Maybe it is time for someone from outside of the BYU connection box to come in
to fill the vacancy. Someone who is not predictable among the State of Utah
If OC has been offered, safe to say they ACCEPTED because I am sure BYU wants to
make the announcement in advance of the DEC 20 recruiting day. If OC did not
accept, BYU would still be frantically looking for a NEW OC.In any
case, BYU OC OFFER is probably conditioned on future PERFORMANCE instead of past
record because past records don't necessarily mean that much anymore. The game of football is becoming far more of a mind game between coaches
than a physical game between players. Offensive strategies can be very complex
and the coaches that have the smarts are going to succeed while others are going
to fail even if they have a gifted talented team. It is really important that
BYU change its thinking on how the OFFENSIVE coordinator functions. The NEW
NCAA rule to hire another assistant could play a pivotal role in the future of
football when it comes to OFFENSIVE strategy. In the past, BYU offensive
coordinators rarely work from the booth and BYU may require an ASSISTANT OC
moving forward with a bright analytical mind in reading the DEFENCE to be in the
I workout with a BYU alum. I disagreed with his assessment that BYU would be
better firing Sitaki now, rather than hoping for a great OC. My argument was
that a OC who can recruit is key, but that BYU's independence is the bigger
issue. BYU would contend if not dominate the MWC or American
Athletic conferences. As such BYU might very well have gone once or twice to
a January 1st Bowl. While BYU recruiting would be far better in a Power
conference, it would be better as a member any conference rather than
independence. This year was an anomaly, but BYU would have had performed better
in the MWC, perhaps even going to a bowl gameAs a long term Ute fan
I am happy the University took the PAC12 opportunity. Ironically, at the same
time recruiting has improved, the Utes are woefully behind the talent curve
required to compete against PAC12 teams year-to-year, or game-to-game. And, it
may very well be a long time before Utes fans see a January 1st Bowl.If either team expects to dramatically improve, they both need coaches that
can recruit as well as develop talent.
My two cents.BYU needs to install the wishbone offense. The ability
to recruit top players, even LDS, is dwindling and becoming more and more
difficult. With the wishbone you can use BYU's lack of skill players to
your advantage. The players need to be disciplined (questioning of
Sitake's leadership) and consistent. Look at how successful Air Force and
Navy have been with variations of the wishbone offense. Now the games will be
boring but at least the contests will be better. Independence is all that BYU
can accomodate. The other conferences now requiring benefits to
"partners" as well as equal opportunity at work are all things that the
Church isn't going to submit to at this point or ever. Anyway, I think Ty
was pure genius, I just think that he was lacking in skill players including the
QB. Great men and good players, just not skilled as those now playing this
game. 1984's win against a 6-6 team is looking further and further away as
time goes by.
Dick, you're as wrong on this as you were in not correcting the BYU-Alumni
QB (you quoted) who claimed that an OC had to be an active Mormon. Roger French,
Doug Scovil, Ted Tollner and Mike Holmgren among others, here and in the great
beyond, think both you and the Alumni-QB are myoptic. The worst thing BYU
can do is rush a decision as Holmoe and Sitake rushed hiring a coaching staff of
BYU inbred hacks with no college coaching experience.Many cantidates are
likely to be practicing for bowl games, all but The coach at Snow and Mike Riley
let go at Nebraska. Its Sitake job to sell a vision of what type of offensive he
expects his team will be running, until such a time as he has his OC. It's
better to wait and think this through even if they lose some more recruits. And
it's far better to wait for a winner now involved in preparing a team for
This is called "sawing off the branch you're sitting on." The
current players own this, not Detmer.
I think BYU may have one of the most passionate fan bases around that consists
of a large percentage of people that really don't follow college
football.I see comments that Sitake should change his mind and brink
back Detmer. You don't fire a guy because the offense can't move the
ball and then change your mind. Then there was a comment about Holmoe firing
Detmer. No, the decision to relieve Detmer of the OC responsibilities was all
from Sitake. Then my favorite, BYU should have told Detmer he was going to be
relieved of duties but not made a media announcement until after the early
recruiting period was over. Yeah, that would be very ethical to kids looking to
commit to a schoolBottom line is Sitake decided to make a chance.
Once that decision is made, making the change sooner is better. Get the search
going and hope you can get someone on board quickly.
