About Utah: Here's what 2 NFL owners would like to say to their team about kneeling during the national anthem

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  • Hank Pym Draper, UT
    Oct. 12, 2017 11:25 a.m.

    re marxist on 10/8...

    "Actually most of these guys have come out of these very communities so they know the situation there a whole lot better than you."

    As a Dolphins fan, I know Kenny Stills (WR) & Michael Thomas (DB) who are 2 of the 3 consistent protesters both do a lot of charity work in S Florida.

    As a Caucasian born, raised, & lving in Utah, I don't see very much racial inequality here but I'd be foolish to think it doesn't exist.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    Oct. 12, 2017 7:24 a.m.

    I wonder how they would feel if their freedoms were taken from them because of their lack of respect for the American flag? Our freedom is not to be taken lightly..it is a privilege to live in the United States of America and along with the privilege is freedom(but not freedom to disrespect or disregard the importance of the American flag). If they don't want to respect that, they should go live somewhere else..I'm sure we could find some great players to replace them with. What is more important..kneeling at a game.. or standing with respect and love for our American flag? Those who kneel should be removed with no exception.

  • Ogrepete Sandy, UT
    Oct. 11, 2017 6:41 p.m.

    Yes the players have a right to protest. Yes it is a dumb, offensive thing they are doing protesting the flag and national anthem.

    While we talk about this, Trump keeps us from talking about the dumb, offensive things he is and has been doing.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 12:29 p.m.

    Meanwhile the self proclaimed wizard behind the curtain has got people talking about other things than being the most expensive, golf playing, dishonest, crude, rude, internationally despised, inefficient, least popular POTUS in our country's history in just 9 months on the job.

  • rosborneutah Sandy, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 9:57 a.m.

    There's no evidence that the opinions of the author or the referenced owners are the "majority". While I have enormous respect for the people referenced (I know one of them very well) as professionals person and appreciate their ideas as stated, I believe that most people are missing the point of these "protests".

    People complaining about the protests seem to believe it's a protest against the flag. The players have said many times (but it seems to be falling on deaf ears) that they are protesting racism and especially the biased views they believe are demonstrated by the current presiding resident in the White House.

    Our president has shown a lack of leadership, promotes divisiveness and demeans united American values much more than the display of unity that these NFL players and coaches are demonstrating.

    Perhaps the silent majority is a different group - those of us who agree or at least respect the views of the protesting players, as well as the coaches and owners who support them.

  • my_two_cents_worth university place, WA
    Oct. 10, 2017 9:36 a.m.

    @Cutedog

    'Why don't they take a knee to protest all the violence and killing that goes on in black communities by other blacks everyday?"

    Why do whites keep using this as an excuse to dismiss or ignore the the very real issues with racism in this country?

  • Egyptian origins Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 9:32 a.m.

    "& to the Republic for which it stands." We're in the 1st stages of an American Civil War II between Nationalism and Constitutionalism. The debate isn't isolated to a single issue, but collectively about our rights as citizens under the Constitution. It's not a debate about disrespecting our Flag, it's a debate about disrespecting our Constitution. Nationalism promotes security over rights. Constitutionalism promotes rights over security. Have you recognized in the news that all of our Constitutional rights are under attack? Nationalists are yelling that we're at war w/ both a foreign & domestic enemy & the only way "they" can save us is to suspend our rights. But look @ our history...we survived a coup in 1934 by Nationalists who planned to remove FDR from the Presidency, & we removed a corrupt President in 1974 due to efforts of the press. We've lasted as a Nation thus far because of Constitutional rights. Our National Anthem wasn't about our troops fighting in the Revolutionary War, but about regular unarmed men, women, & children @ Fort McHenry who sacrificed their lives to hold up our flag with their dead bodies when the entire fleet of the Nationalists attacked unchallenged.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 10, 2017 12:27 a.m.

    Oatmeal - Woods Cross, UT

    Seizing the stage during the national anthem at an athletic event is unpatriotic and lazy.

    ----

    Really? So I guess you think these Aferican Americans were being lazy and unpatriotic?

