Family members of man shot dead by police call for officer's firing

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  • erikpeterhansen Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 12, 2017 2:37 p.m.

    If you aren't upstanding and walking the straight and narrow this makes you an OK target for a bullet to the back? Oops - No repentance available for that guy.

  • erikpeterhansen Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 12, 2017 9:41 a.m.

    Why must we be gunslingers? Are there non-lethal solutions to confrontation? In East Los Angeles there were when I lived there. Of course there are! Can't a cop fight? Does he have a taser or a spray, a club or a rubber bullet? Who's at fault for the slaughter of a man? Not the untried, unstable guy who instantly gets a steel bullet for being disturbed and unlawful (probably a nice guy with a family). Not the officer (probably a nice guy with a family) who received base training to be rash, afraid and brutal with a single deadly weapon. -- So who's at fault? The people who accept this and say, "That's the way it has to be." Mainly those leaders who love brutal justice.

  • Liberal living on Planet Utah SLC, UT
    Oct. 11, 2017 2:52 p.m.

    LDSAZ -

    Do you justify this criminal fleeing the police?

    Nice spin! I do it for a living. Are you aware the reason why he was stopped? Many cops for a single bicycle infraction. Do you truly believe the response would have been identical if this was a white man on his bicycle from Federal Heights? If so this only further proves a gross disconnect. Ask your "many black friends" if they agree. Furthermore. You have no idea regarding the facts of his warrants, "criminal activity" or if in fact he attempted to seek assistance for his condition. This is called hearsay comrade. In conclusion. No knife. No weapons. The man was shot 3 times in his back! Care to place a wager the outcome after the federal investigation? Thank you and keep digging!

    "Yes I have many black friends".

    Yes, I'm certain you believe this. Casa Grande, AZ...49.9% White. 4.9% African American! If this statement is accurate, which I highly doubt ask your "many black friends" to watch the video, then ask them the identical questions you did of me. Guarantee these supposed "many black friends" will be friends no longer!

    "Yes I have been out of Utah many many times, even lived.."

    For roughly two years.

  • Liberal living on Planet Utah SLC, UT
    Oct. 11, 2017 1:08 p.m.

    Cactus Pete -

    "So tell us Liberal on Planet Zion what could Sim Gill, District Attorney for Salt Lake County, possibly know about this case that he based his decision on? Could it be possible that he has more inside information about this case than what you've been able to extract from inaccurate news accounts"?

    Gladly comrade! I've been a practicing defense attorney for nearly 20 years. May I ask the last time you defended someone accused of a crime? How about any case involving police brutality? Capital murder? Possibly it is I that possesses much more "inside information" then you were aware. Furthermore. Care to cite examples regarding the "inaccurate news accounts"? Epic fail! Thank you and keep digging.

    "Perhaps the one who is clueless here is the liberal and not Sim Gill".

    Deep yawn...States the poster which has never once walked into a courtroom as the defense attorney.

  • Lib Living on Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Oct. 11, 2017 12:54 p.m.

    Cactus Pete -

    "So tell us Liberal on Planet Zion what could Sim Gill, District Attorney for Salt Lake County, possibly know about this case that he based his decision on? Could it be possible that he has more inside information about this case than what you've been able to extract from inaccurate news accounts"?

    Gladly comrade! I've been a practicing defense attorney for nearly 20 years. May I ask the last time you defended someone accused of a crime? How about any case involving police brutality? Capital murder? Possibly it is I that possesses much more "inside information" then you were aware. Furthermore. Care to cite examples regarding the "inaccurate news accounts"? Epic fail! Thank you and keep digging.

    "Perhaps the one who is clueless here is the liberal and not Sim Gill".

    Deep yawn...States the poster which has never once walked into a courtroom as the defense attorney.

  • Lib on Planet Zion Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 11, 2017 12:37 p.m.

    JMHO -
    "You are the one who needs to get a clue. What makes you the purveyor of all that is right. You have no idea what the social make-up is of those who are posting. Many of them could have more insight than you. The problem you have is you think that by saluting diversity that makes you superior".

