College football recruiting: Herriman's Jaren Kump, David Fotu flip commitments from BYU to Utah

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  • top of the world ,
    Oct. 10, 2017 6:19 p.m.

    I have no problem with this change of address to the U. Best of success, to both of you. By the time you graduate from the U perhaps the Y will have things straightened out. It certainly can't go on like it did this year or we'll lose everyone who is anyone. More power to the U for picking these two up.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 1:30 p.m.

    @Lint

    All you have Naval, is pejorative insults, while never addressing the facts presented, with specificity.

    Three Pac Championships won, out of 90 awarded!
    That be "U".

    # Naval, Still leasing units for BYU, inside his head.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 10, 2017 10:24 a.m.

    Bluto:

    “Still obsessing over BYU?”

    …said the indy-WACer who’s still obsessing over all things Utah.

    Typical hypocritical coug.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 9:00 a.m.

    @Naval Vet

    Still obsessing over BYU?
    Try winning more than (3) Championships out of (90) in the Pac-12.
    Until then, the "U" is not even mid-major.

    Oh, I forgot, none of that matters, all that matters is how U compare to BYU.

    # BYU...living forever in the Great and Spacious Cranium of U fans.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 8:49 a.m.

    @Cougar Forever

    First of all, only 1.6% of all College Football Players will ever play in The NFL, consequently, there is only a 98.4 % chance that these two will ever play Pro Ball.

    With that said, recruits look at much more than whether or not they will ever play in the NFL, as nearly all know, that they never will.

    Things some recruits look at......

    -Academics (BYU-trumps Utah).

    -Campus Beauty and Beauties (BYU trumps Utah).

    -Safety for students (BYU trumps Utah).

    -Social life (BYU trumps Utah).

    -Fan support (BYU trumps Utah).

    Cheer up.... The sky is not falling.
    If one is good enough to play pro ball, the NFL will find them. Being drafted is not even essential, as 50 free agents a year make an NFL roster. BYU had 4 free agents make an NFL squad this year.

    Again, 98.4 College players will "Never" play in the NFL. So your concerns are unfounded.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Oct. 10, 2017 8:32 a.m.

    Just for fun, I thought I'd take a trip in the Wayback Machine to see what comments were made upon Kump's and Fotu's earlier commitment...

    Jaren Kump:

    "Nice...I understand...he will hold true to his commitment." -- top of the world - (June 29, 2016 5:27 p.m.)

    "And the hits just keep on coming!" -- Bigtimcoug (June 29, 2016 10:07 p.m.)

    Tevita Fotu:

    "This is just the beginning of Salani starting to win the recruiting battles with the Utes...The tide is shifting.. and no amount of P5 chest thumping by worried Utes will outplay a poly head coach understanding Polly athletes...Great job Salani.. keep it up. Utah is nervous and we BYU fans love it." -- Deanvrtc (Dec. 10, 2016 5:09 p.m.)

    "Congratulations Tevita on joining the up-and-coming, best team in the state!" -- Marked it Down, (Dec. 11, 2016 11:28 p.m.)

    Haha! You Y fans and your premature gloating. You do this EVERY year!

    Every. Single. Year.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 7:07 a.m.

    @Uteology

    You've just reinforced my points.

    1-Ute fans can never remove BYU from out of their heads!

    --30 years of living in BYU's shadow and never matching their Legacy, will do that to "U".

    2-Utah will always be a bottom dweller in the Pac 12.

    Again, since Utah joined the Pac-12, nearly 90 Team Championships have been awarded to the league's schools.......

    The University of Eccles has managed to win only 3 of these.

    And that is why the "U" is known as the "Underling of the Pac".

    BYU's having a rough year, we get it, and even in this rough year, your Mighty Utes lol, squeaked out a 6 point win.

    #Utah False Bravado Rides Again!

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Oct. 10, 2017 2:37 a.m.

    A loss for us, but unfortuately (and disturbingly) understandable. I REALLY hate to say this, but if I were a HS football player who thought that I had even a remote shot at going pro I might make the same choice these two players have made given Utah's success at developing and placing their guys in the NFL in substantial numbers. Believe me, it is extraordinarily painful to acknowledge this.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2017 8:48 p.m.

    @Bluto

    Ute fans still don't get it, their competition is now with other Pac-12 schools and when it comes to that, the SC's, Wazzu's, Stanford's, Washington's and, UCLA's of the world........ Utah will always be their last choice.

