Morning links: Jimmer Fredette 'explodes' in China; Is Kyle Whittingham underachieving?

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  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2017 3:32 p.m.

    Jimmer-haters are interesting people.

    The kid never whines, is polite to a fault, plays without abandon, lives a quiet life off the court, is great to fans (including kids), never promotes himself, is a fantastic shooter (better than any shooter on the Jazz roster), has never bad-mouthed Utah....

    Explain to me again why anyone could hate Jimmer Fredette?

  • Leonidas Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 14, 2017 8:30 a.m.

    Love the Jimmer. Keep the news stories coming.

  • burningblue Provo, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 5:02 p.m.

    This is a down season for Whittingham, but he'll bounce back. Anyone who thinks he's overpaid is out of their mind. There are any number schools that would love to have him--BYU included.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 11:34 a.m.

    @brave slr robin
    I'm going to vote yes for the next state income tax increase, just so you can pay more money towards Kyle Whittingham's salary.

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    haha says the guy from San Diego, California. That diploma from Utah serves you well.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 11:31 a.m.

    @motorbike

    So you've seen the churches financials? That'd be rather strange since they don't publically share them.

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    Yet many people see them privately. Also, they report Athletic Dept revenues and expenses publicly to the US Dept of Education Office of Postsecondary Education. Revenue from Tithes isn't listed.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 11:24 a.m.

    @uteofferouus

    I like Kyle Whittingham but a salary of $3.7 million a year is beyond obscene whether the team wins or not!.

    There is scarcely a reasonable justification for any college or professional coach (or player) to be paid that kind of money.

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    Utah will gladly overpay for a coach like Whitt because if they lost him they'd be desperate to find a decent coach to replace him so he has them bent over a barrel. He can sit back and put his feet up and finish at the bottom of the South Division year after year (thank heavens Colorado is in the same division!) and let his fans annually dream of pre-season Rose Bowl championships while he never really has to produce anything anymore. What he did 10 yrs ago will last him a lifetime until he's ready to hang it up.

    It's like he's stuck in a time loop every season. The defense is decent to good, the offense is terrible, he fires his old OC and finds a new sap for the coming year, rewinds the tape, fans start boasting online that this is the year they win the Rose Bowl and he's good to go.

  • Gruncle Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 13, 2017 11:15 a.m.

    @JSKM1232

    You should talk to the Legislature, maybe they could borrow some from the $70,000,000 the Utah football team brought in last year thru ticket sales and TV revenue (PAC-12 figures)

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    haha yeah right, Utah didn't "bring that in" the Pac-12 did while Utah waited in line, hat in hand, with their soup bowl and wooden spoon. If you want an idea of what Utah could "bring in" on their own muscle look at what their athletic dept revenues were like when they were in the MWC and got next to nothing from the conference. It's interesting that back then they were one of the poorer teams in the MWC just as they are now in the Pac12.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Nov. 13, 2017 7:05 a.m.

    @at long last. . . - Kirksville , MO
    Nov. 10, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    "Oh the anticipation! Another year of Jimmer articles in the DN. This coupled with the Mika articles should practically guarantee an award for sports writing for non-NBA professional basketball."

    And yet you read it and even commented on it....

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 12, 2017 7:06 a.m.

    SportsFan - Provo, UT

    "................It's laughable that you whine about the age of BYU accomplishments that the Utes have never accomplished"
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    My question to you was " What has BYU accomplished in football in the 21st century" not 30-40 years in the past.

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 12, 2017 7:02 a.m.

    @Lifelong Republican - Orem, UT

    "How can I get my tax money back for paying a coach $3,700,000 A YEAR to never achieve much?"
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    You should talk to the Legislature, maybe they could borrow some from the $70,000,000 the Utah football team brought in last year thru ticket sales and TV revenue (PAC-12 figures) to refund your contribution to the state coffers.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    Nov. 11, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    JohnInSLC

    What's really hilarious is the jealous angst every Jimmer article ignites amongst our insecure Utah-SLC little brothers.

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    Nov. 11, 2017 1:15 a.m.

    JSKM1232

    When was the last time Utah ever won a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, 24 straight games, 10 straight conference championships, a Davey O'Brien trophy or a Sammy Baugh award, or had even ONE Top 3 Heisman Trophy finalist...

    in their entire football history?

    It's laughable that you whine about the age of BYU accomplishments that the Utes have never accomplished.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 11:30 p.m.

    Funny how a BYU-P house organ article about Jimmer doing well in a third-rate league and Kyle struggling in a first-rate league brings all the coog-fan Ute haters out of their shells.

    There's no no better recipe to temporarily divert attention from their Bottom 25 football disaster and the NCAA hammer hovering over Little Nicky and the basketball train wreck. Well done, DNews!!