    Deep yawn...Apologize for the delayed response. Are you attempting to tell me that I'm incorrect regarding the demographic in the state of Utah? That in fact it is not 82% white and nearly 65% of the population are Mormon? Your complaint should be taken up with Wikipedia since this was the source used! Never did I imply or mention anything regarding insight. Furthermore. I believe anyone which "salutes diversity" or embraces diversity is in fact socially superior. Our countries backbone is and always has been its acceptance of immigrants, regardless of religious beliefs! For example. The Mormon settlers being forced from several locations prior to settling in Utah. Thank you and keep digging!

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Oct. 11, 2017 7:42 a.m.

    Facts not in dispute, bad guy pulls a knife on the cops. By definition, a knife is a dangerous weapon capable of inflicting injury or death.

    The very definition of Utah's deadly force statute allows the use of deadly force in these instances.

    Let the FBI do their investigation. They are not going to find anything different than Gill did.

    While I sympathize with the family, maybe they should have been a little more pro-active about trying to get him to stop his criminal behavior and get him back on the straight and narrow way.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 9:27 p.m.

    Calm heads need to prevail. The FBI should investigate and be given the time to do it correctly. It is a sad loss for his family and friends. It is also a reminder of why a life of crime doesn't pay. In the end everyone is hurt by it - society, the person, their family. The police should be held accountable for their actions. At the same time we are rapidly descending into a society where it has become a thankless and much more dangerous job to be a cop. Not sure why anyone wants to be one anymore. It wouldn't be worth the stress and pay. Glad there are people still willing to do the job.

    Give the FBI a chance to get to the truth and then go from there with what should or shouldn't happen on either end.

  • Bountiful Guy Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 7:56 p.m.

    @Utah Girl Chronicles

    "How many white bicyclists around here end up getting blown away by a cop?"

    Every one of them who flees the police who has a record of being a violent criminal. Are you ok now?

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 7:25 p.m.

    I am 65 years old and have never been shot by the police. when i have been stopped by the police, i do as i am told.. i do NOT try to escape. I don't carry knives with me... I take of any
    legal problems before it becomes necessary to issue a warrant. This is NOT about skin color. This is about obeying the law, and complying with officers orders.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 7:05 p.m.

    Utah Girl Chronicles - Eagle Mountain, UT asks "why not call off this chase and catch up with the guy later?"

    Maybe Utah Girl is right. Why bother to chase anybody for fear the suspect might get hurt? Think of all the money we could save if we fired all the police, opened the jail doors, and look the other way when crimes are committed.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 6:01 p.m.

    If police commonly call off police car chases when they realize the public's safety is being endangered, why not call off this chase and catch up with the guy later? How many white bicyclists around here end up getting blown away by a cop?

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 5:31 p.m.

    A slowed down version of the video shows the suspect turning towards toward the police. To many people in our society have no respect for law enforcement. Do as the police say and you won't get shot. If there are concerns about police misconduct contact an attorney of file a complaint with the department. Most cops are decent. A few are not.

  • Gramphans Draper, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 4:44 p.m.

    Liberal from planet...

    What part of this story has anything whatsoever to do with any religion? In particular, you singled out members of the LDS faith.
    I've read, and re-read this story. I cannot, for the life of me see where either the officer, or the criminal is mentioned as being attached to any religion at all.
    I've also read all of the comments. I don't see where anyone has cited their own religion, let alone used it as a basis for their opinion.
    Any suggestion that anybody has based their opinion of this story, or this topic in general upon their religious beliefs, ignores this story in it's entirety, and is an attempt to turn it into an argument totally unrelated.

  • Lib Living on Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 3:44 p.m.

    Cinci-
    "Settle down. Relax. Try to focus on facts that you know, rather than ranting about things you choose to ignore".

    States the Trump voter/enabler. The defending of open mic sexual assault. The defending of bigotry. The defending of misogyny and all matters regarding your supreme leader! It is beyond sickening.

    "You have made a lot of hateful statements about people you know nothing about. So how much better are you than those you blast"?

    Such as? Specifics. My statements are deemed "hateful" because they are 100% accurate and you disagree? Epic fail! You have no issues supporting Trump and his continued hateful rhetoric.

    "There are stories about whites being shot and killed by police officers also. It's not a race thing".