    In 1968 Summer Olympics, Tommie Smith and John Carlos, stood on the podium for the national anthem after winning gold and bronze medals and raised their black-gloved fists to the sky in what was widely viewed as a black power salute.

    Under pressure from the International Olympic Committee, the United States Olympic Committee suspended them and sent them home.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 10, 2017 12:17 a.m.

    Cutedog - Rupert, ID
    Oct. 9, 2017 2:25 a.m.
    I agree with this article. Why don't they take a knee to protest all the violence and killing that goes on in black communities by other blacks everyday? There is far more brutality there.

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    Alt-right talking point.

    About 87% whites kill whites, 94% black on black.

    Yet an unarmed black male is 5 times more likely to be killed by a cop.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Oct. 10, 2017 12:12 a.m.

    patriot - Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 11:33 a.m.
    NFL == No Fans Left

    I just as soon this league folds up. We have college football and the NFL is certainly NOT a money maker for any of its cities (ask Oakland) so In my view we don't need the NFL anymore.

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    America doesn't need about 110,000 jobs and about $5 billion in the local economies?

    The coal industry is booming under Trump so i guess those people can always get coal jobs.

  • rdean92 Los Angeles, CA
    Oct. 9, 2017 12:02 p.m.

    @Patriot - they are fine if you tune somewhere else.

  • zipadeedoodah Lehi, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 11:59 a.m.

    Amen to this suggestion. Let all those NFL players donate a million bucks to the cause and show some real empathy instead of this phoney baloney stuff.

  • sunderland56 Moab, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 11:59 a.m.

    @sanefan "Sorry folks who believe it's a right to protest anything during your "work" time. Not so and Jerry Jones made it clear, stand during the Anthem or sit on the bench during the game."

    The players have the right to kneel or sit or whatever *unless* their contract says otherwise.

    If a player is made to sit out a game, they still get paid their full salary. So Jerry Jones is going to make less money (since his team will lose) but have the same expenses. Good move.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 11:56 a.m.

    How many of you commenting really have the right to protest while on the job? Police officers can't do it. School teachers and nurses can't do it. This is players using their employment as a platform to express their political views. Most Americans would be fired for doing that. NFL players can protest all they want, when they are on their own time. Seizing the stage during the national anthem at an athletic event is unpatriotic and lazy.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 11:33 a.m.

    NFL == No Fans Left

    I just as soon this league folds up. We have college football and the NFL is certainly NOT a money maker for any of its cities (ask Oakland) so In my view we don't need the NFL anymore. These players are way less important than they think. I watched the NFL for 40 years but I haven't watched a game in 2 years and haven't missed it at all. America comes first. If these dopey players can't feel that America first and respect for police after Vegas then I have zero respect for the players.

  • london_josh lincoln, CA
    Oct. 9, 2017 11:29 a.m.

    the previous comment makes this a party issue - and that's a huge part of the problem.

    some things should unify us, like the flag and the anthem, it's not property of the republican party, it's sad that some people are so anxious to fight that they make everything partisan.

    disrespect is disrespect no matter what party you vote for, and this attitude is why Trump won and why the democrats just simply don't get it - some people are democrats no matter what, some are republicans no matter what, but there is a good group in the middle fed up with the actions of the left in fighting against everything and resisting everything.

    the left will turn Trump into a 2 term president because they can't figure it out while they still scratch their heads over "what happened" and ignore the economic turn-around that is going on around us.

  • viejogeezer CARLSBAD, CA
    Oct. 9, 2017 11:20 a.m.

    I'm inclined to think that as long as every black parent in the country including the president feels the need to have "the talk" with his children, as long as every black male I know has been rousted multiple times by police, as long as police routinely choose deadly force in confronting unarmed black suspects, some of whom have been shown to be perfectly innocent, without consequence then black men are entitled, even duty bound, to peacefully protest in any medium they choose. And until we, as a society, take steps to correct the inequalities in our country maybe we should stop criticizing the protesters.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 11:18 a.m.

    We need to remember that Brown County, where Green Bay is located, is 2.2% black according to the 2010 census.

