Utes headed to Heart of Dallas Bowl to face West Virginia

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  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Dec. 7, 2017 8:53 a.m.

    Uteology

    What I'm saying is if Utah had played 12 (58%) bowl opponents who were good enough to be ranked in the Final Top 25,

    that is, they would have needed a decisive win over Utah in their bowl game to finish the season ranked,

    Utah's bowl record would now be 10-10, instead of 16-4.

    Bottom line:

    Utah's 16-4 bowl record, and consequentially, most of Utah's final Top 25 rankings, are largely the product of a weak bowl schedule.

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    Final Top 25 Ranked Bowl Opponents

    BYU - 20 (58%) , 18 (51%) in both polls
    Okla St 14-14
    Navy ur-17
    Ind 19-16
    SMU 20-20
    Ohio St 12-12
    Ohio St 14-11
    UCLA 14-14
    Penn St 15-14
    Tex A&M 15-13
    Iowa 10-10
    Kan 22-23
    Ohio St 11-10
    Kan St 17-17
    Tulane 7-7
    Marshall 10-10
    Louisville 17-16
    Cal 25-25
    Wash 25-ur
    Memphis 25-25
    Utah 17-16

    Utah - 6 (30%) , 4 (20%) in both polls
    WSU 15-17
    USC ur-25
    Ariz 20-20
    Pitt 25-ur
    Ala 6-6
    BSU 9-7

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 7, 2017 1:10 a.m.

    @deductive reasoning - Arlington, VA

    What I am saying is if BYU (14–20–1 41%) was capable of beating a bowl opponent, teams like #23 Louisville, #31 Memphis, #34 Washington, #23 Utah would not be ranked in the final poll.

    Enjoy Couch Bowl this postseason!

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    Dec. 6, 2017 9:03 p.m.

    Former Coach...

    Penn St scored on 3 straight possessions to win by 14 going away.

    Utah had to kick a late FG to win by 2

  • Former Coach ,
    Dec. 6, 2017 12:33 p.m.

    @Elkhorn,

    And your point. Utah did not trail against San Jose State. With 4 minutes to play Utah was up 24. With 7 minutes to play Indiana was up on Penn St. Why does San Jose State have anything to do with this?

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    Dec. 6, 2017 12:20 p.m.

    Former coach...

    Penn St beat Indiana by 14.

    Utah only beat San Jose St by 17.

  • Former Coach ,
    Dec. 6, 2017 11:56 a.m.

    @Road Runner,

    Good point, I forgot about common sense. However shouldn't common sense have applied this year. Remember Darnold was now an experienced QB. Utah lost more than USC. I do see you are using the point difference from each game to validate common sense. Bottom line, common sense does not play. Are you referring to the Indiana team that lead Penn State with 7 minutes to go in the fourth quarter? Sounds to me like you might be suggesting that the Big 10 was not that good if Indiana was bad enough to have the lead in the 4th quarter of the Big 10 champion. The USC Penn State was a great game.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 11:38 a.m.

    Road Runner,

    You seem a little new to the world. You still do not know that USC would have beaten Utah if they had played later in the year. Nobody knows. Why? Because it didn't happen. The game was played when it was played, and wasn't played when it wasn't played. Does that make sense.

    Also, Utah plays USC tough every year. They are 2-2 against USC the last 4 years. It is not inconceivable to think that a team that beat USC would have beat them if they played a few weeks later.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 11:29 a.m.

    "but, no BYU fan has ever claimed that BYU beat a Pittsburgh team that finished season ranked."

    You're right. They just say something like, "byu beat #3 Pitt in 1984". They don't specify that Pitt wasn't ranked at the end of the year. So, technically you're right in saying that they don't specify that Pitt was actually a 3 win team that year.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 11:10 a.m.

    @Lonestar: "The USC team that beat all four teams that you lost to, would have destroyed U if you'd played them in a bowl."

    @Former coach...: "And you know this how? "

    Common sense!

    USC didn't lose a single game following Utah's upset in RES in late September.

    Utah lost 4 of their next 8, including 2 to teams that finished with losing, 5-7 and 4-8, records.

    Cal - Utah 23-28; USC 45-24 (+26 point differential)
    Wash - Utah 24-31; USC 26-13 (+20)
    Ore - Utah 28-30; USC 45-20 (+27)
    Col - Utah 22-27; USC 21-17 (+9)

    And, let's not forget bowl games:

    While Utah was struggling to beat the 9th place team in the Big Ten, Indiana(6-7), by 2 points, 26-24, in the Chicken Salad Bowl

    - a team that hadn't won a bowl game in 30 years, and a team Penn State had beaten 45-14,

    USC was beating Big Ten Division Champion, #5 Penn State, in the Rose Bowl.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 6, 2017 10:49 a.m.

    Northern Lights

    LOL at your frantic and emotional response.

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    Not really; just responding. That canned phrase grows old and tiresome. All of these issues are so trivial; both programs have more to worry about then the others SOS or bowl opponents rankings; but that's what these boards have deteriorated too. Even to the point of attacked Utah for having red pepsi machines on campus. Most Utah fans could care less about BYU's SOS; and hopefully most BYU's fans could care less about bowl opponents ranking. With that said; I'm out. Peace, have a good one.

  • everything is awesome Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 10:40 a.m.

    @Lonestar: "When did a BYU fan ever claim that BYU beat a #3-ranked Pitt team?"

    @KH: "Lonestar, I've heard over and over and over again from BYU fans."

