Utah House passes right-to-try bill, rejects cannabis growing, dispensing measure

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  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 5:40 p.m.

    The legislature might want to get out more... there is plenty of gardening going on right now in the beehive state

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 2:41 p.m.

    coloradoblue -

    “Call your lawmakers and get them to kill this law. If you don't you will regret it like we do in Colorado”.

    Not according to the Denver Post Doc! The “we” you mentioned are clearly in favor of Colorado’s laws...“Each side of the legalization debate has its own narrative and spin on how Coloradans feel about legal cannabis nearly four years after voting overwhelmingly (54.8% to 45.1%) to legalize it — and nearly three years after implementing those recreational sales. A new poll suggests Colorado voters do not have buyer’s remorse. A majority of Colorado voters say legal cannabis has had a positive impact on the state and its economy and they would not support a repeal of Amendment 64 if it were on the ballot this year, according to a new poll commissioned. {Denver Post 9/20/16}

    “It is a lie to say that nobody ever died of a Marijuana overdose. We've had dozens in Colorado”.

    Nonsense! Prove it. Cited source material please. A simplistic Google search reveals otherwise Doc. As a “physician” one should be aware there has NEVER been a documented case solely of a marijuana overdose. Period!

  • coloradoblue Grand Junction, CO
    Feb. 10, 2018 2:18 p.m.

    The stupidity of this law is that non-medical people are making medical laws. As a physician I can say that it is impossible to determine if someone is going to die in 6 months. If the State supplies "medicinal" marijuana then people will complain that it isn't strong enough and push for more options like legalized recreational marijuana. Once again, there is no such thing as "medicinal" marijuana. Call your lawmakers and get them to kill this law. If you don't you will regret it like we do in Colorado. It is a lie to say that nobody ever died of a Marijuana overdose. We've had dozens in Colorado.

  • mrjj69 bountiful, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 2:06 p.m.

    I have heard judges and police say if you don't like the laws, work to change them. Don't just pick and choose which laws you are willing to obey. Now lawmakers are doing just that. Subjecting the state to federal government oversight.

  • brotherJonathan SLC, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 2:04 p.m.

    @utahpatients -This is simple my fellow Americans
    Ask/Demand your attorney-
    give their sworn affidavit on this filed legal proof -
    drug offenders discovery rights have been denied.
    I will help you win your fight against Drug Monopoly Law.
    Truth will set U free

    (filed w-UAG,DOJ,DA Sim Gill,3 fed.& 6 UTsupreme Judges)

    1-doctors aren't under oath of office (Constitutional Oath to uphold citizen equality or be impartial in all their duties)
    2-Doctors sell Government Use Permits- Like the ATF - & are only private business venture.
    3-Doctors being private citizens- not under oath- get to keep the Gov. Permit fees, which are temporary causing strong monopoly powers with pharmacies- blocking free markets rules of pricing, sales & distribution to all citizens with equality.
    4-Doctors special powers of a public office & forced compliance with unconstitutional law-
    Clearly blocks access of a needed commodity unless accepting the elite citizen powers given to doctors of medicine & governments fees needed to own or purchase commodity needed to treat personal pain, anxiety, & chronic illness.
    Conclusion-denial of rights based on Drug Prohibition with PreScription Clause
    sign:true_
    sign:false_

  • Lib on Planet Zion Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 1:46 p.m.

    AZ

    “The Utah House made the correct decision..”

    Incorrect! 10th Amendment anyone? Trump and the enabling faction continued screaming exactly this regarding the A.C.A. Trump also stated very clearly he was leaving legalization to individual states.

    “ScienceBasedMedineOrg, there have been "wildly unsubstantiated claims" about marijuana for which there...”

    They also state much more besides what you cherry picked. Do you also agree with the science regarding man’s involvement with climate change? How does anyone “study” if the government doesn’t allow such studies?

    “Marijuana users find they have problems with learning and memory while under the influence...”

