I have no problem with this change of address to the U. Best of success, to
both of you. By the time you graduate from the U perhaps the Y will have things
straightened out. It certainly can't go on like it did this year or
we'll lose everyone who is anyone. More power to the U for picking these
@LintAll you have Naval, is pejorative insults, while never
addressing the facts presented, with specificity.Three Pac
Championships won, out of 90 awarded! That be "U".#
Naval, Still leasing units for BYU, inside his head.
Bluto:“Still obsessing over BYU?”
the indy-WACer who’s still obsessing over all things Utah.Typical hypocritical coug.
@Naval VetStill obsessing over BYU?Try winning more than (3)
Championships out of (90) in the Pac-12.Until then, the "U" is
not even mid-major. Oh, I forgot, none of that matters, all that
matters is how U compare to BYU.# BYU...living forever in the Great
and Spacious Cranium of U fans.
@Cougar ForeverFirst of all, only 1.6% of all College Football
Players will ever play in The NFL, consequently, there is only a 98.4 % chance
that these two will ever play Pro Ball.With that said, recruits look
at much more than whether or not they will ever play in the NFL, as nearly all
know, that they never will.Things some recruits look at...... -Academics (BYU-trumps Utah).-Campus Beauty and Beauties
(BYU trumps Utah).-Safety for students (BYU trumps Utah).-Social life (BYU trumps Utah).-Fan support (BYU trumps Utah).Cheer up.... The sky is not falling.If one is good enough to play
pro ball, the NFL will find them. Being drafted is not even essential, as 50
free agents a year make an NFL roster. BYU had 4 free agents make an NFL squad
this year.Again, 98.4 College players will "Never" play in
the NFL. So your concerns are unfounded.
Just for fun, I thought I'd take a trip in the Wayback Machine to see what
comments were made upon Kump's and Fotu's earlier commitment...Jaren Kump:"Nice...I understand...he will hold true to
his commitment." -- top of the world - (June 29, 2016 5:27 p.m.)"And the hits just keep on coming!" -- Bigtimcoug (June 29, 2016 10:07
p.m.)Tevita Fotu:"This is just the beginning of
Salani starting to win the recruiting battles with the Utes...The tide is
shifting.. and no amount of P5 chest thumping by worried Utes will outplay a
poly head coach understanding Polly athletes...Great job Salani.. keep it up.
Utah is nervous and we BYU fans love it." -- Deanvrtc (Dec. 10, 2016 5:09
p.m.)"Congratulations Tevita on joining the up-and-coming, best
team in the state!" -- Marked it Down, (Dec. 11, 2016 11:28 p.m.)Haha! You Y fans and your premature gloating. You do this EVERY year!Every. Single. Year.
@UteologyYou've just reinforced my points.1-Ute
fans can never remove BYU from out of their heads! --30 years of
living in BYU's shadow and never matching their Legacy, will do that to
"U".2-Utah will always be a bottom dweller in the Pac 12.Again, since Utah joined the Pac-12, nearly 90 Team Championships have
been awarded to the league's schools.......The University of
Eccles has managed to win only 3 of these.And that is why the
"U" is known as the "Underling of the Pac". BYU's having a rough year, we get it, and even in this rough year, your
Mighty Utes lol, squeaked out a 6 point win. #Utah False Bravado
A loss for us, but unfortuately (and disturbingly) understandable. I REALLY
hate to say this, but if I were a HS football player who thought that I had even
a remote shot at going pro I might make the same choice these two players have
made given Utah's success at developing and placing their guys in the NFL
in substantial numbers. Believe me, it is extraordinarily painful to
@BlutoUte fans still don't get it, their competition is now
with other Pac-12 schools and when it comes to that, the SC's,
Wazzu's, Stanford's, Washington's and, UCLA's of the
world........ Utah will always be their last choice.------Utah is closer to USC, than BYU is to Orgon State.2017 Class
Rankings #6 USC#18 Stanford#19 Oregon #21 UCLA#22
Washington#25 Utah#45 Oregon State#64 The Legacy
Program Down South
@vansrichdm:"Have no respect for fairweather fan or players. Due
to the timing, it is because of the current win records so I have not respect
for people that switch side when a team is down."Do you really
think that these kids are switching commits because of byu's record this
year? Please actually read the article and young Master Kump's comments
before you post again. He had de-committed before the season started. Far from
a "fair-weathered" player you claim them to be.The fact that
you have "no respect" for these kids says more about you than their
change of heart says about them.Football is not greater than life.
If you are not having fun, you are doing it wrong!I have a deep
respect for all these kids who give their all for the school they represent. I
may not root for byu, but I respect their players - even the ones that have
transferred from Utah.On to the next game!Go Utes!