    I'm certain there are. Not my point in the least. Desire to compare the sample size? Especially outside the booming metropolis of Ft. Mitchell.

    "No officer considers the race of someone with a gun or knife running from the police or running at the police".

    State this to the victims! No gun. No visible knife. Man was shot in the back 3 times!

    "Control your anger please".

    This should be directed towards your supreme leader comrade. Thank you.

  • LDSAZ Casa Grande, AZ
    Oct. 10, 2017 3:24 p.m.

    Liberal On Planet Zion

    Do you justify this criminal fleeing the police?
    Do you justify his criminal activity identified by outstanding warrants?
    Were all the outstanding warrants the result of an arrest by a white officer?
    We are jurors and judges white?
    Were all his victims white?
    Do you justify his illegal actions on his bike?
    Do you justify his not getting medical attention for his medical conditions expressed by his family?
    Do you justify his knife? (not proven otherwise yet that it was not his)
    Do you justify resisting arrest just because he's black with a criminal record?
    Are blacks the only ones arrested for criminal behavior by whites?
    Do you justify the horror he inflicted on these officers and the public?

    Yes I have many black friends.
    Yes I have been out of Utah many many times, even lived outside of Utah.
    Yes, I wish this guy hadn't fled police. Yes, I wish he hadn't been killed. Yes, I wish he wouldn't have put his family through this. Yes, I wish he hadn't put the police through this. And I especially wish he hadn't put you through this.

  • Cactus Pete Centerville, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 2:57 p.m.

    @Liberal On Planet Zion - SLC, UT

    So tell us Liberal on Planet Zion ....... what could Sim Gill, District Attorney for Salt Lake County, possibly know about this case that he based his decision on? Could it be possible that he has more inside information about this case than what you've been able to extract from inaccurate news accounts?

    Perhaps the one who is clueless here is the liberal and not Sim Gill.

  • JMHO Kanab, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 2:52 p.m.

    Liberal:
    You are the one who needs to get a clue. What makes you the purveyor of all that is right. You have no idea what the social make-up is of those who are posting. Many of them could have more insight than you. The problem you have is you think that by saluting diversity that makes you superior.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    Oct. 10, 2017 2:43 p.m.

    @Liberal On Planet Zion

    Settle down. Relax. Try to focus on facts that you know, rather than ranting about things you choose to ignore. You have made a lot of hateful statements about people you know nothing about. So how much better are you than those you blast? There are stories about whites being shot and killed by police officers also. It's not a race thing. No officer considers the race of someone with a gun or knife running from the police or running at the police. Have you noticed that black and white officers and even officers of other races face the same life and death situations? And officers of all walks of life are involved in these quick decisions. And I would bet that you personally know very few of those who have commented, but you are quick to label them according to your delight. You are not very credible. In fact, you sound as though you are in a world as small as you accuse others of living in. May I suggest that you do not flee from police, no matter your race or the race of the officers talking to you? I hope you will remain safe. Control your anger please.

  • J Thompson SPRINGVILLE, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 2:40 p.m.

    What should society expect from the police who are hired and appointed to protect us from those who disrepect the law? What about the "outstanding warrants"? Should someone who has "outstanding warrants" NOT be considered to be a grave risk to society? What about the knife? Should a police officer NOT use lethal force until AFTER the officer is stabbed? What about the responsibility of the person who is stopped by the police? The offense may have been minor. He crossed multiple lanes of traffic without a tail light. He put motorists in danger. He pretended that his actions were of no significance. He brandished a knife.

    Responsible people would agree that the police officers were not only justified in using deadly force but that they were required to do so to protect our innocent population who have a right to be protected from those who ignore bench warrants, who have a right to be protected from those who brandish a knife against police officer, who have a right to expect the police to do what they have to do to protect the rest of society from those who break our laws.

  • Bountiful Guy Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 1:55 p.m.

    I don't see in the video how the criminal had time to pull out a knife and open it. I hope frame by frame analysis can determine this. It all happened so quickly.

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 1:53 p.m.

