How Utah, BYU, USU fared in national recruiting rankings

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  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 10, 2018 12:19 p.m.

    “Utah is and will stay in that 2nd tier.

    Jury is out on Sitake, but Utah's coach will never get them to the promised land. Kyle hates offense. Gotta be able to score. Enjoy years like last year. That's your future.”

    Because you say so? Stating your opinion as fact? 😂

    And Uw never played in the Nc game....They backed into a national semifinal & got absolutely smashed.

    They got there after playing against a super weak Ooc/beating Cu minus their superstar senior Qb/getting absolutely dominated @ home by Usc/barely beating us off a controversial punt return.

    And to equally deride Asu is downright hysterical 😭, seeing how Uw is 1-11 against them since ‘02.

    Nice try.

    And @ the heart of it all, is byu’s inability to ever beat us, ever.

    Midmajor forever.

    Go Utes!

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Feb. 10, 2018 9:02 a.m.

    @SCgrad - sad when Cougar fans stoop to this level because the football program has dropped off recently. A real USC fan would be trash talking with UCLA fans on a LA site and not on the Deseret News. Did you also go to the Tucson paper and trash the Wildcats? Go to the Oregon papers and trash OSU?

    Regarding USC, they always recruit well and Utah may never have a higher ranked class than the Trojans. Of course USC can't seem to go more than a few years without being punished by the NCAA for recruiting violations so at least you got that going for you.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    Feb. 9, 2018 7:37 p.m.

    Quote from Ute fan above:
    "Only Stanford, Oregon, USC, and Washington have been better."

    Get used to it. That bunch has dominated the PAC12 for 60 years. Look at AZ, ASU, OSU, WSU records last 50 years. About 1 Rose Bowl each. Utah is and will stay in that 2nd tier.

    As for evaluating talent on Star rating, take a look at pros and their star ratings. As I've said before: Coaches Matter Most. Look at Washington as an example. Jim Owens in the '60s. Three or 4 Rose Bowls. Don James also several Rose Bowls. Now Chris Petersen in 4 years: Pac 12 Champ, National Championship Game. Look at USC's great coaches vs average coaches. Look at LaVell Edwards. Stars don't matter much. The coach is all important.

    Jury is out on Sitake, but Utah's coach will never get them to the promised land. Kyle hates offense. Gotta be able to score. Enjoy years like last year. That's your future.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 9, 2018 3:59 p.m.

    “This year someone gave Tuttle and Romney 4 stars, but ESPN gave each one 3 stars.”

    Espn is notorious for paying little attention to West Coast kids & undervaluing them..

    Unless, of course, they commit to/sign w/East Coast schools.

    Had JT, for instance, taken Alabama up on their offer, he’d been rated by them as a 4-/5-Star recruit....Heck, even had he taken Usc up on their offer.

    I’ll take the significantly more unbiased guys @ 247Sports/Rivals, any-day, period.

    Go Utes!

  • CentralcoastUte San luis obispo , CA
    Feb. 9, 2018 2:57 p.m.

    @Sagerute
    "USC has consistently had the top recruiting class in the PAC12, but what good has it done them. A blowout loss to Alabama, Ohio State, and a 1 point win over Utah at home. When was the last time USC won the conference. No Utah hasn't even won the south, but we have either beaten or been extremely competitive against your Trojans, and that is with an average recruit star rating of about 40 compared to your Top 10 and sometimes #1 ranking. Makes you wonder what Utah could do with those high level recruits, USC sure isn't doing much with them."

    It also is indicative of how badly SC cheats. How can a team with that high quality of recruits consistently under achieve and then continue to recruit at the highest level if money isn't being used to bring kids there?

  • CentralcoastUte San luis obispo , CA
    Feb. 9, 2018 2:57 p.m.

    @Sagerute
    "USC has consistently had the top recruiting class in the PAC12, but what good has it done them. A blowout loss to Alabama, Ohio State, and a 1 point win over Utah at home. When was the last time USC won the conference. No Utah hasn't even won the south, but we have either beaten or been extremely competitive against your Trojans, and that is with an average recruit star rating of about 40 compared to your Top 10 and sometimes #1 ranking. Makes you wonder what Utah could do with those high level recruits, USC sure isn't doing much with them."

    It also is indicative of how badly SC cheats. How can a team with that high quality of recruits consistently under achieve and then continue to recruit at the highest level if money isn't being used to bring kids there?

  • arrogant chickens Sandy, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 2:07 p.m.

    TroyTown

    The arrogance of Utah fans is obviously starting to spill over from BYU smack to PAC 12 big boy smack.

    My guess is their arrogance is going to come back to bite them big time.

    The honeymoon is over and the gloves are starting to come off.

