Dick Harmon: Will BYU have a new OC before Dec. 20 Letter of Intent early signing day? They'd better

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  • FanOf"ChuckARama" Vernal, UT
    Dec. 10, 2017 10:42 p.m.

    Maybe it is time for someone from outside of the BYU connection box to come in to fill the vacancy. Someone who is not predictable among the State of Utah crowd.

  • ConcernCitizen South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 9, 2017 7:34 a.m.

    If OC has been offered, safe to say they ACCEPTED because I am sure BYU wants to make the announcement in advance of the DEC 20 recruiting day. If OC did not accept, BYU would still be frantically looking for a NEW OC.

    In any case, BYU OC OFFER is probably conditioned on future PERFORMANCE instead of past record because past records don't necessarily mean that much anymore.

    The game of football is becoming far more of a mind game between coaches than a physical game between players. Offensive strategies can be very complex and the coaches that have the smarts are going to succeed while others are going to fail even if they have a gifted talented team. It is really important that BYU change its thinking on how the OFFENSIVE coordinator functions. The NEW NCAA rule to hire another assistant could play a pivotal role in the future of football when it comes to OFFENSIVE strategy. In the past, BYU offensive coordinators rarely work from the booth and BYU may require an ASSISTANT OC moving forward with a bright analytical mind in reading the DEFENCE to be in the booth.

  • Tarheel Ute Colorado Springs, CO
    Dec. 8, 2017 11:04 a.m.

    I workout with a BYU alum. I disagreed with his assessment that BYU would be better firing Sitaki now, rather than hoping for a great OC. My argument was that a OC who can recruit is key, but that BYU's independence is the bigger issue.

    BYU would contend if not dominate the MWC or American Athletic conferences. As such BYU might very well have gone once or twice to a January 1st Bowl. While BYU recruiting would be far better in a Power conference, it would be better as a member any conference rather than independence. This year was an anomaly, but BYU would have had performed better in the MWC, perhaps even going to a bowl game

    As a long term Ute fan I am happy the University took the PAC12 opportunity. Ironically, at the same time recruiting has improved, the Utes are woefully behind the talent curve required to compete against PAC12 teams year-to-year, or game-to-game. And, it may very well be a long time before Utes fans see a January 1st Bowl.

    If either team expects to dramatically improve, they both need coaches that can recruit as well as develop talent.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    Dec. 8, 2017 9:06 a.m.

    My two cents.

    BYU needs to install the wishbone offense. The ability to recruit top players, even LDS, is dwindling and becoming more and more difficult. With the wishbone you can use BYU's lack of skill players to your advantage. The players need to be disciplined (questioning of Sitake's leadership) and consistent. Look at how successful Air Force and Navy have been with variations of the wishbone offense. Now the games will be boring but at least the contests will be better. Independence is all that BYU can accomodate. The other conferences now requiring benefits to "partners" as well as equal opportunity at work are all things that the Church isn't going to submit to at this point or ever. Anyway, I think Ty was pure genius, I just think that he was lacking in skill players including the QB. Great men and good players, just not skilled as those now playing this game. 1984's win against a 6-6 team is looking further and further away as time goes by.

  • BobbyPaluga Austin, TX
    Dec. 8, 2017 3:54 a.m.

    Dick, you're as wrong on this as you were in not correcting the BYU-Alumni QB (you quoted) who claimed that an OC had to be an active Mormon. Roger French, Doug Scovil, Ted Tollner and Mike Holmgren among others, here and in the great beyond, think both you and the Alumni-QB are myoptic.
    The worst thing BYU can do is rush a decision as Holmoe and Sitake rushed hiring a coaching staff of BYU inbred hacks with no college coaching experience.
    Many cantidates are likely to be practicing for bowl games, all but The coach at Snow and Mike Riley let go at Nebraska. Its Sitake job to sell a vision of what type of offensive he expects his team will be running, until such a time as he has his OC. It's better to wait and think this through even if they lose some more recruits. And it's far better to wait for a winner now involved in preparing a team for their bowl.

  • Rational Animal Independence , UT
    Dec. 8, 2017 2:28 a.m.

    This is called "sawing off the branch you're sitting on." The current players own this, not Detmer.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Dec. 7, 2017 9:44 p.m.

    I think BYU may have one of the most passionate fan bases around that consists of a large percentage of people that really don't follow college football.

    I see comments that Sitake should change his mind and brink back Detmer. You don't fire a guy because the offense can't move the ball and then change your mind. Then there was a comment about Holmoe firing Detmer. No, the decision to relieve Detmer of the OC responsibilities was all from Sitake. Then my favorite, BYU should have told Detmer he was going to be relieved of duties but not made a media announcement until after the early recruiting period was over. Yeah, that would be very ethical to kids looking to commit to a school

    Bottom line is Sitake decided to make a chance. Once that decision is made, making the change sooner is better. Get the search going and hope you can get someone on board quickly.

  • reallY in sin city Las Vegas, NV
    Dec. 7, 2017 9:41 p.m.