    BYU fans may have mentioned that Pittsburgh was ranked #3 when BYU beat the Panthers on the road in the first nationally televised college football game in ESPN history,

    but, no BYU fan has ever claimed that BYU beat a Pittsburgh team that finished season ranked.

  • Former Coach ,
    Dec. 6, 2017 10:21 a.m.

    @Lonestar,

    "The USC team that beat all four teams that you lost to, would have destroyed U if you'd played them in a bowl." And you know this how? Why does there have to be a but involved in this. Utah won, bottom line. Utah won. Utah played them tough this year. In fact, I can play this game also, had Utah elected to kick the extra point and play for over time they would have won this year. I don't know how, but they would have.

  • Former Coach ,
    Dec. 6, 2017 10:04 a.m.

    This is real simple people. Uteology even gave you a BYU game as an example. Memphis was not ranked prior to the game with BYU. Winning that game coupled with the losses of other teams jumped Memphis into the top 25. It happened last year. San Diego St was not ranked going into the Vegas Bowl. Winning that game put them in the top 25. It is really simple to understand. I am like the others who are wondering why this is even a topic of discussion. BYU fans have plenty of other things to worry about right now.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 10:02 a.m.

    "When did a BYU fan ever claim that BYU beat a #3-ranked Pitt team?"

    Lonestar, I've heard over and over and over again from byu fans.

    "If it makes you feel better, yes, Utah did beat a USC that finished #3 in final poll,"

    Thank you. That did make me feel better. It's nice to know that a byu fan can acknowledge a big accomplishment from their rival.

    "The USC team that beat all four teams that you lost to, would have destroyed U if you'd played them in a bowl."

    That is your opinion. You don't know if that would have happened and neither do I. What I do know is that Utah beat them when they were scheduled to play the Utah-USC game.

  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 10:02 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Dead serious Pal. I have never attacked BYU's SOS; they do a fine job of scheduling for an independent. Also, not whining; just stating a fact which seems to have upset you. Oh well, maybe you can attack the color of Utah's on campus pepsi machines. "

    LOL at your frantic and emotional response.

    I'm not upset at anything, in fact, I couldn't care less whether you personally have attacked BYU's schedule.

    I'm simply noting the hypocrisy of Utah fans whining about BYU's regular season SOS, while getting upset with BYU fans for questioning Utah's bowl SOS.

    btw, Utah only allowing red Pepsi machines on campus is just as silly as Bronco referring to the "red zone" as the "blue zone".

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 9:53 a.m.

    KH

    "Sportfan, using your logic, I'd like you to now acknowledge that BYU did not beat #3 Pitt back in 1984, since Pitt finished the year with only 3 wins and unranked."

    When did a BYU fan ever claim that BYU beat a #3-ranked Pitt team?

    Pre-season rankings are meaningless.

    BYU, did, however, beat #24 Air Force, on the road, in 1984.

    If it makes you feel better, yes, Utah did beat a USC that finished #3 in final poll, but, let's not forget that USC was 1-3 at the time, was starting a Freshman QB in his very first collegiate start, and the Trojans had just been DESTROYED by Alabama.

    The USC team that Utah beat was only a shadow of the team that finished the season ranked #3.

    The USC team that beat all four teams that you lost to, would have destroyed U if you'd played them in a bowl.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 6, 2017 9:15 a.m.

    northern_lights - Layton, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 8:30 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "So now BYU fans have been reduced to questioning Utah's bowl opponents? Seriously?"

    Utah fans constantly reduce themselves to attacking BYU's regular season SOS, but now you're whining about BYU fans questioning Utah's bowl SOS? Seriously?
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    Dead serious Pal. I have never attacked BYU's SOS; they do a fine job of scheduling for an independent. Also, not whining; just stating a fact which seems to have upset you. Oh well, maybe you can attack the color of Utah's on campus pepsi machines. That's one of my favs.

  • KH Holladay, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 9:01 a.m.

    "The ONLY rankings that "count" are FINAL rankings.

    If a team isn't ranked in the final rankings, then you didn't play a ranked team."

    Sportfan, using your logic, I'd like you to now acknowledge that byu did not beat #3 Pitt back in 1984, since Pitt finished the year with only 3 wins and unranked.

    ...and please acknowledge that Utah beat #3 USC last year, since USC finished the year ranked #3.

    Thank you!

  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 8:30 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "So now BYU fans have been reduced to questioning Utah's bowl opponents? Seriously?"

    Utah fans constantly reduce themselves to attacking BYU's regular season SOS, but now you're whining about BYU fans questioning Utah's bowl SOS? Seriously?

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Dec. 6, 2017 8:16 a.m.

    Uteology

    So what you're really saying is,

    if the Utes had played a tougher bowl schedule, that is,

    more teams that were good enough to FINISH in the Final Top 25 of both major polls,

    the Utes would have lost more than twice as many bowl games.

    In addition to the four bowls the Utes did lose, Utah would have also lost to:

    1994 Arizona
    2004 Pittsburgh (there goes Utah's undefeated. Top 5, Fiesta Bowl winning season)
    2011 Georgia Tech
    2014 Colorado St
    2015 BYU

    Instead of being 16-4 in bowls, the Utes would now be 11-9,

    with losses in 4 of their last 5 bowl games.

    Thanks for clearing that up.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 6, 2017 8:02 a.m.

    phantomblade - Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2017 12:30 a.m.

    Uteology

    So what you’re desperately trying to argue is that if Utah had LOST more bowl games, the Utes would have played more ranked bowl opponents.

