The president is 100% correct. Allegations should never equate to guilt but in
this lynch mob circus we see today in America where the media frenzy swings
wildly with political correctness and suddenly the court of public opinion
replaces an actual court of law. Having said that I do agree women need new laws
to protect them from abuse in marriage....physical or mental. Let's write
new law through congress and not the media!
He obviously doesn't care about the lives that have been ruined by abuse
including ones he ruined as well.
Sarah Huchabee Sanders said Trump's position is that all the women who have
made accusations against him are liars. That is the official White House
position. Case closed. Well that's convenient for them, isn't it?As Politico noted, Trump always believes the men. Even though there are
well-documented. credible accounts from all the women who have accused people
like Porter, Moore, O-Reilly, Ailes, etc. Do men realize how much
courage it takes for a woman to come forward with allegations?! What is in for
them? They are ridiculed, harassed and not believed. What woman in her right
mind would want that sort of attention?Plus, do you really LIE to
the FBI? You make up stuff to the FBI? I don't think so.Trump's misogyny is par for his course. He simply doesn't care about
people, and especially women. Period. But I am very disappointed in Hatch's
comments. They were simply reprehensible.It's now wonder people
like me left the GOP. I was a Republican all my life until Trump won the
nomination. Just look at Trumps poll numbers for educated white women. They are
abysmal, and for good reason. I cannot see any good reason why a woman would
want to be part of the new GOP.
TeachyMcTeacherPants,Helping millions of people stay in their
homes?Sorry, but you don't do that by robbing others. Theft
has never been a right answer.I would never take your hard earned
money and give it to my neighbor.
I just have a hunch but I believe far more lives are destroyed or significantly
altered by abusers than by the alleged victims of abuse.
I love how when Hillary Clinton uses and unsecured email server the right will
get angry about national security, but when Trump has multiple people in his
cabinet that don't have security clearance they give it a pass.I love how when Barack Obama tried to raise the debt to help millions of
Americans stay in their homes, the Right was up in arms. But when Trump raises
the deficit it to pad the wallets of billionaires, they give it a pass.I guess national security and the deficit is cared about by no one.
Unrepentant progressive- we can only hope. I don’t have a lot of faith
that women will be believed since power is so important and has been for
thousands of years. Working in film has shown me the double standard- lots of
talk about “times up” and also lots of movies about abusing women
and hiding the truth. If you want to escape “me too” as a woman,
you HAVE to protect yourself. Seems like DC women are in the same boat. We
were talking about Porter with some male friends, and I said that no woman would
ever date him now, and they laughed and laughed. They said abusive men will
date and re-marry endlessly as other women will never believe the ex-wives and
girlfriends, the courts, the bishops, friends, and their own family.
Unrepentent posted: "How very rich, how very ironic and how very sad that
this comment emanates from the president."Very well said, and
may I respectfully add to your list, " and an abuser himself"
We're all waiting for the chickens to come home to roost on the "mere
allegations" against you, Donald. Your turn is coming (if your enablers in
Congress ever grow a spine).
The President is correct. emb
Unbelievable. Mr. Trump has yet again completely ignored the facts and defended
an abusive friend. How many are we up to now? Mr. Trump surely seems to defend a
lot of abhorrent behavior whether found in dictators or abusers. I'd be
more supportive if he showed more respect for principled and courageous people.
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service, loss of eligibility for access to classified information, or
prosecution.Easy to understand? It is not a family owned business
that the President of the United States is running.I don’t
want Russians winning!!!!!
Trump should know he has made an art of making (false) allegations against
An abuser isn't just a guy with an over-active libido. He has a pathology
which is well defined but which is hard to explain. Most don't get better
even with extensive counseling. The abuser never shows his
pathology while dating. The woman only finds out about it after the knot is
tied, and then she has a terrible time being believed because her abuser appears
so normal to the outside world.
Trump laments that an allegation has ruined lives.How very rich, how
very ironic and how very sad that this comment emanates from the president.
@DaveWY"We used to try people in courts of law and the presumption of
innocence until proven guilty standard protected someone from being penalized
unfairly. "Which is why this guy isn't facing criminal or
civil sentencing. Losing their job doesn't require proof of guilt.
Susan QMaybe we have all grown up and now see that abuse
doesn't have a party label. Women are finally believed.That
Clinton escaped more than impeachment and a legal slap on the wrist does not
mean that others should not be pursued.It is not about party
anymore. It is about respect and believing victims.