Detmer has HUGE value as a recruiter, keep him at all costs as qb coach. Get a
new guy ASAP, pick one with great experience this time.
A few realities:Detmer had no experience as a OC. Being a back up
qb is not even in the same universe.Detmer was paid a lot of money
to produce. He not only didn't produce but the failure of this years
offense was epic. Last year only succeeded by the shear talent and athleticism
of two players.Ty would not ever except a demotion to qb coach. Ty is not going to be the AD. He has no experience at that either. Ty was treated fairly and with respect.BYU may already know
exactly who their new OC is, but due to many teams still playing, like Snow
College and others, they don't want to do to them what Bronco and Virginia
did to BYU.Patience fellow Cougars. It will come.Finally if you take out the anomalies of this years bad football team and the
great Jimmer basketball teams, BYU is just as good as they have always been. We
haven't fallen off or gotten worse with or without independence. Utah has
just gotten better at football and we haven't been able to beat them.
Everything else is still the same
Keep Detmer as the QB coach. I'd also like to point out when you lose NFL
talent like Williams, Hill, and Nacua, without any depth to replace them, as
well as multiple injuries this year, we shouldn't expect to go 9-4 again.
Perhaps the strength and conditioning coach should be let go because of all of
the injuries. Laying this all at Detmer's feet is ignorant at best.
Granted, I questioned some of the calls too, but the meltdown this year
wasn't all the fault of the OC. Again, keep Detmer as a QB coach.
Tom Holmoe needs to be fired. The Cougs football/basketball have done nothing
but get worse during his time as an AD. One can blame it on independence (his
decision), faith in the Big-12/ACC (his decision), lack of admittance to either
(despite his assurances to the fans), and forcing the failure of the football
team’s offense(OC hiring?). I am tired of watching BYU football play bad
football games the last half of the season AND THEN lose to them.Tom, what successes have you had in your time on the job? What other decisions
did you make? Did they positively impact the Coug’s success on the
field?Get back in a conference with a Boise State clause. If Tom
has no credibility with the MWC, or AAC.. or Big-5, fire him, and get someone
that they can respect. In athletics, no success can make up for
failure in the (football) home.
In no sense was Ty treated poorly.
I doubt even Urban Meyer could have managed a winning season with the lack of
athletic talent Sitaki/Mendenhall recruited under Holmoe's pipe-dream
Again with the uninformed comments.Detmer treated badly. Detmer
"quickly" fired. The reason why Niumatalolo did not take the job. etc,
etc.No one posting here knows anything about these things. What
conversations took place between Detmer and Sitake? Was this a mutually agreed
upon outcome? Does Holmoe operate independently or collectively? That said, I still believe that it was too much of a stretch to expect someone
with no prior experience to take on both OC and QB coach. If Detmer wants to
continue coaching (and he may have soured on it) it is unlikely that he will be
hired as a head coach or as an OC by any university. He will have to step back
and work his way into those positions. QB coach at BYU could still be a good
restart for a major college coaching career.
There is going to be an additional complication this year in hiring coaches.
Teams can now have a tenth coach. That presents significant challenges if they
want to replace more than just Ty.
@Rikitikitavi - Cardston, AlbertaYou don't understand!"Predictable Play calling"? With so many injuries & lack of
talent how many reps do you think each player got during the week? How easy do
you think it is to get the timing down when you are #3 or #4 on the depth chart
don't get reps in practice and then you go into the game. Do you still
think you can run the same plays with the #1's & the #4's? How
easy do you think it is to dumb down the offense then out fox the other team?
Did anyone happen to notice how boring and predictable Detmers play-calling was?
No creativity! I agree that the "O" line gave the QB almost no
protection..however that is when you go shotgun and not under center. How about
passing on first down? Ty did it all the time back in his day. I love Detmer and
I hope he stays as QB coach. Injuries were catastrophic. How about all the
empty seats in L.E.S?
Hopefully kalani S and Tom H already had potential candidates list before Ty was
dismissed. However the longer this takes the further down the list happens which
is not desirable . I would like Ty to stay on the staff as QB coach.
Did Detmer hire his offensive assistant coaches or recruit any of his
players?Just something to think about.
The dumpster fire continues to burn.