    Of course, that means, Utah would have had fewer Top 25 finishes, than the pathetically few they currently have,
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    So now BYU fans have been reduced to questioning Utah's bowl opponents? Seriously? Uteology is stating a pretty simple concept. He's simply pointing out that when you beat a team in the final game of the season (bowl game); it can, and has, knocked teams out of the top 25 and/or lowered their rankings. I hope that helps. Who's calling who desperate? Good Grief! The irony of it all is this garbage debate is coming from a program that's an absolute dumpster fire.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2017 12:30 a.m.

    Uteology

    So what you’re desperately trying to argue is that if Utah had LOST more bowl games, the Utes would have played more ranked bowl opponents.

    Of course, that means, Utah would have had fewer Top 25 finishes, than the pathetically few they currently have,

    and, of course,

    the Utes would have a worse bowl record.

    Bottom line:

    BYU has played a much tougher bowl schedule than Utah,

    in fact,

    it’s not even close.

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 10:08 p.m.

    I see that Uteology is still making up his own numbers.

    Here’s a clue:

    The ONLY rankings that “count” are FINAL rankings.

    Only a desperate Ute would try to count rankings “at the time”.

    If a team isn’t ranked in the final rankings, then you didn’t play a ranked team.

    20 of BYU’s bowl opponents FINISHED the season ranked.

    Only 6 of Utah’s bowl opponents FINISHED the season ranked, 2 of those at #25 in ONE poll.

  • 7 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 5:21 p.m.

    Uteology has proven my point, with data, with facts, I rest my case.

    It’s a tuff concept if one attempts to correlate ‘moral victory’ with ‘margin of defeat’.

    Keep it simple and objective.

    Next up, trivia time...

    What is the worst decision made by the cougs in the 21st century?

    a) Independence
    b) AD recommending independence
    c) Not hiring Ty Detmer as the AD

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2017 2:19 p.m.

    One more example from 2014 bowl opponents:

    #31 Colorado State 10 Utah 45 ... Colorado finished unranked at #38 thanks to Utah.

    #29 Memphis 55 BYU 48 ... Memphis finished ranked at #25 thanks to BYU.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2017 2:06 p.m.

    Truth Machine - Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 7:43 p.m.
    It’s hilarious how embarrassed Utah fans are with their weak bowl SOS that they’re inventing different rules for beating a ranked team in a bowl than they use for the regular season.

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    Hilarious is BYU "fans" obsession with moral victories as compared to actual victories.

    Bottom line, Utah played 5 ranked bowl teams and went 4-1 and BYU played 6 ranked bowl teams and went 2-4.

    Had Utah went 1-4, we too would be celebrating moral victories of losing to final ranked bowl teams.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2017 1:33 p.m.

    CG - Provo, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 6:49 a.m.
    Uteology

    Making your own stats again?

    LOL!

    The Utes haven’t even come close to beating 4 of 5 opponents that finished ranked in both polls.

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    Since 1994:

    * Utah has "played" 5 top 25 teams in bowls: Utah 4-1 (80%)

    1994: #15 Arizona 13 Utah 16 W
    2004: #19 Pitt 7 Utah 35 W
    2005: #24 Georgia Tech 10 Utah 38 W
    2008: #4 Alabama 17 Utah 31 W
    2009: #10 Boise 26 Utah 3 L

    * BYU has "played" 6 top 25 teams in bowl: BYU 2-4 (33%)

    1996: #14 Kansas State 15 BYU 19 W
    1998: #10 Tulane 41 BYU 27 L
    1999: #11 Marshall 21 BYU 3 L
    2001: #23 Louisville BYU 10 L
    2004: #16 Oregon State 20 BYU 44 W
    2015: #20 Utah 35 BYU 28 L

    Had Utah gone 0-5, all opponents would have remained ranked.

    I don't know about you but I prefer Utah go 4-1 vs top 25 teams in bowl games than going 2-4.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 5, 2017 1:03 p.m.

    SportsFan - Provo, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 9:53 a.m.
    Uteology

    Don't know where you're getting your made up numbers from, but

    17 of Utah's 21 bowl opponents (81%) have finished the season unranked (15) or ranked (2), just barely (at #25), in only one poll.

    That's a weak bowl SOS by anyone's definition.

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    What part of "ranked bowl opponents" is so confusing?

    For example:

    2005 #24 7-5 Georgia Tech was a "ranked" bowl opponent ... finished un-ranked because 7-5 Utah beat them.

    2014 9-3 Memphis was a "unranked" bowl opponent vs BYU... finished ranked after beating 8-5 BYU.

    2013 8-4 Washington was "unranked" bowl opponent vs BYU ... finished ranked after beating 8-5 BYU.

  • Stringer Bell Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 11:51 a.m.

    Ute busters: “Looks like the Utes lobbied their way into another bowl loss."

    Another? Utah’s lost one bowl game this century; out of 13 games. Oh, and your team has lost six. Nice try.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Dec. 5, 2017 11:42 a.m.

    Funny stuff from a few Y fans. Predictions of low attendance and trash talk the teams Utah plays. Well fortunately this year, you won’t have to make excuses about BYU attendance or the opponent.

    BYU played a string of 5 bowl games against the PAC 10 from 2005 to 2009 and won 3 of those games. Utah went 5-0 during that span with two BCS wins. Since then BYU has bowl wins over UTEP, Tulsa, San Diego St, and Wyoming and bowl losses to UW, Memphis, and Utah.