@vasislos:"To many Ute trolls are making this out to be
something that it isn't. Many, many players switch schools during the
recruitment process, sometimes more than once, and often even after
enrollment."Utah has been on the short end of this kind of
transfer many times. It happens to every school and will continue to happen.
Every athlete has to decide what is best for him/her. If that is not Utah, I
wish them the best of luck where they are transferring to, even if it includes
BYU. Great post. We, as fans, should not be so invested in trying
to interpret what a kid's decision may or may not mean. Where a
student-athlete decides to commit will impact the rest of his/her life and
career. They might as well get the decision right - even if includes
de-committing from the school I love.Go Utes!
Good on them. Hope they have success at the U and are happy with their newest
commit.To many Ute trolls are making this out to be something that
it isn't. Many, many players switch schools during the recruitment
process, sometimes more than once, and often even after enrollment. Will some make their decision not to play for BYU because of the current year
woes? Probably. But some will look at this as an opportunity to be part of a
rebuilding process and as a chance to personally help to bring BYU back to
excellence. And I hope the Ute trolls do not judge these two very
harshly. We have all seen the comments that some have made about those, such as
missionaries, who change commitments. Critchlow being the most recent recipient
of this derision. Just because I am not a fan of Ute football does
not mean I have to have bad feelings about individual players. If these two
have weighed their options and prefer to play at the U, God bless them and good
79 Ute - The premise I made was that the coaches saw that BYU, due to various
factors, would never be very good again. Those variables were beyond their
power to change, ergo they wanted nothing to do with BYU football. The verbiage of 'Dumpster fire' is being used often these days to
describe the situation of the TDS. It is merely descriptive of the legitimate
premise used in my comment. Try again to identify the premise, and not specific
at long last. . .If the coaches never said the words "dumpster
fire," why did you make that insinuation in your initial post? True that Bronco "left BYU saying independence was unsustainable" AND
for a huge salary increase.Niumatalolo had specific reasons for
staying at Navy. He said he felt compelled to look at the Y job because of his
faith, but he also said, "being the head football coach at the United States
Naval Academy is also a huge responsibility because you are representing the
country.” He also got a big pay increase to stay at Navy after looking at
the Y. Neither came close to any statement that BYU football was a
"dumpster fire."I don't disagree that BYU's
program is in shambles this year - I don't think they'll qualify for a
bowl game - but I think the reasons relate more to coaching than anything else.
For example, there is no comparison to the results of the receiving corps under
Coach Holliday (great pickup by the U) to the before and after results under
Cahoon. As others have posted, many of the assistant coaches are woefully
inexperienced.My problem with your first post was the assertion of a
false premise to make a valid point.
These guys flipped before the season began. BYU 's record this year has
nothing to do with why they want to go elsewhere. If they're good enough
for BYU they are good enough for u and many other places too.
Oh ok, so it looks like there's a good chance Kump will become a Cougar
after his mission, since he was committed to BYU at one time and he will
probably see the light during his mission like others have. Got it. Carry on.
Good GriefUtah gets two flips and they think it's the end of
BYU football, and for some, even the LDS Church itself."Shallow
is thee... with no sense of History".BYU has received just as
many flips from Utah recently. Big deal!It's hard to get
excited about any recruit, who won't even suit up for 3-4 years.Ute fans still don't get it, their competition is now with other Pac-12
schools and when it comes to that, the SC's, Wazzu's, Stanford's,
Washington's and, UCLA's of the world........ Utah will always be
their last choice.All these snarky comments, from U fans, just goes
to show that BYU will always be their Boogeyman, that occupies their cranium
full time, whether BYU is 6-1 or 1-6.That is most delightful.
Awesome news from these two guys. Now if they'll just help Gunner Romney
see the light as well!
A good move for good players, and the natural result of Holmoe's boneheaded
moves to leave a conference for ESPN.
"Independence being sustainable isnt the problem here, its called having too
many unseasoned assistant coaches and it shows. "I couldn't
agree more. The typical career path for a college coach is Grad Assistant (GA)
--> Position Coach --> Offensive/Defensive Coordinator --> Head
Coach. Sitake has paid his dues and followed that path and a few other coaches
are on that career path, but too many are not. You cannot pull a guy straight
from HS and make him OC and expect him to match wits and schemes with
experienced Defensive Coordinators at the level where BYU competes. It just
I told myself BYU was going to start losing recruits - well, here we are!Independence being sustainable isnt the problem here, its called having
too many unseasoned assistant coaches and it shows. Undisciplined
lack of focus on the fundamentals and having an offensive coordinator running
the offensive team like the NFL. Unless you are drafting top tier
talent from 128 div 1 universities then you have no business running an offense
in sets with different personel that do not include your experienced or top
talent on the team and expect execution at a high level. Not even Alabama does
this, this is college ball.I believe Sitake is the right man for
this job, but if he doesn't recognise this is a problem then he wont last
more than 1 more year.Sitake is in a tough spot he is in a
situtation now where he may have to ask some of his long time friends to leave
and try to bring in a more experienced coaching staff. Cahoon's
recievers are not getting it done, Reno Mahe's runningbacks are not getting
it done and are fumble prone. The O-line is not getting it done either. The
offense as a whole is punchless that's on Detmer.For
Sitake's sake I hope he realises this.
