@NeilT.I won’t debate you. In today’s hyper-partisan
environment, that usually goes nowhere. But, I will say that
Obama’s real enemies targeted him because of race. Trump’s most
dangerous enemies believe that Trump disappearing would be good for the country
as a whole. In other words, a patriotic thing. To me, that is a whole level
higher than traditional racial animus.
Vermonter. Trump the most vilified President in history. Not even close.
The honor goes to President Obama by a landslide. Trump is being treated with
kids gloves compared to the vitriol and disrespect the far right dished out to
@Elwood P Suggins -- "Too bad the same Utahans that were so outraged by
Trump's naughty talk on tape with Billy Bush didn't have the desire or
tenacity to uncover the immoral and illegal activities of the democratic party
candidate."Over the last nearly 30 years of national political
reportage, hardly a week or month that has gone by with no mention of some
investigation of Clinton, either past investigation, or a current one.Had the news media given the same attention to Trump as has been directed to
'the democratic party candidate', perhaps a different President would
be under discussion, if it had been a Republican.As it is Trump was
given pretty much a free pass by all the press on many issues that have now,
much too late, become headline news, ranging from his real attitude towards
women, his business connections with Russia, to his attitudes on race relations
and his softness on those who express extreme views on such.
You sound like the kid who didn't get invited to the birthday party
Natalie.Get over it. They don't have to invite you if they
don't want to.I didn't get invited either BTW if that
makes you feel any better.I don't know what the selection
criteria was. But I also don't care. Why would anybody want to be there?
You could watch it all on TV!The real excitement was outside
anyway. Inside was boring.
Why do you think Trump only holds - Nuremberg type "rallies" - and
people my sign up for tickets --- yep, screen tests for loyalists....Wouldn't want to go to a U2 or Beatles concert, unless you are a
'true' fan...you might spoil the show....
The reason so many people were excluded is clear. Utahans, in general, are very
upset by confirmed outrageous immoral activities. I think that's a good
thing.Too bad the same Utahans that were so outraged by Trump's
naughty talk on tape with Billy Bush didn't have the desire or tenacity to
uncover the immoral and illegal activities of the democratic party candidate.
Evidence of this wrong doing is numerous, but it is not broadcast or widely
shared because of the complicity of the media and the payoffs/threats of this
crime syndicate. If these wrong doings were publicized (if the media were to
do its job objectively), then many Utahans wouldn't have been so upset by
Trump's behavior, because the democratic alternative was exponentially
worse.I don't approve of Trump's immoral speech or
behavior. I don't like the way he campaigned--except that he won! He is a
flawed man, but his policies are right on target with my own views, and--darn
it--he gets things done. He was/is the best alternative. I also believe the
immoral behavior of alternative "public servants" is (for most of us),
carefully veiled and unimaginably evil. When "best" is not available, I
Of course those who are feeling the 'burn' from Trump and Co.'s
war on America should speak out.But don't expect any new
developments in the GOP. The locker room talk of Trump should have given all
women voter's pause. Yet, there was little change in voting patterns either
in the 2016 elections, or the recent ones. There were a few changes, but in
areas the that may have had significant Democrat dissatisfaction in 2016, but
now have realized that their votes may have allowed an even greater evil to
enter the political arena.In Utah, where at every turn, LDS
political figures are giving themselves self congratulations for their moral
fiber, have only minimally confronted Trump on such issues, and despite 20 or so
percent voting for another candidate, have fallen in line with Trump via their
representatives. The recent special election demonstrated there is no real
change to be expected any time soon.Utah Republicans will voice a
few objections, but they will continue their tacit support of Trump and Co, no
matter the number of failures on the moral front that may be revealed.
@worf "He's [Trump]done more for nation in eight months than the
previous eight years."I am not a Democrat, but I get sick and
tired of guys like you not appreciating Barack Obama. Obama did enough of the
right things in the opening years of the Great Recession (2009-2010) to rescue
the American economy. But to appreciate this one must know some economics or
contemporary history. Obama is not my cup of tea, but he is a darned good and
accomplished man, and we all owe him a lot.
trump, trump, trumpHis supporters act as if he is a second coming.
he has begun to erase the horrors (!!!) of the Obama administration, and is
reaching back even further. he has mystically solved all our economic crises,
made America great again, passed great laws and appointed great judges all in a
short span of 10 months or so. Wow! And I always thought it took a couple of
years for economic policy changes to take full effect. And how many laws have
been passed anyway?those pesky details of his moral bankruptcy
regarding women and the unfolding drama of his Russian connections are declared
fake news. in fact, almost any criticism is greeted with incredulity and false
equivalencies by his supporters.Maybe the GOP should just declare
him King, and be done with it.