    The low information enabling crowd stating one dimensional opinions. Most of which have never stepped one foot outside the state of Utah besides a two year controlled environment. Do those justifying the shooting of this man three times in his back while fleeing...How many of you have black friends? How many of you have non Mormon friends? How different these opinions would be if this was a white man from Cottonwood Heights, Draper, St. George, etc! Quite the simplistic view to question, with all the ongoing information today that black citizens are clearly treated much differently then whites. Of course living in Utah, with a population of nearly 82% being white and nearly 65% belonging to one single church when most socialize, work and attend church together, unfortunately it is easy to believe that the police treat all of its citizens in the same manner. Get a clue! Thank you

  • kane Provo, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 11:44 a.m.

    Did you guys see the video of this shooting? It was sad. I don't get the whole shoot him multiple times in the back if he's running away. It all happened so quickly but I didn't even see a knife. Maybe I saw a different video from what some of you might have watched and commented on but it was sad indeed.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 11:22 a.m.

    Mental illness is a courtroom winner.

    Once upon a time a man went berserk on the highway. His wife was afraid and locked herself in the car and called the police.

    The police arrived and tazed him twice to subdue him.

    The widow won $2 million in court.

    Susan Hunt got $900K

    In a strange case in Illinois, a man (Daniel Barraza) confessed to murder of a woman and her 4-year-old in September of this year. It turns out that in 2012 he was being taken to court for a hearing on other charges and kicked out the window of the police car and ran away. The police shot him as he was fleeing. He sued the cops for $6 million.

    The city (Elgin) dropped the charges and gave him an "undisclosed amount" in settlement back in 2012.

    Now, two people are dead and we are trying him again. He's claiming insanity and off his meds.

    The cops just can't win.

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 11:12 a.m.

    Murray Mike has a good point...but if this man's medical history was in the police record then would that be profiling and also against HIPAA. Perhaps we need to stop doing the politically correct thing now...and just do the right thing.

  • Gramphans Draper, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 10:27 a.m.

    Question #1 How come the headline here does not read more something like; Family of knife wielding man, (notice the absence of the word 'black')...
    Question #2 Why is there a perception that officers are not justified in taking lethal action the second a threat is posed against them.
    The idea police must use the least amount of force possible in any situation to eliminate the threat, is no, never has been, and never will be, a standard those who protect and serve must LIVE by. Their number one objective is to return to their family safely every single day. They do not have to 'wait and see' what an offender is going to do next. People will quit dying at the hands of officers, when they learn to comply when an officer of the law is doing his job.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Oct. 10, 2017 10:16 a.m.

    one vote - Do you think running from the cops, having a deadly weapon with him, might just change the equation in the cops mind? If it had ONLY been a missing tail light this entire event wouldn't have happened.

  • Cactus Pete Centerville, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 10:04 a.m.

    @one vote - Salt Lake City, UT
    One vote says "Alot of police officers for a broken tail light on a bicycle".

    You couldn't be more correct. Ordinarily it would have only taken 1 officer to write 1 citation. Now if the offender has a warrant for his/her arrest and decides to do something that threatens the safety of the officer or someone else ............

  • No One Of Consequence West Jordan, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 9:46 a.m.

    The police have to make the right decision every time, conforming to laws and rules. They need to go home alive each day. Then one day they come up against a guy who appears to be running at them with a knife, or a snow shovel or running toward who knows who with a samurai sword. The mentally ill sometimes don't make good choices based on ingrained training. They sometimes make bad choices based on their internal view of the world around them.

    A multiple tragedy. One man dead. One man living with the consequences of his actions. And many people with mental illnesses not getting the help they need.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 9:39 a.m.

    Alot of police officers for a broken tail light on a bicycle. The non seriousness of the offense should moderate the use of deadly force.

  • taking a stand for truth Lehi, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 9:09 a.m.

    I feel sorry for everyone involved. Hindsight can identify lots of possible different options.

  • search diligently Lehi, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 9:07 a.m.

    You can't taser or baton a guy that is on the run from you.

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 9:06 a.m.

    How would the police know that the man had a bipolar disorder and schizophrenia?

    Should they have put that on the list of polite questions to ask someone who was fleeing from them and reportedly had a weapon? !!

  • MurrayMike Murray, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 8:59 a.m.

