''reports that Trump gave highly classified information to Russian
officials.'' President Reagan offered (1986) full release of the
technology for strategic defense initiative to the Soviets, to save them the
trouble of stealing it. The only problem was the Soiviets could not afford to
implement the technology, and went bust, ending the USSR, winning the cold war.
The Republican party is unrecognizable to me these days.Since when did
Republicans willingly accept Russian influence in our elections? Why do we
support tax cuts to the 1% at all costs and yet refuse to touch the budgets of
the military? When did we become so anti-science? I want SMART
SPENDING. I want legislation that is sensible and realistic and addresses
problems. I want people with principles in office - that will work for their
constituents and not just pander to whomever is donating to their superpac.The party has been taken over by the fringe elements and they care more
about scoring points for their team and ideological purity than preserving
America's institutional integrity and improving the country.
Things happen fast in Washington. In the 24 hours since this interview took
place, the case against Trump on Russia and Comey's firing has
strengthened. And after the last few days of shifting stories and impetuous
tweets, Trump aides in the White House are talking more and more openly with
each passing 24 hours about how discouraging and even degrading it is to have to
lie or equivocate for their boss. The sooner they get out, the better for their
careers and their own personal integrity, not to mention the well-being of the
US. I think the same advice for the same reasons would be a good idea for our
state's congressional delegation to follow.
What in Tucket? -said: "The Comey firing is a non issue no one is
interested."Funny the likes would completely disagree with
you.I find it strange that some commenters speak for the
"majority" of American's and yet get so few likes and or people
agreeing with them? Kinda like how Trump claims to be popular but can't
prove it with anything except claiming the rest of the world is lying.
As a GOP voter, let me say that none of these reps show any spine or conscience.
The GOP has so completely lost its moral compass and Trump will drive them all
over a cliff. I feel like many of my Democrat friends did when they said
'the party left them' in the past decades. Other than
'undo Obama's legacy' there is no agenda to the GOP government.
No original ideas, no solutions, no morality. Whatever this POTUS does is legal
and OK. Forget about his enormous conflicts of interest, his lechery towards
woman and girls, his promoting of his own family into government, appointing of
Alt Right media people in top security and strategy posts, etc. If
Hilary had been elected and done one tenth of what Trump has done, the GOP and
talk show hosts would have been calling for her head.
Lockstep and lockmind.I watched this echo fest on TV last night and
was thoroughly disgusted. As Stephen Covey once said, "When two
people are of the same opinion, one of them is unnecessary."Or
four, in this case.
With a vast majority of Americans now suffering from PTSD ( President Trump
Stress Disorder) and with Trump's approval rating hovering in the mid
twenties, it doesn't surprise me one little bit that Utah's fab four
are in Goosesteps with Trump. Track records can paint a terrible picture for the
I really miss Jim Matheson.
For 8 years a constant grousing (by the four) toward Obama, and now with king
Trump there is a laudatory allegiance that is so surprising? And health care;
all sought the demise of the ACA, and yet rushed, one bill and then the next,
before a CBO scoring (that eventually came out after the first round) showing
that 20-25 million would lose health care coverage; and most reports on the
recent bill suggest that coverage of pre-existing conditions is in grave doubt;
and that Medicaid coverage will shrink. Middle class American's with
shrunken political clout and these politicos having only shallow understanding
of premiums, deductibles and health care challenges. And then public lands - the
history of public lands in the West is lost on all of them. Republicans for
decades, ALWAYS opposing National Monuments and parks. No such parks would exist
in Utah if they had their way, and the same "opposition" existed 60 plus
years ago when Canyonlands/Arches were announced as a monument and then a N
Park. All four though are of a tribe that also have their own media (of sorts)
that toss softballs and pillows at them; who cares about facts when subjective
reality can hold sway.
The reps do not believe Trump shared highly sensitive intel info with Russians.
But what if he did? What would these distinguished representatives say then?
Are they simply covering for Trump?Why is this question
plausible?Is Trump fatigue already setting in?What will
the Congressional elections look like in 2 years? The presidential election in
4 years? I'll go out on a limb and call it right now.
Republicans will lose the House & Senate in 2 years. And Trump will lose
the White House in 4 years. The battle ground is already being
defined: any Republican supporting Trump will be described as weak, an enabler,
and willing to compromise principle for political power. Trump is too easily
baited into traps, and is left looking foolish. While Utah may
still be safe for Republicans, across the country the Independents will vote
Democrat in the next election, directly because of Trump's poor performance
as president (in January 2016, a Gallup poll revealed 26% of Americans
identified as Republican, 29% as Democrat, while Independents were 42%--a record
high). The GOP depends on Independents to win, and Indies won't vote Trump
After seeing how 50 years of democrat rule in Detroit destroyed that city
I'm glad we elect conservatives here in Utah.How did
Hillary's secret e-mails end up on Weiner's computer? If it is good
for the goose isn't it good for the gander?
Not one backbone among all of them.
