Trump laments that 'mere allegation' can destroy lives

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  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Feb. 12, 2018 12:15 p.m.

    The president is 100% correct. Allegations should never equate to guilt but in this lynch mob circus we see today in America where the media frenzy swings wildly with political correctness and suddenly the court of public opinion replaces an actual court of law. Having said that I do agree women need new laws to protect them from abuse in marriage....physical or mental. Let's write new law through congress and not the media!

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 11, 2018 10:44 p.m.

    He obviously doesn't care about the lives that have been ruined by abuse including ones he ruined as well.

  • JaneB Wilsonville, OR
    Feb. 11, 2018 6:05 p.m.

    Sarah Huchabee Sanders said Trump's position is that all the women who have made accusations against him are liars. That is the official White House position. Case closed. Well that's convenient for them, isn't it?

    As Politico noted, Trump always believes the men. Even though there are well-documented. credible accounts from all the women who have accused people like Porter, Moore, O-Reilly, Ailes, etc.

    Do men realize how much courage it takes for a woman to come forward with allegations?! What is in for them? They are ridiculed, harassed and not believed. What woman in her right mind would want that sort of attention?

    Plus, do you really LIE to the FBI? You make up stuff to the FBI? I don't think so.

    Trump's misogyny is par for his course. He simply doesn't care about people, and especially women. Period. But I am very disappointed in Hatch's comments. They were simply reprehensible.

    It's now wonder people like me left the GOP. I was a Republican all my life until Trump won the nomination. Just look at Trumps poll numbers for educated white women. They are abysmal, and for good reason. I cannot see any good reason why a woman would want to be part of the new GOP.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Feb. 11, 2018 5:52 p.m.

    TeachyMcTeacherPants,

    Helping millions of people stay in their homes?

    Sorry, but you don't do that by robbing others. Theft has never been a right answer.

    I would never take your hard earned money and give it to my neighbor.

  • louie Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 11, 2018 1:21 p.m.

    I just have a hunch but I believe far more lives are destroyed or significantly altered by abusers than by the alleged victims of abuse.

  • TeachyMcTeacherPants Sandy, UT
    Feb. 11, 2018 9:38 a.m.

    I love how when Hillary Clinton uses and unsecured email server the right will get angry about national security, but when Trump has multiple people in his cabinet that don't have security clearance they give it a pass.

    I love how when Barack Obama tried to raise the debt to help millions of Americans stay in their homes, the Right was up in arms. But when Trump raises the deficit it to pad the wallets of billionaires, they give it a pass.

    I guess national security and the deficit is cared about by no one.

  • Susan Quinton Draper, UT
    Feb. 11, 2018 8:16 a.m.

    Unrepentant progressive- we can only hope. I don’t have a lot of faith that women will be believed since power is so important and has been for thousands of years. Working in film has shown me the double standard- lots of talk about “times up” and also lots of movies about abusing women and hiding the truth. If you want to escape “me too” as a woman, you HAVE to protect yourself. Seems like DC women are in the same boat. We were talking about Porter with some male friends, and I said that no woman would ever date him now, and they laughed and laughed. They said abusive men will date and re-marry endlessly as other women will never believe the ex-wives and girlfriends, the courts, the bishops, friends, and their own family.

  • RC in WJ WEST JORDAN, UT
    Feb. 11, 2018 8:15 a.m.

    Unrepentent posted: "How very rich, how very ironic and how very sad that this comment emanates from the president."

    Very well said, and may I respectfully add to your list, " and an abuser himself"

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Feb. 11, 2018 8:07 a.m.

    We're all waiting for the chickens to come home to roost on the "mere allegations" against you, Donald. Your turn is coming (if your enablers in Congress ever grow a spine).

  • emb Pleasant Grove, UT
    Feb. 11, 2018 4:38 a.m.

    The President is correct. emb

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Feb. 11, 2018 12:33 a.m.

    Unbelievable. Mr. Trump has yet again completely ignored the facts and defended an abusive friend. How many are we up to now? Mr. Trump surely seems to defend a lot of abhorrent behavior whether found in dictators or abusers. I'd be more supportive if he showed more respect for principled and courageous people.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 5:31 p.m.

    Standard Form 86 is long and not very complicated. It has basic rules and consequences listed below.

    All questions on this form must be answered completely and truthfully in order that the Government may make the determinations described below on a complete record. Penalties for inaccurate or false statements are discussed below.

    Withholding, misrepresenting, or falsifying information may affect your eligibility for access to classified information, eligibility for a sensitive position, or your ability to obtain or retain Federal or contract employment. In addition, withholding, misrepresenting, or falsifying information may affect your eligibility for physical and logical access to federally controlled facilities or information systems. Withholding, misrepresenting, or falsifying information may also negatively affect your employment prospects and job status, and the potential consequences include, but are not limited to, removal, debarment from Federal service, loss of eligibility for access to classified information, or prosecution.

    Easy to understand? It is not a family owned business that the President of the United States is running.

    I don’t want Russians winning!!!!!

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 4:49 p.m.

    Trump should know he has made an art of making (false) allegations against others.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 4:13 p.m.

    An abuser isn't just a guy with an over-active libido. He has a pathology which is well defined but which is hard to explain. Most don't get better even with extensive counseling.

    The abuser never shows his pathology while dating. The woman only finds out about it after the knot is tied, and then she has a terrible time being believed because her abuser appears so normal to the outside world.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Feb. 10, 2018 3:56 p.m.

    Trump laments that an allegation has ruined lives.

    How very rich, how very ironic and how very sad that this comment emanates from the president.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 3:28 p.m.