    It's too bad that an illness like schizophrenia wouldn't show up on the outstanding warrants, or did it? If not, they should be linked somehow. As for the two officers there, they should have used tasers if the distance allowed them to do it for their safety. This guy starts running and taser him. If not, and this guy was coming at them in close, then I can understand the use of deadly force. If a guy has broken into my house and comes at me with a knife, I won't use kind words to stop him, I'll shoot him.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 8:33 a.m.

    The guy had bipolar disorder and schizophrenia; plus outstanding warrants. Does anybody see red flags here ? Evidently, not his family. They should have been the first to take action to deal with the problem; not just let it go, until something bad happened. There could have been other bad outcomes besides what did happen.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 8:29 a.m.

    It's amazing safe you are when you DON'T run away from Police.

  • neece Hyde Park, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 8:28 a.m.

    "They need to stop killing people," she said. "Who gave police the right to be the judge and jury to take people's loved ones?"

    Ok try this question on for size... "Why are they running? Why were they committing a crime in the first place? Who gave the police the right to be the judge and jury...?" We did. We asked police officers to put their lives on the line to protect us against those who commit crimes and run from the police! Why does it have to be a "Black or White" thing? Where did it become ok for "johnny" to rob, pillage and plunder? Why are people forgetting that "Johnny" had someone at gunpoint? When did that become ok? When did it become "OK" for "Johnny" to run from police? Our mindset is a bit screwey when we start thinking it as "Murder" by the police when it was "Johnny" who was committing the crime.

  • Watcher1 Sandy, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 8:03 a.m.

    I think the possession and disposition of a knife are key elements. Are there times when the police obviously overstep their bounds and kill someone without good cause? Absolutely. It takes more than a badge and a uniform to make all "public servants" qualified, competent, and professional. In this case, if there was a knife and it was a real threat, then apparently the shooting was justified. In cases like that of Danielle Willard in West Valley City, where she was killed for inconveniently occupying a vehicle, there clearly is NO justification whatsoever. I also want to go home to my family every night, but that doesn't justify me killing someone on the street because I lack the judgment to respond properly.

  • Bountiful Guy Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 8:02 a.m.

    I remember a few years ago when a father called the police because his son was having a violent episode in his house. He was uncontrollably angry and shouting at family members. The dad wanted help. When the police arrived to help the anguished father to get his son under control, the son pulled out a knife and retreated to a corner of the living room, shaking the knife at the officers as he warned them not to come closer. So the police shot and killed that white kid. The father wished he had never called the police. He felt that eventually the son would have got a hold of himself and calmed down. That's great 20/20 hindsight, but no one can be sure how it might have played out. It sure seems like there should have been a way to save the distraught kid's life. Death shouldn't be the only option for police. If they choose to wound instead of kill, they may lose their jobs - not following protocol and training. But the rest of us would have called such police action heroic. The officers were rightfully exonerated. But the system failed. I feel for this family. I hope discussion (not kneeling) can bring a better future outcome for others.

  • Lolly Lehi, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 8:00 a.m.

    Read the tail light law. This all started with a tail light being out and the penalty was death. The fellows who stopped the stabbing at the convenience store on Sunday night did not shoot the guy but stopped him without all of police protection gadgets. You can't tell me that a fellow with a knife can't be talked out of it when he sees guns drawn.

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 7:52 a.m.

    I recognize that the family is going through the stages of grief, one of which is anger. But their anger is misplaced.

    It's not the officer's fault that their loved one first ran, then turned back towards the police to threaten them. He chose his path and thus the outcome. The officer is not playing judge and jury, no sentence was passed, just a defensive reaction that will often be fatal.

    Don't want to get shot, obey the officer's commands, don't run and don't threaten them. If the officer does wrong, fight it in the courts or the media afterwards. Fighting it on the spot is always a losing proposition.

  • Cactus Pete Centerville, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 7:51 a.m.

    @Egyptian origins - Salt Lake City, UT
    You aren't going to spark outrage in Utah where the great majority of our citizens believe in obeying the law. Ferguson Missouri maybe but not Salt Lake City.

    Treat police officers with respect and they will respond accordingly. Treat the police officers with disrespect and they will respond accordingly. Guaranteed!!

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 7:50 a.m.

    Let's see. Outstanding warrants, armed with a knife, running from police. And the family is claiming he's an altar boy. Hmm. Sounds like litigation lotto to me.