    It's no surprise these two "owners" have no clue about the root cause of this is about.

    If that 2.2% black demographic had any complaints about how they were being treated in Green Bay, it seems pretty likely these two guys would suggest the city buy them all Greyhound tickets so they could leave town.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 9, 2017 11:16 a.m.

    So I see all these "Boycotters" out here... aren't you supposed to not be watching anyway...? It's why I follow college ball? Anyway....

    For the real story, lets look at yesterdays numbers.

    "Packers-Cowboys delivered a 15.0 overnight rating in Sunday’s NFL national window on FOX, up 15% from last year (13.1) but down 9% from 2015 (16.4). Last year’s window featured Bengals-Cowboys and the 2015 window featured Patriots-Cowboys (16.4)."

    "In primetime, Chiefs-Texans delivered a 10.6 overnight on NBC’s Sunday Night Football, up 4% from Giants-Packers last year (9.3), "

    Overall, attendance is down across the board, across all sports. Lets take die hard conservatives favorite, NASCAR.

    "The NASCAR Cup Series playoffs from Dover (Del.) earned a 1.3 rating and 2.0 million viewers on NBCSN, down 13% in ratings and 20% in viewership from last year (1.5, 2.6M) and down 32% and 37% respectively from 2015 (1.9, 3.2M)."

    No flag controversy. Everyone standing..... viewership down more than the NFL.

    So the only fake news out there is that the cause of the NFL's problem is Keapernick and crowd, which obviously isn't true because the slide began way before he started his thing.

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 11:14 a.m.

    Sorry folks who believe it's a right to protest anything during your "work" time. Not so and Jerry Jones made it clear, stand during the Anthem or sit on the bench during the game. And about the polls, they mean absolutely nothing. Fans are boycotting games and sponsors. NFL attendance is down a reported 26%. That means something. Add ESPN's debacle with their under liberal crew and the NFL/ESPN sports conglomerate is on shaky ground. You will soon see drastic changes in both. Money talks!

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 10:39 a.m.

    Patriotism?

    The tweeter-in-chief congratulated his caddie pence on the prearranged political stunt pence and the tweeter-in-chief pulled off in Indianapolis at a cost exceeding $250,000 for costs of the flight as well as expenses for necessary security arrangements at the venue.

    Patriotism?

    Yet pence and other Republicans did not say a word when the tweeter-in-chief impugned the patriotism of John McCain or the patriotism of a Gold Star Family.

    Selective Patriotism by Republicans designed to divide Americans has become the calling card of the Republican party.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 10:36 a.m.

    Thank you, Lee Benson, for a great article.

    I was gagging on the Aaron Rodgers quote a week ago from a DN reporter at the Packers game.

    So, this is the other side of that question. Thank you for publishing it. I knew once the story started naming names that it wouldn't be some billionaire owner. They are afraid to stand up for America.

    The rich owners have become citizens of the world and post-Americans. They are global folks, so the flag and the anthem don't mean much to them.

    They are afraid of the players union firestorm it might cause.

    They are afraid of becoming the next Chick-fil-A or Hobby Lobby or Mozilla's Brendan Eich.

    They are Camping World type of owners.

    And they are spitting in the faces of their customers.

    I hope they feel the heat from attendance and viewer declines. Maybe the bottom line can talk some sense into them.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 10:08 a.m.

    My boycott of the NFL and ESPN is going strong. Haven't watched a single play. Until they stand for the anthem...I'm done.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 10:05 a.m.

    Freiheit:
    First of all, that was well said and well thought out. Addressing the business side of things as well as the fact that many of History's Heroes have affected change through rebellion or protest was absolutely on point and I agree with you.

    However, where I disagree is that Business 101 also suggests that your message be clear and succinct and not left to a multitude of interpretations. I believe NFL players have a noble cause here, and a chance to bring attention and affect real change on the social issues they're addressing. But when you do this during a time where respect and love for country are being celebrated it sends a convoluted and confusing message where people can easily interpret your actions as being unpatriotic, ungrateful, and anti-American. The cause is just, but the timing sends the wrong message to too many people. Business 101- your advertising needs to be clear, not open to negative interpretation.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 10:05 a.m.