    Really no room for Y fans to talk about quality wins from either 2005 to now or 2010 to now. I’ll just leave it at that.

  • Stringer Bell Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 11:31 a.m.

    Road Runner: "BYU has played as many ranked bowl opponents as Utah has played bowls."

    You mean, BYU-P has lost to as many bowl opponents.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 7:40 a.m.

    @Killarney.........."As usual... frantic and emotional utah-slc supporters out in mass obsessing about BYU,
    with absolutely nothing to say about their bowl opponent."

    Says the guy with a bunch of his cougie friends posting on an article about Utah's bowl game. LOL I think this thread shows exactly how obsessed you and your fellow cougie fans are with big brother Utah! Thanks for supporting the Utes!

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    Dec. 4, 2017 10:41 p.m.

    Seriously have to give credit to the Utes - they play Bowl games better than anyone.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 7:43 p.m.

    It’s hilarious how embarrassed Utah fans are with their weak bowl SOS that they’re inventing different rules for beating a ranked team in a bowl than they use for the regular season.

  • 7 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 5:55 p.m.

    @ CG - Provo, UT

    Bottom Line:

    Utah wins their bowl games.

    Silver Lining:

    We all anticipate another excellent off season that will be backed up with the usual hype. And your team shouldn’t lose another game until September, 2018. So I’m sure your strength of bowl schedule will remain in tact.

    Oh, if you could send some of the national following fans to the game, the ones from the Dallas area, be sure to dress them up in crimson, that would be greatly appreciated.

  • CG Provo, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 5:03 p.m.

    motorbike

    Utah fans are only deluding themselves.

    Very few of Utah’s Bowl opponents would have been ranked

    even with a win over Utah,

    just like very few Utah teams have been ranked

    even with a bowl win.

    Two mediocre teams beating up on each other in a bowl doesn’t mean the winner will be ranked.

    Bottom line:

    81% of Utah’s bowl opponents, 17 of 21, have been unranked or barely ranked, #25, in one poll.

    Despite your frantic spin, Utah has played an extremely weak bowl SOS.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 3:41 p.m.

    I wonder how many of the BYU fans who are mocking the Utes' bowl invite have ever attended a bowl game? Will I be attending the bowl in Dallas, yes. I've taken my family to several Utah bowl games in the past and we've had a wonderful time.

    After the season BYU just concluded with losses to some of the worst teams in the country, (East Carolina, UMass) I'm surprised by the chest pounding regarding BYU of the past.

    How about getting a win against the Utes as a place to start.

  • 7 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 3:25 p.m.

    So tell me, when should Utah apologize for winning their bowl games? No excuses.

    The arguments that the poor cougars are making... just weak sauce.

    The cougs have had their fair share of bowl cupcakes. Remember when they lost back to back against the ‘green teams’ - Tulane and Marshall? But the good news is those games were east of the Mississippi and help them with the independence idea. And I don’t even have to look this stuff up.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 2:42 p.m.

    Uteanymous

    "Your frantic spin belies the fact that most of BYU’s pre-bowl ranked teams were also ranked post bowl."
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    I believe that was the point the other poster was making...that BYU's list of bowl opponents were more likely to finish ranked than Utah's opponents. This because Utah typically wins their bowl games (dropping their opponent's ranking) while BYU typically loses (bolstering their opponent's ranking).

  • DSattheU Ogden, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 2:32 p.m.

    I think a certain fan base has a case of Bowl-envy. And...

    You would think losing to your rival every year for a while and absolute train wreck of a season would cause them to lay low. Nope, those who scoffed at SOS when the U joined the PAC suddenly referenced SOS early this year to explain losses. Now they attack the U's bowl SOS? Hilarious!

  • northern_lights Layton, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 2:05 p.m.

    Former Coach -

    You're correct, teams have very little control over their bowl opponent, but they do have enormous control over the quality of their opponent by virtue of how well they themselves do in the regular season.

  • Former Coach ,
    Dec. 4, 2017 1:40 p.m.

    @Rockwell,

    I simply pointed out that you have no control over your bowl opponent. I never came close to saying Utah deserved a better opponent. I'm thrilled with the bowl they have considering the season. Perhaps you should read my post again.

  • MRM Layton, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 1:01 p.m.

    It will be a slight upgrade from the annual pillow fight in the Rockies.

    Though not nearly as good as the Mountaineer team BYU played last season, at least West Virginia has a winning record.

    I wonder how many Utah fans will be willing to shell out a thousand bucks to attend a bowl game the day after Christmas for a 6-6 team.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 4, 2017 12:40 p.m.

    Former coach

    I’m saying that if you thought that a 6-6 Utah team was going to be invited to play a Top 25 team in a bowl, you’re only deluding yourself.

    Bottom line:

    A weak 6-6 team is playing another weak 7-5 team. Most fans wouldn’t even care about such a game during the regular season.

    Before the proliferation of the bowls that made playing in a lower tier bowl practically meaningless, a 6-6 team wouldn’t have even been invited to a bowl.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 12:30 p.m.

    Let's see...Heart of Dallas Bowl or hopelessly sit on the couch and agonize over the downfall of and bleak outlook for my program.

    Yeah! Heart of Dallas Bowl on ESPN as the bowling season revs up for New Year's Day and the CFP.

    Sorry trolls...but the Utes have already been projected to win on the ESPN web site.

    Go Utes!

  • And so it begins... Sandy, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 12:26 p.m.

    7 up

    Your whiny excuse for why Utah has played so few ranked bowl teams is hilarious.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 4, 2017 12:08 p.m.