    The media frenzy now includes the race of the cop, how many shots were fired, was he shot in the back, what's in the officer's file.

    If you can't do the time...

    If your loved on is mentally ill, someone better keep a close eye on him and keep him away from weapons.

    What started out as a political stunt by the left has gotten way out of hand. Republicans have been promoting law and order for a couple of decades now. Democrats responded with felon rights campaigns. Now we are seeing police who are shy and slow to respond. That's not healthy for our society.

  • Husker2 International Falls, MN
    Oct. 10, 2017 7:47 a.m.

    Running at a police officer with a weapon is bad because the police officer will feel threatened and use whatever force is necessary to protect him/herself. Running away from a police officer is even worse because the police officer then must do whatever is necessary to protect the public, and they take that responsibility very seriously.

    The same people who are criticizing the police for excessive force would criticize them even more if the man running away took hostages or hurt an innocent bystander.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Oct. 10, 2017 7:47 a.m.

    Running from the cops who were attempting to handcuff you, having a deadly weapon with you and turning to face the cops chasing you is a perfect recipe for being shot. What is it that you folks don't understand about dealing with law enforcement?

    Don't give them an excuse to kill you. Don't run from cops; don't fight with cops; don't threaten cops with a weapon. Keep your hands in view of the cops; follow their directions to the letter, don't anger them. Live to enjoy another day. . .

  • macnkat Riverton, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 7:03 a.m.

    "Family members of man shot dead by police call for officer's firing"...well of course they do. No one is accountable anymore. Families of those that choose to flee, fight and challenge Police and then pay the price will always think it was unjust...especially if there is a dollar to be made.

  • Egyptian origins Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 6:37 a.m.

    It's sad when there is injustice and especially when it's covered up with death. In our modern society, the story must go viral and spark an outrage by a large majority of people before corruption is forced to make changes that appear to promote justice. I admit I don't know how to get the attention of the world nor how I can spark that outrage to initiate necessary change. Right now that attention and change is working on behalf of our enemy and we are losing the battle over our Constitutional Rights. My heart goes out to this family, for I too am a victim of Utah's injustice concerning the loss of my family.

  • LeftField Auckland, 00
    Oct. 10, 2017 6:21 a.m.

    Anyone who says "end of discussion" when a bureaucratic decision is handed down when clear patterns of discrimination and disproportion are evident is acquiescing to injustice and in that way adding tacit support. This country didn't become great because people sat back and let officials do what they pleased. We should all take a knee for Patrick Harmon and work to make sure that racial equality before the law is achieved.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 5:55 a.m.

    Lamar Ross said "the officers with batons and Tasers shouldn't have resorted to using a gun". Is Lamar Ross suggesting that the police needed to use some kind of force to arrest this aggressive suspect?

  • Basictech Columbus, OH
    Oct. 10, 2017 5:30 a.m.

    Running from the Police is always a bad idea, and in today's anti-Police environment, it is even worse. Salt lake city officials are responsible because they have allowed lawlessness, and ordered stand downs. Blame your elected official for making the streets an unsafe environment for Police to do their jobs because they have diminished the respect that comes with the badge.

  • Bountiful Guy Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 10, 2017 5:00 a.m.

    I think it should be stressed that when a criminal (assumed danger to society because of his history) is fleeing police, he places innocent bystanders at extreme risk. Someone could be taken hostage. Someone could be accosted. Someone's home could be breached. The fleeing criminal has raging hormones and adrenaline and could easily act irrationally and dangerously. The police have to protect themselves first and the public second. The criminal gets (and should get) consideration after those two are considered. I would never want that order to be changed. I do wish that it were easier for police to disable a fleeing criminal. I wish there were a remote switch to shut a criminal down. Tasers can be helpful in some circumstances. Batons can be sometimes helpful. But they carry risks too. The laws and training result in death. It's sad. Even the family, in their complaint, express that their fleeing family member has issues that pose a danger to others. He had to be stopped. It's too bad he fled. It's too bad he caused all this. It's too bad officers are made to feel endangered. The only decision that could be made here was made.

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 11:56 p.m.