    Here is what I would like to say to them:

    If you can't stand with your hand over your heart to honor those who gave you your freedom, then I can't stand to watch you play.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 9:42 a.m.

    @cutedog
    " Why don't they take a knee to protest all the violence and killing that goes on in black communities by other blacks everyday? There is far more brutality there. "

    Because they feel that when a black person kills a black person they're arrested, charged, and prosecuted, as it should be, but when a police officer kills a black person there doesn't seem to be appropriate accountability (same as how in SLC it wasn't until the video of the officer arresting the nurse went public and a public outcry came of it that anyone disciplinary happened).

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    So are you, or are you not, entitled by the rights embodied by the flag to take a knee? Or do those rights only accrue to the owners?

  • Egyptian origins Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    One side says it's about Nationalism and on the other side says it is about Constitutional Rights. The Nationalists victimize the Constitutionalists by verbally abusing them with name calling labels of "un-Patriotic", "disrespectors", etc. and by financial extortion saying, "We pay for your cost of living, you owe us. Comply or you're out."

    This debate can be applied to Freedom of the Press. Nationalism threatens the press with labels of "fake news" and "un-Patriotic" and demands that they comply with controlled publications that favor Nationalism, because Nationalists pay the press to be compliant; otherwise Nationalists demand that the press must be shut down, and their owners and reporters must be jailed for their 'disrespect'.

    This same exact argument can be applied to all of our Constitutional Rights; gun control, religion, alcohol use, voting, citizenship, sexual orientation, petitioning the Judicial system, defense in the Judicial process, equality, ownership of property, privacy, speech, etc., etc., etc.

    So what do we want America, do we want Nationalism or Constitutionalism???

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 9, 2017 9:12 a.m.

    "This has nothing to do with how much you like your President. Trust me....I've done it for 8 years."

    This has nothing to do with Trump.... how can you even begin to pretend it does. It started a year before he was even elected. Trumponians have got to stop thinking everything in life is about Trump.

    But that is surely how it has become.... now it's Trump versus the NFL.... a grudge he has held for over 20 years. How much does this nation have to do to put up with his petty grudges. Trump lit the fire under what was a dying movement... and not his followers want it to go away?

    Ignore it.... and it will be gone ..... like it almost was before. About Trump.... tell that to the dude in Salt Lake who was killed.... I guess that was about Trump too?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 9:10 a.m.

    And some owners of the Packers may have opposite opinions. This is a legal, appropriate protest. The shooting of the cyclist by SLC police officers is a perfect example of the legitimacy of the protest. Instead of attacking the protesters, why not address the underlying issue. The reality is, there are two systems of justice in America, and minorities have a legitimate complaint.

    Some think these protests are disrespectful to America. To this I reply with two thoughts. First, perhaps America had been disrespectful to a large percentage of our population. Why should these people not have a gripe? Second, why is it disrespectful to exercise the freedoms that our citizens have under the Constitution? Stuff is said all the time with which I disagree (e.g., Donald Trump), but I've never attacked the right of that person to speak or protest. Get over it. Our flag is a symbol of freedom, not an idol to be worshipped.

  • CKS007 Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 8:54 a.m.

    So when the first football player started protesting police brutality many years ago, he was sitting out the national anthem. A veteran and fellow NFL player wrote an open letter to the protesting player stating that sitting was offensive to veterans and the flag. When the two of them met and talked it over (yea I know, what a concept) the veteran recommended an act of kneeling in reverence. This would get the point across and still honor the flag and those who fought for it. So now when I hear people screaming that kneeling shows disrespect to veterans and the flag, I just shake my head. A veteran asked them to kneel. The players are being reverent. They have the right to do so.

    This protest is a cry for help. Instead of criticizing them, perhaps we should be seeing what help is needed. When a community is being hit by a disaster, we chip in to help. Well a community is being hit by a disaster. Are you going to force them to stay silent while this disaster goes on, or are you going to help?

