jparry - Provo, UT:I suspect that the tribe will now file a law
suite. It is all about money. If these things were or are so important to an
Indian Tribe, why haven't they made the changes they are now demanding
years ago?Looks like some ACLU lawyers are looking for law suites
and LOTS of money.
This is very controversial. The only way this should be changed is with a voter
referendum. Anything else would be unacceptable.
By the way, Wikipedia has a good summary for the arguments for and against the
use of the term squaw. For me, since it is not a term used by the tribes of this
area, I would prefer to see something more native.
I would like something using a native language. If squaw comes from Algonquin,
could we not have something tied to a local tribe?
If we are going to change it, let's not make the same mistake and use and
Indian name - someone will eventually be offended and we'll have to change
it again. *sigh*Go with the safe options: Rock Canyon Peak, Temple
View Peak, Pioneer Peak, Mount Edwards, etc.
Um, the Ute Tribe was here long before Mormon Pioneers settled the place.
It's about time that we stop thinking that history began in this area in
1847. I like this idea of naming it after the Ute woman who threw herself off
of the peak. If we can't find her name, let's consult the Ute Tribe
to see what better word we could use for "woman'--not a fan of Lady Ute
Although I disagree that Squaw Peak should have its name changed . I think
it's ridiculous and strange and so PC. The only other name that makes
sense is Sacajawea.
"During the standoff one of the besieged Ute women threw herself from the
cliffs on Squaw Peak"That settles it. If it must be changed,
Lady Ute Peak is the only choice--well, until the Lady Cougars get offended.
Reading the paper use to be a great smorgasbord of ideas, seasoned with
descriptive words and interesting photos. I could agree or disagree, and make
up my mind after a presentation of the facts, Read different opinions on the
opinion pages. Editorials were perhaps the only place you could tell what
"The Paper" thought, and even then it was reasoned. There were
investigative journalists like Jack Andersen, and others. People lived their
lives in an uncomplaining way. I didn't even know any "Victims".
Now everyone is one. Once I traveled from a sales meeting out to tour a factory
back on the east coast. On the ride out, one of the salesmen got up and told a
"Mormon" joke. The whisper started at the back, close to where I was
setting and I watched it go all the way up to this gentleman after he told the
joke. He approached me as we got off the bus and apologized. I told him, I
thought it was a great joke. It was the start of a professional friendship that
went on for years. I'm not sure what this has to do with Squaw Peak, but
we all should lighten up a bit.
How about the "Let's not be offended when no offense is intended
peak." How sad to live your life being offended at every little thing.
What's sad is washing away these "offensive" things gives us no
perspective on history. Really sad.
If the goal is to not offend anybody, they should go with "The Peak".
The mayor’s office and Mr. Wride need to get lives.
Definitely “Stud Peak”, but it will always be Squaw Peak no matter
what the PC liberals do!
Leave it. And stop getting offended for other people.
It can be Female Native American Peak, unless the gender identity crowd objects.
Then it could be Native American Peak With No Assigned Gender. But I don't
know if that will fit on the maps.
Squaw Peak is part of MY heritage. Leave my heritage alone.
We used not to have to go to such great lengths to get a local headline but with
the constant shrieking coming from the whitehouse that grabs local and national
headlines.This is actual news vs getting to hear what somebody
tweeted. I think it would be better to share the names of those who climb that
mountain for health sake. People who are using it and enjoying it are probably
The problem with political correctness is that it just never ends. Their is
always yet another thing for someone to get offended by.
My choice would be Aboo, Peak
Hot Babe Peak
I say fight ridiculousness with more ridiculousness! Name Peaky McPeakface!
There is a difference between standing up to political correctness run amok, and
being a culturally insensitive jerk.Just food for thought, folks.