    Utah should have laid low and continued to hope that the Utes could continue to spring an occassional upset.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Feb. 9, 2018 1:45 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Last 20 years, Top 5 Final AP Rankings without cheating: Utah 2, USC 1."

    Obviously, you learned your math in Utah's school of cold fusion.

    AP Top 5 Rankings Last 20 Years
    USC - 8 total - 2002(4), 2003(1), 2004(1), 2005(2), 2006(4), 2007(3), 2008(3), 2016(3)
    Utah - 2 total - 2004(4), 2008(2)

    AP Poll History, weeks ranked All/Final...
    ...at #1 - USC 91/5, Utah 0/0
    ...in Top 5 - USC 282/39, Utah 9/2
    ...in Top 10 - USC 473/29, Utah 28/3
    ...in Top 25 - USC 764/49, Utah 115/8

    Unfortunately for U, Utah's window of opportunity has passed, and USC's recruiting classes of the last 5 years are going to dominate U going forward.

    The little red engine that couldn't is about to be exposed...

    BIG TIME!

  • UncleArtie Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 1:28 p.m.

    The only recruiting analysis I follow is ESPN, and every year the story is the same: traditional football powerhouses like OSU, USC, Bama, etc. get 12-16 4-star kids. Wannabees like Utah, Colorado, Arizona, BYU, etc. get 0-4 4-star kids.

    This year someone gave Tuttle and Romney 4 stars, but ESPN gave each one 3 stars.

    The biggest determinant of on-field team success is quarterback play. Over the years BYU's top QB recruits have all pretty much flopped: Steve Clement, Ben Olsen, Paul Shoemaker, and Jake Heaps; did I miss anyone? Feterick and Walsh turned out to be acceptable but average QB's; Marc Wilson got a lot of love until he was injured in his senior year of HS. Tanner Mangum's junior year was a flop - was it him or a weak supporting cast of RB's and WR's? - The coaches know, and they are not saying, which is the right thing to do.

    BYU's great QB's were all pretty much nobodys coming out of HS: Gifford Nielsen, Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Steve Sarkesian, and Brandon Doman. Most of them just had one really good year - but it was a year worth remembering.

    I like Zack Wilson - he comes out as the second best QB in Utah - that's what they thought about McMahon.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 1:20 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Utah is already competitive with 3 top 25 teams in just 7 years of PAC-12 recruiting."

    Utah is so "competitive", that the Utes are the ONLY PAC 12 South team that hasn't played in the CCG.

    Even lowly Colorado made it to the CCG before U.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Feb. 9, 2018 12:24 p.m.

    @ Spokane Ute - Spokane, WA - Feb. 8, 2018 11:06 a.m. - "worst season in 14 years, followed by the worst recruiting class ever. Look on the bright side; you only lost to Utah by 6 points last year."

    And yet you "mighty" Utes only beat us "pathetic" Cougars by 6 points.

    Let that sink in. Or have you already put your blinders back on?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2018 11:13 a.m.

    SCgrad - Thousand Oaks, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 3:12 p.m.
    I guess if you can't address the message you attack the messenger. As I've stated, stars do matter and that should scare all PAC-12 teams not named USC. With this type of class Utah will not be competitive in the PAC-12 south. They will do very well in the state of Utah (I guess that's their real conference based on this comment thread).

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    Your message reeks of Cougar envy, I can see why since your Team A is currently 5th in the state.

    Utah is already competitive with 3 top 25 teams in just 7 years of PAC-12 recruiting.

    Only Stanford, Oregon, USC, and Washington have been better.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2018 9:46 a.m.

    SCgrad - Thousand Oaks, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:40 a.m.
    I agree with Spokane Ute, Utah recruiting class should insure state dominance and PAC 12 mediocrity. It hard to ignore how a 5th place finish in the south looks good when comparing Utah's recruiting class to the rest of the PAC 12 south. I can see why they don't want to address the competitive issues within our conference.

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    Last 20 years, Top 25 Class Rankings:

    Utah 0
    USC 20

    Last 20 years, Top 5 Final AP Rankings without cheating:

    Utah 2
    USC 1

    You welcome!

  • Jackie Treehorn St George, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 9:45 a.m.

    gdog, your take is spot on. Utah was fairly young across their 2-deep last year, and had a couple more RMs joining the team this year than they typically do, so filling the class with guys who would likely be 2-3 year practice players before seeing the field wasn't necessary. They had a couple holes to fill in the defensive backfield, which they did with JUCO players Vonte Davis and Tareke Lewis (who is reportedly good enough to vie for a starting position over super frosh Jaylon Johnson). They needed a top WR with the losses of Carrington and Singleton, and Enis looks like an instant impact player, joining the returning Covey and highly touted Boyd. Last year was a transition into a new offense, so this year will be telling in how Taylor's offense performs. Barring any crippling injuries, there should be no excuses for an average or mediocre year this year or next.