    @DaveWY
    "We used to try people in courts of law and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty standard protected someone from being penalized unfairly. "

    Which is why this guy isn't facing criminal or civil sentencing. Losing their job doesn't require proof of guilt.

  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Feb. 10, 2018 3:11 p.m.

    Susan Q

    Maybe we have all grown up and now see that abuse doesn't have a party label. Women are finally believed.

    That Clinton escaped more than impeachment and a legal slap on the wrist does not mean that others should not be pursued.

    It is not about party anymore. It is about respect and believing victims.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 3:00 p.m.

    @Daedalus,Stephen;
    "@Impartial7...
    Indeed.
    But at least Trump hasn't praised Porter's left hook.
    Yet."

    C'mon, Stephen. You know Trump would never praise anything from the left

  • Susan Quinton Draper, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 2:35 p.m.

    This is not a Trump thing. This is an endless DC parade of “protecting and defending your own party”. Look at Bill Clinton and his cowardly acts and how they blamed the women too.

  • 1aggie SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 2:07 p.m.

    DaveWY
    "We used to try people in courts of law and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty"

    That's what happens when people are arrested and charged with a crime.

    But there is a different process for people applying for different jobs in our federal govt. --and/or employees who work at companies which have federal contracts.
    Different jobs have different security clearances and screening processes. The FBI becomes involved in screening people for some of these jobs and vetting the information they get from personal interviews, background checks etc.

    Rob Porter knew there was a documented temporary restraining order against him. He knew
    there was a picture of his ex-wife with a black eye. He could've simply bowed out of consideration. But he chose not to and those who hired him ignored the evidence and looked the other way. He simply did not meet the security standards required for his position.

    Trump sets the bar. Sadly, the bar is practically non-existent, which puts our national security at risk.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 10, 2018 1:17 p.m.

    @DaveWy,
    Making excuses for Washington or State politicians is not a solution to the game of dirty politics. The privileged people elected to office or working for the peoples government must be of the highest character and integrity to represent the people, and set an example of excellence. They need to avoid even the appearance of wrong doing. To act so cowardly and then blame it on women victims for asking for help and justice is not acceptable in the eyes of god or man. Where is man's shame and women's rights against wife ( or any woman's) abuse. Trump promised to clean up the swamp, it smells worse every new day.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 1:12 p.m.

    @DaveWY;
    "We used to try people in courts of law and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty standard protected someone from being penalized unfairly. The new standard is to accuse someone of behavior in the media and destroy their reputations without a trial or ability to present evidence."

    Perhaps if you listened to sources other than FOX News and AM radio, you would have learned that there are police reports and restraining orders, issued by a judge, that kind of ruin your "innocent until proven guilty" excuse.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 12:37 p.m.

    Employees have baggage. Period.

    Sometimes it shows up at work.

    Most people have something in their past that they didn't confess when they were hired.

    The only solution I can see is that candidates for office and their staff need to be in place before they reach puberty. That should take care of it.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Feb. 10, 2018 12:06 p.m.

    Trump is completely tone death to these issues. Part of it is generational ( seems Hatch has the same issue ), and part of it is a rich male entitlement attitude that is so pervasive in some crowds.... one that has very little respect for women themselves. I feel for his daughters and wife...

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 11:51 a.m.

    Porter worked for a US Senator after those alleged abuses and would have been in a position to need a security clearance.

    Great men stick together in high offices.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Feb. 10, 2018 11:39 a.m.

    @Impartial7...

    Indeed.

    But at least Trump hasn't praised Porter's left hook.

    Yet.

  • BobThom Lethbridge, 00
    Feb. 10, 2018 11:39 a.m.

    @Impartial7 I believe he is writing the book (if he can write) or making a video. In years to come historians will look at him as a perfect example of what not to say, do, write, condone etc. etc

  • DaveWY Afton, WY
    Feb. 10, 2018 10:27 a.m.

    We used to try people in courts of law and the presumption of innocence until proven guilty standard protected someone from being penalized unfairly. The new standard is to accuse someone of behavior in the media and destroy their reputations without a trial or ability to present evidence. Should we be concerned that a person could be falsely accused with and destroyed without any truth to the charge? In the early 1950's, simply being accused of being a communist could destroy careers and lives. Have we returned to that standard?

  • GingerMarshall Brooklyn, OH
    Feb. 10, 2018 10:19 a.m.

    Good people with ethics, morals, and standards of conduct can, inadvertently, hire the occasional person without ethics or morals. It does happen.

    But the opposite is rarely true. Those who are known to be dishonest, unethical, and amoral rarely surround themselves with good people because good people do not want to be associated with them.

    The current administration is a perfect example, and this situation is the epitome of it. Cadet Bone Spurs could have drummed the accused out, based on evidence. Could have done it months ago, when the FBI officially refused a security clearance. But instead they covered it up, ignored it, lied about it, and now defend the perpetrator.

    Over and over and over we are seeing this pattern in this administration.

    Wake up and resist.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 10:05 a.m.

    The white house, and especially trump, handled this situation really badly. Let alone that they knew about it some time ago.
    And then trumps' defense of Porter...it was so blatant you have to wonder if trump feels he could end up in that same boat one day.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 10, 2018 9:59 a.m.

    Does Trump have a book (well, he doesn't read, so maybe a video) of statements of the worst things to say about issues? Trump places zero value on character. He does place value on wealth and power, no matter how it is attained. He places value in blind loyalty, which was apparent when he stated he could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose his voters. Doesn't say much about Trump or his supporters. Porter has a documented history of abusing women. That's probably bonus points in Trump's eyes.