    ------

    Utah is closer to USC, than BYU is to Orgon State.

    2017 Class Rankings
    #6 USC
    #18 Stanford
    #19 Oregon
    #21 UCLA
    #22 Washington
    #25 Utah

    #45 Oregon State

    #64 The Legacy Program Down South

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 9, 2017 5:28 p.m.

    @vansrichdm:

    "Have no respect for fairweather fan or players. Due to the timing, it is because of the current win records so I have not respect for people that switch side when a team is down."

    Do you really think that these kids are switching commits because of byu's record this year? Please actually read the article and young Master Kump's comments before you post again. He had de-committed before the season started. Far from a "fair-weathered" player you claim them to be.

    The fact that you have "no respect" for these kids says more about you than their change of heart says about them.

    Football is not greater than life. If you are not having fun, you are doing it wrong!

    I have a deep respect for all these kids who give their all for the school they represent. I may not root for byu, but I respect their players - even the ones that have transferred from Utah.

    On to the next game!

    Go Utes!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Oct. 9, 2017 5:10 p.m.

    @vasislos:

    "To many Ute trolls are making this out to be something that it isn't. Many, many players switch schools during the recruitment process, sometimes more than once, and often even after enrollment."

    Utah has been on the short end of this kind of transfer many times. It happens to every school and will continue to happen. Every athlete has to decide what is best for him/her. If that is not Utah, I wish them the best of luck where they are transferring to, even if it includes BYU.

    Great post. We, as fans, should not be so invested in trying to interpret what a kid's decision may or may not mean. Where a student-athlete decides to commit will impact the rest of his/her life and career. They might as well get the decision right - even if includes de-committing from the school I love.

    Go Utes!

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    Oct. 9, 2017 1:49 p.m.

    Good on them. Hope they have success at the U and are happy with their newest commit.

    To many Ute trolls are making this out to be something that it isn't. Many, many players switch schools during the recruitment process, sometimes more than once, and often even after enrollment.

    Will some make their decision not to play for BYU because of the current year woes? Probably. But some will look at this as an opportunity to be part of a rebuilding process and as a chance to personally help to bring BYU back to excellence.

    And I hope the Ute trolls do not judge these two very harshly. We have all seen the comments that some have made about those, such as missionaries, who change commitments. Critchlow being the most recent recipient of this derision.

    Just because I am not a fan of Ute football does not mean I have to have bad feelings about individual players. If these two have weighed their options and prefer to play at the U, God bless them and good luck.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Oct. 9, 2017 1:25 p.m.

    79 Ute - The premise I made was that the coaches saw that BYU, due to various factors, would never be very good again. Those variables were beyond their power to change, ergo they wanted nothing to do with BYU football.

    The verbiage of 'Dumpster fire' is being used often these days to describe the situation of the TDS. It is merely descriptive of the legitimate premise used in my comment. Try again to identify the premise, and not specific words used.

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Oct. 9, 2017 12:57 p.m.

    at long last. . .

    If the coaches never said the words "dumpster fire," why did you make that insinuation in your initial post?

    True that Bronco "left BYU saying independence was unsustainable" AND for a huge salary increase.

    Niumatalolo had specific reasons for staying at Navy. He said he felt compelled to look at the Y job because of his faith, but he also said, "being the head football coach at the United States Naval Academy is also a huge responsibility because you are representing the country.” He also got a big pay increase to stay at Navy after looking at the Y.

    Neither came close to any statement that BYU football was a "dumpster fire."

    I don't disagree that BYU's program is in shambles this year - I don't think they'll qualify for a bowl game - but I think the reasons relate more to coaching than anything else. For example, there is no comparison to the results of the receiving corps under Coach Holliday (great pickup by the U) to the before and after results under Cahoon. As others have posted, many of the assistant coaches are woefully inexperienced.

    My problem with your first post was the assertion of a false premise to make a valid point.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Oct. 9, 2017 12:41 p.m.

    These guys flipped before the season began. BYU 's record this year has nothing to do with why they want to go elsewhere. If they're good enough for BYU they are good enough for u and many other places too.

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 12:20 p.m.

    Oh ok, so it looks like there's a good chance Kump will become a Cougar after his mission, since he was committed to BYU at one time and he will probably see the light during his mission like others have. Got it. Carry on.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 12:12 p.m.