@Utefan60,Trump did not create a national debt equal to eight
hundred thousand dollars for every second of a year, nor a high welfare state
and high unemployment. He hasn't sent billions of dollars to
terrorist groups or handed out nuclear technology.He hasn't
taken millions of acres from states and put it under federal control or taken
more money from hard working Americans for worthless programs.He's done more for nation in eight months than the previous eight
years.Please! State a factual complaint rather than unexplained
Every president screens attendees at events like this. No doubt Natalie has
attended events in the past where staunch Republicans were denied presidential
clearance because they were too conservative. Where were her columns when
someone else was denied a seat for their political views? Is it only when the
shoe is on the other foot, when it affects us personally, that we speak up?Donald Trump won despite his personality flaws for a couple of
reasons:1-His opponent was far worse in many personal and policy
ways than he was.2-A lot of voters are tired of the establishment
politicians--on both sides--who beg us for our votes and then ignore us once
safely elected. To borrow a refrain from gun owners, Politicians are happy to
accept a ride to the ball in our pickup trucks, but then want us to park out of
sight once we get them.I'd love to have any professed
republicans tell me which of Trump's policies they find so offensive. We
all know about the 10 year old audio tape, and the allegations from women who
make their living showing off their attractive bodies. Tweets are not
policies.What are policy problems? Gorsuch? Jerusalem?
Immigration enforcement? Tax reform?
Very self-serving whine. You know why you were denied. Pres. Trump is not a
politician. He ruffles the feathers of you political types. I didn’t
want to vote for him, but there were no GOOD options at the time of the election
(and don’t give me that 3rd Party/Write-in nonsense...I wanted my vote to
count!). Despite Pres. Trump’s human frailties and weaknesses, I’m
very pleased with the direction the country is going under his direction.
He’s not my kind of guy. He’s coarse and crass and obnoxious.
Just what we need at this time in history. We’ve had enough Bushes and
Clintons and Obamas who were weak, ineffectual, and took America in the wrong
direction. Quit your bellyaching.
What in Tucket says (and amazingly with a straight face):"Trump a
disaster? IN what way. The economy is soaring and we don't have tax cuts
and why is that?"What exactly do you think trump has done to
make this economy soar?
In speaking out you lose your place in the Republican hierarchy. This takes
courage, but you may pay a price, in which case you join the Utah masses with no
political power. But looking at the good side, you'll have lots of
At least Trump came to Utah to make the Monument proclamation. That makes him
10 feet taller than Clinton and Obama combined.
Since you dislike President Trump so much, why did you want to go see him? It
seems like there were plenty of people there who wanted to see him because they
support him and what he was doing. That makes me wonder why you even wanted to
@Jim and DonI prefer "just go away, Natalie".😁
I didn't realise there were ideological tests for these things. It seems
rather un American to me.
Trump says many things that would have made my smart parents to roll over in
their graves. His actions are the issues of importance. No other president
would have come to overturn this massive land grab initiated by President Obama
at the end of his term to deny fossil fuel development in Utah. The Democrats
and some foolish Republicans have drunk "The Green Kool Aid" and believe
carbon dioxide from burning coal, oil, and natural gas will cause catastrophic
global warming. Ask Mitt Romney where he stands on this issue. Would he
endorse letting Utah control its land? Trump is sitting the U. S. on
a course to great prosperity by have the U. S. have energy independence by using
and exporting our great abundance of coal, oil, and natural gas. Salt Lake City
has set themselves on the Democrat (socialist) agenda of using only clean energy
of solar and wind that will cost them higher utility bills and property
taxes.James H. Rust, professor of nuclear engineering (ret. Georgia
Utah Trump supporters reject anti-Trump opinions...... but go silent
as Trump soulmate Bannon trashes a fellow Mormon, and the missionary service of
Mormons.Slashing the monuments wasn't going to be pain free,
folks. Accept the price. You bought it.
Well said Ms. Gochnour. Unfortunately, our entire body politic seems to have
gone astray from objective measures of service and goodness and now exists
primarily for it's own benefit. Senator Hatch has become a big fan of
President Trump for who knows what reasons? While it appears that President
Trump is prone to move actions forward - the question is are they the right
actions for the right reasons?I can find plenty of fault with
President Trump's approach to a lot of things, but he fits right in with
the rest of our broken political system that appears to be corrupt on most
fronts. When the choice came down to Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, we knew
we were in trouble. I voted for Trump because I believed he was the lesser of
the two flawed candidates. So far, I think I was right but I also had hoped
for better. I pray that somehow our entire political system can right itself
and seek to serve and do good for our country and not just for itself!