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 8:41 a.m.

    Get your rear off the ground and stand for the anthem. Good gracious. This has nothing to do with how much you like your President. Trust me....I've done it for 8 years.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    Oct. 9, 2017 8:32 a.m.

    " None of the players wants anything but their mug shown kneeling on the TV screen or raising a fist or locking arms. It's all about media attention, not actually addressing any real issue they claim needs to be resolved. "

    And you know this coming from Kaysville Utah how? Of course you are dead wrong. In fact Kaperneck spends his entire time now in the community he's concerned about working with those he feels are disenfranchised.

    In addition most all of these players have community based organizations to give back.

    Freiheit.."Quite often the reviled protestors of today have become the revered patriots of history".

    Following the example of peaceful protest may or may not be successful in bringing change but it certainly honors the sacrifice the flag represents more than blind conformity to tradition does.

    Is the flag a "symbol" of free speech and "freedom" or is it an idol to be worshiped in and of itself?

    .

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 8:10 a.m.

    Most of the pro- NFL kneeling arguments have been addressed by comments in other related articles; but, the freedom of speech aspect needs to be revisited. If freedom of speech were a valid point, why has the NFL restricted other players from such expressions such as honoring fallen policemen, and other expressions ? Ergo, freedom of speech is a specious argument. The ideas submitted by these owners call for these NFL people to put their money where their mouth is (figuratively speaking ); or, at least, do something constructive.

  • Gregory American Fork, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 8:07 a.m.

    Thank goodness that these two owners can see clearly the affront to patriotic Americans. Some of these players have been so pampered and are so spoiled because of their athletic ability that they feel privileged to use venues (the stadiums) that their customers (fans and advertisers) pay for to express their political views. Players: go somewhere else to express your views. Owners: fire those players who are using game venues to express their political views. Advertisers: pull your money. Fans: in every way express your displeasure.

  • ConservativeUtahisBest Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 7:49 a.m.

    @Maudine

    If they were actually protesting police brutality then why don't they choose a symbol that represents the police instead of one that is supposed to unify the country. Instead of unity the NFL players have been dividing the country and they are choosing to disrespect the flag that the military and for freedom. If the players want to disrespect the flag and the anthem then so be it that is their choice. But they then have to deal with the consequences of that choice when people stop paying attention to the NFL and their bosses start taking away from their pay checks. That is the free right of everyone else also.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Oct. 9, 2017 7:41 a.m.

    I love that this chatter debating if this is a genuine protest, with the new context of the Salt Lake City Police finally release video of one of their officers shooting a 50 year old black man in the back as he attempts to flee. One officer, not letting his emotions get the best of him, used a taser. But the other officer, fired three shots at the dudes back.

    Not one can question if the officer really felt his life was in danger.... he may have very well felt that way because of a whole lot of reasons. But the video clearly shows that the man was not engaging with the officer when he was killed.

    To not think some segments of society will feel the killing was not justified is a bit naive. You will also have to agree that some will question if deadly force is warranted as often as it is being used. The point these "protester" are tying to make is that the protections that the flag is supposed to represent do not seem to be applied equally to all.

    There was obviously ambiguity between the two officers how much force was warranted. They choose two different options. One a taser. One decided to kill the man. I doubt this will end the protest. Lives are at stake.

  • Bubba Chub Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 7:38 a.m.

    The ‘Chuck’s’ in Benson’s article are white men. Sorry Lee, you prove nothing with this piece. If you’re not a minority who has experienced racism, you can’t pretend for one second to know how the ‘protesting players’ feel. Yes, I believe they should stand...but grassroots protesters should be applauded on all levels.

  • Freiheit Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 6:51 a.m.

    Business 101 would teach that the objective of advertising is to get one's message to the greatest number of people at the least cost. The NFL (and other) players are simply following good business practice. A second business principle that is being followed is to make the advertisement as effective by grabbing the audience's attention. This has obviously been followed. Saying this is not the time or place for such things is to deny basic business practice.