    Nonsense! You would be aware of this how? Furthermore. Marijuana never hindered my ability obtaining 2 Ivy League degrees. How about yourself? Furthermore. How many deaths occur annually due to marijuana overdoses? Zero! How many deaths annually regarding guns? Thousands!

    “if someone really wants to use marijuana recreationally, they should move to California or Colorado”.

    So you favor the identical treatment the Mormon pioneers experienced? Couldn’t imagine the outcry if liberals applied this ideology elsewhere.

  • dlarsen Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 1:46 p.m.

    One Reader- Ever thought that when so many States individually decide that a Federal Law may no longer apply. That perhaps Federal Law may be behind the times? The Fed's need to start in their own backyards if they are so adimate concerning enforcing this. They reap the financial benefits in Washington D.C. of legalized Pot. Yet, tell other States to enforce it? It is simply because they have not been able to collect taxes of this market yet. That's it. It is all about the money, and Utah wants the proofits and the taxes; and is trying to find a way to maintain complete control of the market. Just look at alcohol and the Prohibition. This is just history repeating itself. The Law Makers know that when 76% of the population approves of anything, it should be done! They know they cannot stop it from happening soon. Therefore they are scrambling to try to appear to compromise.

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 1:40 p.m.

    AZ

    “The Utah House made the correct decision..”

    Incorrect! 10th Amendment anyone? Trump and the enabling faction continued screaming exactly this regarding the A.C.A. Trump also stated very clearly he was leaving legalization to individual states.

    “ScienceBasedMedineOrg, there have been "wildly unsubstantiated claims" about marijuana for which there...”

    They also state much more besides what you cherry picked. Do you also agree with the science regarding man’s involvement with climate change? How does anyone “study” if the government doesn’t allow such studies?

    “Marijuana users find they have problems with learning and memory while under the influence...”

    Nonsense! You would be aware of this how? Furthermore. Marijuana never hindered my ability obtaining 2 Ivy League degrees. How about yourself? Furthermore. How many deaths occur annually due to marijuana overdoses? Zero! How many deaths annually regarding guns? Thousands!

    “if someone really wants to use marijuana recreationally, they should move to California or Colorado”.

    So you favor the identical treatment the Mormon pioneers experienced? Couldn’t imagine the outcry if liberals applied this ideology elsewhere.

  • dlarsen Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 1:35 p.m.

    Bernard Gui- Tell us about how Seattle Wa was voted the best City in the nation for homeless, and opiate addiction programs? How about the Lottery. Does that go down a evil road as well? The way Seattle was able to fund these programs was not a raise in taxes (In
    fact Washington State has no State taxes except on Marijuana)! Yet, the 1.6 Billion made in taxes the first year from this product was obviously put back into the community. Regardless if you choose to use Marijuana (Or even don't support it), this tremendous influx of money and jobs benefits everyone. Utah's idea of 'helping" the homeless means; taking 68 million dollars to arrest, and hide the problem. Basically the entire budget to police. No end game to actually establish treatment, no funding plans, and no real care what happens, as long as it looks like it worked! This could be a Huge opportunity for the State, as well as retail businesses. Point being; if Marijuana has "No Medical use, and is highly addictive"; why allow it for sick people, right? That's what no medical use means. They are worried about breaking federal law by allowing use. Yet, if the patient is terminal, they will? Being in pain longer is better?

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 12:47 p.m.

    It should remain illegal in respect for federal law, but it should also be scientifically tested by the FDA because of its apparent effectiveness in some cases. Both sides have legitimate cases. Test it! Let's have more light and less heat. Get together, folks.

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 11:22 a.m.

    ... This should have been added to the end of my last message which got accidentally sent before I was finished... if you could add it:

    Having to bring Cannabis in from out of state will make it less available and more expensive for those who need it.

  • Captain Green Heber City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 11:19 a.m.

    The benefits of medicinal cannabis are so significant that it should be made available to patients needing it. Having to bring it in fro out o

  • AZ Eagle ,
    Feb. 10, 2018 10:38 a.m.

    The Utah House made the correct decision. People with severe pain and terminal diseases can get whatever help they desire.

