is very public, yet by your comments it is as if you know little about it....unless it's just an agenda.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2017 9:22 a.m.

    Thin Blue Line - ,
    Aug. 18, 2017 8:28 a.m.
    @Uteology

    "What has Utah done that is deplorable?

    Here is an example:

    This week the Salt Lake Tribune won a Pulitzer Prize largely for its reporting on sexual assaults at Brigham Young University, detailing how victims of sexual assault feared punishment from the university's Honor Code Office if they came forward to seek help."

    Apples and Oranges.

    One is referring to the Utah football program. The other is referring to the policies of the university and not specifically related to the football program.

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    You are right, what BYU did is "more" deplorable.

    One is a football team rule the other violates Title IX, a federal law that prohibits sex discrimination in education.

    Yet BYU "fans" are sitting in judgment of Utah football over Carrington. SAD!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2017 9:13 a.m.

    @Sport

    At Utah, Sitake wasn't in charge of inviting athletes with multiple criminal offenses to join and immediately play for the Utes without any requirement, whatsoever, for the players to proof that they had earned a 2nd, or 6th, chance.

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    Really? How many "athletes"? How do you know Carrington is going to "immediate play" without any requirement?

    Kyle suspended Sitake's nephew Moana Ofahengaue for "criminal offenses" in 2014. Why do you feel you need to sit in judgement of Kyle over ONE player?

    Personally, I would suspend Carrington for 3 games: North Dakota, San Jose, and Arizona. I would let him play at BYU, just to enjoy SEVENTH straight.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Aug. 18, 2017 9:07 a.m.

    And the hallowed Honor Code records another sack.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    Aug. 18, 2017 9:04 a.m.

    "byu lacks P5 depth, what w/all of their 2 stars..."

    Very interesting. BYU beat the PAC, Big Ten, and SEC last year with '2 star' players. Name the last team to ever do that in one season.
    Yeah, they have no depth at all.

    This defense will be better than last year. It's a fantastic group.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 9:02 a.m.

    C'mon guys!

    You guys are so fortunate to wear the Y helmet with a full ride scholarship and attend the only Tier One University with a National Brand, between the Rockies and the West Coast..

    Don't let your team down with your own selfishness.
    You all know the rules, stick by them, or don't waste our time.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Aug. 18, 2017 8:55 a.m.

    No one is irreplaceable, or above the rules.

    For BYU, the rules apply to every player, and if someone can't abide with it, than it's adios.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 8:49 a.m.

    london_josh

    "Great player, and great young man to go through this, but assuming that he'd be sitting out irregardless of the university is a major stretch. Please tell me you meant something else."
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    No I meant what I said, but out of respect for the kid I'm going to leave it there.

    Good luck to Bernard...hoping to see him back on the field next year.

  • longversion SANDY, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 8:44 a.m.

    Those complimenting ChrisB on his post apparently didn't read to the end where he pulled out the proverbial knife and took a stab by insinuating BYU just hides it's problems with athletes and sweeps them under the rug...

    There appear to be some inner conflicts going on with CB which I hope some day he is able to resolve and see good in everyone and everything and make sports fun rather than bitter.

    All the Best Chris!

  • Thin Blue Line ,
    Aug. 18, 2017 8:28 a.m.

    @Uteology

    "What has Utah done that is deplorable?

    Here is an example:

    This week the Salt Lake Tribune won a Pulitzer Prize largely for its reporting on sexual assaults at Brigham Young University, detailing how victims of sexual assault feared punishment from the university's Honor Code Office if they came forward to seek help."

    Apples and Oranges.

    One is referring to the Utah football program. The other is referring to the policies of the university and not specifically related to the football program.

    And yes, the bad acts of a local police officer in a tragic situation pointed out a blind spot in the current system at BYU that did not fully protect the rights and safety of it students. The issue has been rectified and I'm sure the University would welcome other suggestions that help to protect its students.

    cont.

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 8:12 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Sitake is an egomaniac coach?

    Or is he no longer a egomaniac since he's now at BYU?"

    Typical strawman from you.

    At Utah, Sitake wasn't in charge of inviting athletes with multiple criminal offenses to join and immediately play for the Utes without any requirement, whatsoever, for the players to proof that they had earned a 2nd, or 6th, chance.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Aug. 18, 2017 7:27 a.m.

    Chris B. You were doing so well until you lost me with your second paragraph.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2017 6:39 a.m.

    Malihini - Northern, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 2:52 p.m.
    Well...there you go. In an environment where people decry a selfish and entitlement mentality you have BYU holding people accountable and hoping to help the individual where at Utah you have egomaniac coaches selling out and taking advantage of athletes and giving them a 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th chance just because they, "have a need at that position."

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    Sitake is an egomaniac coach?

    Or is he no longer a egomaniac since he's now at BYU?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 18, 2017 6:35 a.m.

    Chris B - Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 12:49 p.m.
    I applaud how byu handles internal discipline and wish more schools, including Utah, were as serious about rules and laws as byu is.

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    What has Utah done that is deplorable?

    Here is an example:

    This week the Salt Lake Tribune won a Pulitzer Prize largely for its reporting on sexual assaults at Brigham Young University, detailing how victims of sexual assault feared punishment from the university's Honor Code Office if they came forward to seek help.

    Source:
    Deseret News
    April 11, 2017

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 6:58 p.m.

    Bernard has been a stud. He will be missed.

  • wer South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 6:33 p.m.