I think this woman just set the record for I's in an article. It's
all about her whoever she is.
Nice try, Natalie. You got denied a clearance and were not told why. You
don't know why and pin it on politics. Since you are anti-Trump, your
convenient assumption creates a nice topic for your opinion piece. Has it ever occurred to you that we all know Trump is the most vilified
president of all time, and likely the most threatened? Agree with him or not,
like him or not, its hard not to say that the criticism and rhetoric against him
is well beyond anything we have seen in our lifetimes. And close to half of
America gleefully participates and applauds the caustic criticism and epithets,
and even physical threats of violence thrown at Trump on a daily--no, on an
hourly and minute-by-minute basis via the internet. Given the
hyper-partisanship in America today and the pride the Secret Service takes in
their most important job, would it really surprise anyone that the Secret
Service might, out of an abundance of caution, deny a clearance to someone who
really would not hurt a flea?So, blame it on politics if you want,
Natalie. But, you simply don't know why you were denied.
There will be a time when the Utah GOP delegation that did slobber all over
Trump will wish they had gone to a restaurant Monday morning.
Trump a disaster? IN what way. The economy is soaring and we don't have
tax cuts and why is that? Because he removed restraints on the economy put in
by socialist leaning people who want to reduce freedom. Central planning is
always a failure. Who would I want protecting me? Someone who
An old song Cry me a River!
I watched that dog and pony show at the Capital Rotunda. I had an eerie feeling
that it was staged and filled with actors told to play a part. Mike Lee was even
uncomfortable. The vision of what Trump and the GOP has done to this
country is sickening. He may be the fulfillment of early Church prophesies by
some Church Leaders that some day the "Constitution will hang by a
thread." Maybe the predictions are going to be true? But maybe
not by outside forces, but by those who refuse to stand for moral values and
honesty in their leaders.Get educated and vote!
Well written and on point.It was shocking to me this last
presidential election that Mrs. Clinton and President Trump came through their
respective primaries. Mrs. Clinton arrived there by cheating and President
Trump, I am not really sure why?With the second term election of
Prior President Obama, I have come to realize presidential politics often run on
inertia instead of rational thought and common sense. One party winning over
another is more important than putting a good person in office.At
the end of the day, I voted my conscience... the rest of you, not so much.
Oh, my. So glad to see there are folks who seem to think the "moral high
ground" is reserved only for themselves and others who think as they do."The evil that men do lives after them. The good is often interred
with their bones".😁
"The question isn’t why wasn’t I cleared. The question is why
were so many?"Thank you, Ms. Gochnour. I'm heartened by
the increasing number of conservatives voicing such thoughts. May liberals be
wise enough to join forces with them and excise this cancer represented by the
likes of Trump, Bannon, and Moore.
Ma'am, very noble, self-serving, whine. You've also been part of GOP
teams that have mocked, refused to invite staunch conservatives over the years.
You're being pretty hypocritical.
Some Republicans can't quit resenting Trump for defeating an army of
establishment Republicans in the Primaries. Some can't get over his style.
Some are avowed Never-Trumpers. Yet most Republicans can't find much
fault in Trump's agenda and accomplishment, e.g. Gorsuch nomination and
confirmation. What he has accomplished and what he hopes to accomplish has my
approval and support. I am sickened by Jeff Flake's and Mitt Romney's
wounded egos and their betrayal of long-standing moral and Republican
principles. Endorsing a liberal abortion-on-demand supporter over a
conservative defender of religious liberty seems odd for a Mormon politician.
This is one Democrat who finds the straight-shooting Republican Natalie Gochnour
a breath of desperatly needed fresh air. Go Natalie.
No. If its republican, you're all in. No speaking out.
You go, Natalie! I wouldn’t walk across the street to see Donald Trump but
if I had asked for clearance they would have turned me down, too. Let’s
just keep doing what we’re doing, calling him out.
Yep terrible. Being screened out would be the only acceptable result.
"Despite the fanfare witnessed by those who attended
TrumpÂ€™s visit, there was also a sense of palpable uneasiness
among Republicans. " Yeah, the one's that still have a
conscience. Everyone can see what a disaster Trump and his "team" have
become. Yet a lot of Utah politicians still blindly support him. That's
about as un-American as it gets.