Allegations, allegations. The swamp is full of 'allegators'.
So we are now learning that mall security had a standing order to call the
police if they saw Moore approaching young girls at the mall.Evidently his behavior was widely known by many.Mia Love, is Rob
Moore's behavior sickening too?
Time to clean house and dismiss the entire congress. Let some one else have the
honor of serving our country.Three year terms would be fine.
@Marxist:"Apparently to at least some conservatives, personal
character matters not at all."This is why it is very difficult to have
a rational discussion with those of an extremist perspective. To come to that
conclusion of my point is simply ignoring the whole discussion.Of course
these women have a right to be heard. If they choose to do it publicly, they
have a right to be scrutinized. I hope they get help. They have not been
"under the thumb" of Roy Moore regardless of their feelings. A great,
competent counselor would help them realize that. Getting it all out publicly
may not help.Of course character matters. Of course we are all accountable
for what we do. Of course moral judgment needs to be a factor in electing
representatives. The ultimate judge of me, you, Judge Moore, and all of us has
the last word. We have a "Statute of Limitations" for many good
reasons. The best reason is that irrational, irrelevant (due to the human nature
that we have the ability to change and become better) charges cannot be held
over people indefinitely to punish enemies.How you get that my opinion is
"Personal Character matters not at all" from this discussion is grossly
@CH Cougar So its alright to sexually assault someone as long as it was 40
years ago? As far as passing judgment is that not what he did for many years
before being twice removed for misconduct? Are you saying we should not have a
judicial system that holds people accountable when they commit such acts? On
what basis should we make our decisions about who we want to represent us,
should moral character not be a factor? I thought his claims of wanting to
restore religious moral character was the very platform he is claiming to run
@Jimbo Low "We should not be dredging up the past to judge others. I
don't know Judge Moore, but I love his politics and think he will be a
fantastic Senator.I don't know Harvey Weinstein, but I loved
"Good Will Hunting" and some of his other films and think he was a
fantastic Film Producer.Matthew 7:1 - Judge not that ye be not
judged."These women have felt shame their entire lives, and have
felt under the thumb of Moore their entire lives. Finally the climate allows
them to confront him. He deserves it.Whatever happened to the
conservative view that "character matters?" Apparently to
at least some conservatives, personal character matters not at all.
I guess the Weinstein effect gave us 1 week of taking sexual assault allegations
seriously before drifting back to assuming accusers are liars unless proven
@Tolstoy:"So all I have to do is live long enough and my sins no
matter how egregious...."So which of Judge Moore's "sins"
(verifyed by.....Gloria Allred apparently) should have a Statute of Limitations
greater than 30 years? Signing a yearbook? Hanging out at the mall?Wow--Tolstoy I do have a bible and it says however you judge is how you will
be judged. Better hope your life is squeaky clean if you are condemning Judge
Moore for these actions about 40 years ago.
We should not be dredging up the past to judge others. I don't know Judge
Moore, but I love his politics and think he will be a fantastic Senator.I
don't know Harvey Weinstein, but I loved "Good Will Hunting" and
some of his other films and think he was a fantastic Film Producer.Matthew
7:1 - Judge not that ye be not judged.I don't want to be judged or
remembered at my worst moments. For those rushing to condemn others in this new
"enlightened tabloid environment", I would suggest living a perfect life
or you may find your "Judge Moore" moments extended and over-analyzed
with the requisite condemnation awaiting your actions at the Judgment Bar.
@CH CougarI was not aware that sins and morality had a sale by date. So
all I have to do is live long enough and my sins no matter how egregious are
irrelevant and I am golden? Where exactly was that in your bibles, hand written
in the margins maybe?
"No one asked for the resignation of a former commander & chief."That is absolutely FALSE.Don't forget, he was impeached
even though the Senate vote to remove him from office fell short by just one or
two votes. That was as disgusting and wrong as it was to allow the current
president to be inaugurated and as wrong as it will be if Roy Moore is permitted
to join the Senate.Make America Sane (and Safe) Again
A lot of Republicans view abortion as the ultimate evil, and consequently view
the very worst the Republican party has to offer as preferable to any
Democrat.If Republicans decide that someone who forces himself on
underage girls is a tolerable candidate, they'll have reset the bar even
lower than Trump left it.