  • Oh Really? HERRIMAN, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 9:06 a.m.

    BYU, please upgrade at AD.

  • hahnenbergerwk salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 8:04 a.m.

    AZUTE1
    And his name is Barney Fife

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 8:01 a.m.

    SCgrad,
    A true USC fan would know that he has no reason to disrespect Utah and would be offended by the likes of byu calling themselves a brand name and legacy program. Your true colors are glaring.

  • Voodohound-WIS Waukesha, WI
    Feb. 9, 2018 7:20 a.m.

    Sager Ute:
    The reason that Utah is somewhat competitive with SC, regardless of a gap in the recruiting rankings possibly could be explained with the frequency that those schools loose their talent to the NFL much earlier. Which is better a 4 and 5 star Freshman or sophomore or a 3 star Senior? I'm not arguing one way or the other. But statistically speaking the teams with the highest recruiting class tend to loose the most underclassmen to the NFL. I don't have stats but just looking, anecdotally, at the 2018 declarations, USC has 4 underclassmen who are entering the NFL draft while Utah has 0.

    Just a thought to explain the parity.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Feb. 9, 2018 7:15 a.m.

    Do you miss the good ol' days when the TDS 'won February' on their way to the pre-season national championship in football? Where are all those TDS fans now? Haven't heard from them in a few years now. . .

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 6:34 a.m.

    "you do realize beating a bad team is not better than losing to a good team"... Is what USC's bowl opponents keep saying.
    Right, SCgrad?

  • Caddis Terry, MT
    Feb. 9, 2018 6:33 a.m.

    Well, BYU fans, it is a reflection of where we are. All we can do is move forward and start the climb back. Its going to take a while.
    Go Cougs!

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 9, 2018 12:38 a.m.

    @who am I sir
    I wouldn't say best class ever. The Utes finished 25th in Rivals last year with an even smaller class in 2017. The Utes had 20 recruits which still was good enough for 25th. It could have been better. The last two classes have been smaller as the numbers have been down to accomadate the number of returned missionaries. Their scores count for the classes they were recruited in but only add scholarships to the present tally. But rankings aside, the RMs are still a good bunch. Both the ones kept and the ones flipped Utah's way formerly of BYU and Oregon State (Tafua and Moala). Tafua had 4 stars and Moala, a former Anderson/Sitake recruit is now at Utah. Don't forget Sione Lund (4* when recruited) who transferred from Stanford to Utah. And the recruiting class itself was pretty good. The rankings are funny. ESPN always has Utah the lowest each year with no ESPN contract? Then BYU gets the highest marks there with their ESPN contract. Rivals gives BYU their worst marks each year. And 247 usually produces BYU's middle score. Utah was highest on Rivals last year and 247 this year.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Feb. 8, 2018 9:50 p.m.

    Hey, I thought there was a new sheriff in town? 😂

    Go Utes!

  • UteinIdaho Sandpoint, ID
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:56 p.m.

    Pretty solid class, especially considering coming off of a 7-6 season. As much as I'm excited to see if Tuttle can match the hype, I think I'm most excited about an ESPN 300, 4* WR. That is a rare get for Utah.

    On a side note, man that Sitake master recruiter talk sure is panning out!

  • Hey Baby Franklin, IN
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:45 p.m.

    SC...reading your comments, one may think that USC is Alabama 2.0? Since Utah joined the P12...they have one 53 games. The Trojans have won 65.

    USC didn’t transfer into a new Conference during that period. They are a founding member of the Conference. Wouldn’t you think they would be expected to fare better than a new comer to a) the conference and b) the P-5.

    During that time USC has had (3) AD’s, (4) head coaches and NCAA violations a plenty.

    Maybe your pedastool needs some waxing?

  • SagerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 8:25 p.m.

    @SCgrad
    USC has consistently had the top recruiting class in the PAC12, but what good has it done them. A blowout loss to Alabama, Ohio State, and a 1 point win over Utah at home. When was the last time USC won the conference. No Utah hasn't even won the south, but we have either beaten or been extremely competitive against your Trojans, and that is with an average recruit star rating of about 40 compared to your Top 10 and sometimes #1 ranking. Makes you wonder what Utah could do with those high level recruits, USC sure isn't doing much with them.

  • SCgrad Thousand Oaks, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 5:42 p.m.

    @BraveSR. No need to retract. Utah's 2018 schedule "Weber State" FCS team. Our schedule zero FCS teams. Comes with true P-5 power.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 4:27 p.m.

    @SCgrad

    "You do realize that beating a bad team is not better than losing to a very good team."

    You may want to retract that comment - it blows BYU-Provo's scheduling philosophy completely out of the water.

  • SCgrad Thousand Oaks, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 3:12 p.m.