    As to the idea of patriotism and affirmation or denial of flag or anthem, or by extension, our military past and present, we need to realize that these are symbols representing, among other things, the ideals of freedom, equality and justice that go back to the very foundations of the nation. Our history is the process of trying to turn those ideals into reality in the lives of as many of our people as possible. Protest, peaceful or otherwise, has been the driving force of that effort. Simply standing or waving or wearing a flag is patriotism on the cheap if we use it to ignore the very real issues involved. Quite often the reviled protestors of today have become the revered patriots of history.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 6:47 a.m.

    So an older white guy from white Wisconsin and another older white guy from white Minnesota think that they have a clue what inner city black guys experience from the police these days? How many black guys were on his hockey team? How many black guys on his Sioux Falls football team? I'm betting the total from both teams is less than 2. They have no clue.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 6:46 a.m.

    So far as I can tell the players are unhappy with the present situation of black America. But it is sort of Black Lives Matter. They were founded on a false premise police brutality and unfair killing of black men by white police. Actually in the whole country there are hardly 100 black men killed by police and about half by black police that are mistaken. The big problem is 95% or more of black men are killed by black men. Why is that? That is what should be addressed. Mr. Trump has improved the economy and that has helped some. Moreover prior to BLM the homicide rate has been declining. It is half what it was 25 years ago.
    My opinion is welfare laws are anti marriage and that could be changed.

  • Thomas Thompson Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 6:38 a.m.

    "Quit picking on people and spitting in everybody’s face because the vast majority of us are patriotic and believe in that symbol you’re disrespecting."

    If people choose to see what these players are doing as disrespectful, I suppose that's their own business. But kneeling before our flag can also be seen as a form of utmost respect, and I would not choose to be offended where no offense is intended. If these players actually wanted to be disrespectful, believe me, you'd know it for sure, Lee Benson.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    Oct. 9, 2017 6:36 a.m.

    I think is an outstanding idea that players write checks to benefit the cause.

    However it is sad to read these two gentlemen are insulted by the kneeling during the national anthem.

    Those who kneel are being quiet and respectful. They are not standing as automatons as most of the masses. But they are displaying the belief that in our country freedom exist, that respect among races and individuals should exist. Those people who are kneeling IMHO are showing true citizenship and patriotism.

  • Keeping it straight San Marcos, CA
    Oct. 9, 2017 5:55 a.m.

    Colin Kaepernick donation went to Black Lives Matter.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Oct. 9, 2017 5:48 a.m.

    This is what I hear in this piece:

    "You guys that support this thing that Colin's upset about, throw some of your money at it and it'll go away."

    "Yeah, you have a right to do what you're doing, but it's offensive to us so you need to stop."

    "It really bothers us that you make a lot of money." [If they didn't, and your opinion wouldn't change, then their salaries are irrelevant to the issue.]

    "We're not really interested in discussing the underlying issue or even naming it. This is about the white guy dominating the culture. This is OUR country. We get to say what, when, and how." [Which is precisely the issue.]

    "Only people who think like us are 'real Americans.'"

    Another irony about this situation (IMO): The person who started it - Trump - has a real problem with telling the truth. But he doesn't lie to himself about what he sees as the real lay of the land in this country. And he has a knack for exploiting it while giving his supporters the self-righteous cover of "patriotism."

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 3:25 a.m.

    I'd bet neither Chuck is a black man.
    As for their demands, they both kind of tie themselves into a loop. The flag represents your right to protest. To protest is to disrespect the flag; don't do it. You do not have the right to protest.

  • Cutedog Rupert, ID
    Oct. 9, 2017 2:25 a.m.

    I agree with this article. Why don't they take a knee to protest all the violence and killing that goes on in black communities by other blacks everyday? There is far more brutality there.

    Frozen Factuals might be able to report they would have 100% support. Then they could stand and honor the flag that gives them the freedom to do so.

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 12:22 a.m.

    A 20% loss of revenue would put many teams in jeopardy. I've canceled my NFL, waiting on the NBA to see what happens.

    Protest, but not in a way that disrespects America.