If these allegations are true, the last time they should have been discussed was
1984. Stretching it to 1999 would be almost laughable. Discussing them now is so
outrageous we have collective insanity. Mike Lee, Mitt Romney, Jeff Flake....you
are actually paying attention to tabloid journalism of 40 years ago? You should
be ashamed to call yourself Christians.If these women are actually
suffering from these events 40 years later--they need counseling and tools to
move forward. If they are lying, exaggerating, politicizing--they should be
absolutely ashamed to be part of the new "National Enquirer" frenzy (put
forward by the alleged "mainstream" Washington Post). Having
Gloria Allred come forward with this woman will almost certainly give the race
to Moore. To solidify it, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson could weigh in as well
(if they could somehow bring race into the equation). Liberalism and their dirty
tricks are repulsive to the people of Alabama and good people everywhere.
Why do the "Family Values Voters" seem to ignore these values when it
comes to politics such as trump and Moore?
So do you believe Roy Moore or the women accusers? For all the talk
of "liberals" turning a blind eye to Dems, Anthony Weiner's fall
and prison sentence says it all that liberals don't tolerate sexual abuse
of teens. And liberal Hollywood is indeed addressing the problem of sexual
harassment and misconduct with many disgraced actors, directors, and producers
now being shunned by the entertainment establishment.Moore's
situation? So far, some GOP are shunning him, but others are sticking up for
him and accusing the women of lying, which creates a problem for the GOP's
position with women in general. Once again, along with Trump, women are being
ignored or discredited in favor of the powerful men representing today's
gun-toting, Bannon-based GOP. The more the GOP tolerates Trump,
Moore, and their ilk, the more likely women will support candidates that support
their plight in society.
Whenever sexual allegations are brought up against a political leader it's
always "But the democrats", "But the republicans." I think
it's pretty obvious that sexual misconduct transcends political boundaries.
It's become a product of our culture. So instead of smearing mud on the
other political party (because both are guilty), how about we evaluate how our
CULTURE (not our political ideologies) sexually exploit women and how that
exploitation drives the ideology that women are objects of sexual pleasure and
not actual human beings that can think, have feelings, and can make their own
Where is all this morality coming from?No one asked for the
resignation of a former commander & chief.Why is the media and
politicians creating public opinion?
@one vote: "He should not withdraw because Trump will campaign for
him."Excellent. We'll see immediate ads with the Access
Hollywood tapes, and Trump's various obscene braggadocio comments on Howard
Stern and other shows. That will showcase the "Family
Values" and religious integrity of the republican candidate.
Do the Republicans not have another candidate they could run? Someone free of
allegation?If Roy Moore clears the accusations, great! He can run next
time.If all the Republican choices are dirty, sure -- go ahead and run
Roy Moore today: "We are gathering evidence of money being paid and that is
why we are filing suit."Good luck with that. The Washington Post
vets their articles much more than Breitbart and the Enquirer do. That is one
reason they have published newspapers every day for the past 140 years. Trump
and Weinstein threatened to sue everyone too. Breitbart has sent a team of
"reporters" to Alabama to try to destroy these women. It is hard to
imagine how much pressure they are under right now.Steve Bannon and
Breitbart are the Republican Party these days and that's a toxic virus
voters are not likely to forget in 2018.
So how exactly is the attempts at deflection and rationalizing going on in this
thread in keeping with conservatives claims of moral authority or thier constant
demands that people be personally accountable? How can a man that has shown a
wanten disregard for the law run on a religious morality platform? How can
anyone not see how conservatives continue to undermine their own claims of the
importance of religion in establishing and maintaining a moral society?
@Vanceone " The left has absolutely zero problems with this, including the
posters on this site. They defend Bob Menendez completely. "I'm not sure you know what the American "left" is. But I know.
I belong to the Socialist Party - USA. We are leftists. We believe the ENTIRE
political establishment of the United States is corrupt. Moreover, we believe
the relationship between the sexes is equally corrupt, and the sex abuse
scandals emerging are evidence of this.
"Now we are seeing the results of the hippy generation, including Bill and
Hillary. Their free love outlook at life is affecting the entire country"Yes, I'm sure that the views of a 70-year old, ultra-religious
evangelical from Alabama on child molestation were deeply shaped by free-loving
hippies, who as we all know are best exemplified by Clintons.The
mental gymnastics necessary to tie the Clintons to all evils borders on
What kind of sick mind justifies sexual assault.Republicans are
standing out from the Trump crowd.I am glad there are a few good
moral republicans in Congress.