    Good Grief

    Utah gets two flips and they think it's the end of BYU football, and for some, even the LDS Church itself.

    "Shallow is thee... with no sense of History".

    BYU has received just as many flips from Utah recently.
    Big deal!

    It's hard to get excited about any recruit, who won't even suit up for 3-4 years.

    Ute fans still don't get it, their competition is now with other Pac-12 schools and when it comes to that, the SC's, Wazzu's, Stanford's, Washington's and, UCLA's of the world........ Utah will always be their last choice.

    All these snarky comments, from U fans, just goes to show that BYU will always be their Boogeyman, that occupies their cranium full time, whether BYU is 6-1 or 1-6.

    That is most delightful.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 11:40 a.m.

    Awesome news from these two guys. Now if they'll just help Gunner Romney see the light as well!

  • mdp Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 10:21 a.m.

    A good move for good players, and the natural result of Holmoe's boneheaded moves to leave a conference for ESPN.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Oct. 9, 2017 9:35 a.m.

    "Independence being sustainable isnt the problem here, its called having too many unseasoned assistant coaches and it shows. "

    I couldn't agree more. The typical career path for a college coach is Grad Assistant (GA) --> Position Coach --> Offensive/Defensive Coordinator --> Head Coach. Sitake has paid his dues and followed that path and a few other coaches are on that career path, but too many are not. You cannot pull a guy straight from HS and make him OC and expect him to match wits and schemes with experienced Defensive Coordinators at the level where BYU competes. It just doesn't work.

  • Sportsfan123 Salt lake, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 8:59 a.m.

    I told myself BYU was going to start losing recruits - well, here we are!

    Independence being sustainable isnt the problem here, its called having too many unseasoned assistant coaches and it shows.

    Undisciplined lack of focus on the fundamentals and having an offensive coordinator running the offensive team like the NFL.

    Unless you are drafting top tier talent from 128 div 1 universities then you have no business running an offense in sets with different personel that do not include your experienced or top talent on the team and expect execution at a high level. Not even Alabama does this, this is college ball.

    I believe Sitake is the right man for this job, but if he doesn't recognise this is a problem then he wont last more than 1 more year.

    Sitake is in a tough spot he is in a situtation now where he may have to ask some of his long time friends to leave and try to bring in a more experienced coaching staff.

    Cahoon's recievers are not getting it done, Reno Mahe's runningbacks are not getting it done and are fumble prone. The O-line is not getting it done either. The offense as a whole is punchless that's on Detmer.

    For Sitake's sake I hope he realises this.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 9, 2017 8:58 a.m.

    BlueHusky - Mission Viejo, CA
    Oct. 9, 2017 8:04 a.m.
    BYU fans -- lets not jump ship yet. As I've said 1000 times, Sitake has had only one complete recruiting class and Bronco didn't do much before he bailed out.

    ------

    According to whom? Please post class rankings from 2013-2017.

    Are you really going to throw Bronco under bus for the mess created by Detmer?

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Oct. 9, 2017 8:04 a.m.

    BYU fans -- lets not jump ship yet. As I've said 1000 times, Sitake has had only one complete recruiting class and Bronco didn't do much before he bailed out.

    I point to my Alma Mater, Washington as an example. Chris Peterson in his first year threw a bunch of Sarkesian's recruits off the team and started over. New offense, new defense. Two years later and he's in a national championship playoff against Alabama.

    Last year, Sitake had great receivers, Taysom Hill, and Jamal Williams. This year, he had Mangum and a few freshmen. Mangum and the 2nd string QB are injured, leaving Detmer who was third string. Now they've pulled the redshirt off the guy they hoped to save for next year.

    You just can't expect much from BYU this year. Period.

    Utah, on the other hand, is the same Utah as in the last few years. All defense, no offense. Same result ... respectable but nowhere near the top. Utah will need a different coach if they want to go somewhere. There is a pathology in a system with a new OC every year.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Oct. 9, 2017 7:31 a.m.

    79Ute - The coaches never said the words "Dumpster fire", but usually actions speak louder than words. I believe this is the case here. One coach left BYU saying independence was unsustainable; the other refused a job offer to coach BYU.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Oct. 9, 2017 7:06 a.m.

    Guess they would rather lose with the Utes than with BYU?