BlueHusky - Mission Viejo, CAOct. 9, 2017 8:04 a.m.BYU fans -- lets
not jump ship yet. As I've said 1000 times, Sitake has had only one
complete recruiting class and Bronco didn't do much before he bailed
out.------ According to whom? Please post class
rankings from 2013-2017.Are you really going to throw Bronco under
bus for the mess created by Detmer?
BYU fans -- lets not jump ship yet. As I've said 1000 times, Sitake has had
only one complete recruiting class and Bronco didn't do much before he
bailed out.I point to my Alma Mater, Washington as an example. Chris
Peterson in his first year threw a bunch of Sarkesian's recruits off the
team and started over. New offense, new defense. Two years later and he's
in a national championship playoff against Alabama.Last year, Sitake
had great receivers, Taysom Hill, and Jamal Williams. This year, he had Mangum
and a few freshmen. Mangum and the 2nd string QB are injured, leaving Detmer who
was third string. Now they've pulled the redshirt off the guy they hoped to
save for next year.You just can't expect much from BYU this
year. Period.Utah, on the other hand, is the same Utah as in the
last few years. All defense, no offense. Same result ... respectable but nowhere
near the top. Utah will need a different coach if they want to go somewhere.
There is a pathology in a system with a new OC every year.
79Ute - The coaches never said the words "Dumpster fire", but usually
actions speak louder than words. I believe this is the case here. One coach
left BYU saying independence was unsustainable; the other refused a job offer to
Guess they would rather lose with the Utes than with BYU?😁
This is good news!
Not sure Harding will be around in three years when Kump returns from his
mission. The guys is making a name for himself as a recruiter and someone who
develops talent. I suspect in three years Harding will be the HC of a G5 team.
Each team is bound to have some down seasons - and for BYU I personally
don't see them pulling out next year either - this is likely to be an ugly
2017 where a nothing bowl game would be a miracle at this point in time and then
a ho-hum 2018 season with a long run plan for 2019 and 2020 and onward a really
good football team.If Detmer can really turn it up, it will take
some more time to do so.as for the Utes, probably not too different
of a trajectory either.I like both teams, I support the long run
view of both teams, i think both will get better, and both will take their lumps
in order to do so, and both will be filled with fair-weather-fans who
didn't cheer during the dark years - that's not me!Good
luck to these boys, but in my estimation BYU started the transition a year
before Utah did, maybe BYU will pull out a year before Utah does - in either
case both are good schools and I'd remind them that the vast majority of
players don't go to the NFL so the education level is the smartest choice.
Glad these two young men had the wisdom to get off the Titanic before it hit the
Mike Leach had to go through a transition time at Washington State.
Bronco's Caveliars are getting better; another transition. So Sitake is
going through a tradition time. Good luck to both young men in sport and their
I have a different view than most of the posters here. These young men, like
many others you will see in the future, committed to BYU very early in the
process. Part of that is the fact that Sitake is very inspirational and was
willing to make an early offer which the kids accepted.Now that they
are in the middle of their playing year, they are still being recruited by other
schools and looking at their options. I don't think this has that much to
do with BYU being 1-5 as it does with bigger name schools coming after them.
Utah has often lost a player or two that were committed but changed their mind
when USC came calling.I suspect BYU will continue to lose more
commitments as the season progresses.
It’s still just a verbal commit, which is not binding. But why in the
world would you want to go to BYU? There’s no bowl Tie in, you are going
to get romped out by P5 schools. At least at Utah you have a chance against the
big name schools, over the past 2 seasons Utah has beat USC, Washington, Oregon,
UCLA, ....Go Utes
Good luck to both of these young men.It will be interesting to watch and
see what happens if suddenly BYU starts winning games.
The young man's brother plays for the utes. Is his commitment really that
big of a surprise? Best of luck to these young men. It's only and game and
life comes after it.
Interesting. How many have picked the U and then switched to the Y after their
missions? So we'll see. A mission sometimes changes a person's
thinking. And yes, the Y is having their worst year in 47 years. Every team is
entitled to a bad year or two in 50 years. During their best year, they won a
NC. Seems like no one else around here (including an undefeated Arizona State
under famous Frank Kush) achieved that. So teams go up and down over time.