Oh my, it must be nice to be a part of the majority, the dominant cultural
group, and have the convenience of not being offended by anything.Some of the comments here are quite ignorant. Here are some facts folks:
First, the term is considered offensive among Native American groups, has been
used historically as an intentional derogatory slander, and is not used by the
in-group as another word for "woman" as some have suggested. Second,
there is some evidence that the word is derived from an earlier word meaning
"female genitals."Yeah, we should definitely keep the name
I have grown up with "native american" indians. I have family who are
native americans. Not one of them have ever taken offense by the name
"Squaw" or "Squaw Peak" as a matter of fact. What
is wrong with this country that seems to be trying to pick its roots apart?When will we get off this crazy bandwagon and embrace our heritage and
differences and stop trying to re-change our roots, our religion, our history,
Well it looks like the Ute tribe or whoever wants to bully the public once again
with the "political correctness" stick. And there are those dumb enough
to cave in.This is such nonsense. The word "squaw" is by no
means or ways insulting or demoralizing any more than the word "woman".
Rather it is a respected and revered name.Come on. Get a backbone.
Stop caving in to nonsense!
Squaw Peak. That's what it should be called.
This is utterly ridiculous and silly. For decades this has been the name and
NOW, someone wants to make it an issue? Once again, our politicians and
lawyers, are looking for money and fame...as they see it. Make up an offensive
issue and they'll make money. Disgusting! How about changing
the name "Native American"? I'm an Native American; I was born
here. My relatives came from Europe. the "Native Americans" came from
some other country centuries ago. So, why should they be given some name/title
that I can't be? Past time to start acting like adults and not
being offended by silly things.
Those in public office always have a need to show they have done something.
This is how a name change like this comes into focus. The focus is being
elected again. After they leave office with all of the good and damage they
have done, it is like putting your hand in a bucket of water and upon pulling it
out, the hole remaining is how much they will be missed. Changing the name does
nothing since it will always be called Squaw Peak with admiration for years to
come. Just look at the attempt to change from Mormon to CJCLDS.
A few suggestions:SJW Overreaction PeakPolitical Correctness
Foolishness PeakI'm Offended By Everything PeakMount Snowflake
Changed My NameMake Out Point (If the ones commenting on the
ridiculousness of renaming the peak are rejected, then we should at least have
the name be descriptive of what it is commonly known for).
According to the book “Utah’s Blackhawk Wars”, a great book,
the Mormon settlers started having conflicts with the Ute Indians in the
1860’s. The area around Utah lake and the Provo River was a traditional
seasonal fishing ground. The Mormon settlers wanted to establish private land
ownership in the area while the Native Americans needed unencumbered access to
the river. Conflict resulted in the murder of a Ute tribal member. To hide his
crime, the Mormon perpetrator cut his victim open and filled him with rocks. The
body was then thrown into the river. Later the Utes pulled their missing fishing
buddy from the river. In the ensuing fights the Mormons chased a group of Utes
into the Rock Canyon area. During the standoff one of the besieged Ute women
threw herself from the cliffs on Squaw Peak.
More evidence that you can't crowdsource something if you want it to be
How about Peak-a-boo?Better yet, let's go with Squaw Peak.Other place names in the area that we'll need to change because
they're probably offensive to someone:Lehi, Nephi, Moroni, Ephraim,
Manti, Enoch, St. George, Bountiful, Brigham City, Brigham Young University (all
of which have some connection to religion, therefore they are offensive to
someone and clearly violate the first amendment)Utah Lake, Utah State,
Utah State University, and University of Utah (named after a Native American
tribe, and how dare we? Can we go back to Deseret? Wait, no, that would be
offensive since it is a word derived from a religious text)It all
reminds me of Michelle Obama's 2008 statement:"Barack knows that
we are going to have to make sacrifices; we are going to have to change our
conversation; we're going to have to change our traditions, our history;
we're going to have to move into a different place as a nation."
The story I heard, and their are several versions. A young woman fell in
love with a man, who went to war. Word came that he had died in battle. (her
family hid in the valley between the mountains (Squaw peak). Her grief caused
her to take off he veil, and place it on a high mountain ledge, that she jumped
off. The man returned, he had just been wounded, and found out about his new
bride. In his grief he carried her body up the mountain and laid her there (you
can see her silhouette on the top of Timpanogos). Her heart was discovered in a
cave (Timp cave). Her tears appeared on the side of the mountain (cascade
springs), and her veil was transformed into bridal veil falls. This
is a true story.
Are they going to change the name of Mt Timpanogos too? I understand the
mountain is shaped to look like an Indian maiden lying on her back. And Timp
cave has a heart-shaped formation in it. How far are we going to go with all
this non-sense?How about Squaw's Peak.....so we can include
more than one female adult Indian (Native American)?What is baffling
is how the politicians always embrace these radical ideas from persons who are
supposedly "offended." Well, the politicians OFFEND ME!!