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 4:02 p.m.

    @talkinsports - Gilbert, AZ
    ekute

    "How long does the streak have to last and by how many points do we need to win to shame you?"

    Call us when you've won 19 of 21 (most by double digits), plus a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, 24 straight games, 10 straight conference championships, multiple Davey O'Brien and Sammy Baugh awards, and had multiple Top 3 Heisman Trophy finalists,

    and we'll discuss whether we're shamed or not."
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    When was the last time BYU had a national championship (1984), Heisman Winner (1990) Multiple top 3 Heisman Finalists (they didn't win did they) Davey O'Brien winners (NONE since 1991), Sammy Baugh Awards (NONE since 1991). Live in the past much? That all being said, what has BYU done in this Century?

  • Diligent Dave Logan, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 3:57 p.m.

    re: "“Whittingham once ran the table at Utah, and the Utes recognize what he’s done for them with a top-25 salary... (blah, blah, blah)"

    True, for October. But look at the big win last week!

    Perhaps Whit's choice of Offensive Coordinator in Troy Taylor is beginning to payback on investment and risk. Consider last week's game, and the offense numbers Taylor's players finally put up!

    Flash in the pan? We shall see.

    But one must also admit with having gone through so many offensive coordinators since he became head coach, trying to find someone who can make the offense "click" much bigger and better, perhaps Troy took more time than he did last year with getting the offense to start hitting on many more cylinders much more often.

    My hope is that he will keep his boys doing so the rest of the season.

    If so, they may be a contender (in 2018) for championship of the PAC-12!

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 3:53 p.m.

    @taylormade1 - Springville, UT

    "Lost all respect for the Jazz when they would not even give Jimmer a sniff when he was the National College player of the year as well as for sure the best College player to play in the state of Utah ...The Jazz had absolutely nothing to lose by giving him a shot . Not like they are even a slight contender or ever will be... and i can guarantee you that he can shoot better than the majority of the players on the jazz team since he graduated and counting .... AND he would sell a TON of Tickets !"
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    He can shoot UNLESS there is an NBA caliber player guarding him then he's not so hot. His defensive capabilities are about on par with any BYU player that was coached by Dave Rose that is very weak and non-existent. The Jazz already sell all the tickets they print, no need to sell more. Three or was it four teams gave him a chance. His quality of play on an NBA level dictated that he play in China!

  • QDiesel SLC, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 3:05 p.m.

    Whittingham has been underachieving for a long time. Last years team had quite a a few draft picks and several un drafted guys who came close to making rosters or did make rosters and they lost games to teams like Cal, Oregon and Colorado. They should of won those games. I never bought the excuses about Whit when Utah entered the Pac 12 and we're losing a lot of games that he needed to get his talent up to Pac 12 level to be able to compete . They had the easiest schedule the first 2 years they we're in the Pac 12 by not having to play the best 2 teams at the time, Oregon and Stanford, USC was on probation and other teams like Missouri and TCU have switched conferences and done very well for themselves.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Nov. 10, 2017 2:47 p.m.

    That was a flagrant foul. Stephon Marbury should apologize.

  • taylormade1 Springville, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 2:35 p.m.

    Lost all respect for the Jazz when they would not even give Jimmer a sniff when he was the National College player of the year as well as for sure the best College player to play in the state of Utah ...The Jazz had absolutely nothing to lose by giving him a shot . Not like they are even a slight contender or ever will be... and i can guarantee you that he can shoot better than the majority of the players on the jazz team since he graduated and counting .... AND he would sell a TON of Tickets !

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Nov. 10, 2017 2:33 p.m.

    Uncle Rico

    "I've always said a win is a win."

    Don't kid yourself.

    Utah fans have never hesitated to beat their chests about every "dominating" win the Utes have had, especially versus BYU.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Nov. 10, 2017 2:30 p.m.

    ekute

    "How long does the streak have to last and by how many points do we need to win to shame you?"

    Call us when you've won 19 of 21 (most by double digits), plus a National Championship, a Heisman Trophy, 24 straight games, 10 straight conference championships, multiple Davey O'Brien and Sammy Baugh awards, and had multiple Top 3 Heisman Trophy finalists,

    and we'll discuss whether we're shamed or not.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 2:13 p.m.

    These guys would readily increase their donations to byu if they could get the same Whittingham to come and rebuild their program.

    How long does the streak have to last and by how many points do we need to win to shame you?

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    Nov. 10, 2017 1:36 p.m.

    timid sparrow - San Diego, CA

    "I'm going to vote yes for the next state income tax increase, just so you can pay more money towards Kyle Whittingham's salary."