    I guess if you can't address the message you attack the messenger. As I've stated, stars do matter and that should scare all PAC-12 teams not named USC. With this type of class Utah will not be competitive in the PAC-12 south. They will do very well in the state of Utah (I guess that's their real conference based on this comment thread). I should follow Utah fans lead and bag on San Diego St. recruiting class since they are close to Los Angeles. As for winning a bowl game, most PAC-12 teams played tougher competition. You do realize that beating a bad team is not better than losing to a very good team.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 3:00 p.m.

    @Kralon
    "As BYU has 14? returning missionaries for next season's team and many of this recruiting class will immediately leave on missions, the ranking of recruiting classes is largely meaningless."

    Sort of true. It does result in a misleading representation of who they are getting for this season but generally BYU is still going to have these recruits so the downside is actually that a bad recruiting class gets spread throughout the next few years.

    "Except for notably last year, BYU has generally played above the player rankings for many decades."

    Definitely been representative of both Utah and BYU the last few decades.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 2:29 p.m.

    "Utah recruiting class should insure state dominance and PAC 12 mediocrity"

    $Cgrad:

    Not a good look, a coog in a Greek helmet.

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 1:50 p.m.

    SCgrad - Thousand Oaks, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:40 a.m.

    "I can see why they don't want to address the competitive issues within our conference."

    I agree. No Utah fan on the DNews boards will ever address it. They will always divert the topic to something else, like bowl wins.

    Utah has never won the Pac 12 South. Colorado has done more than Utah ever has as a P12 member. It's the truth and no Utah fans want to believe it.

    2008 will forever be Utah's 1984.

  • UteMiguel Go Utes, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 1:33 p.m.

    This is about where Utah should be in recruiting. They will never consistently beat USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, Washington (while Chris Petersen is there) in recruiting. They should be competitive with everyone else in the conference.

    What is impressive is how Whittingham and staff have for the most part competed favorably on the field with the big name teams that will always have higher rated recruits.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 8, 2018 12:24 p.m.

    SCgrad - Thousand Oaks, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:40 a.m.

    I agree with Spokane Ute, Utah recruiting class should insure state dominance and PAC 12 mediocrity. It hard to ignore how a 5th place finish in the south looks good when comparing Utah's recruiting class to the rest of the PAC 12 south. I can see why they don't want to address the competitive issues within our conference.
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    Let's address it; who carried the conference in bowl season. Why did USC embarrass the conference again? Your mighty recruiting classes sure looked dominant in that one point beat down at home this year. Why do you masquerade as a USC fan? That's kinda sad, but typical for Coug fans. After all, there sure isn't much to cheer for with your own program and you have to pull for other teams to do what you can't; beat Utah.

    Rise and Shout.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:47 a.m.

    Wow, Utah had a great recruiting year! Perhaps the best ever. The average for all recruits was over 10 offers and the average for all recruits was 5.6 offers from a P-5 team. And offers included schools like Alabama, Georgia, LSU, and of course USC, UCLA, Washington, in fact almost every PAC-12 member! Can't wait to see what the Utah coaching staff can do with these highly regarded recruits. Remember the Utah staff has been ranked number 1 in developing players to the NFL!

  • SCgrad Thousand Oaks, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:40 a.m.

    I agree with Spokane Ute, Utah recruiting class should insure state dominance and PAC 12 mediocrity. It hard to ignore how a 5th place finish in the south looks good when comparing Utah's recruiting class to the rest of the PAC 12 south. I can see why they don't want to address the competitive issues within our conference.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:32 a.m.

    On top of the recruiting class, Utah get Sione Lund back where he belongs.

    Go Utes!

  • Hoopty6 OGDEN, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:32 a.m.

    Zadock Dinkelmann decommitted from BYU (after decommitting from LSU). Did he re-commit?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:06 a.m.

    worst season in 14 years, followed by the worst recruiting class ever.

    Look on the bright side; you only lost to Utah by 6 points last year.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Feb. 8, 2018 11:05 a.m.

    We all know the star rankings are often wrong on an individual basis. On a team basis they have some meaning for most teams, but very little for BYU.

    As BYU has 14? returning missionaries for next season's team and many of this recruiting class will immediately leave on missions, the ranking of recruiting classes is largely meaningless.

    Except for notably last year, BYU has generally played above the player rankings for many decades. Hopefully BYU will be able to quickly return to that standing where the coaches are able to coach up the players and players are able to step up and execute better than expected. Go Cougars!

  • Aggieman1105 West Jordan, ut
    Feb. 8, 2018 10:59 a.m.

    who is Mike Wells? Utah State doesn't get the love and respect the other schools do.

  • Pipes Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 8, 2018 10:44 a.m.

    Things are looking grim for the future...