Trump's war with the media is 'darker' than you think, new study from BYU and U. professors says

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  • Eastern CO Coug Elizabeth, CO
    April 22, 2017 9:23 p.m.

    While I don't agree with a lot of things Trump is or does, at least the man is trying to take the country back from the liberals. I voted for him since he wants to help our economy and is pro America- something the liberals don't seem to like. I rather enjoy him attacking the media. We know that CNN, etc. have been on the side of the liberals. Let's even things up. Now the media doesn't even try to hide their bias - it is an all out attack on Trump. Can't stand to read the newspaper and even liberalism and extreme PC seems to have crept into the Deseret News. The truth seems to win out though. Have to have a strong economy and capitalism to make this country prosper much to the dismay of the tax and spend liberals. California is the prime example- being supported by the feds. Always teetering on bankruptcy. That's what liberalism does- it caves in on itself. Have you seen the State of New York ads on TV lately trying to bring business back- saying they lowered taxes. This is from a terribly liberal state. They know what has hurt New York's economy and they know what will bring it back. Not liberalism.

  • HSTucker Holladay, UT
    April 21, 2017 9:27 a.m.

    Media cultural marxists favorably reporting on academic cultural marxists complaining that those who call out the deception of cultural marxism are "darker" than you think.

    "The world will teach our children if we do not, and children are capable of learning all the world will teach them at a very young age."
    -- Rosemary Wixom

    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."
    -- Eph 6:12

    We know where the real darkness is coming from.

  • scrappy do DRAPER, UT
    April 20, 2017 9:39 p.m.

    The leftist media in this country should be called out and beaten back every hour of every day

    The amount of garbage that they try to pass off as news is appalling

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    April 20, 2017 7:05 a.m.

    The press has largely stopped being the so called "Fourth Estate" and have become the propaganda arm of the Democrats and the far left Progressives. That started way before Trump ever thought of running, which means it's nothing new. It has just gotten more blatant in the last 16 years.

  • Reagan was Right Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2017 2:26 p.m.

    There is nothing sinister going on here. Trump is simply a glib egomaniac who cannot handle any kind of criticism. he media is waging a war on him, but he started that war. He has to realize that at this point everything he does will be criticized by the media almost universally (except for by his favorite channel Fox News). The fact is that the media has a right to criticize him, and he has given them plenty to criticize, and even if there is nothing to criticize biased media will find something. The erosion of our constitution is very real and should not be taken lightly, but Trump is not about to establish some kind of authoritarian regime. He's just an idiot who shoots his mouth off
    The real problem is the erosion of truth and honest dialogue throughout our country from Trump, from the media, and from political correctness police on the left. Thomas Jefferson said that he believed that "educating the masses" would preserve liberty and that if the American public had the truth they would never steer the country wrong. The problem is that there is nowhere to find truth in the arena of politics and the longer we are without it the harder it will be for us to recognize it.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    April 19, 2017 12:05 p.m.

    whatever "war" there is President Trump didn't start it nor does he fuel it. He responds and stands up for himself and his family as any decent man would and should do against a crude, fake-news, media. The president certainly has more restraint than I would have against the "bottom-feeders" in the media.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    April 19, 2017 10:10 a.m.

    @Ralph ,

    Get it straight. It's a fight for the Constitution.

    Trump didn't:

    * cause our national debt
    * rig the voting system against Bernie Sanders
    * sneak millions of dollars to Iran
    * send arms to Mexican drug cartels
    * give nuclear technology to North Korea
    * give North Korea four billion dollars to aid their nuclear development

    Do the home work.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    April 19, 2017 9:18 a.m.

    So the liberal bastion of academe think that Trump is trying to do "dark" things to the liberal bastion of the main stream media. As they are ex officio arms of the Democrat party why am I not surprised they think that way. . .

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    April 19, 2017 9:06 a.m.

    Ugh! I read all 59 pages of this paper looking for anything of substance. What a waste of time. It's nothing more than the same liberal trope (compete with the Nazi reference) written in pompous, overbearing, erudite gobbledygook.

    It reminded me of the professor at ASU who let the kids protest Trump in lieu of taking the final exam. The fact that liberalism has taken over so much of academia is the reason the media is so biased in the first place. Now you write a hit piece on Trump in pretentious, sesquipedalian, intelligentsia verbiage and not only does it pass for scholarship, it gets promoted in the media (no surprise there).

    Donald Trump did not causing the trust deficit in the media. He simply calls it out. The truth is that the media are dying of self inflicted wounds. They are like the drug addict who promises to stop lying every time they are caught, but then turn back to the same pattern of deceit. At some point you weary and tune them out.

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    April 19, 2017 7:38 a.m.

    his war with the media is a problem but the bigger issues is his war on the truth and reality.

