Trump's immigration remarks lambasted from left and right

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  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 12:22 p.m.

    No one knows what the President really believes. He has not established policy through the normal processes for Congress to have an Agenda or road map to discuss on an open and civil basis.

    He hasn't shown consistency through his Tweet statements to help people understand what our Chief Executive is and wants he wants to accomplish today or tomorrow.

    He strikes out at those that appear to go against his desires and current statements.

    He doesn't hold a news conference and it will be interesting to see his actions and hear his words during the State of the Union. Congress invites him for that opportunity to express the goals of the country and what has taken place in the past year.

    He will be on notice from the American people and foreign nations as they decipher what he is really saying. This past week he has piqued the United Nations Human Rights Commission's interest due to his remarks about certain countries that are members of the world community and the United Nations.

    Allies will be listening between the lines to hear what his intent is or what he really means.

    If he speaks with dignity and respect for all citizens of the United States of America, that is truth.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Jan. 13, 2018 8:25 a.m.

    Hey Prelax -

    Re: "This country was started by Europeans (Caucasian) yet they are being socially engineered from a majority to a minority. "

    Wrong.

    Did you know that more Americans have German ancestry than anything else? That’s because Europeans used to flock to this nation.

    Now, that's no longer true. Germans don't want to move to America anymore. Neither do Finns. Neither do Brits, Norwegians, Swedes, Hungarians, Swiss, Dutch, Belgians, Danes or the French.

    Why? . . . Because compared to these “socialistic” states, America under GOP leadership is quickly becoming one of those "s---hole countries" Trump talks about. Why would a citizen in a progressive prosperous country enjoying good governance want to immigrate here to America?

    Finns have the best education system in the world. Its poorest people enjoy better health care than America's middle class. Germany has strong employment and capable workers because of their government-sponsored apprenticeship programs.

    And America? America has Republicans attempting to weaken our government even further.

    Not-so-great America can only attract people from countries with even weaker and more ineffective governments.

  • prelax Murray, UT
    Jan. 13, 2018 1:27 a.m.

    Percent of Green cards given 1999-2008 (we give over one million green cards each year)
    Non-Hispanic Caucasians were given 16.0% of the green cards.
    This group comprise 11.3 percent of the world population
    Africa were given 7.3% of the green cards.
    This group comprise 14.9 percent of the world population
    Asia were given 33.8% of the green cards
    This group comprise 59.7 percent of the world population
    Hispanic were given 36.0% of the green cards
    This group comprise 6.2 percent of the world population

    This country was started by Europeans (Caucasian) yet they are being socially engineered from a majority to a minority. I think this discussion is the tip of the iceberg. Notice the low number of cards going to Africa also. Why are some nations being favored over others?

  • YBH Sugarland, TX
    Jan. 12, 2018 6:03 p.m.

    @JWB - Kaysville, UT
    "I cannot believe the President would consider these people less than human."

    I doubt that is what the president considers, more likely, he simply considers those countries far less than USA, like millions of Americans do. DJT was just not polite enough or reserved enough to keep it to himself.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 3:14 p.m.

    Father of four,

    I am hoping a conservative will mount an Independent challenge to the GOP. I would support an Independent conservative running against Trump and the GOP.

    I will not support a Democrat campaign for president, or at least very unlikely.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 2:47 p.m.

    Having lived overseas in various locations, our nation is known for safe places to live with law and order, security and libert and freedoms not seen in other countries.

    The lady that wrote the Colossus, for the Statue of Liberty, Emma Lazarus,of Portuguese Sephardic Jewish descent, worked as a charitable volunteer with immigrants on Ward Island at the Castle Garden immigration center. During this time, she was deeply moved by the plight of immigrants, especially those detained.

    The Statue of Liberty is a world renowned symbol of freedom and opportunity. Immigrants on ships until the 1960s when airlines became the transportation system, were thrilled to see that symbol.

    According to the National Park Service, “Lazarus' famous sonnet depicts the Statue as the "Mother of Exiles:" a symbol of immigration and opportunity - symbols associated with the Statue of Liberty today.”

  • common sense in Idaho Pocatello, id
    Jan. 12, 2018 2:40 p.m.

    Hey Vanceone - Where on earth do you get the idea that Democrats believe that everyone in the whole world has the right to come to America and get welfare and government assistance for life?

    Please explain and show proof with specific examples please.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 2:18 p.m.

    I have a dream...that all those people fed up with Trump will relocate to a better place, like Haiti or El Salvador.

    But it is only a dream. They won't even keep their promise and move to Canada.

    Those who know the truth, the people who left those countries, know Trump is right. They love it here and want to bring in all their relatives.

    That's the thing about black holes; no one wants to live there.

    Trump is shattering the narrative that the USA is a bad place and that we should be more like the rest of the world.