    According to ScienceBasedMedineOrg, there have been "wildly unsubstantiated claims" about marijuana for which there is no scientific evidence. The website reports that only 8 percent of patients with neuropathic pain find some relief and patients with other pains report no relief at all with marijuana compounds. "Adverse affects are plentiful."

    Marijuana users find they have problems with learning and memory while under the influence. Later they feel increased appetite and sedative effects. The herbal plant hops, which is similar to marijuana but without the hallucinations, also increases the appetite and produces a sedative effect.

    I agree with other commenters that if someone really wants to use marijuana recreationally, they should move to California or Colorado.

  • mchampneys Spanish Fork, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 10:26 a.m.

    Prohibition didn't work and drug laws don't work either. It's plain to see for anyone willing to see. Drug laws create a black market and cost us billions of tax dollars in enforcement. People who want to abuse drugs still get them. Law abiding people who need them sometimes can't get them. The laws are also a huge barrier to medical research and innovation. There is no evidence that drug laws reduce addiction. Drug laws simply create many many more problems than they solve.

    We need to do away with the drug laws and focus on education and FREEDOM. "Teach correct principles and let them govern themselves."

  • Liberal On Planet Zion SLC, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 10:15 a.m.

    Bernard GUi -

    “Once on this path, recreational marijuana follows as sure as night follows day. We just learned that our county in Washington is permitting a pot growing and processing facility in the middle of our residential neighborhood, complete with high razor wire..”

    Nonsense and propaganda! Marijuana use never hindered my ability and efforts required in order to obtain 2 Ivy League degrees. How about yourself? Please cite the name and location of this “processing facility”. Furthermore. I’m certain the identical logic would be applied if rather a “processing facility” there was an automobile lot or another secured “facility” also equiped with the identical type of security cameras and razor wire. Correct?

    “If pot is truly suitable for prescription, then study, standardize, regulate, and prescribe it out of pharmacies just like all other medicines”.

    Stop with the low information! Especially prior to infringing upon my “personal freedoms”. The same “personal freedoms” used by the extremist, alt-right to discriminate against those solely based upon sexual preference. How would one specifically “study” marijuana if the government does not allow such studies? Thank you.

  • Rocket Science Brigham City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 10:13 a.m.

    Kolob is a good example of the bottom line push for full and unrestricted use of MJ.

    Why can't the issue of changing federal law to allow medical MJ be where the emphasis is? There are bills in congress, the political atmosphere is right to pass and the President would sign for medicinal use of MJ.

    What is the reluctance to use the proper federal approval for medicinal MJ?

  • dlarsen Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 10:10 a.m.

    Sadly, this has nothing to do with the pain and suffering of some; and the fact that people are adults! 76% of the population is in favor of this bill. Therefore it should not matter how on Representative may "Feel in Good conscience"! It should be his job to represent his voter's wishes! No, this is all about the money. Utah does not care about the federal law (Otherwise why give it to anyone as it is a Schedule 1 Drug). They can clearly see the tremendous economic advantages in legalized States, and they are not stupid! If Marijuana is recreationally sold in Washington D.C., I don't think they are going to come after us. It was the subtle little mentions of State control, and sale of product not being allowed by retailers that is very telling. With legalization also comes a self sustaining Hugh money train. It can bring jobs, stimulate economy, and benefit everybody (Regardless if you use it)! But, the State wants to reap the profits, and the taxes (Much like alcohol); which presently they cannot legally do. They would have to report their profits o the Feds. Instead of following the example of successful legalization states, vote it down?

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 9:55 a.m.

    I am against taking marijuana and turning it over to the exclusive use and development by the pharma companies. They will dilute it and gouge the public.

    It doesn't take a genius to grow and cultivate marijuana. And it shouldn't make you a criminal to cultivate what one needs for one's own household. Let's keep it simple and allow self cultivation with reasonable limits to prevent wholesale distributuion.

    While I am writing this comment at least 100 Utahns of the upper crust, the 1%ers, are enjoying a joint in the privacy of their home(s). It is time for all to do the same.

    You think Utah?

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 9:36 a.m.