I have a question for our so-called representatives. Since the American press
was not allowed into the Oval office when President Trump met, and revealed
highly classified Intel with Russian Ambassador Kislyak, and Foreign Minister
Lavrov. And yet the Russian state run media outlet TASS reporters or
photographers were allowed in during their meeting, does that also mean that the
TASS personnel were also allowed to remain in the room, and were in fact present
while Trump revealed the classified intelligence info with his Russian
counterparts?This seems like it would be a rather important issue,
and inquiring minds would like to know!
@ third try screen nameI would have been fine if the DN had used the
term "goosestep" instead of "lockstep". A rose by any other
@Cobabe "When their stories are in agreement, it means they arrived at
similar conclusions after devoting their own consideration to the issues in
question. "No, this is called party discipline. These people
know if they differ from the party line even a little bit they will lose the
base, and likely be gone from office (though the present situation is a
completely new dynamic which these slow guys don't get yet). And the longer they can stay in the congress the more valuable they become
when they leave and lobby for American capital.You see the problem
isn't just government, it's the corporate establishment which wants
favors from government. The system is totally corrupt and these guys show it!
Not an individual thought amongst the lot of them. That is completely
inappropriate. When will our representatives start representing the citizens of
Utah by choosing statesmanship over party? While each of them can
justify themselves all they want, it doesn't mean that what they are doing
is right. It doesn't make statements true. It just means that they are
unwilling to do what they have been sent to Washington to do.
This just in: Pachyderms are demanding that the Republican Party adopt a new
mascot, they suggested that the jellyfish would be a suitable replacement.
“’There hasn't been exactly the smoking gun about collusion
that some law has been violated,’ said Chaffetz.”Perhaps
not “exactly”—but just as I don’t think, in the face of
warning signs, one should wait before taking precautions until there is a dead
body to accompany the fired bullet from a smoking gun, I think there are more
than enough objective red flags here to call for and independent investigation.
The majority of Americans want an independent investigator into Russian
interference ion our election. The majority of Americans do not want Obamacare
repealed. The majority of Utahns and Native Americans who reside in southeast
Utah support Bear Ears Monument. I find that troubling that our
entire congressional delegation in the House and probably in the Senate is
against the will of majority in these matters.
"Road to Understanding" reads the background graphic behind the panel of
Utah's Congressional synchronized swim team.This is a
worthwhile destination for this group, despite how long and winding the road may
seem to them and their constituents.And as the saying goes, a
journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step.Based on their
comments, seems they all are still working on tying their shoes.
"Lockstep" is a poor choice of words by those who make a living in
communications. It conveys a rather harsh image if you ask me. I
guess our congressional delegation should be grateful the DN didn't use the
First line of the article: Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, said his faith in President
Donald Trump was not shaken by reports that Trump gave highly classified
information to Russian officials.What would it take, Jason, for you
to lose your "faith" in President Trump?Would it be grabbing
women where they don't want to be grabbed? Nope, you'd still
have "faith" in him even then.Face it, there's nothing
Trump could do to shake the "faith" of his supporters. Con men
Of course they are in lock step. If they do not follow the party line, they
stand to lose their standings in committee, being censured by party leaders, and
losing party support in primaries. They know which side their bread is buttered.
It's like the sworn testimony on Capitol Hill of the Phillip Morris
executives years ago when every one of them said the believed that "smoking
did not cause lung cancer".
@What in Tucket " As for Russia their danger is the same as ours, Islam and
ISIS, and China. Much better if we can work with Russia. Russia was fine with
the Dimms when Hillary and BIll were raking in millions from them, but since the
election it is a turn around. Anything to bash Trump."There are
more than two ways of looking at the world, not just the "Dimms" and
Republicans. So you like the new capitalist Russia, do you? Turns
out they are as expansionist and paranoid as ever. How do you explain that?Remember Russia has nukes, lots and lots of them. And they play Trump
like a violin. We are in grave danger. A takeover by the Russians in the
United States is possible. We have a president with the emotional
maturity of a seven year old.
@Flashback - Kearns, UT"Trump gets the benefit of the doubt
until the gun actually smokes. We don't actually know what he told the
Ruskkies. "General McMasters was in the room and confirmed that
Trump bragged about his intel and that ISIS was planning on using a laptop to
blow up a plane.That was a very, very dumb thing to do. The
Russians could have sent that intel through themselves in order to see who we
may have imbedded so they can take them out. Dump Trump!
Of COURSE they are....party over people...it's the Utah and GOP way.This is news?
This is why gerrymandering is so bad for America. The lemmings will take the
whole country off a cliff if there are not alternative voices.
The Comey firing is a non issue no one is interested. As for Russia their
danger is the same as ours, Islam and ISIS, and China. Much better if we can
work with Russia. Russia was fine with the Dimms when Hillary and BIll were
raking in millions from them, but since the election it is a turn around.
Anything to bash Trump.