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 2:14 p.m.

    His remarks should be lambasted because they show who he really is. He has blatantly shown he is not the president for all citizens, just the "right kind" of citizens. Appalling.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 2:13 p.m.

    So three questions for all those appalled and horrified that Trump doesn't want to import the entire nation of Haiti and put them on the government dole and instead would prefer to have more Norwegians:

    1) Does every single person in the world have a right to come to America and be put on our welfare rolls and get government benefits for life like the Democrat party claims?

    2) If not: what is the criteria we should use to keep out the undesirables?

    3) If so: Why don't we just conquer the world and make everyone an American in their own city and town?

    Corollary to question 2: If Haitians are not on the list of undesirables, then who is? We already know most of you demand unlimited Muslim immigration, the more angry and criminal the better; so they are out. If Haitians are not on the list of undesirables, then isn't your answer to question 1 really "There should be no limits at all" and thus, you must face question 3.

  • Hagoth Hayden, ID
    Jan. 12, 2018 2:11 p.m.

    I would like to read what was actually said versus hearing what a bunch of biased politicians said. Seems people on this thread just like to jump to conclusions. Also why are we taking any emigrants in, isn't it time these countries step up and take care of their own problems, so their citizens do not have to leave? Let us help other countries to become strong themselves.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:43 p.m.

    Senator Hatch called President Trump the best President ever, and that was after Access Hollywood came out and now he has to defend the best President ever.

  • YBH Sugarland, TX
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:37 p.m.

    @FatherOfFour - WEST VALLEY CITY, UT

    Norway is still a market based economy, a Capitalist country. Only in some socialist way of wealth re-distribution.

    And no matter how Socialist/Capitalist debate goes, Haiti is still very under-developed country, not even anywhere close to Norway.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:37 p.m.

    Mia Love has Spoken about the DJT’s decadent words in context on immigration.

    However, the other members of the Utah delegation have not responded properly to these irreverent and harassing comments by the President.

    It really isn’t too different about people from certain countries than in the Access Hollywood about women, our mothers, daughters and spouse.

    Having lived in 6 countries in Central and South America and in Germany and the Philippines and traveled in 30 other countries over the past 51 years, the United States of America has been a light on the hill to the world. We have had Presidential, Legislative and Justice dignity and diplomacy over the centuries globally.

    The people from these areas and countries are children of God and should not be relegated to the President's considered status. The trophy wife to what he termed the people yesterday are from foreign countries. All people should be treated with respect.

    Having worked with professional engineers, administrative personnel, scientists and military personnel from more than 80 countries of various ethnicity, cultures and backgrounds, I cannot believe the President would consider these people less than human.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:21 p.m.

    The sad thing is, Trump is still a better choice than Hillary.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:21 p.m.

    @ illuminated

    "Fake news. Americans love the truth and they love their President!"

    Of course you would. The 30 percent who still approve of him and carry around tiki torches and Nazi flags will always love a racist like Trump.

    Fortunately, 70 percent of the country doesn't agree with you.

    Can't wait to wipe out the GOP in the midterms and impeach Trump!

  • YBH Sugarland, TX
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:13 p.m.

    @viejogeezer - CARLSBAD, CA

    At the time when The new Colossus was engraved on the Statue of Liberty's lower level, Chinese exclusion act was just made permanent by Congress, and that exclusion was later extended to all Asian immigrants.

    And of course people from Africa were not allow to immigrate in the first place at that time. Basically that poem on the Statue of Liberty was speaking for the European immigrants.

  • FatherOfFour WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:12 p.m.

    @Vanceone - Provo, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:07 p.m.

    "Norway is one of the most advanced countries in the world."

    It is also one of the most socialist countries in the world. Haiti is a product of capitalism.

  • FatherOfFour WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:10 p.m.

    @David - Centerville, UT

    While I appreciate your willingness to help a true conservative defeat Trump in 2020, there is no way that will happen. As the incumbent, his party will not have primary elections. Primaries are held either by the party not in power (in this case the democrats) or at the end of two terms where both parties are selecting a new leader. Trump is the candidate for the GOP by default of incumbency.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:07 p.m.

    The capital of Haiti does not have a sewer system. Human waste is literally piled in the streets. Norway is one of the most advanced countries in the world.

    Our leftists are appalled and horrified that someone might express an opinion that we should have more Norwegian immigrants and less immigrants from a country that cannot even build a sewer system. Our Navy ships literally have to be decontaminated every time they do anything with Haiti. (Note that a large part of this problem is because the Clintons robbed Haiti blind).

    Let us here note that given the demonstrable differences between Haiti and Norway, to immediately jump to racism must mean that you yourself are racists. It cannot be that Haiti really is the literal definition of third world hole and Norway is an advanced country... no, the only possible reason is racism. Right?