    "Doesn’t the Bible tell us that ‘EVERY’ plant/herb is made for man’s benefit?"

    Ask Socrates about hemlock.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 9:14 a.m.

    Pretty soon everything important in Utah is going to have to be accomplished by ballot initiative. Important issues that are supported by the vast majority of Utahn's get ignored. The Legislature can still meet and pass the inane stuff they usually pass, Allcohol laws, State Gun, State Oil Rig, State Dating Service, etc. They can still call themselves representatives and get their motels and per-diem , but the people will vote on important issues.

  • Taterhead West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 9:12 a.m.

    People screaming about "potheads" and "dope smokers"...
    You mean like the girl in the wheelchair in the photo? Yeah, she looks like a HUGE problem, a massive user of weed. I'm really concerned about her being behind the wheel. Even the ballot initiative doesn't allow smoking.
    C'mon, people. compassion. Think of the children.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 9:08 a.m.

    Cannabis or marijuana isn't going anywhere. It is here in our community to stay. Has been here a long before the American Revolutionay war and will be here long after the Yugest War of Wars that is coming soon ala Donald Trump. We know how to examine and predict the sex lives of frogs but we can't determine the medical quality of a plant that the kids have been smoking for centuries.
    Or the real truth of it is, we don't want to admit that marijuana could be put to a medicinal and recreational use in our society. God forbid that the kids have been right all along !

  • Paysonite Payson, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 9:05 a.m.

    Move to California if you want pot and everything else. I moved from California to Utah to get away from all that craziness. Listen to Bernard GUi from Washington. There is wisdom in what is said.

  • Taterhead West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 9:02 a.m.

    So many people saying we need to follow federal law. Well, the law is flawed, and the majority of voters in this country feel the law should be changed. Same thing, here in Utah. It's being challenged on the federal level as well as the state level. But I find it ironic that so many people holler about state's rights, and minimizing big government... until it comes to this plant.
    I applaud the voters for running with this ballot initiative, to change a law. Laws get changed all the time, that's what our legislature does.
    The camel's nose is not in the tent, and here's why: The only way recreational gets legalized is if the legislature passes a bill. That'll NEVER happen. Or a ballot initiative... but with 73% of Utah voters opposing recreational adult use, it won't pass at the ballot box. I'd be willing to bet the majority of people reading this will be dead and gone before recreational even stands a chance of passing at the voting booth.
    Welcome to the 21st Century, Utah. You'll probably never even notice the difference, except pain and suffering will diminish.

  • The_Real_Moondogg Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 8:47 a.m.

    Percocet, OxyContin, Hydrocodine, alcohol, tobacco, those are all fine and dandy, right? But talk about legalizing marijuana and everyone loses their minds. I’ve never heard of anyone becoming a heroin addict from marijuana, but sadly, that’s a common problem for a lot of pill poppers.

    As ubiquitous as marijuana is, these legislators should see it as another revenue stream they can legalize and tax. That way everyone’s happy. People who could benefit from marijuana can use it legally and the politicians get their money.

  • dski HERRIMAN, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 8:21 a.m.

    I can use it but there is no place to buy it? What are they thinking? When did we lose common sense? Doctors should determine who should get it, not these politicians whom I only sometimes trust. Decisions like this makes me wonder if my trust was misplaced.

    Abuse happens despite the stringent rules we put in place, whether it is opioids or illegal drugs. We adjust our rules and keep moving. Many patients have been given sixty days to live and they ended up living years. I am a disabled veteran. I live with pain almost everyday. Had surgery on my ankle yesterday. That was my ninth military service related surgery in the last twelve years. I take my opioids sparingly. As I write this post, although my ankle is throbbing with pain, I’ve stopped using my opioids. I have no plans to be an addict. I am trying a home remedy voodoo my grandma told me. There is a decent amount of whiskey in this recipe. I consider myself a very strong LDS member like most of the politicians in the Capitol. Guess what? The Good Lord helps those who help themselves. Bottoms up! Medical marijuana next? I’ll never say no.