    Detmer has HUGE value as a recruiter, keep him at all costs as qb coach. Get a new guy ASAP, pick one with great experience this time.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Dec. 7, 2017 1:16 p.m.

    A few realities:

    Detmer had no experience as a OC. Being a back up qb is not even in the same universe.

    Detmer was paid a lot of money to produce. He not only didn't produce but the failure of this years offense was epic. Last year only succeeded by the shear talent and athleticism of two players.

    Ty would not ever except a demotion to qb coach.

    Ty is not going to be the AD. He has no experience at that either.

    Ty was treated fairly and with respect.

    BYU may already know exactly who their new OC is, but due to many teams still playing, like Snow College and others, they don't want to do to them what Bronco and Virginia did to BYU.

    Patience fellow Cougars. It will come.

    Finally if you take out the anomalies of this years bad football team and the great Jimmer basketball teams, BYU is just as good as they have always been. We haven't fallen off or gotten worse with or without independence. Utah has just gotten better at football and we haven't been able to beat them. Everything else is still the same

  • PhilRM Anchorage, AK
    Dec. 7, 2017 12:14 p.m.

    Keep Detmer as the QB coach. I'd also like to point out when you lose NFL talent like Williams, Hill, and Nacua, without any depth to replace them, as well as multiple injuries this year, we shouldn't expect to go 9-4 again. Perhaps the strength and conditioning coach should be let go because of all of the injuries. Laying this all at Detmer's feet is ignorant at best. Granted, I questioned some of the calls too, but the meltdown this year wasn't all the fault of the OC. Again, keep Detmer as a QB coach.

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Dec. 7, 2017 11:44 a.m.

    Tom Holmoe needs to be fired. The Cougs football/basketball have done nothing but get worse during his time as an AD. One can blame it on independence (his decision), faith in the Big-12/ACC (his decision), lack of admittance to either (despite his assurances to the fans), and forcing the failure of the football team’s offense(OC hiring?). I am tired of watching BYU football play bad football games the last half of the season AND THEN lose to them.

    Tom, what successes have you had in your time on the job? What other decisions did you make? Did they positively impact the Coug’s success on the field?

    Get back in a conference with a Boise State clause. If Tom has no credibility with the MWC, or AAC.. or Big-5, fire him, and get someone that they can respect.

    In athletics, no success can make up for failure in the (football) home.

  • james d. morrison Sandy, UT
    Dec. 7, 2017 11:20 a.m.

    In no sense was Ty treated poorly.

  • mdp Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 7, 2017 9:41 a.m.

    I doubt even Urban Meyer could have managed a winning season with the lack of athletic talent Sitaki/Mendenhall recruited under Holmoe's pipe-dream independence fantasy.

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    Dec. 7, 2017 9:22 a.m.

    Again with the uninformed comments.

    Detmer treated badly. Detmer "quickly" fired. The reason why Niumatalolo did not take the job. etc, etc.

    No one posting here knows anything about these things. What conversations took place between Detmer and Sitake? Was this a mutually agreed upon outcome? Does Holmoe operate independently or collectively?

    That said, I still believe that it was too much of a stretch to expect someone with no prior experience to take on both OC and QB coach. If Detmer wants to continue coaching (and he may have soured on it) it is unlikely that he will be hired as a head coach or as an OC by any university. He will have to step back and work his way into those positions. QB coach at BYU could still be a good restart for a major college coaching career.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Dec. 7, 2017 8:53 a.m.

    There is going to be an additional complication this year in hiring coaches. Teams can now have a tenth coach. That presents significant challenges if they want to replace more than just Ty.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 7, 2017 8:40 a.m.

    @Rikitikitavi - Cardston, Alberta

    You don't understand!

    "Predictable Play calling"? With so many injuries & lack of talent how many reps do you think each player got during the week? How easy do you think it is to get the timing down when you are #3 or #4 on the depth chart don't get reps in practice and then you go into the game. Do you still think you can run the same plays with the #1's & the #4's? How easy do you think it is to dumb down the offense then out fox the other team?

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    Dec. 7, 2017 7:40 a.m.

    Did anyone happen to notice how boring and predictable Detmers play-calling was? No creativity! I agree that the "O" line gave the QB almost no protection..however that is when you go shotgun and not under center. How about passing on first down? Ty did it all the time back in his day. I love Detmer and I hope he stays as QB coach. Injuries were catastrophic. How about all the empty seats in L.E.S?

  • blue & white Boise, ID
    Dec. 7, 2017 6:40 a.m.

    Hopefully kalani S and Tom H already had potential candidates list before Ty was dismissed. However the longer this takes the further down the list happens which is not desirable .
    I would like Ty to stay on the staff as QB coach.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Dec. 7, 2017 12:36 a.m.

    Did Detmer hire his offensive assistant coaches or recruit any of his players?

    Just something to think about.

  • SIMPLICITY Denver, CO
    Dec. 7, 2017 12:05 a.m.

    The dumpster fire continues to burn.

  • truenorth3 Draper, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 11:39 p.m.