    A completely meaningless threat, since you're not even a Utah resident.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Nov. 10, 2017 1:34 p.m.

    Northern Lights. Where did uncle rico call the 1984 6-5-1 Utes one of the worst teams in Ute history? He claimed they were a lousy team and it's true--they weren't very good that year.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 1:34 p.m.

    I've always said a win is a win. I was just saying how ridiculous it is to look at margin of victory.
    Buy when you haven't won head to head in 8 years I guess only losing by 6 is a win.

  • Lone*Star Austin, TX
    Nov. 10, 2017 1:30 p.m.

    motorbike

    "So you've seen the churches financials?"

    Nobody, aside from auditors, needs to see the church's financials, to know that no tithing funds are spent on BYU athletics.

    That's been confirmed by many different BYU AD's for decades and AD's would absolutely know the source of athletic funds since one of their primary responsibilities is raising those funds and deciding how to use them.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 12:58 p.m.

    northern_lights

    "Since not a penny of tithing funds is used to support BYU athletics, there’s NOTHING for you to get back."
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    So you've seen the churches financials? That'd be rather strange since they don't publically share them.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Nov. 10, 2017 12:57 p.m.

    @northern_lights

    I'm going to vote yes for the next state income tax increase, just so you can pay more money towards Kyle Whittingham's salary.

  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 12:46 p.m.

    motorbike

    Since not a penny of tithing funds is used to support BYU athletics, there’s NOTHING for you to get back.

    Of course, you already knew that.

    Unlike my taxes that are used to pay for Utah athletics.

  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 12:37 p.m.

    Uncle Rico

    Are you seriously trying claim that 1984 Utah (6-5-1) was one of the worst teams in Utah history,

    even worse than 2017 BYU (2-8)

    or 2008 New Mexico (4-8)?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 12:32 p.m.

    Lifelong Republican

    "How can I get my tax money back for paying a coach $3,700,000 A YEAR to never achieve much?"
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    Good question which also makes me wonder how I can get my tithing dollars back for that national cellar dweller of a team down South.

  • Gandalph Sandy, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 12:22 p.m.

    Uncle Rico

    LOL at your distorted view of the world:

    1984 BYU beat Utah (6-5-1, 4-3-1) 24-14

    2008 Utah beat UNM (4-8, 2-6) 13-10

  • everything is awesome Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 11:50 a.m.

    Uncle Rico

    "You're[sic] best team (1984) beat a very horrible Utah team by a measly 10 points"

    Your best team (2008) beat a very horrible New Mexico team (4-8) by a measly THREE points!

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 11:38 a.m.

    Juice Box

    Jealous much!

    Jimmer is getting paid millions in a professional basketball league playing against other professional basketball players.

    Jimmer is becoming a household name in the most populated country on the planet.

    And let's not forget, Jimmer is scoring just like he did throughout his collegiate career.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 11:23 a.m.

    Re: deductive reasoning - Arlington, VA

    "beating one of the worst teams in BYU history by a measly 6 points."

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    You're best team (1984) beat a very horrible Utah team by a measly 10 points - and it was within 3 points in the 4th quarter (closer than the 2017 game was). Utah's best player was injured in the first quarter - so according to cougar logic Utah really won.

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    Nov. 10, 2017 11:09 a.m.

    Uteofferouus - Salt Lake City, UT

    You should get a little understanding. Coaches are paid what the market determines. There are relatively few great coaches. If they prove not to be worthy of their salary, they are fired. If the coach fields winning teams and puts fans in the stands, then he is worth the money. Ticket prices are based on what people are willing to pay. A long stream of sold out Utah home games would indicate that the price of tickets are about right.

    But, you should feel free to start fund raising for some charity, like perhaps "Game tickets for low-income Ute fans." Work to raise money for tickets that you could then give away to those less fortunate. Or are you really saying that someone ELSE (coaches) should sacrifice for cheap tickets.

    Or, you could start a movement to mandate that Ute coaches only be paid "2 - 3 hundred grand." See how well that works out.

    Whittingham has done a lot of good for Ute football. It is unlikely that a better coach can be found to coach the Utes. He should not be on anyone's "hot seat" and should coach at Utah as long as he wants.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 11:00 a.m.

    How can I get my tax money back for paying a coach $3,700,000 A YEAR to never achieve much?

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Nov. 10, 2017 10:53 a.m.

    It so happens that Wen-Ting Tseng IS my favorite Sharks player. And why aren't we talking about him more since we discuss the Sharks so much? Is Tseng somehow unimportant to the people of Utah who follow everything the Sharks do? Are only players who are of certain religions noteworthy? If Tseng were to convert, would he suddenly be deemed newsworthy? I'm sure there are other Shanghai Sharks fans who live in Utah or read the Deseret News who would love to hear of his exploits and how he is living the dream in Shanghai and raking in the bucks. I say--set aside homerism and report on ALL of the Sharks. We love them and want to know more about them! Give Tseng a chance!