  • ERB Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 8:04 a.m.

    Sorry potheads, even if you get medical marijuana and some day in the future recreational pot, that doesn't mean you can smoke your pot whenever and wherever you want. Even in Colorado you can't smoke in most hotel rooms and you can still get fired for having it in your system at work, or arrested for DUI. It's still a dangerous drug. You're freaking out about Utah going to .05 on BAC. Why exactly do you want to drive after drinking at all?

  • Jeremiah Flanksteak Sandy, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 6:11 a.m.

    I don’t see the uproar by people about whether or not a PLANT is legal. Doesn’t the Bible tell us that ‘EVERY’ plant/herb is made for man’s benefit? C’mon folks, end the paranoia. Cannabis should be legal for medicinal and recreational use.

  • CharlieBrown Bloomington, IN
    Feb. 10, 2018 6:00 a.m.

    Medicinal pot has just become a convinient way for a lot of recreational users to open the gates for their bad habits. If you want to be a pot smoker move to California. I think the state in this case was right and moved just far enough to allow it in the worst case of illness.

  • LadyMoon Crestucky, FL
    Feb. 10, 2018 5:51 a.m.

    Brigham Young was once quoted as saying that a farmer should dedicate one quarter of an acre to grow hemp, though its hard to imagine every farmer required a quarter acre of rope. With this rich heritage in using this useful plant, why is Utah lagging so far behind the rest of the country in benefitting from the therapeutical benefits of the naturally healing
    properties of this too long besmirched and misunderstood commodity.

  • Patricia Silverman Wauchula, FL
    Feb. 10, 2018 5:21 a.m.

    all those against cannabis in any form have been brainwashed by the feds, they claim it has not medicinal value and then they hold a patent on the medicinal use of cannabis, and all those who talk about the nose under the tent or the disaster that is coming after are just afraid of loosing money, facts are opiate deaths down 25% in states with dispensaries. and all the social parameters get better, seriously you all need to do your own research cause the fed lie to make money

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 3:07 a.m.

    Gunny sacks, twine an rope are from hemp. May be the plastic industry is involved.

  • Jeremiah Flanksteak Sandy, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 11:36 p.m.

    It’s a plant folks. A natural plant. Mother Nature approved. Y’all have nothing to fear. Relax. Take a deep breath. Now that wasn’t so bad now, huh!

  • 1Reader Alpine, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 10:59 p.m.

    Having and supporting the rule of law is hugely important. Just being one more state to ignore federal statues makes society weaker overall.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 8:54 p.m.

    It is understandable Utah doesn't want to get involved in grows and all the problems that come with that. But, they should be willing to get involved in dispensing in the way of pharmacies with security and careful monitoring that dispense a multitude of other drugs and medications. Many far more dangerous that medical marijuana could ever be. They should focus on quality control and forms other than smoking like oils and other things. They don't have to sell edibles. They sell liquid morphine. Some cancer drugs that have some forms of THC in them.

    Calm and reasonable heads need to prevail in addressing the issues and concerns. When it comes to that the far right and far left are not helpful to the discussions.

  • 112358 Alpine, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 8:54 p.m.

    This is wrong on so many levels. It's unscientific. It violates federal law. It will lead to more drug addicts.

    This only benefits drug dealers and pot pushers eager to make a buck as society pays the price.

    The camel's nose is in the tent.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 9, 2018 6:24 p.m.

    What a bunch of junk. Thousands of people in perpetual pain for decades are denied cannabis, forced to opioids, until they only have 6 months to live? Do any legislators listen to what the overwhelming majority of the people want? Vote them out.

  • Bernard GUi Puyallup, WA
    Feb. 9, 2018 6:10 p.m.

    Once on this path, recreational marijuana follows as sure as night follows day. We just learned that our county in Washington is permitting a pot growing and processing facility in the middle of our residential neighborhood, complete with high razor wire fences, security cameras, and lights. Wonderful. Utah, don’t go there. If pot is truly suitable for prescription, then study, standardize, regulate, and prescribe it out of pharmacies just like all other medicines.