  • James E Tooele, UT
    April 19, 2017 1:25 a.m.

    Hilarious. He hasn't done anything yet, but according to some old German theory we know he will eventually. Yeah, sounds like the argument for global warming. Cite some facts and we'll talk.

    Meanwhile they're demonstrating exactly what's wrong with Big Media. They claim all these rights and privileges but have forgotten their responsibilities to The People. Stop trying to tell us what to think and just give us information.

  • PamFlinders Sandy, UT
    April 18, 2017 11:56 p.m.

    President Trump deserves his bad press. He contradicts himself constantly, picks petty fights with celebrities and never checks his spelling. If he stopped doing just these few things he would come off a lot more presidential. It's a low bar.

    Every media has bias. We should all take care to pick news that cite sources, attempts to stick to the facts and at least attempts to keep their bias hidden. Reporting stories will have as many versions as those who tell them - but the facts should remain the same.

    If Trump ever does decide to go after journalists, we are in big trouble as a country. I hope we can withstand that kind of attack on the constitution.

  • Hope & Faith give us strength Utah County, UT
    April 18, 2017 11:53 p.m.

    "Trump appears to be on the path toward eliminating important protections for the press."

    He can't amend constitutional rights, so what important protections are we afraid we're about to lose? There's too much and too incredible of manipulation in the U.S. political coliseum these days to trust anyone to do anything good anymore, even on a small scale. Basically, if you have faith in the politics of mankind, you've put your faith in the wrong place. The very exact same thing can and should be said about the mass media as well.

    The left see Trump as a dark shroud over America right now. Truth is, that dark shroud is decades upon decades old. The disintegration of the family has brought us nearly to our knees and even now people still deny the importance of righteousness for maintaining liberty.

    All of our freedoms have been under heavy threat for decades. The greatest threat isn't the one breaking down your door, but the one you welcomed in as a friend. Americans have been manipulated into ideologies that frankly aren't American.

    As someone who voted 3rd party, I still absolutely believe the role of the press needs to change.

    April 18, 2017 11:44 p.m.

    Things done by the DNC with the press and the parties election were much worse than anything Trump has ever done. How soon they forget.

    I wish Obama was President again, I would treat him like the media and Democrats treat Trump. I didn't like the many things he did, but I never acted out like we are seeing now.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    April 18, 2017 11:12 p.m.

    The reality show host has a daily war with his own endless dissembling.

    The media reports on this re-Publican endorsed and approved charade.

    The fact that trump or those people who voted for him can't handle the truth is not the fault of the media.

  • Ralph Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2017 10:17 p.m.

    Yes, worf, we know, Trump is your political paragon.

    You just keep fighting against the Constitution, someday you may get your fascist dictatorship.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    April 18, 2017 9:46 p.m.

    War against the dark side continues.

    Trump is a true Jedi.

  • Arkpears Bella Vista, AR
    April 18, 2017 8:27 p.m.

    It has become increasingly obvious to many informed voters that the main stream media and the progressive academic community are lap dogs for the Democratic Party and cannot be trusted by those believing in the Constitution and the principles espoused by our founding fathers. This consuming desire that progressives have to change America into a European type socialist welfare state with a globalist view of the world is what we need to fear.

  • ER in DC Wash, DC
    April 18, 2017 8:17 p.m.

    trump would be a paper tiger if he did not have support from the senators and congressmen. If he floated a balloon and no one saluted, he would have no influence on the press or in other arenas. But they keep saying how bad he is, and then supporting him with their vote. If this does not change we need to send a message to them in November 2018.

  • Red Rocket St George, UT
    April 18, 2017 8:12 p.m.

    Trump has himself to blame for the awful press. He deserves it. On the other hand, at least he got Justice Gorsuch appointed to the Supreme Court. That reason, and that reason alone, is the reason we are glad he won the election. Now if he would only resign and go back to playing golf. We can dream.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    April 18, 2017 8:06 p.m.

    Wait, there are two people in America who still take Trump seriously enough to bother drafting this sort of paper? Does Trump have some sort of 'darker' motivations towards the media and a desire to curtail press freedoms? Perhaps. But even if so, what he wants is largely inconsequential given Trump's chronic and deep-seated incompetence, combined with the broken inner circle of desperate yes-men who dare not point out the obvious. Trump has achieved lame duck status before the end of the first 100 days...which he may well tout via Twitter as another amazing accomplishment (Gorsuch is the other) unless someone explains to Trump what lame duck means.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 18, 2017 7:56 p.m.

    Alex Jones propagates conspiracy theories like the Newtown school massacre was "fake", the 9/11 attack was a "false flag" staged by our government, as well as the Boston Marathon bombing and the Oklahoma City bombing. Trump rewards Alex Jones by inviting him to the White House.