    😁

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Oct. 9, 2017 12:22 a.m.

    This is good news!

  • Spoons lake tahoe, NV
    Oct. 9, 2017 12:18 a.m.

    Not sure Harding will be around in three years when Kump returns from his mission. The guys is making a name for himself as a recruiter and someone who develops talent. I suspect in three years Harding will be the HC of a G5 team.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Oct. 8, 2017 10:52 p.m.

    Each team is bound to have some down seasons - and for BYU I personally don't see them pulling out next year either - this is likely to be an ugly 2017 where a nothing bowl game would be a miracle at this point in time and then a ho-hum 2018 season with a long run plan for 2019 and 2020 and onward a really good football team.

    If Detmer can really turn it up, it will take some more time to do so.

    as for the Utes, probably not too different of a trajectory either.

    I like both teams, I support the long run view of both teams, i think both will get better, and both will take their lumps in order to do so, and both will be filled with fair-weather-fans who didn't cheer during the dark years - that's not me!

    Good luck to these boys, but in my estimation BYU started the transition a year before Utah did, maybe BYU will pull out a year before Utah does - in either case both are good schools and I'd remind them that the vast majority of players don't go to the NFL so the education level is the smartest choice.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Oct. 8, 2017 9:22 p.m.

    Glad these two young men had the wisdom to get off the Titanic before it hit the iceberg.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Oct. 8, 2017 9:08 p.m.

    Mike Leach had to go through a transition time at Washington State. Bronco's Caveliars are getting better; another transition. So Sitake is going through a tradition time. Good luck to both young men in sport and their studies ;)

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Oct. 8, 2017 8:59 p.m.

    I have a different view than most of the posters here. These young men, like many others you will see in the future, committed to BYU very early in the process. Part of that is the fact that Sitake is very inspirational and was willing to make an early offer which the kids accepted.

    Now that they are in the middle of their playing year, they are still being recruited by other schools and looking at their options. I don't think this has that much to do with BYU being 1-5 as it does with bigger name schools coming after them. Utah has often lost a player or two that were committed but changed their mind when USC came calling.

    I suspect BYU will continue to lose more commitments as the season progresses.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Oct. 8, 2017 8:30 p.m.

    It’s still just a verbal commit, which is not binding. But why in the world would you want to go to BYU? There’s no bowl Tie in, you are going to get romped out by P5 schools. At least at Utah you have a chance against the big name schools, over the past 2 seasons Utah has beat USC, Washington, Oregon, UCLA, ....

    Go Utes

  • Procoug Layton, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 8:05 p.m.

    Good luck to both of these young men.
    It will be interesting to watch and see what happens if suddenly BYU starts winning games.

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 6:53 p.m.

    The young man's brother plays for the utes. Is his commitment really that big of a surprise? Best of luck to these young men. It's only and game and life comes after it.

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 6:33 p.m.

    Interesting. How many have picked the U and then switched to the Y after their missions? So we'll see. A mission sometimes changes a person's thinking. And yes, the Y is having their worst year in 47 years. Every team is entitled to a bad year or two in 50 years. During their best year, they won a NC. Seems like no one else around here (including an undefeated Arizona State under famous Frank Kush) achieved that. So teams go up and down over time. That's why they play the games. (And by the way, Stanford was 3-2 coming into SLC and was still favored as the visiting team, and they actually won the game. Just thought I'd remind everyone of those facts, too.)

  • evansrichdm West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 5:27 p.m.

    Have no respect for fairweather fan or players. Due to the timing, it is because of the current win records so I have not respect for people that switch side when a team is down. I do believe that BYU will rise again and that those who choose UofU due to BYU current position will later come to regret it.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 5:07 p.m.

    @ moonbeam

    " I don't have respect for players who make commitments, then change their minds"... I wonder if this includes Taysom Hill, Harvey Langi or Ula Tolutau?

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 4:39 p.m.

    Eat drink and be merry?

    UTAH has an Institute.

    If a player makes a mistake (HC related etc.)...

    The consequence is handled by the players clergy.

    Recruited players at UTAH are welcome to go on missions.

    Finally...

    17/18 year old or older individuals are not allowed to change their minds?

    Or...

    17/18 year old or older individuals are allowed to change their minds if it benefits BYU...

    Exactly.

    The duplicity inherent in that type of thinking is another example of why it might be better to go to some school other than BYU.