@DN SubscriberHollywood, whom many Repubs say are all Dems, are the
ones holding sexual predators accountable. Now, instead of hemming and hawing,
Repubs should get off the fence and put country before party regarding Roy
It beggars the mind that Moore supporters don't care about his behavior.
You care about Bill Clinton, and yet a man who molests children is okay? That is
something completely foreign to me and I can't imagine feeling that way.
Even Hannity cannot spin out of this. Hannity has bet his show and future on
District Attorney Moore.
Now we are seeing the results of the hippy generation, including Bill and
Hillary. Their free love outlook at life is affecting the entire country
Crooked politicians and media are the ones deciding who our representatives
are.A twenty trillion dollar nation debt is evidence of their
dishonesty.In all honesty! People don't know if Moore did
these things or not.
If Roy Moore signed Ms. Nelson's high school yearbook, as alleged, that
would seem to be compelling evidence he abused his authority as district
attorney. Of course, compelling evidence to you and I means nothing
to Alabamians, Trumpsters, and Bannonites.
Moore and his defenders don't have a leg to stand on.Sorta' like the person in the White House.And just like the
man in the White House, I wonder how many "bots" and Russian trolls are
commenting here and elsewhere to defend these two molesters.
@say not BO"I'm still trying to figure out the meaning of the
word "is.""Your comparison is good, really good but there is a
more contemporary one to use. Just go back and listen to the Billy Bush tape or
numerous Trump interviews on Howard Stern if you want to add credibility to your
opinion. In those cases the politician didn't deny disgusting, immoral
activity but actually admitted to sexual assault and the people still elected
@DN Subscriber wrote, "Okay, I believe Moore's accuser too.
But, I also believed Jennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey and Juanita
Broderick."Clinton's a sleaze. You've brought him up
many times already. He was not, as far as anybody knows, a child molester. Are you suggesting that a consensual affair with an adult person not
your spouse is grounds to keep you out of public office? If so, let's
examine the history of every politician, regardless of party, and boot them
out.And there is now a fifth woman accusing Moore. She was 16 at
the time. And the encounter she describes was definitely not consensual.Of course, Moore will deny this, like he's denied the other
accusations. And the loyal Republicans will believe him...just like Trump
(allegedly) believes Putin. Either that, or he really, really
wants to change the subject, and quick. There are a number of possible
reasons. All of them are downright scary.
Gimme a couple of decades to form an opinion about the Moore allegations.
I'm still trying to figure out the meaning of the word "is."
If I were inclined to support for Roy Moore before these allegations came to
light (which I was not for other reasons), I would still support him. This is because, if the allegations are fully proven at a later date, Congress
impeach and expel Moore from the Senate.This basically very similar
to the case of Robert Menendez who is currently the senior Senator from New
Jersey. Senator Menendez has been indicted on corruption charges. If found
guilty, I would expect Congress to impeach and expel Senator Menendez.The principle here is the one popularized in the 90s, that we do not want to
overturn elections based on allegations yet to be proven in a court of law.
"What do they say about Bob Menendez, Democrat senator from New Jersey,
accused of having sex with two underage girls--far worse than anything Moore is
accused of?"Geez, you folks can't even engage in
whataboutism competently.The sources for the accusations against
Menendez were so thin that no mainstream journalists were willing to touch a
story claimed by an alt-right blog with little to substantiate itself.
Investigations of the sources by US journalists and the Dominican Republic
police turned up several women who admitted to being paid to make false
allegations. In the meantime, Menendez is on trial for corruption and no one is
defending him against that.The WaPo vetted its sources thoroughly,
citing 30 of them as part of the story. The degree of investigation is what has
Mitch McConnell on the record as believing the allegations.And
bringing up Menendez does absolutely nothing to absolve Moore. Nothing. The
excuses being trotted out by his defenders only serve as evidence of complete
moral bankruptcy for the sake of political expediency.
@JSB, @Subscriber, @No Names, @Joe, @Vanceone When one has no
intellectual point to be made begin the tactics used by the Supreme Leader! (1) Delegitimizing media(2) "Whataboutism" (3)
TrollingFurthermore. Clinton nor ANY democrats are the subject
matter of this particular issue! Regardless of the nauseating attempts at once
again desperately trying to defend the indefensible. Thank you and keep digging!