    7 up

    Your frantic spin belies the fact that most of BYU’s pre-bowl ranked teams were also ranked post bowl.

    It also ignores the fact that BYU destroyed then #16 Oregon St so badly that it dropped the Beavers out of the final polls, just barely, but BYU fans aren’t so desperate to add another ranked bowl opponent to their list, that they have to frantically count unranked opponents.

  • Former Coach ,
    Dec. 4, 2017 12:07 p.m.

    @Rockwell,

    So you are saying everyone who was bowl eligible knew before yesterday who they were playing? I don't think so. Most school have a good idea, but nothing for sure until after the official selection. While finishing ranked will almost certainly get you a ranked opponent in the bowl game, that is not a for sure thing either. Utah got Indiana last year, Boise State has Oregon, Memphis has Iowa State, NC State has Arizona State, Northwestern has Kentucky this year.

  • Tighty-Whities Draper, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 12:01 p.m.

    I'm gonna root for my Utes, even though I hate the fact that all of the Whittingham fanatics will rave about his 'best bowl coach' status. Beating a 7-5 West Virginia team does nothing to make him worthy of a P5 coaching job. He has proven nothing, and we need to move on to a real P5 coach.

    For all of you who will point to the win against Alabama so many years ago (with Urban's players), need I remind you that coaching is all about "what have you done for me lately?" Lately, we have been mediocre, have a LOSING record in the PAC12 since joining and have never made a championship game. Those are indisputable facts.

    GOUTES!

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Dec. 4, 2017 11:56 a.m.

    Sunny

    Which bowl invited BYU?

    The same bowl that’s invited utah-slc for 102 of their 123 seasons, including 2 of their last 6 seasons.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 11:48 a.m.

    Juice Box - Eureka, UT "Yay! Heart of Dallas Bowl!
    What an accomplishment! I'm so glad we can hang our hats on this."

    Why would you make fun of the Heart of Dallas Bowl? It is one of the 14 ESPN-controlled bowl games that BYU would have been in line for, had they not decided to tank the season. The Heart of Dallas Bowl could very well have been the destination for an 11 win Cougar team.

    Given the awful season and your television contract coming up for renewal, Cougar fans shouldn't be dissing the ESPN product line.

  • Ron Swanson Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 11:42 a.m.

    I'm still stunned that Alabama is in the playoff...a one loss team that didn't win its conference or division, that played one less game than conference champions. Sheesh. They should have sent UCF rather than 'Bama!

    Now if the PAC can get its act together, what a bad year...

  • Frank Walters Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 11:39 a.m.

    It'd be nice if more than 2k fans decide to go to Dallas, the U travels incredibly poorly and a mediocre year will only make it worse. I'm still debating if the game will be good enough to warrant a trip down.

    Go Utes!

  • 7 in a row! Ogden, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 11:37 a.m.

    I’ll state the obvious here.

    When you win your bowl game the losing team’s ranking takes a hit. Typically, Utah wins their bowl game. See winning record.

    When you lose your bowl game the winning team’s ranking improves. And the Cougars have been very generous in this regard. See losing record.

    How come Utah has more bowl wins than the Cougars? The cougars have played in so many since the early 70’s.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 11:24 a.m.

    To all BYU fans posting here...

    BYU is the most awesome football team ever! They play the toughest schedules year in and year out and always beat everyone! Win every conference championship even now they are independent! Play the toughest bowl schedule and win them all even this year when they won their bowl game without being invited! Have that nation championship in 1984* all those individual awards for their most awesome players over the seventies and eighties. They are clearly the most awesome team! Utah just pales in comparison as well as Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Notre Dame and pretty much every other team around. Talk about a fan base? It is worldwide 15 million plus strong. That stadium... none better and it is always filled to the hilt. The best athletes around bar none. Players going to the NFL in droves. The only thing that ever has held them back is those bigots. Shame on them!

    You guys are just so right. Is it ok if I just keep supporting Utah and enjoy their bowl invite even though you have all helped me understand they will never win? Can I also enjoy being in the Pac-10.2 and support a bottom feeder program? Cool! Thanks for your help.

  • SUNNY ALL DAY St George, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 11:11 a.m.

    @10:41
    In composing your empty barrel/frantic and emotional/obsession filled response...
    You forgot to mention...
    Which Bowl selected byu-p?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 4, 2017 11:02 a.m.

    @Road Runner: "BYU has played as many ranked bowl opponents as Utah has played bowls."

    @Jeremy234: "Do you guys just make stuff up?"

    Unlike desperate Utah fans, BYU fans don't need to make anything up.

    It's an absolute, verifiable fact.

    BYU ranked bowl opponents: 20
    Utah bowls played in: 20

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Dec. 4, 2017 10:54 a.m.

    Former Coach

    "Who you play in bowl games is pretty much out of your control."

    Who you play in bowl games is determined by how you finish during the regular season.

    Win a WAC, MWC or PAC 12 championship and finish the regular season ranked in the Top 20, and your chances of playing a ranked team in a bowl are pretty good.

    Finish 3rd through 9th in your conference and unranked, and your chances of playing a ranked team in a bowl are pretty much nil.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 4, 2017 10:46 a.m.

    Big J

    CG's post was a direct response to Uteology's post

    @Uteology - "Utah is 4-1 (80%) vs ranked bowl teams: wins over AP #4 Bama, #24 GTech, #19 Pitt, #15 Arizona and loss to #10 Boise."