  • Bubble boy utes Orem, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 4:39 p.m.

    It is inevitable after a 1-5 and soon to be 1-6 start. Can't blame these young men.

    At the end of the year it's going to come down to, do you want to stay in Utah and play for a 5-7 Utah team, a 6-6 BYU team, or challenge for the CFP by going to Alabama, USC, Washington, Oklahoma, Ohio State, etc.

    Welcome #95 Utes to the top 100 football team ranking. Still in last place for all P5 programs behind #90 Oregon State.

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    Oct. 8, 2017 4:35 p.m.

    Watching BYU this year would make any recruit switch, and my family has been BYU fans since the 60's. It's embarrassing, and I don't know how you expect to keep recruits playing this way.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 8, 2017 4:29 p.m.

    "Why not? Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.
    Good luck to this young man at the University of Utah"

    Thats just plain old rude. Are you saying these boys choose a different program because they want to "eat, drink and be merry" versus a collapse in faith in the current program? Really.

    As a BYU and Utah Alum, and a BYU season ticket holder, I really hate this sanctimonious attitude from Y supporters as if the only reason someone goes to the U is because they aren't spiritual enough for the Y. Here is a headline for you..... BYUs football program right now is a mess. Recruiting is only going to get harder.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Oct. 8, 2017 4:14 p.m.

    @BYU Sports Nut

    "Why not? Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die."

    Yeah, because there's none of that going on at BYU-Provo, is there?

    The Deseret News wrote an article last week called "why do so many people out there hate BYU" or something like that...you may want to check it out.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 3:57 p.m.

    No surprise here ... the ship is sinking at the Y and the Rats will start jumping ...

  • 79Ute Orange County, CA
    Oct. 8, 2017 3:56 p.m.

    at long last:

    You amuse me - pick a baseless premise ("If the Navy coach and Bronco saw BYU's football future as a 'dumpster fire'") and then reach a conclusion based on that false premise. When did Niumatalolo or Bronco ever say anything like that? You should be a politician or a CNN talking head.

    That said, I'm glad to see us pick up these players!

    Go Utes - beat SC!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 3:19 p.m.

    Great news! Welcome to the Utes! Hope you heard the words of former Utes Bolles. "..it’s a great university and it can help you reach your dreams on and off the field as long as you put in the effort and the time and the hard work and dedicate yourself. As long as you do what you’re supposed to do, I told them you’ll be able to reach your dreams just like I did.”

    Great day to be a Ute!

  • Moon Beam Magna, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 2:39 p.m.

    I don't have any respect for players who make commitments, then change their minds, based on the current success or lack of success of ANY team they commit to. You can tell how much their word is worth, by how much they want to keep it. If they don't want to keep their word, then it isn't worth much, is it? Changes in coaching might be one exception.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 2:35 p.m.

    There will be a lot more "flipping" if BYU can't get things straightened out. I can't remember a time when I have been so disappointed in ANY of our in-state teams as I am right now, with BYU. Not even last years dismal USU performance, or Utah's early years in the PAC 12 compares.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Oct. 8, 2017 2:26 p.m.

    A rational decision. If the Navy coach and Bronco saw BYU's football future as a 'dumpster fire', then it is a reasonable assumption that no really good player who aspires to play on Sunday would volunteer to jump into it. Independence isn't sustainable and those who can get out or avoid it are doing so. . .

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 12:52 p.m.

    Welcome to the Utah family! You're going to do great things on the Hill. Work hard on your mission and come back ready to follow in the footsteps of Isaac Asiata, Garret Bolles, and other great Utah RM O line men.

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    Oct. 8, 2017 12:43 p.m.

    Par for the course.

    Could he suit up this year?

  • cjd1 Draper, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 12:30 p.m.

    And this is just the beginning of many more now going to Utah. Amazing how far the BYU football program has crashed.

  • hobbes1012003 Roy, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 12:30 p.m.

    The first recruiting casualty of a terrible football year. Seriously depressed with how this football season has turned out.

  • BYU Sports Nut Heber City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 12:17 p.m.

    Why not? Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.
    Good luck to this young man at the University of Utah

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 12:17 p.m.

    He must've watched BYU's last game. Smart kid. Others will follow. BYU, with Sitake and Holmoe
    at the helm, is turning out to be a great recruiting tool for the Utes.