    That makes you leftists the racists. Without question.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 1:04 p.m.

    The irony is his supporters finding Trump's words and actions refreshing even while it heavily tarnishes our reputation over seas and diminishes the office of the Presidency. Yet, they are appalled when a silent, black man takes a knee during the national anthem to express his opinion. Our next President is going to have spend his first year in office on an apology tour visiting the billions of people Trump and America has offended.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:48 p.m.

    I feel confident that if it was Bill Clinton, or Barack Obama that had spoken this way, Republicans would be in an uproar.

    But because Trump is a Republican, and all that seems to matter anymore is winning at all costs, many Republicans are just fine with Trump.

    This is deeply disturbing and wrong.

    I will state it now--as a conservative, I will donate and work to make sure a true conservative replaces Trump in 2020.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:44 p.m.

    I am saddened and bit frightened by the comments made by those who still support the president.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:44 p.m.

    I am shocked and saddened, even appalled by Trump.

    I am also shocked and saddened that there are so many on these comment boards that find Trump's language, position, and descriptions acceptable, even admirable.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:34 p.m.

    Under our political system, the policies and consequences resulting from Trump's personal racial biases are imputed to all Americans. Unfortunately the system spreads culpabilty even to those who did not vote for Trump.

    Not so for the Republican party.

    Republicans chose Trump as their candidate. On purpose. From a field of over a dozen choices.

    Republicans -- by and large -- are also remaining silent.

    Deliberately.

    Hiding under the covers, waiting this issue to blow-over before being found and asked for an on-the-record comment.

    Thus the GOP -- and not Trump -- is the problem America needs to fix.

    Trump is a predictable hazard...a passive, slow-moving iceberg in the North Atlantic on the night of April 14, 1912.

    Republicans are the ones at the helm of the Titanic, ignoring the warnings and running at full throttle, knowing that only a fraction of the passengers would survive if it sunk.

    America will survive Trump and the GOP. The rule of law will deal with the former, and the rising generations of voters will marginalize the latter.

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:24 p.m.

    Not shocking to see the Trumpistas here defending vile, racist remarks by Trump.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:19 p.m.

    All the Senators and congressman are lying not the Donald. He is totally in control and seeing how low the gullible will go. This is just the most extreme reality game to the Donald.

  • viejogeezer CARLSBAD, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:17 p.m.

    Perhaps we should change the inscription on the Statue of Liberty

    Give me your blonde of hair and eyes of blue
    But keep your poor and those of darker hue
    Send these, the rich and beautiful to me
    I lift my lamp to other scoundrels too

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 12, 2018 12:08 p.m.

    Frozen Fractals--you can help people without having them moving into your house and using up your bank account.

    Let's broaden the view. There are are many ways of helping people.

  • YBH Sugarland, TX
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:53 a.m.

    President Trump is a proud American, maybe too proud, to see countries like Haiti, Sudan, as the same way to see USA or Norway. and I doubt anybody in the world would see those countries as favorably as western developed countries.

    Sure, his language is in-excusable, but people should move on, and try to figure out a way to make Haiti a better country.

  • Yuge Opportunity Here Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:49 a.m.

    Trump clarified his statement. He said: "It is both a right and a responsibility of a democratic society to manage immigration so that it serves the national interest."

    Oh wait. My bad. That statement was made by Barbara Jordan in a report to Bill Clinton in 1994.

    It seems we've created a new political divide by insisting on bringing needy immigrants here.

    Jordan further said: "The Commission recommends the elimination of the admission of unskilled workers. Unless there is another compelling interest... it is not in the national interest to admit unskilled workers. This is especially true when the U.S. economy is showing difficulty in absorbing disadvantaged workers and when efforts towards welfare reform indicate that many unskilled Americans will be entering the labor force."

    It seems that these days Barbara Jordan would be called a racist.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:47 a.m.

    Oh, remember the quaint times of yore?

    Obama ordered dijon mustard and wore ill-fitting jeans and FoxNews went ballistic.

    Or, remember when he "debased the office of the President" by taking off his suit jacket in the Oval Office, or saluted with a coffee cup in his hands?

    Oh, the horror! Fox News lambasted Obama and claimed he was dividing our nation for such outrageous behaviour.

    Now we have Fox News defending Trumps racist rhetoric, every time it comes spewing out of his mouth-hole.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:40 a.m.

    Trump finally got Democrats to call themselves "Sh****rs" on live television. Within one year of his Presidency, priceless.

    He's driving them nuts and I just can't get enough of it. MAGA! Go Trump!

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:38 a.m.

    @christoph: "Hollywood is full of bad words..."

    Not one person is concerned about the "bad words." Absolutely nobody.

    We are outraged at the open racism expressed by Trump.

    How he said it does not matter. What he said is the problem.