    @CG - "The Utes haven’t even come close to beating 4 of 5 opponents that finished ranked in both polls."

    As Sportsfan noted - "17 of Utah's 21 bowl opponents (81%) have finished the season unranked (15) or ranked (2), just barely (at #25), in only one poll."

    Regardless of how you spin it, Utah has played a weak bowl schedule.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Dec. 4, 2017 10:41 a.m.

    SUNNY ALL DAY

    As usual... frantic and emotional utah-slc supporters out in mass obsessing about BYU,

    with absolutely nothing to say about their bowl opponent.

  • Jeremy234 SLC, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 10:38 a.m.

    Road Runner "BYU has played as many ranked bowl opponents as Utah has played bowls."

    Do you guys just make stuff up?

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 10:37 a.m.

    Big J

    "Utah has not played many bowl opponents who have ended the season ranked. Last time I checked - a team has little control over who a bowl opponent is. You have to play who you get."

    Teams also don't have any control over whether teams scheduled during the regular season end up ranked or not, or even finish with a winning record.

    A team that was expected to finish 9-3 could easily finish 3-9.

    SOS is what it is and Utah, which has a pathetic record of winning conference championships during the last 60 years, usually ends up playing a weak bowl opponent because the Utes are always matched up with the 3rd through 9th bowl associated with their conference.

    Bottom line is Utah has played a weak list of bowl opponents and that's primarily Utah's fault.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 10:20 a.m.

    @Ufan - Salt Lake City, UT

    @CG - Provo, UT - post says nothing about bowl opponents. Read his post again. He does talk about a BYU season record.

    Utah has not played many bowl opponents who have ended the season ranked. Last time I checked - a team has little control over who a bowl opponent is. You have to play who you get. What I do know for sure is Utah wins most of its bowl games 10-1 in the last 11. I feel good about Utah winning this one as well.

  • SUNNY ALL DAY St George, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 10:12 a.m.

    As usual... frantic and emotional byu-p supporters out in mass with nothing to say...
    BTW,
    Which Bowl selected byu-p?

  • Former Coach ,
    Dec. 4, 2017 10:11 a.m.

    Who you play in bowl games is pretty much out of your control. Talking about ranked opponents and stuff is ridiculous. Especially coming from BYU fans who are quick to claim the 1984 National Championship with a win over a 6-5 Michigan team. Did BYU have any control over that opponent, No, they didn't. You go and play the other team that gets invited.

  • SportsFan Provo, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 9:53 a.m.

    Uteology

    Don't know where you're getting your made up numbers from, but

    17 of Utah's 21 bowl opponents (81%) have finished the season unranked (15) or ranked (2), just barely (at #25), in only one poll.

    That's a weak bowl SOS by anyone's definition.

  • Utah Alum Provo, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 9:38 a.m.

    Traveling to Dallas on Christmas Day to attend a bowl game for a 6-6 team?

    No thanks.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 9:33 a.m.

    Final Top 20 Bowl Opponents that Utah has beaten:

    #20 - Arizona
    #6 - Alabama

    Final Top 20 Bowl Opponents that Utah has lost to:

    #15 - Washington St
    #9 - Boise St

    Unranked Utah bowl opponents:

    15 of 21 (71%)

    Unranked or ranked in only one poll

    17 of 21 (81%)

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 9:26 a.m.

    @CG - "The Utes haven’t even come close to beating 4 of 5 opponents that finished ranked in both polls."

    @Big J - "See what living in the 'blue bubble' has done for you."

    We're talking BOWL opponents here - try to stay up with conversation.

    See what living under the crimson bubble has done for you.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Dec. 4, 2017 9:20 a.m.

    For BYU fans frantically pleading for BYU to rejoin the MWC,

    SDSU(10-2), beat CFP #13 Stanford,

    will be playing Army

    in the Armed Forces Bowl

    in TCU's home stadium.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 9:05 a.m.

    Looks like the Utes lobbied their way into another bowl loss.

    Instead of beating Wyoming in the Potato Bowl,

    they're going to get smashed in the Heart of Dallas.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 9:03 a.m.

    @CG - Provo, UT
    “The Utes haven’t even come close to beating 4 of 5 opponents that finished ranked in both polls.”

    See what living in the “blue bubble” has done for you. Utah twice has beaten four final ranked opponents both in 1994 and 2008. They have also beaten two final ranked opponents in 2015 & 2016. BYU has only beaten two final ranked opponents twice in 1983 and 1996.

    Utah’s last win against an AP final ranked opponent was 2016 when they beat 3rd AP ranked USC. Below is a chart of final AP ranked teams Utah has beaten including the year:

    YearRankTeamRecord
    199220Hawaii11-2
    199411Oregon8-4
    199416Colorado State10-2
    199418BYU10-3
    199420Arizona8-4
    200425Pitt8-4
    200622TCU11-2
    20086Alabama12-2
    20087TCU11-2
    200818Oregon State9-4
    200825BYU10-3
    201311Stanford11-3
    201410UCLA10-3
    201420USC9-4
    201512Michigan10-3
    201519Oregon9-4
    20163USC10-3

    Utah’s best win against an AP final ranked opponent was 2016 when Utah beat 3rd ranked USC. Interestingly Utah also has top 10 wins against final AP 6th ranked Alabama and 7th AP ranked TCU both in 2008.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 8:38 a.m.

    West Virginia will obliterate Ute fans False Bravado.

    Go Mountaineers! .... Go John Denver!

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 8:22 a.m.