Shaun and Impartial 7---You really should do some research into the Kennedy
family and the Kennedy Administration. This kind of thing has been acceptable
to Democrats for decades and had never been party-specific when it comes to
hormones controlling what those in power have done. Remember King David?As in independent, in my view McConnell should have had the sense to
exit stage left (or right, perhaps) at the same time as John Boehner from Ohio.
That would have done more to drain the swamp than anything and why the Senate
membership keeps electing McConnell as their leader is just amazing. The guy
can't accomplish anything but receiving take-home pay. (But even
that's universal in the Congress, isn't it?)
joe5,Why are the Clinton accusers still out there? That is easy.
Fox News trots them out every few months to divert attention from another
republican blunder, and the women are willing to continue to be out there in
public. Why aren't the Trump accusers out there? I am guessing Fox News
doesn't want them and the other news stations have to much journalistic
integrity to use those women in such a way. There are also some of them that
are currently in the legal process. Others have decided that they prefer to
move on and keep their lives private. Being out in the public on FOX News all
the time does not make you any more or less honest than someone who chooses a
Situational morality; that pretty much describes conservatives.
Remember, all of these Senators that are calling for Moore to quit; all of these
Leftist posters demanding the same....What do they say about Bob
Menendez, Democrat senator from New Jersey, accused of having sex with two
underage girls--far worse than anything Moore is accused of? And far more
credible evidence too than a Democrat campaign worker coordinating a hit piece
with the Washington Post.Why, the Senators and leftist posters all
run to Menendez's defense. The left has absolutely zero problems with
this, including the posters on this site. They defend Bob Menendez completely.
Including McConnell, including Lindsey Graham, and John McCain. Senators having
sex with minors? A-OK as long as you are a Democrat. Proven, solid fact. Else Menendez would have everyone calling for his head. But no, despite
him being in a trial with tons of absolutely incriminating evidence, I am not
aware of a single Senator calling for his resignation.... but they all want
Moore to resign.Stick to your guns, Judge Moore! Don't let
them railroad you, because the left is absolutely and utterly hypocritical and
shameless, plus their GOP-e enablers like McConnell.
@dn subscriber"Okay, I believe Moore's accuser too.But, I also believed Jennifer Flowers, Kathleen Willey and Juanita
Broderick.How come Democrats always get a pass on sexual misconduct
and Republicans are crucified?"seems like i remember clinton
getting impeached~~hardly a pass.you have had some just awful
republicans who always get a pass. newt gingrich has fling with young gal (who
later becomes his wife) while existing wife is bedridden with cancer. rudy
giuliani actually moves woman into the mansion in new york while still married
to someone else.
RE: "McConnell, Roy Moore each insist the other should quit"Ha!I agree with BOTH Roy Moore AND McConnell on this one.Hey DN Subscriber -Re: "How come Democrats always get a pass
on sexual misconduct and Republicans are crucified?"Bill Clinton
may have carried on illicit affairs, but he was wasn't a child molester.See the difference yet?" . . . take Joseph and Mary.
Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of
Jesus.” . . . “There’s just nothing immoral or illegal
here,” - Ron Ziegler, Alabama State AuditorPedophilia is not a Democratic thing.
By the way, the feeding frenzy of men like Romney and Lee make it so I can never
vote for them again. Romney in particular has been a victim of false accusations
himself so he should be smart enough to not jump on something like this without
more than a WAPO hit piece. Until and unless these charges are proven to be
true, I will never case another vote for these political predators who forfeit
any integrity they may have had with the quick and unfounded jump to judgment.