    This lends credence to the belief Trump may have some type of mental illness. Wouldn't a mentally healthy president side with the families and communities who lost loved ones rather than side with a for-profit right-wing "entertainer" who peddles wackadoodle conspiracy theories?

    But think about how Jason Chaffetz would function if there was no fawning right-wing media. He'd be here in Utah fighting to get classroom sizes reduced. He'd be making sure we have clean air to breathe and clean water to drink. He'd be fighting to improve the quality of life for all Utahans.

    Chaffetz can easily withstand all the grief shouted at him a town hall. Why? Because the right-wing bloggers are his real constituents. He is much more likely to introduce legislation to name a post office after Alex Jones before he does anything to help someone who cleans hotel rooms for a living .

  • JBs Logan, UT
    April 18, 2017 7:23 p.m.

    We must have a free press or we may become like North Korea, or any number of places who can only report sanctioned news. That is not as far-fetched as it sounds.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2017 5:29 p.m.

    It's a bit comical to see the factional nature of this article and the comments to it. As if the comments by and directed toward Trump were really a battle between good on one side and evil on the other (with the reader left to assign the attributes to either side).

    From what I can tell the real problem is with a President who has a chronic problem with communicating in a way that rises above the immature and slightly deranged on one side and chronically biased excuses for "journalists" in the press whose hypocrisy shines through any attempt at objectivity on the other.

    In other words, it's a battle between equals, in terms of their undesirable traits, with American society being the losers.

    However, I think it is important to remember that neither of these "sides" would be viable were it not for the dishonest elements of American society that enables both. Despite any desperate references to popular vs electoral votes, by our system we elected Trump as President. Likewise, the obvious and long term biases of the mainstream press/media is only possible because of the support, direct or indirect, of the reading public.

    In short, we get what we deserve.

  • Vanceone Provo, UT
    April 18, 2017 4:50 p.m.

    I agree, Trump shouldn't attack the media.

    Please tell me who is the media and who is just an arm of the Democrat party. Because it's clear that CNN and the rest are nothing but the public relations arm of the DNC. And Trump has no obligation to treat the DNC and the Democrat party fairly. After all, they have zero problems with lying and making up stories about Trump.

    Ben Rhodes, one of the leaders in the Obama administration, boasted how he had turned what was left of the media into nothing more than people who reprint press releases from Obama. He boasted about how journalists don't investigate anymore; and how they came to him for instructions on what to print or cover.

    They aren't the media; they don't do journalism, and thus no one owes them any deference at all; least of all Trump. Today's media is just like Tokyo Rose; loudly proclaiming glorious victories over the evil Americans that somehow kept coming closer to the homeland. Yes, exactly like Tokyo Rose: openly treasonous and clear in their goal to destroy America. It's a perfect analogy.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    April 18, 2017 4:20 p.m.

    "Now that it's been proven that Trump was correct - crickets."

    Please cite specific evidence that Trump was correct in his accusation that he was 'wiretapped by Obama'.

    Details matter.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 18, 2017 4:12 p.m.

    Trump wants and expects the media to be his complicit lapdog, to heap praises on him and ignore all the unpleasantries about and around him. And, there are a lot of those.
    Thus, his 'war' on the media. His own words are enough to convict him, yet he persists on in a reality of his own making. The emperor, it seems, has many negative qualities and does many strange, unpleasant or rude things. Reality isn't media bias.

  • Nanook of the North Los Angeles, CA
    April 18, 2017 3:51 p.m.

    Sure, there's media bias. (Although it's a lot more pro-corporatist and a lot less "liberal" than most people think.) But just look at the facts. Simply put, when the media report the FACTS of what Trump has said and done, Trump and his defenders just start yelling "Fake news! Fake news!" They don't respond to the facts. When they're called out for saying one thing and doing another, they don't provide any explanation, they just bluster and change the subject. Then they do what they can to distract you from what's really going on, which is that the current administration is the most corrupt and pro-Mammon presidential administration in the history of the USA. Pay attention not only to what Trump and his defenders ACTUALLY SAY, but ALSO pay attention to WHAT THEY ACTUALLY DO. They are saying and doing things, things you can verify quite easily, that are already ruining the nation and the world.

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    April 18, 2017 3:49 p.m.

    Excuse me! The Left and the prior administration and followers made Trump the villain long before he called them out. Nobody else would have had the guts and the backbone to say and do what he says. This paper is one of them always posing the negative toward our POTUS. It's disgusting!

    Darker? Are you serious? What could have been darker than the last 8 years. So much deceit, lies, and cover-ups. And, they are still uncovering more and more. The left-winged media refuses to cover anything that makes Obama look tainted in any way.

    That's the real shame today. The media has dug a hole, and they can lie in it!

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    April 18, 2017 3:33 p.m.