  • SMcloud Sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 12:06 a.m.

    Those players have a right to peacefully protest.
    Making the country better and more accountable is a good thing. I don't understand it when people are mad when flaws are pointed out in the US. Our country isn't perfect. We have a very complicated history and pretending like we have achieved racial harmony only 50 years after the civil rights movement is folly.

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 11:56 p.m.

    Those are wonderful thoughts from the two Chucks, though I have a different opinion. My thought is that freedom of speech means you not only can express your opinion, you can express it where you want, which means in an NFL stadium as you are showing up for work. I love the flag and America, and salute it, but do not judge those who are choosing to kneel. When we judge others, we often judge them wrongfully, and many (if not all) of those not kneeling are patriotic. Accusing them wrongfully places us on the wrong side in this issue.

  • John Kateel Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 11:44 p.m.

    Who cares what the majority thinks.

    If the mostly African American unionized NFL wants to kneel during the national anthem to protest police brutality, that is what they are going to do and nobody is going to stop them.

    What are owners going to do, have more white or Asian running backs or wide receivers?

    They will get smoked like BYU is getting smoked.

    Who cares if less people watch football. I love football, but I love freedom to protest more. I could care less who is doing what during the national anthem.

    If owners continue to whine, I will watch more soccer.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 11:44 p.m.

    These black players who protest are not comfortable honoring the Anthem of a country in which the plight of their poorer brethren is so desperate. The economic situation of black men in this country is desperate. I don't blame these guys for protesting.

    @1covey "Better yet, athletes also could spend some time in communities getting to know the situation first-hand; better to know where to put their money."

    Actually most of these guys have come out of these very communities so they know the situation there a whole lot better than you.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 7:45 p.m.

    A USAToday/Suffolk University poll (Oct 2) found 51% said the players protest was appropriate vs 42% that say it's inappropriate.

    The CBS/YouGov poll (Sept. 29) found 38% approval, 52% disapproval. (unlike some people I'll actually use multiple polls, not just the most favorable one for what I want to argue)

    So those two averaged together (I'm not going to try and account for one being more recent than the other) to 44.5% approve, 47% disapprove. Pretty close to even.

  • Maudine SLC, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 7:09 p.m.

    “... silent protests of the flag and what it stands for.“

    Perhaps if an effort were made to actually discuss what the protests are about, we could solve the underlying issue and there would no longer be a reason for the players to kneel.

    As anyone who honestly pays attention can tell you, the protests are about police brutality against African-Americans (a.k.a. black people).

    Stop deflecting and deal with the real issue.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 6:32 p.m.

    Excellent suggestions. Better yet, athletes also could spend some time in communities getting to know the situation first-hand; better to know where to put their money. After 50 years of civil rights legislation, affirmative action and other government programs, this country has made good progress; but, to be realistic, it's like legislating morality. Like all prejudices, there will always be some. Local community groups, especially faith-based, are more effective in dealing with local issues such as tutoring, mentoring, maybe even developing employment opportunities, which can greatly help struggling families. Beware of political action groups and politicians who are in it for their own agendas. A lot of those types have made a bundle, while accomplishing little.

  • Holy-Schamoly-What Baloney Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 8, 2017 6:21 p.m.

    Extremely well said. But to follow their advice would take resolve, determination, energy and money. None of the players wants anything but their mug shown kneeling on the TV screen or raising a fist or locking arms. It's all about media attention, not actually addressing any real issue they claim needs to be resolved. We've seen this for years with the national leaders who can't wait to rush to any incident and grab the microphone and lament how bad things are for the black people, as they themselves live like kings. We've witnessed it time and again as anything that can be spun by the media as a "racial" component to anything that happens is sold as such, which the majority of the time the only racial connection is two persons happen to be from different races. We've seen it in hiring practices, graduate school admissions, and many areas where racial preference is granted because of something that happened 200 years ago about which no one today did thing one. We've heard about unfair justice in the number incarcerated, yet the criminals all seem to have a criminal lifestyle; children born out of wedlock fits their same culture.

    Yes, the NFL enables bad behavior.