    Sitake and Tuiaki are having an Oregon State effect in Provo. BYU, BYU football, student-athletes, alumni deserve better. Solutions clear; program impact and results will continue in the wrong direction until total change happens. Questionable recruiting practices. #culturematters

  • AggieAndee Holladay, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 10:49 p.m.

    Nobody wants to be OC at BYU after how poorly Heisman Ty was treated there and how bad the BYU football team has become.

    A new era of USU dominance over BYU in football has gotten underway. I look forward to many more BYU looses against my Aggies.

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 10:27 p.m.

    Why did Holmoe act so quickly to fire Ty when there was nobody to replace him? He knew that it takes forever to get somebody hired at BYU and he knew that this early signing period is coming up. Why not keep Ty on staff, let him know that his duties will change, allow him to keep recruiting, and then make the announcement once everybody is in place?
    Holmoe just continues to kill this program and run it into the ground. Isn’t there somebody in the BYU administration that has some sort of clue as to what is going on? Can’t somebody realize that we are not in the LaVell era any longer and “the boys out there in the field sure look good” type of mentality isn’t gong to work?
    Please step up and end the Holmoe era so hopefully the rebuilding can begin.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 6, 2017 9:00 p.m.

    "Coach Sitake didn’t create the Polynesian pipeline and his dismissal won’t shut it down. "

    Totally naive. Firing Sitake would be the single biggest mistake BYU football ever made - guaranteed.

  • msmith9596 Lake Forest, CA
    Dec. 6, 2017 6:47 p.m.

    Ty needs to be restored to his position. Sitaki would have to be humble in order to ask Ty to please return as OC, but he CAN do it.

  • OC Fan Orange County, CA
    Dec. 6, 2017 6:24 p.m.

    What's happening with Ty? Is he still working? Still recruiting?

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    Dec. 6, 2017 6:20 p.m.

    Aaron Roderick. It is the best BYU can do. At least he has major college football experience, including 9 and 10 win seasons.

  • DETERMINISM UTAH, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 5:54 p.m.

    Coach Sitake didn’t create the Polynesian pipeline and his dismissal won’t shut it down. He has brought in a lot of islanders as players and coaches but the 4-9 record and discipline problems on and off the field may be proving that his strategy isn’t working at BYU.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Dec. 6, 2017 5:47 p.m.

    More fuel for the dumpster fire regardless of whether someone is hired or not by the early signing date. If they hire 'a warm body' the fans will be distressed; if they don't hire someone by signing date the fans will be upset. A no win situation. Holmoe continues to spread alarm and dismay among the faithful by his rather absurd AD decisions, one of which (Detmer's hiring) lead to Detmer's removal for failure to perform. While the smell is dreadful, I enjoy watching the flames.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 6, 2017 5:42 p.m.

    When the Cougars hire an OC, they'll put out a statement and then we'll know. Since the NCAA has now allowed for another football coach, I'd like to see BYU hire Gary Andersen. He can coach a lot of different positions. Put him in charge of one and let him coach our guys up to where they can be effective.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 6, 2017 5:15 p.m.

    I'll hate myself tomorrow, but I'm going to agree the Red Robin guy. Hiring the OC before the head coach was a bad idea. I actually think there are some good candidates out there. The question is - will BYU pay them enough to lure them to a tough place to coach.
    I too would love to see Detmer remain with the program in some capcity but would understand if he declined.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    Dec. 6, 2017 4:46 p.m.

    Sir Robin is correct. Holmoe hired Detmer. And the most believable narrative is that the position was promised prior to finalizing the head coach search. That is the most probable reason that Niumatalolo declined the position.

    I love Ty. One of the most unassuming guys around. But it is always a mistake to hire an inexperienced coach as an OC (Brian Johnson, Brandon Doman...), it just doesn't work. A successful coordinator doesn't just need a knowledge of the game, he needs a full range of skills that only come with experience.

    I wish Ty the best. Hope BYU keeps him around in some capacity (recruiting, fund raising), and I hope to see him coaching again at BYU in the future.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Dec. 6, 2017 4:27 p.m.

    @water rocket

    " Sitaki's lack of loyalty to Ty is sad"

    Sitaki didn't hire Detmer - Holmoe did. Everyone on earth knows that. So Sitaki has no loyalty to show, as he didn't make the hire.

    At this point, Dick Harmon might be the only viable candidate for the OC position. At least he could finally put his vast football knowledge to work in a productive way.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 6, 2017 4:17 p.m.

    "I would rather see Sitaki go than Detmer."

    You're joking right? You really want to shut down BYU's polynesian pipeline for Detmer? That is really absurd.

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 4:08 p.m.

    I would rather see Sitaki go than Detmer. Sitaki's lack of loyalty to Ty is sad, plus, his line coaches (both offense and defense) need to go. Blaming the offense, when the line couldn't protect the QB is inexcusable (look at how many QB's got injured!). IMHO, Sitaki needs to be "reassigned" more so than Detmer. If the AD allows this fiasco to happen again next year, he also needs to go!