    Yay! Heart of Dallas Bowl!

    What an accomplishment! I'm so glad we can hang our hats on this.

  • countryham SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 8:13 a.m.

    Utes have little chance vs WVU--if Will Grier plays. If Grier is out, its a toss up.

    Go Mountaineers!

  • IJ Hyrum, Ut
    Dec. 4, 2017 7:37 a.m.

    Mr. Boris - Layton, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 6:29 p.m.
    "The fact is neither Utah or BYU will ever be in the college football playoffs the way the system is now. As overrated as the PAC 12 was this year I still think USC should have gone to the playoffs before Alabama or Ohio State.

    So bowl game or no bowl game. P5 or independent. None of it matters. There are still only about 8 teams that have a chance to get to the ESPN playoffs every year and the Utes or Cougars aren't one of them."

    Mr. Boris is so right. You haters from both side need to face facts. If you doubt ask UCF; undefeated season and no invite. the system is set so only a few can have the opportunity for a NC.

    Who's better is irrelevent. It's a game. If this is all you're life has for relevance then quite watching and go serve the poor, donate your time to a shelter, or give to your favorite charity, but quite all the hate. Be happy when your team win. Appreciate good comptition. Quite all the hate - life is too short.
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  • CG Provo, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 6:49 a.m.

    Uteology

    Making your own stats again?

    LOL!

    The Utes haven’t even come close to beating 4 of 5 opponents that finished ranked in both polls.

    You mock BYU’s 9-4 seasons versus “weak” SOS, make whiny excuses for Utah’s 5-7 bowl less seasons because of “tough” schedules, and beat your chests about a bowl record of beating a vast majority of mediocre bowl opponents.

    Classic Ute fan misleading spin.

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 9:27 p.m.

    @Mr. Boris - Layton, UT

    Your post had me laughing. BYU has not been the premier football program in the state of Utah for more than 15 years if even then. Think what you want if that makes you feel better.

    As for making the four-team playoff... that may never happen but Utah has a much better chance than BYU will ever have.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 9:22 p.m.

    Best of luck to the Utes.

    Stay healthy and bring home the win.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 9:08 p.m.

    It's so cute when the blue faithful make up things and then post it as truth.

    byu's winning percentage against ranked teams in bowl games is less than 40%. Utah's winning percentage against ranked teams stands at 80%.
    Why let the truth get in the way of a good story? 😂

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 3, 2017 8:12 p.m.

    Road Runner - Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 6:22 p.m.
    whoami

    Utah has played one of weakest bowl schedules - practically no teams ranked in the Top 20 in both polls.

    Most of Utah’s bowl opponents lost 5 or more games.

    BYU has played as many ranked bowl opponents as Utah has played bowls.

    ------------

    BYU the King of moral victories.

    Utah is 4-1 (80%) vs ranked bowl teams: wins over AP #4 Bama, #24 GTech, #19 Pitt, #15 Arizona and loss to #10 Boise.

    BYU is 4-11 (36%): wins over #16 Oregon State, #14 Kansas State, #20 Washington State, and #19 SMU

    Where do you want your participation trophy mailed?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 3, 2017 8:01 p.m.

    @Boris

    BYU is still the premiere football program in the state and always will be. Michigan St. beats Michigan every year but when you think of football in the state of Michigan you don't think of the Spartans. The Utes will always be 2nd in this state regardless of records, conference affiliation, etc. and that's just the way it is.

    ----

    Alternative facts.

    When people were asked your favorite team in the state, people said:

    1. Utah Football
    1. Utah Jazz
    3. BUT football
    4. RSL
    5. Utah basketball

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Dec. 3, 2017 7:57 p.m.

    Utah lucked into a really good bowl game, all things considered. The Utes get to play in the Cotton Bowl stadium against a traditionally good P5 team that performed fairly well this year. I agree that the date may not be optimal for most fans in terms of travel but overall Utah scored a much better game than most of us guessed would be the case. The opponent, the venue and even the later December date all provide quite a bit of cachet for the Utes.

    I wish the Utes the best (sincerely) and hope they win (it makes us look better if they do) but, unfortunately, I think that West Virginia takes this one.

    [I just hope that we win enough games next year so that we can return to the bowl scene. I think we will but I also thought that we would have 10 wins this year.]

  • Wow, that was awful Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 7:47 p.m.

    Ute fans, why are your comments slanted towards BYU?
    You got a great opponent in a good locale.

    Why compare?
    Shows you are still the lil' bro...

    We will know you aren't when you stop taking shots at the Cougars...

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Dec. 3, 2017 7:32 p.m.

    @Mr. Boris

    "BYU is still the premiere football program in the state and always will be...the Utes will always be 2nd in this state regardless of records, conference affiliation, etc. and that's just the way it is."

    Haha, that was an awesome rant! Feel better now?

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 7:24 p.m.

    Utah is going to a bowl. Utah State is going to a bowl. Bronco Mendenhall and his Virginia P5 team is going to a bowl.

    Guess who's not going to a bowl?

    BYU.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 3, 2017 7:11 p.m.

    “BYU is still the premiere football program in the state and always will be.“

    Pure tripe....byu successfully erased their status as #1 in the state many, many yrs ago, long before LE retired.

    Merely see head-to-head results against us over the last quarter-century & then review their BCS/CFP national stage resumes....Zero BCS bowl games/CFP Poll rankings.

    When did byu last beat a finish ranked P5 opponent?

    Shoot, when did byu last even finish the year ranked, themselves, in any poll?