    It is good to support our law enforcement officers, but I wonder if this is a time we shouldn't. If this went down the way officers are trained to handle such situations, our officers are not being trained to respect human life enough. Just because the law gives you the right to take someone's life, does not mean it is right. The law needs to be changed and the officers' training needs to be changed.
    Perhaps the racial turmoil this nation is experiencing would disappear if we did not have such killings. Surely, we should see that both our laws and our police training need to have change-ups.

  • John Jackson Sandy, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 11:13 p.m.

    When our laws shield unnecessary killings, our laws are not just.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 9:06 p.m.

    re: ""Who gave police the right to be the judge and jury to take people's loved ones?""

    It is always sad when someone loses their life when it was unnecessary. It is also sad when people put officers lives in danger by making really bad choices. The wives/husbands, children, parents, extended families and friends of our police officers deserve to have their loved ones come home safely EVERY SINGE NIGHT. Sadly, too many of our officers are injured or killed by people who either choose to harm them, or harm them negligently.

    So folks, the police get to err on the side of protecting themselves. If you are brandishing a weapon, threatening an officer or others, etc., the law and odds are not on your side. Also, if you have commit multiple crimes, and later are caught by police, you will not get the benefit of the doubt like an upstanding citizen would (Alex Wubbels excepted!).

    So be law abiding, and your odds of getting hurt by the police will be very low.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 9:03 p.m.

    If you are in police custody, about the stupidest thing you can do is to flee. The police are forced at that point to go after you.

    If in the process of fleeing you happen to flinch or to turn, the policeman is forced to make a split second decision, .. must I shoot to save my life? 9 times out of 10 the officer will error on the side of going home to his family that night.

    The benefit of the doubt at that point needs to go to the policeman, his first obligation is to himself and his family, not a crook who decides to flee the police.

    I don't believe that policemen want to shoot black people. To kill another person takes a great emotional toll on most anyone. The vast majority of police would prefer to never draw their gun in anger.

  • RWOFVA RIVERTON, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 8:53 p.m.

    Its not about the police officer. Its about the rules. Either he followed them or he did not. If not prosecute him, but if it is determined he followers the rules then talk to the people who made the rules.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 8:49 p.m.

    @DN Subscriber;
    "Anyone who flees from an arresting officer then turns and faces them with a weapon, even a knife, is responsible for causing the officer to take defensive action. "

    The video doesn't show him having a knife. It could've been planted. The facts are that he was shot in the back 3 times while running away. Look for the Feds to revisit this.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 8:35 p.m.

    I would never want to be a police officer, but I'm thankful they are there. The video doesn't look good at first glance. Even if he had a knife, it looked like he was running away, not toward the officers. The officer may be not guilty of murder, but I'm pretty sure SLC will be on the hook for a few million.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 8:24 p.m.

    I grieve for any family who loses a family member to violence, including poor judgement by police, HOWEVER (and I say however in the kindest way I can) there are several things to consider before we go for the throat of the police. 1) Police face violent people who pose a danger to themselves and the public more than we realize. 2) when someone becomes confrontational with the police, they are just as responsible for the outcome as the police are (maybe even more so!). 3) Like it or not, we live in a sick society, but it would be far worse if there were no police!

    Can the police do a better job? Sure they can, but I contend that they are grossly under manned and under paid, so we get what we asked for. We are more concerned about the "squeaky wheel" loud voices demanding more free hand outs than we are about the issue of providing the vital services we absolutely need, to maintain civil order.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Oct. 9, 2017 8:22 p.m.

    People can call for anything they want, but we are a nation of laws, which have to be obeyed.

    The laws of Utah require the District Attorney investigate officer involved shootings to determine if they were lawful or not. The DA investigated and found that the officer acted in accordance with the law. End of discussion. Especially since the DA has a reputation for being tough on cops.

    I am sorry for your loss, but I am thankful the officer went home safely that night. 67 officers have been killed in the line of duty in the first 6 months of 2017, so it is not irrational or unlawful to defend against a suspect with a weapon in their hands.

    Anyone who flees from an arresting officer then turns and faces them with a weapon, even a knife, is responsible for causing the officer to take defensive action. In other words, your family member made a decision which cost him his life and no one else is responsible for him doing that.