DN Subscriber,I am not sure how you the democrats have a double
standard. You can find democrats who have forced out for sexual accusations
including Presidential Candidate Gary Hart. Republicans were very
loud about their condemnation of Bill Clinton and his "alleged" sexual
misconduct with adult consenting women, and I think he should have resigned. I
would think they would be even louder on alleged sexual misconduct with
teenagers. The republicans are in a box, Moore basically admitted to
dating teenage girls in his 30's with Hannity on Friday. That alone is
completely wrong and unacceptable. Knowing that he was a 30 year old dating
teens, it is not that hard to go to the next step, that he was sexually
inappropriate with at least one of them. The democrats for the most part are
sitting on the sidelines and letting the republicans execute another one of
their circular firing squads.As far as blaming the press come on get
a new line. They are simply reporting the news. Are they biased sure they ALL
bring the bias as does any other human, but lets give up the act that somehow
because FOX says they are "fair and balanced" that there is any truth in
McConnell has no credibility. He's just being political and know suburban
woman are not only leaving the party but raising candidates that will beat many
incumbents. This is the man who pledged to make Obama a one term President,
obstructed everything for 8 years and even withheld the vote on a Supreme Court
nominee for nearly a year. His comments today were nothing more than political
maneuvering as well. Moore, his personality and votes will be in line with most
of the other Republicans in the Senate. It's a done deal. Alabama will
elect the twice removed federal judge just like the national party elected a
self proclaimed groper and admitted fraud artist as their party's standard
Where are Clinton's accusers? They, especially Broaddrick, are still in the
news and still claiming they were raped and still claiming that they were
silenced by Hillary. Their stories are still solid and consistent.Where are Trump's accusers? Vanished, vaporized, disappeared. Their
stories were full of holes right from the start and when the holes became too
big, the accusers faded into obscurity.Which accusers appear to have
been honest and which appear to have been merely politically expedient?Now let's look at the Moore case. The stories are already starting to
fall apart highlighted by the most condemning accuser having her story refuted
by her own mother. Of the four accusers, she was the one to claim sexual
impropriety. The others claimed an older man dated younger women who were no
longer minors.Based on the track record of WAPO and past history
with Clinton and Trump regarding the credibility of their accusers, why are
people accepting this story at face value instead of questioning it?I don't know if Moore is guilty of these charges but they sure look
sketchy to me. But Dems have never been accused of being smart, just easily led.
Allegations from Democrat employees on the eve of a special election, after the
primary is over, are highly suspect. They reek of the worst kind of
politics.If Moore is a perv, he didn't stop 30 years ago.
Bring forward some allegations of recent enough behavior that we know there is
an on going problem. Otherwise, get enough evidence of criminal conduct for at
least an indictment.Whether decades old allegations are from whole
cloth, or whether there is some truth being warped by current sensitivities due
to allegations out of Hollywood, is not reason to destroy a man's
reputation.So far as I've read, Moore has not been accused of
any sexual or physical assault, but merely of socializing with someone younger
than 2017 New York society thinks proper. Get an indictment for
criminal conduct, find evidence of ongoing mproper conduct in the recent past,
or drop the witch hunt.
I say PLEASE elect Roy Moore!Now, let explain why I think that --
Alabama is like Utah -- a blindly RED republican state.They would
vote for any empty suit with an R next to their name.I can only hope
Alabama and other states [like Utah] if you are going to vote Republican
no matter what, might as well the vote in the most outrageous, silly, and
obnoxious characters imaginable.The sooner the GOP fails, the sooner
they can snap out it the Trump mess they created, and can fix themselves....
A man is innocent until proven guilty. No one should disagree with that if
we're talking about the criterion for a criminal conviction. But the issue
here is qualifications for election to public office.Moore can say
to the people of Alabama, ‘I am not a convicted sex offender.’
That’s a truthful statement. But what kind of a recommendation is that for
election to the U.S. Senate?
He should not withdraw because Trump will campaign for him.
Senators McConnell, Lee and others stand up for principle. Thank you.
@dn subscriberI wouldn't say democrats always get a pass. That
is just your perception.
Mitch McConnell shows a rare moment of courage in urging Roy Moore to step
aside. But the Republicans may pay a price for that if Roy Moore is elected to
the Senate. He will create nothing but acrimony there if he's elected.
And he probably will be elected.
I don't like McConnell. However, got to give him props for speaking out.
Too many GOP leaders just want to keep their heads down and tacitly approve of
any member of their party over principle. Good job Mitch. (This should make
If it's true, how is he any different from Biden or Trump or Clinton?
Sounds like a double standard.
Okay, I believe Moore's accuser too.But, I also believed Jennifer
Flowers, Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broderick.How come Democrats
always get a pass on sexual misconduct and Republicans are crucified?That is not to encourage easier treatment on Republican perverts, but equal
justice for all, and equal treatment by the news media whose double standards
are blindingly obvious.