That's why they play the games. (And by the way, Stanford was 3-2 coming
into SLC and was still favored as the visiting team, and they actually won the
game. Just thought I'd remind everyone of those facts, too.)
Have no respect for fairweather fan or players. Due to the timing, it is because
of the current win records so I have not respect for people that switch side
when a team is down. I do believe that BYU will rise again and that those who
choose UofU due to BYU current position will later come to regret it.
@ moonbeam" I don't have respect for players who make
commitments, then change their minds"... I wonder if this includes Taysom
Hill, Harvey Langi or Ula Tolutau?
Eat drink and be merry?UTAH has an Institute.If a player
makes a mistake (HC related etc.)...The consequence is handled by
the players clergy.Recruited players at UTAH are welcome to go on
missions.Finally...17/18 year old or older individuals
are not allowed to change their minds?Or...17/18 year
old or older individuals are allowed to change their minds if it benefits
BYU...Exactly.The duplicity inherent in that type of
thinking is another example of why it might be better to go to some school other
It is inevitable after a 1-5 and soon to be 1-6 start. Can't blame these
young men.At the end of the year it's going to come down to, do
you want to stay in Utah and play for a 5-7 Utah team, a 6-6 BYU team, or
challenge for the CFP by going to Alabama, USC, Washington, Oklahoma, Ohio
State, etc.Welcome #95 Utes to the top 100 football team ranking.
Still in last place for all P5 programs behind #90 Oregon State.
Watching BYU this year would make any recruit switch, and my family has been BYU
fans since the 60's. It's embarrassing, and I don't know how you
expect to keep recruits playing this way.
"Why not? Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die. Good luck to
this young man at the University of Utah"Thats just plain old
rude. Are you saying these boys choose a different program because they want to
"eat, drink and be merry" versus a collapse in faith in the current
program? Really.As a BYU and Utah Alum, and a BYU season ticket
holder, I really hate this sanctimonious attitude from Y supporters as if the
only reason someone goes to the U is because they aren't spiritual enough
for the Y. Here is a headline for you..... BYUs football program right now is a
mess. Recruiting is only going to get harder.
@BYU Sports Nut"Why not? Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we
die."Yeah, because there's none of that going on at
BYU-Provo, is there?The Deseret News wrote an article last week
called "why do so many people out there hate BYU" or something like
that...you may want to check it out.
No surprise here ... the ship is sinking at the Y and the Rats will start
at long last:You amuse me - pick a baseless premise ("If the
Navy coach and Bronco saw BYU's football future as a 'dumpster
fire'") and then reach a conclusion based on that false premise. When
did Niumatalolo or Bronco ever say anything like that? You should be a
politician or a CNN talking head.That said, I'm glad to see us
pick up these players! Go Utes - beat SC!
Great news! Welcome to the Utes! Hope you heard the words of former Utes
Bolles. "..it’s a great university and it can help you reach your
dreams on and off the field as long as you put in the effort and the time and
the hard work and dedicate yourself. As long as you do what you’re
supposed to do, I told them you’ll be able to reach your dreams just like
I did.”Great day to be a Ute!
I don't have any respect for players who make commitments, then change
their minds, based on the current success or lack of success of ANY team they
commit to. You can tell how much their word is worth, by how much they want to
keep it. If they don't want to keep their word, then it isn't worth
much, is it? Changes in coaching might be one exception.
There will be a lot more "flipping" if BYU can't get things
straightened out. I can't remember a time when I have been so disappointed
in ANY of our in-state teams as I am right now, with BYU. Not even last years
dismal USU performance, or Utah's early years in the PAC 12 compares.
A rational decision. If the Navy coach and Bronco saw BYU's football
future as a 'dumpster fire', then it is a reasonable assumption that
no really good player who aspires to play on Sunday would volunteer to jump into
it. Independence isn't sustainable and those who can get out or avoid it
are doing so. . .
Welcome to the Utah family! You're going to do great things on the Hill.
Work hard on your mission and come back ready to follow in the footsteps of
Isaac Asiata, Garret Bolles, and other great Utah RM O line men.
Par for the course.Could he suit up this year?
And this is just the beginning of many more now going to Utah. Amazing how far
the BYU football program has crashed.
The first recruiting casualty of a terrible football year. Seriously depressed
with how this football season has turned out.
Why not? Eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die. Good luck to this
young man at the University of Utah
He must've watched BYU's last game. Smart kid. Others will follow.
BYU, with Sitake and Holmoe at the helm, is turning out to be a great
recruiting tool for the Utes.