Enough already.Growing up for a time at the base of Squaw Peak,
"Y" Mountain to the south, Rock Canyon leading onward and upward towards
Provo Peak, there was an honorable legend and some fear of the rugged south face
and upper cliffs, but never a derogatory thought.I thought growing
up that "squaw," however derived, was a word reasonably connoting an
adult Indian woman, not unlike the title "Frau" in German. No other
word comes to mind to succinctly describe an "adult Native American Indian
woman."I am tiring of the impositions of the self-appointed PC
police on society. They make noise and present demands of much nonsense. The
media plays the issues and injects drama. The politicians seek to appear
sensitive and wise. Much of the populace could care less.Shakespeare had it right: "Much ado about nothing." (a comedy)
This is absolute insanity! Come on, Provo. Don't buckle into this
contrived, PC nonsense. There is NO REASON to change the name.
If people in charge cave in to demands to change the name based on some offended
person's misunderstanding of the origins of the newly offensive word
"squaw," then the name must be change to "Politically Correct
Peak."Or maybe "Height of Ignorance?"
In the early 1970's, I was part of a BYU singing group named the
"Lamanite Generation". I knew many Indian students, and no one was
offended by Squaw Peak. No one!Who makes up this stuff?
Naataanii Peak. That is a native American woman's name.
How about "Leave the Name Alone Peak"?
I would think it would be an honor to have a land mark named after someone.I twice fell in love with Indian girls. There is nothing shameful about
them. They were beautiful.
The way the rock layers are angled, it's a perfect shape for a Runnin Ute
Carving just like the Crazy Horse Mountain Carving in South Dakota.
Conflict between Mormon settlers and the local tribe led to the Chief's
wife's death in the canyon, hence the name. It seems like it was a
reverential reference to her, if that's the case then let's find her
name and name it that.
Good Grief. Are we going to get rid of Squaw Valley (home to the 1960 winter
olympics). How about squaw bread? Squaw rock? Squaw river? In fact, cry me a
river. We just went through an ordeal, in Utah, where they wanted to change the
trail from "Negro Bill" to something else. The Black community
recommended against the change.
Change the name? This is so ridiculous and pathetic! I can't believe it
is even being considered.
Or how about taking a cue from the Artist formally known as Prince and call it,
The Peak formally known as Squaw Peak. The name will have been changed to
appease the offended and everybody will know exactly to which peak one is
This is confusing.........The peak is currently called Squaw PeakSomehow this is offensive........The definition of Squaw is
"Native American Woman or Wife"Why is being called a woman
or wife derogatory or offensive..........Head Scratcher!They want a
name now that honors Native American women. Alright, I have the perfect
name.How about "Squaw Peak," it fully represents all women
and wives who were Native American.C'mon people, really? This
is getting as bad as the NFL kneeling thing during the Anthem. Now they are
saying, the guidelines say "Should" stand, and it now the talk is to
change it to "Must" stand. Should Definition - Used to
indicate obligation, duty or correctness.Must Definition - Be
obliged to, "should" expressing necessity. Something that
"should" not be overlooked or missed.Yep, another head
scratcher! This is getting a little too fine in the details is it not. Both
I have a suggestion ... How about "Squaw Peak?" Enough, already, with
everybody being offended by something.
This is coming about because of one woman's appearance on Oprah and who
only considers the Mohawk word "ojiskwa’" referring to female
anatomy. To quote an article on Indian Country Today: According to
Dr. Marge Bruchac, an Abenaki historical consultant, Squaw means the totality of
being female and the Algonquin version of the word “esqua,”
“squa” “skwa” does not translate to a woman’s
female anatomy.“The word has been interpreted by modern
activists as a slanderous assault against Native American women.”“I understand the concern of Indian women who feel insulted by this
word, but I respectfully suggest that we reclaim our language rather than let it
be taken over,” wrote Bruchac.end quotePersonally
I wouldn't be offended if it were named "White Dude Peak" or
"Stud Peak", but I say leave it as it is!
How did Squaw Peak get its name?