    Some of the best and most giving people I know drop the "F bomb" in every sentence. Their words are not their worth, not how they are judged - what their words *mean,* how they talk about people, how they treat people... that is the key.

    Trump, in this simple exchange, clearly and unquestioningly revealed who he is. Not the word he used, but what he said.

    And it is unacceptable.

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:34 a.m.

    Fake news. Americans love the truth and they love their President!

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:32 a.m.

    I wonder how many Haitians, Somalians, Ethiopians, etc. have labored on Trump construction projects? I'm betting it's a lot more than immigrants from Norway.

  • Silver Stingray St George, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:27 a.m.

    He may be vulgar, but the man speaks his mind and that is refreshing.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:24 a.m.

    @worf;
    "People of have embraced vulgar words. It's become common in everyday American television shows, movies, and conversations. Why the hostile reaction?"

    @Christoph;
    "Hollywood is full of bad words, and so is culture of east and west coasts; I've lived short periods of time on each coast. Nothing new here."

    It's not the word. It's Trump labeling anyone coming from those countries as undesirables, while proclaiming we need white immigrants from "decent" countries, like Norway. I sure hope that you really know the difference and are just commenting for argument's sake. "Bad words" is not the issue. The issue is the President of the US using vulgar language to label entire populations.

  • joegdi St. Louis, MO
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:24 a.m.

    Heaven help us ... is there no limit?

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:23 a.m.

    Frozen Fractals --we don't need to bring the world to our country. This planet is large enough for all people. Would you bring your neighborhood to live in your house?

    If you want to help people, --fix the area they currently live in.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:08 a.m.

    @worf - "We don't need to import liberal voters"

    Trump denigrated immigration of people from countries in the developing world - people who probably already know about how to work hard & appreciate freedom...

    ... while asking why we can't get more people from a highly socialistic Scandinavian country.

    Defenders of Trump (and Republicans in general) are being made fools of by a man who is so far out of his depth it's both apparent, and alarming.

    Example: He clearly agreed in the meeting broadcast on TV that Democrat Diane Feinstein's idea of a "clean DACA bill" was perfectly fine, and then responded to Republican Kevin McCarthy that Feinstein agreed to have the wall built, which was also clearly not the case.

    It's going to get worse...

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Jan. 12, 2018 11:02 a.m.

    The Nazis say the Nordic people of Germany and Norway as the "purest Aryans."

    Trump just declared that we need more people from Norway and nobody from countries where people are black and brown.

    This was not vulgar. It was not rude. It was pure and open racism.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:54 a.m.

    Kudos to Mia Love for denouncing Trump's comments, and to Hatch for at least saying something.

    What about Lee, Bishop, Stewart and Curtis? The delay in their responses is troubling.

    Are Utah's representatives capable of a timely, straight-forward response, like Mia Love, or are they seeking help in precisely calibrating a political response?

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:53 a.m.

    @worf
    "Trump was not describing the people, but their living conditions and leaders."

    Except for the part where he doesn't want those people coming here...

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:52 a.m.

    Trump denied it. That should be good enough for the gullible.

  • christoph Brigham City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:45 a.m.

    Hollywood is full of bad words, and so is culture of east and west coasts; I've lived short periods of time on each coast. Nothing new here.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:44 a.m.

    People of have embraced vulgar words. It's become common in everyday American television shows, movies, and conversations. Why the hostile reaction?

    In many countries, the people are trapped in poverty. It's the result of evil leadership. It's been that way through our history.

    Why not fix the country they live in, rather than bringing them here to the USA.

    Trump was not describing the people, but their living conditions and leaders.

    In some cases, the people voted in their evil leaders in their home countries and would likely do the same here. We don't need to import liberal voters.

  • mightymite , 00
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:36 a.m.

    Leaders of many public and private organizations have been forced out for comments and behaviors that Trump exhibits. There has been clear and unquestionable demonstration that his character flaws make him unfit to serve in his post. Shameful for his behavior and even worse for those who coninue to justify his actions.

  • waikiki_dave Honolulu, HI
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:19 a.m.

    You know what is the worst thing about Trump's comments, the fact that his most ardent supporters don't call him out on his bigotry but instead continue to cheer lead him on and support his MAGA agenda and why? . . . because they believe 'the ends justify the means'. Truly pathetic.

  • viejogeezer CARLSBAD, CA
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:18 a.m.

    I find it hard to believe that we (evangelicals and Mormons) chose this individual as our political standard bearer and are largely responsible for his election.. He is antithetical to everything we believe yet we elected him because of his ostensible support of our two favorite social issues and that he calls himself a Republican. SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2018 10:14 a.m.

    Just another lie to throw on the Mt Everest sized heap of lies he tells on a daily basis.

    Dude, quit lying about things that are easily provable. Your base won't care, but everybody else in the country does.