@Daedalus,Stephen; "@Impartial7... Indeed. But at least
Trump hasn't praised Porter's left hook. Yet."
C'mon, Stephen. You know Trump would never praise anything from the left
This is not a Trump thing. This is an endless DC parade of “protecting
and defending your own party”. Look at Bill Clinton and his cowardly acts
and how they blamed the women too.
DaveWY"We used to try people in courts of law and the presumption of
innocence until proven guilty"That's what happens when
people are arrested and charged with a crime. But there is a
different process for people applying for different jobs in our federal govt.
--and/or employees who work at companies which have federal contracts. Different jobs have different security clearances and screening processes.
The FBI becomes involved in screening people for some of these jobs and vetting
the information they get from personal interviews, background checks etc. Rob Porter knew there was a documented temporary restraining order
against him. He knewthere was a picture of his ex-wife with a black eye.
He could've simply bowed out of consideration. But he chose not to and
those who hired him ignored the evidence and looked the other way. He simply
did not meet the security standards required for his position. Trump sets the bar. Sadly, the bar is practically non-existent, which puts
our national security at risk.
@DaveWy,Making excuses for Washington or State politicians is not a
solution to the game of dirty politics. The privileged people elected to office
or working for the peoples government must be of the highest character and
integrity to represent the people, and set an example of excellence. They need
to avoid even the appearance of wrong doing. To act so cowardly and then blame
it on women victims for asking for help and justice is not acceptable in the
eyes of god or man. Where is man's shame and women's rights against
wife ( or any woman's) abuse. Trump promised to clean up the swamp, it
smells worse every new day.
@DaveWY;"We used to try people in courts of law and the presumption of
innocence until proven guilty standard protected someone from being penalized
unfairly. The new standard is to accuse someone of behavior in the media and
destroy their reputations without a trial or ability to present
evidence."Perhaps if you listened to sources other than FOX News
and AM radio, you would have learned that there are police reports and
restraining orders, issued by a judge, that kind of ruin your "innocent
until proven guilty" excuse.
Employees have baggage. Period.Sometimes it shows up at work.Most people have something in their past that they didn't confess
when they were hired.The only solution I can see is that candidates
for office and their staff need to be in place before they reach puberty. That
should take care of it.
Trump is completely tone death to these issues. Part of it is generational (
seems Hatch has the same issue ), and part of it is a rich male entitlement
attitude that is so pervasive in some crowds.... one that has very little
respect for women themselves. I feel for his daughters and wife...
Porter worked for a US Senator after those alleged abuses and would have been in
a position to need a security clearance.Great men stick together in
@Impartial7...Indeed. But at least Trump hasn't
praised Porter's left hook.Yet.
@Impartial7 I believe he is writing the book (if he can write) or making a
video. In years to come historians will look at him as a perfect example of
what not to say, do, write, condone etc. etc
We used to try people in courts of law and the presumption of innocence until
proven guilty standard protected someone from being penalized unfairly. The new
standard is to accuse someone of behavior in the media and destroy their
reputations without a trial or ability to present evidence. Should we be
concerned that a person could be falsely accused with and destroyed without any
truth to the charge? In the early 1950's, simply being accused of being a
communist could destroy careers and lives. Have we returned to that standard?
Good people with ethics, morals, and standards of conduct can, inadvertently,
hire the occasional person without ethics or morals. It does happen. But the opposite is rarely true. Those who are known to be dishonest,
unethical, and amoral rarely surround themselves with good people because good
people do not want to be associated with them.The current
administration is a perfect example, and this situation is the epitome of it.
Cadet Bone Spurs could have drummed the accused out, based on evidence. Could
have done it months ago, when the FBI officially refused a security clearance.
But instead they covered it up, ignored it, lied about it, and now defend the
perpetrator. Over and over and over we are seeing this pattern in
this administration. Wake up and resist.
The white house, and especially trump, handled this situation really badly. Let
alone that they knew about it some time ago. And then trumps' defense
of Porter...it was so blatant you have to wonder if trump feels he could end up
in that same boat one day.
Does Trump have a book (well, he doesn't read, so maybe a video) of
statements of the worst things to say about issues? Trump places zero value on
character. He does place value on wealth and power, no matter how it is
attained. He places value in blind loyalty, which was apparent when he stated he
could shoot someone on 5th Avenue and not lose his voters. Doesn't say much
about Trump or his supporters. Porter has a documented history of abusing women.
That's probably bonus points in Trump's eyes.