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Dec. 3, 2017 7:05 p.m.

    Nice to see a handful of Y fans making classy posts. Then there are those that apparently have no class and make the same negative posts.

    I’m excited for the Utes to play in a historic venue against a Big 12 team. Sure beats playing in the LV bowl again.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 3, 2017 7:02 p.m.

    “Bottom line - the location where Utah plays its bowl game is irrelevant as far as recruiting is concerned.”

    Pure tripe....There’ll be plenty of recruits in attendance & a future selling pt to recruits plus an outstanding return back home for all of our Texas kids currently on our roster.

  • Mr. Boris Layton, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 6:29 p.m.

    It's so ridiculous to hear about BYU in the comments for every story about the Utes.

    The Utes are in a P5 conference. That's great. I think everyone knows that by now.
    BYU is still the premiere football program in the state and always will be. Michigan St. beats Michigan every year but when you think of football in the state of Michigan you don't think of the Spartans. The Utes will always be 2nd in this state regardless of records, conference affiliation, etc. and that's just the way it is.

    The fact is neither Utah or BYU will ever be in the college football playoffs the way the system is now. As overrated as the PAC 12 was this year I still think USC should have gone to the playoffs before Alabama or Ohio State.

    So bowl game or no bowl game. P5 or independent. None of it matters. There are still only about 8 teams that have a chance to get to the ESPN playoffs every year and the Utes or Cougars aren't one of them.

  • Road Runner Cedar City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 6:22 p.m.

    whoami

    Utah has played one of weakest bowl schedules - practically no teams ranked in the Top 20 in both polls.

    Most of Utah’s bowl opponents lost 5 or more games.

    BYU has played as many ranked bowl opponents as Utah has played bowls.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Dec. 3, 2017 5:46 p.m.

    niners

    Don’t kid yourself.

    There won’t be half as many Utah fans at the Heart of Dallas Bowl as BYU fans who attend Made-for-TV games in NFL stadiums.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 5:17 p.m.

    The article claims Utah's bowl record is 16 - 5 while Phil Steele and others say it is 16-4. The difference has to be the 1940's Hawaii bowl. Either way that is the best winning percentage among the 130 FBS teams with 15 bowl games or more! Think of any FBS team and realize Utah has a better bowl winning percentage! That is one of many factors that led to a PAC-12 invitation!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Dec. 3, 2017 5:03 p.m.

    Cool Enough

    Go Utes

  • Wldflwr Lehi, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 4:59 p.m.

    @ I Still Can’t - What you still can’t do is get BYU out of your head.

    Good Luck Utah

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Dec. 3, 2017 4:20 p.m.

    Utes play after xmas day. Utes play a fellow power 5 team. Respectable and a Success.

    Just win baby!!!

  • UtahUte91 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 3:58 p.m.

    I don't anticipate that many Utah fans will actually make the trip to Dallas,

    but, at least the Utes will have a chance to finish with a winning record.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Dec. 3, 2017 3:45 p.m.

    Good matchup for the Utes in a great venue. Unfortunately the time slot is lousy but much better than playing in the LV Bowl again.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Dec. 3, 2017 3:43 p.m.

    I like the match up and the venue but I'm not crazy about the date. This pretty much means you have to spend Christmas Day traveling. This should be a great game, and probably means that some of our players who were sidelined with injuries will be available for the game.

  • niners Fayetteville, NC
    Dec. 3, 2017 3:41 p.m.

    @BC
    “It'll be interesting to see how fans show up for an early Tuesday afternoon game in Dallas the day after Christmas.”

    Not sure.... it’s likely going to be more than the BYU fans that show up for these “made for TV” games in NFL stadiums that are 25% full. Also more than showed up to UNLV (self proclaimed LES South) where that tiny stadium was barely half full. Not that it’s a hard feat, but I’d say BYU fans have nothing to brag about. BYUs biggest accomplishment this year was losing to Wisconsin by ONLY five touchdowns, while feeding the Wisconsin fans free ice cream...

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 3:35 p.m.

    I Still Can't Say It

    "This is a great match up and opportunity for the Utes. They play a fellow P5 team in a good recruiting area."

    December 18, 2017, through January 11, 2018 is a Dead Period - During a dead period a college coach may not have face-to-face contact with college-bound student-athletes or their parents, and may not watch student-athletes compete or visit their high schools.

    Bottom line - the location where Utah plays its bowl game is irrelevant as far as recruiting is concerned.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Dec. 3, 2017 3:18 p.m.

    Great job and good luck Utes!! This Cougar Fan is suffering through reruns of past BYU Bowl games on BYUTV.

  • Carnak Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 3:12 p.m.

    Perfect. As long as the bowl game ISN’T in Nevada or Idaho and IS against a P5 opponent, I’m happy.

    Go Utes.

  • B C Park City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 3:10 p.m.

    It'll be interesting to see how fans show up for an early Tuesday afternoon game in Dallas the day after Christmas.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 3:09 p.m.

    A good match for 6-6 Utes -- vs the #5 Big 12 team, historic Cotton Bowl stadium on the State Fair Grounds, coaches can do some recruiting in Texas...
    A nice change up from the Vegas Bowl.

  • I Still Can't Say It Holladay, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 3:01 p.m.

    This is a great match up and opportunity for the Utes. They play a fellow P5 team in a good recruiting area.

    What bowl is BYU playing in this year?

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Dec. 3, 2017 2:58 p.m.

    Congrats Utes. Make the state of Utah proud!