Legislative sex scandals — entrapment, or something else?

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  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2018 11:42 a.m.

    "And, if they have to be advised to walk in pairs and never be alone, it doesn't say much for personal responsibility."

    A second person in the Oval Office should have been present beginning with the Clinton presidency.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 11:50 a.m.

    So procurador the libs made up Stormy Daniels?

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    Feb. 14, 2018 11:08 a.m.

    Walking in pairs? Using a buddy system? Given the attraction to power and, by a few, the desire to place them in a compromising position, these seem like sensible precautions. It is the same no matter which side of the aisle you are on.

    About a year or so ago, VP Pence got into a lot of hot water over not having female staffers work alone and late with him. At the time, many made it seem foolish. In the current environment, it looks more and more like pure genius. No, this is no endorsement of him or his administration. Simply that taking care of when and where you are alone and being always conscious of your marriage makes a world of sense - especially in the political realm.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 9:01 a.m.

    RE: "entrapment, or something else?"...
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    I'm sure there's some of both.

    I'm also sure Democrats and the media will continue to insist every accusation against an R is legit (with or without evidence) and the R will claim it didn't happen.

    And R's will do the same to D's. For sure.

    I just wish people would report this behavior the instant it happens.... that would help their case SO Much.

    There are people around no matter where you go. If somebody does something... don't wait till you get home. Don't wait a week. Don't wait a month. Don't wait 40 years... Report it that very instant, to anybody, the nearest person. A friend. Even a stranger. The police. Why not?

    Tell somebody what happened right when it happens. Then they can't deny they were with you, because it was 5 minutes ago.

    If you wait years it's easy to claim it didn't happen. If you report it that instant, it's pretty hard to deny, and the people you report it too can confirm your story.

    I think the most important lesson to learn is to report it when it happens, not later.

    It's harder to punish perpetrators when you report it years later. And if you report it now... you may prevent many assaults.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Feb. 14, 2018 8:57 a.m.

    I was close to the late Utah Congressman Gunn McKay (D). I heard him recount on more than one occasion how Republican operatives tried to set him up in order to embarrass him. He was a man of strong principle and never yielded, and he was never compromised. Having strong character and a true commitment to serving the people is the surest way to stay out of trouble, even if faced with efforts to entrap or tempt a leader. Gunn was very special, truly one of the greatest, most principled men I have ever known. His example is one that our current slate of leaders should follow.

  • Fabulous Jen Eagle Mountain, UT
    Feb. 13, 2018 7:13 p.m.

    procuradorfiscal wrote 10:38 AM: "...when unprincipled liberals have been shown to be willing to collude with foreign enemies to make up stories out of whole cloth, troll for paid "witnesses" to those stories, and falsely attribute to innocent, decent folks the misconduct they're so famous for."

    You know, it's probably a popular meme in the Limbaugh/Hannity/Breitbart blathersphere to say George Soros is paying prostitutes to visit Republican legislator hotel rooms.

    I'm sure you'll say George Soros is paying me handsomely to write this because I'm one of those dreaded "liberals" who will go to any extreme to undermine your beautiful GOP world.

    But the Vickers story has a bad smell behind it.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 13, 2018 2:18 p.m.

    Walking in pairs says a lot about avoiding his word against hers and hidden cameras viz. cell phone cameras to make the best of a set-up. Lawmakers are a prize target for blackmail. 'Nuf said.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Feb. 13, 2018 10:38 a.m.

    Re: ". . . if they have to be advised to walk in pairs and never be alone, it doesn't say much for personal responsibility."

    Walking in pairs and not being alone is part of personal responsibility -- particularly at a time when unprincipled liberals have been shown to be willing to collude with foreign enemies to make up stories out of whole cloth, troll for paid "witnesses" to those stories, and falsely attribute to innocent, decent folks the misconduct they're so famous for.

    The easy ethics and virtue of liberal politicians have made these dangerous times to oppose them.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Feb. 13, 2018 9:44 a.m.

    We know Stanard wasn't entrapped. He got caught -two times (no count on others not reported). Vickers story hasn't been proven. You know if they police found security footage backing his story, Vickers would be holding another press conference.
    And, if they have to be advised to walk in pairs and never be alone, it doesn't say much for personal responsibility.