    Most schools across the country use the "broke team rules" cover, even if the player committed one or crimes. And, how many times has it appeared that the "punishment" was hardly more than a slap on the wrist?

    BYU has often revealed too much or more than was appropriate in the past. It is appropriate that the players not be tried in the court of public opinion. however, when there is too little information given, speculation rues the day. I would suggest BYU offer a little more appropriate details. Is he "redshirting" for: academics, injury, or other?

  • TOO Fairview, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 6:31 p.m.

    Chris,

    You've mentioned before how you love how Whit doesn't punish players.

    So why the change if heart now? Why do you wish the U would do more?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 17, 2017 6:09 p.m.

    byu lacks P5 depth, what w/all of their 2 stars....So this absolutely is a serious blow to their prospects to lose any starter, any year.

    Go Utes!

  • cougazz Smithfield, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 5:10 p.m.

    Everybody always jumps on the honor code? If it was a serious enough honor code violation, the guy would not be participating in practices, going to class or even enrolled in school. Good luck to the young man with whatever he has going on? Don't know him personally, but he seems like a really good kid. And if that's the real Chris B, he's going to ruin his reputation with comments like that.

  • top of the world ,
    Aug. 17, 2017 4:40 p.m.

    Motorbike, you are kidding, right? Takitaki...multiple chances? Do you not know that he had to sit out last year? Yes, he is back. Yes, he is now playing. But sitting out a year is light years from leaving a university for multiple offenses and then stepping right into a uni at the U. I enjoy reading the comments in the sports section, but I also realize that some of those who contribute do so with tunnel vision.

    This is a huge loss for the Y. I look forward to watching him play next year. In the meantime, he will be able to teach those who are called to step in. It's going to be a long year for him, having to watch from the sidelines. Best to you, Francis.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Aug. 17, 2017 3:55 p.m.

    "Don't kid yourself, or anyone else for that matter. And by the way, Bernard would be sitting this year regardless of the University."

    Come on now, we all know that the most common suspension occurs with players doing something that's absolutely acceptable at other universities if not implied to the players as a perk.

    Great player, and great young man to go through this, but assuming that he'd be sitting out irregardless of the university is a major stretch.

    Please tell me you meant something else.

  • burningblue Provo, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 3:31 p.m.

    This is big hit for the Y. They were going to have a dynamic trio of LBs that few teams would match up well with. The Y has bodies, but no one with the combination of strength and speed who can step in for Bernard.

    I love the honor code, but it sucks when a guy makes a mistake and has to take the year off.

    Side Note: Chris B being so complimentary is really weirding me out. Maybe it's because his team won't have to face Bernard this year.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 3:29 p.m.

    Malihini

    "...BYU holding people accountable and hoping to help the individual where at Utah you have egomaniac coaches selling out and taking advantage of athletes and giving them a 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th chance just because they, "have a need at that position.""
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    Don't kid yourself, or anyone else for that matter. And by the way, Bernard would be sitting this year regardless of the University. He's also been in trouble multiple times now speaking of 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances. As I said in my initial comment, I feel for the guy and don't for one minute celebrate a valuable BYU contributor having to sit out. I hope he gets things straightened out and can do what Takitaki seems to have done with his multiple chances.

  • Clinton Ute Clinton , UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 2:58 p.m.

    Kid is definitely talented, hope to see him back on the field next year. Also glad to see Chris B is finally coming to terms with his inner BYU fan. The sooner you realize that's the school that means the most to you the happier you'll be!

    Good luck Francis! Hope things work out for the best!

  • UteJunky70 midvale, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 2:54 p.m.

    I hope the best for Mr. Bernard, he's a scary good player who may have an NFL future. I can't say I'll miss him being out there on September 9th.

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 2:52 p.m.

    Well...there you go. In an environment where people decry a selfish and entitlement mentality you have BYU holding people accountable and hoping to help the individual where at Utah you have egomaniac coaches selling out and taking advantage of athletes and giving them a 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th chance just because they, "have a need at that position."

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Aug. 17, 2017 2:36 p.m.

    @ Chris B - Thank you for the compliment AND the civility with which it was said.

    Cheers!

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 17, 2017 1:11 p.m.

    Bummer. The guy is legit. I hope he'll be back.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 12:49 p.m.

    I applaud how byu handles internal discipline and wish more schools, including Utah, were as serious about rules and laws as byu is. You can get a DUI and suit up for a game at Utah just a couple months later. At byu you sit a year(see Van Noy, who wasn't even on byu's team when he got his DUI)

    I dont know what Bernard did, but I applaud byu for now sweeping things under the rug while hiding behind the "give him a third chance" excuse just to get him on field

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 11:39 a.m.

    Hopefully he can get the issue taken care of and can use the year off to get stronger like Jamaal Williams did. Bad for this season but good for the future.
    I'm glad that BYU has several very good LBS that can step in.

    Good luck Francis

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 17, 2017 11:34 a.m.

    This is one way for Bernard to get better in every aspect!
    Good luck my man! You've got a ton of fans wishing you the best!
    Can't wait already for next year.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 11:02 a.m.

    What a blow. Hopefully Pulsipher proves to be almost as good or just as good if not better, but Bernard will certainly be missed.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 17, 2017 10:40 a.m.

    Not a surprise after having caught wind of the situation last week. That said, I had hoped the situation was or would be resolved. It's never enjoyable to see teams lose players, for any reason at all. Good luck to Bernard, I hope he can get things right and return to the Cougars better than ever next year.