Sitake and Tuiaki are having an Oregon State effect in Provo. BYU, BYU football,
student-athletes, alumni deserve better. Solutions clear; program impact and
results will continue in the wrong direction until total change happens.
Questionable recruiting practices. #culturematters
Nobody wants to be OC at BYU after how poorly Heisman Ty was treated there and
how bad the BYU football team has become.A new era of USU dominance
over BYU in football has gotten underway. I look forward to many more BYU
looses against my Aggies.
Why did Holmoe act so quickly to fire Ty when there was nobody to replace him?
He knew that it takes forever to get somebody hired at BYU and he knew that this
early signing period is coming up. Why not keep Ty on staff, let him know that
his duties will change, allow him to keep recruiting, and then make the
announcement once everybody is in place?Holmoe just continues to kill this
program and run it into the ground. Isn’t there somebody in the BYU
administration that has some sort of clue as to what is going on? Can’t
somebody realize that we are not in the LaVell era any longer and “the
boys out there in the field sure look good” type of mentality isn’t
gong to work?Please step up and end the Holmoe era so hopefully the
rebuilding can begin.
"Coach Sitake didn’t create the Polynesian pipeline and his dismissal
won’t shut it down. "Totally naive. Firing Sitake would
be the single biggest mistake BYU football ever made - guaranteed.
Ty needs to be restored to his position. Sitaki would have to be humble in order
to ask Ty to please return as OC, but he CAN do it.
What's happening with Ty? Is he still working? Still recruiting?
Aaron Roderick. It is the best BYU can do. At least he has major college
football experience, including 9 and 10 win seasons.
Coach Sitake didn’t create the Polynesian pipeline and his dismissal
won’t shut it down. He has brought in a lot of islanders as players and
coaches but the 4-9 record and discipline problems on and off the field may be
proving that his strategy isn’t working at BYU.
More fuel for the dumpster fire regardless of whether someone is hired or not by
the early signing date. If they hire 'a warm body' the fans will be
distressed; if they don't hire someone by signing date the fans will be
upset. A no win situation. Holmoe continues to spread alarm and dismay among
the faithful by his rather absurd AD decisions, one of which (Detmer's
hiring) lead to Detmer's removal for failure to perform. While the smell
is dreadful, I enjoy watching the flames.
When the Cougars hire an OC, they'll put out a statement and then
we'll know. Since the NCAA has now allowed for another football coach,
I'd like to see BYU hire Gary Andersen. He can coach a lot of different
positions. Put him in charge of one and let him coach our guys up to where they
can be effective.
I'll hate myself tomorrow, but I'm going to agree the Red Robin guy.
Hiring the OC before the head coach was a bad idea. I actually think there are
some good candidates out there. The question is - will BYU pay them enough to
lure them to a tough place to coach.I too would love to see Detmer remain
with the program in some capcity but would understand if he declined.
Sir Robin is correct. Holmoe hired Detmer. And the most believable narrative is
that the position was promised prior to finalizing the head coach search. That
is the most probable reason that Niumatalolo declined the position.I
love Ty. One of the most unassuming guys around. But it is always a mistake to
hire an inexperienced coach as an OC (Brian Johnson, Brandon Doman...), it just
doesn't work. A successful coordinator doesn't just need a knowledge
of the game, he needs a full range of skills that only come with experience.I wish Ty the best. Hope BYU keeps him around in some capacity
(recruiting, fund raising), and I hope to see him coaching again at BYU in the
@water rocket" Sitaki's lack of loyalty to Ty is
sad"Sitaki didn't hire Detmer - Holmoe did. Everyone on
earth knows that. So Sitaki has no loyalty to show, as he didn't make the
hire.At this point, Dick Harmon might be the only viable candidate
for the OC position. At least he could finally put his vast football knowledge
to work in a productive way.
"I would rather see Sitaki go than Detmer."You're
joking right? You really want to shut down BYU's polynesian pipeline for
Detmer? That is really absurd.
I would rather see Sitaki go than Detmer. Sitaki's lack of loyalty to Ty
is sad, plus, his line coaches (both offense and defense) need to go. Blaming
the offense, when the line couldn't protect the QB is inexcusable (look at
how many QB's got injured!). IMHO, Sitaki needs to be "reassigned"
more so than Detmer. If the AD allows this fiasco to happen again next year, he
also needs to go!