    Some things never change - autocrats will always try to shut down the press. Thank goodness our Founding Fathers hard-coded freedom of the press in the Constitution.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    April 18, 2017 3:22 p.m.

    Two liberal professors don't like Trump. Should we be surprised?

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    April 18, 2017 3:16 p.m.

    Maybe if Trump acted like an adult, didn't say/tweet childish comments, attack the press and anyone else for reporting the truth or heaven forbid record and then play back his nonsense.

    Maybe if the President acted like a leader instead of this weeks thin skinned contestant fighting to stay on a reality show, he would get some respect.

    Speaking of respect, I was always told it was earned and should be mutual, Donald's arrogance of he's smarter than the intelligence community, braver than our enlisted, and know more then anyone else, might play to his base, but normal people see thru this insecurity.

    Maybe if he spent more time working instead of golfing and eating chocolate cake, while making important decisions.

    Perhaps if his administration wasn't lining up to beat the Reagan Admin for most criminal convictions.

    White Nationalists and racist groups are the only demographic he is gaining popularity with, because they see a leader in his rhetoric.

    At some point you have to ask, Is the rest of the world and America all wrong, or is it just Trump, being Trump?

  • milquetoasty Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2017 3:12 p.m.

    "What is Trump to do? The Media is so mean to him!"

    A few things he could try:

    Stop calling every story he doesn't like 'fake news'
    Stop lying
    Stop exaggerating
    Stop saying ridiculous things
    Stop blaming everybody else for his mistakes
    Stop contradicting himself
    Stop giving himself a pass for the exact same things he skewered Obama for

    Just some ideas.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 18, 2017 2:43 p.m.

    Who is objective, the media or trump? Who lies then flip-flops literally on the same day?
    Who has made many promises they have now ignored?
    Do some of you people commenting expect the media to treat trump the way the fake news network treats trump? I realize republican politics is more important than reality for some of you, but come on.

  • Den Den West Jordan, UT
    April 18, 2017 2:08 p.m.

    The media has waged a personal vendetta against the Trump administration since he threw his hat in for President of the United States.

    They have attacked him and have made millions of dollars off of him.

    This is unprecedented in the history of the press/media. It's disgusting to see this occur. So, if anything happens, they asked for it. I believe the Constitution will continue to protect these scum bags.

  • Mig welder Huntington, UT
    April 18, 2017 1:47 p.m.

    I don't feel sorry one bit for the press. Trump isn't going to silence you. He will will be gone in four or eight years. He is not going to hurt you in that amount of time. The real issue you have with him is you hate his agenda. I don't particularly like his style but I am very grateful it's him and not her.
    What I have found to be of particular interest, is that the media has absolutely no idea how to cover this President. He has them completely on their heels. And they know that!
    Journalist quit being journalist some time ago. They speak for their party and their own agenda. I might actually feel bad for them if they were doing their job as journalists.

  • Hoosier87 American Fork, UT
    April 18, 2017 1:24 p.m.

    Let me make sure I got this straight - media hates you, calls you every name in the book, doesn't report on anything that makes you look good OR that makes your opponents look bad, then clearly you are destroying our form of democracy!

    Here's another thought; the news media is an arm of the Democratic party and only supports their guys. I heard the media SCREAM that if Obama did in fact wire tap Trump it would be the worst abuse of power ever, million times worse than Watergate. And Trump was out of his mind to even suggest it and that he needed to immediately apologize. Now that it's been proven that Trump was correct - crickets. Yeah, that's an honest, trustworthy, noble organization right there.

    If I were President, I'd be doing the same thing as Trump. Our media does not deserve any support. It's corrupt almost top to bottom.

    Maybe Trump could go back to the old days and let the liberal media do whatever they want, then our democracy would be safe again...

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    April 18, 2017 1:23 p.m.

    The overwhelming majority of Americans and the rest of the world realize the ignorance and childish temperament of Donald Trump. The press that is friendly to Trump are the same ones who lavished praise on Julian Assange and don't seem to mind the Russians influencing our election . In Trump's world the real media are the ones who think Julian Assange is a patriot and Hillary Clinton was actually convicted of a crime. In other words the fake news is his friend and the free press are the ones pointing out that the emperor has no clothes. Thank God for the first amendment.

  • Mind Baggage Bentonville, AR
    April 18, 2017 1:06 p.m.

    This is what passes for scholarship these days?

    If these professors did indeed write a similar paper about Obama attacking the press, namely Fox News, then I apologize in advance. But to be clear, presidents are critical of the media. From Nixon, FDR, Truman, Obama, Trump, and so on.

    The only thing new here is the use of Twitter. Trump didn't invent fake news. The mainstream media did.

    Obama actually prosecuted and temporarily jailed journalists for not revealing sources who were putting his administration in a bad light. I wonder how many academic papers were written about this nefarious act?