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 10:54 a.m.

    Let's not be too hasty here, DNews.

    He is playing against inferior competition compared to the NBA.

  • CougarDuck Cottage Grove, OR
    Nov. 10, 2017 10:40 a.m.

    The D News knows who reads this sports info. That is why there are stories about Jimmer. He was the nice kid that made good. Maybe not in the NBA but in life. Yeah, he plays in China but for BYU fans everywhere it's nice to know how he is doing. I know it has been said many times but if your not into Jimmer, don't read the article, don't comment on it, just let us Cougars enjoy his game. I read all the articles about Kuzma and root for him to make it big. I hope we get more articles about him. I hope Jimmer gets another shot at the NBA but I doubt it. Either way he is living his dream of playing the game he loves. Let us enjoy it too.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Nov. 10, 2017 10:21 a.m.

    ekute

    "Take the high road and congratulate them on their crowning achievement; a 6 point loss to the underachieving Whittingham."

    You should be so proud of utah-slc's crowning achievement, beating one of the worst teams in BYU history by a measly 6 points.

  • Fan Base Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 10:01 a.m.

    It's not Kyle's fault. It's the switch to Pepsi.

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 9:51 a.m.

    at long last. . .

    "Oh the anticipation! Another year of Jimmer articles in the DN."

    Oh the jealous whining!

    Nobody forces you to read and comment on every Jimmer article.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 9:49 a.m.

    SoonerUte,
    Take the high road and congratulate them on their crowning achievement; a 6 point loss to the underachieving Whittingham.

  • front ranger Loveland, CO
    Nov. 10, 2017 9:49 a.m.

    SoonerUte

    re: B C - "After 7 seasons in the PAC 12, Utah-SLC is the only team in the PAC 12 South that hasn't played in the CCG and, if not for the early season auto wins Hill schedules every year, the Utes wouldn't even qualify for a bowl."

    Nice try, but you failed with your non-rebuttal rebuttal.

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 9:38 a.m.

    Who cares about the NBA? Jimmer, stay in China. You have a billion fans there, only a few millions here in the US! Your'e a great ambassador and missionary.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 9:34 a.m.

    "if not for the early season auto wins Hill schedules every year..."
    LSU and Mississippi State earned bowl eligibility against the same "auto win".
    At least Whittingham was victorious in his "auto wins". Some programs failed at that.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Nov. 10, 2017 9:14 a.m.

    Oh the anticipation! Another year of Jimmer articles in the DN. This coupled with the Mika articles should practically guarantee an award for sports writing for non-NBA professional basketball.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Nov. 10, 2017 9:06 a.m.

    Where do I sign up Jimmer's gig?

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 8:52 a.m.

    Esquire

    "Jimmer is where he belongs. A league where no one plays defense, including him."

    Given a chance with teammates that are willing to share the rock when Jimmer is in shooting position, Jimmer can light up the scoreboard on anybody.

    Some Utah fans will obviously never forgive Jimmer for single-handedly destroying their Utes in his last visit to the Huntsman.

  • Uteofferouus Salt Lake City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 8:38 a.m.

    I like Kyle Whittingham but a salary of $3.7 million a year is beyond obscene whether the team wins or not!.

    There is scarcely a reasonable justification for any college or professional coach (or player) to be paid that kind of money. All these high salaries do is push up ticket prices, shoe prices, and the prices of other goods (food at games) higher and it makes it so only the wealthy can attend the games without sacrificing other necessities. Moreover, it just contributes to a huge inequity in society where a few people own all the good things - including the good properties and such.

    I can see paying a good coach 2-3 hundred grand a year, that would be much more in line with all the hard working people who earn 40-70 grand a year who work their butts off to support a family. Maybe if the coaches salaries were in this range a father could afford to take his kids to a football game and create some family unity and traditions. But oh no, we must glorify these men who coach these teams (even when they lose a lot) for who knows what reasons?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 8:37 a.m.

    Jimmer is where he belongs. A league where no one plays defense, including him.

  • B C Park City, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 8:18 a.m.

    Kyle is definitely underachieving.

    After 7 seasons in the PAC 12, Utah-SLC is the only team in the PAC 12 South that hasn't played in the CCG and, if not for the early season auto wins Hill schedules every year, the Utes wouldn't even qualify for a bowl.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Nov. 10, 2017 8:13 a.m.

    Jimmer is living the dream getting paid millions to play a game he loves and loved by millions of adoring fans.