Lockstep...Since we're all about saving Americans from the
size/cost of government...Whereas they all vote the same way...And we're told locals can do all the work...Let's
figure out a way to keep their voting power but do away with 3 out of the 4 of
them...Keep 1 for the comedic relief they provide.Think
of the saving in salaries for each of them, their staffs, their travel, their
mailouts etc..Let's do this thing!
I would have a great deal more respect for these gentlemen if they would
question something - anything - that President Trump did. I find that it is a
very rare person that I agree with on 100% of everything. I don't agree
with my wife 100% of the time (and I love her). If they would say that they
like most of what he's doing, but perhaps he could adjust in this one way,
I would have more respect for them. But they seem to follow too closely and
agree too much.
And these are the same guys that freaked out about Clinton's email server.
Can you imagine their outrage if Clinton would have directly given classified
information to the Russians? You can't make up this circus that is the
Trump presidency and his puppets.
Trump gets the benefit of the doubt until the gun actually smokes. We
don't actually know what he told the Ruskkies. Until we have proof that
actual intelligence was given to them, we leave him alone.If that
proof comes down the pike, then we jump on Trump with both feet. And I'm
sure our delegation will do the same.BTW, Hillary violated many laws
with her private email server. Frankly her getting hacked may have been worse
than Trump flapping his gums at the Russkies. It remains to be seen.
Perhaps we should fire them in lockstep, too.
It's sad that we don't have an independent thinker in the bunch.When an event in the world occurs, I don't have to wonder how any
of them will respond. I already know they'll take the GOP party line.Right and wrong has become a non-issue for our leaders. Sad but true!
The fact that there was not even a hint of dissent or disagreement among them,
on anything, shows that they are first and foremost political party hacks. Their
representation of the people who gave them their jobs obviously trails somewhere
behind loyalty to the Republican party.Jason Chaffetz cannot move
along to Fox News soon enough. As for the rest of them, one can only hope that
between now and November 2018 Utahns see the need to kick them to the curb and
Of course they are in lockstep, the Democratic and Republican parties demand
total 100% compliance with their outlined platform, to deviate from that
platform is to lose all financial and political backing by the party. I find it difficult to believe that out of dozens of major political issues
every single representative just happens to have the exact same views.
That's a statistical impossibility and proves that party loyalty is more
important that what is actually best for America and her people. I'm conservative on many issues, but also liberal on a few, and it sure
would be refreshing to see someone not simply fall into line with the party
platform. I thought Trump might be that person but it is becoming clear that he
Our four representatives and two senators are becoming "Stepford wives"
for Donald Trump. A year ago they were against his womanizing, and sex talk,
now he is their hero. Trump has little use for congress and bypasses it with
his countless executive orders and lambasts the judiciary endlessly. Our
representatives have no concern and realization that he his attempting to
destroy the separation of powers in the constitution and become the king. I believe most Utahns support national parks and national monuments,
the good things about Obamacare, and are against sharing secret information with
Russia. I can't believe we have six elected officials from Utah who are so
out of touch with their constituents.
Utah's delegation is out of touch not only with America, but also the Utah
people, and further, out of touch with reality. Being so loyal to Trump is
going to prove a serious mistake, in addition to the fact that they are
abrogating their duty to act as a Constitutional check on the President. It
really is quite shameful.
kreese -asks? "Let me get this straight. Hillary's illegal private
server was hacked, but Trump was giving the Russians information....according to
"sources". What sources? We have so much false information floating
around."Trump, Donald himself said it, so is that a good enough
source? Probably not considering how Trump fans still give him a pass, even when
the recording is played.
@kreese;"Trump was giving the Russians information....according to
"sources". What sources? We have so much false information floating
around."Ummm. Trump's team first denied it, then Trump
confirmed it himself. How long are you going to believe that all of Trump's
missteps and dangerous actions are from "false information" and realize
that Trump was a bad decision for America?
The level of hypocrisy is astounding. Chaffetz will "lock Hillary up"
and would have hounded her for her entire term with his committee 's
investigations over emails to her own staff, but it's ok for Trump to stand
in the same room with Russian operatives and laughingly give away top secret
information. I just don't get it.
Our delegation is making it crystal clear, they value party loyalty more than
they value the rule of law. Turning a blind eye to treasonous behavior and
reckless hypocrisy is the central theme of today's GOP.
Every Utahan will know someone who will suffer mightily under the new Republican
health care law.
If they're in lockstep (good phrasing, here) with Trump giving Russia
classified info and putting source's lives in danger, than they are
bordering on treason as well. The US will be weakened because our allies will be
unwilling to share intelligence info with us for fear of exposure. Trump is
weakening our national security and Utah GOP reps are allowing him to do so. If
they had any allegiance to our Country, instead of their Party, they'd be
demanding Trump's investigation and possible resignation.
Are the Utah voters in lock step with their representatives about Russia, Bears
Ears and Health Insurance?Has any major news organizations done any
surveys about these three items??
""There hasn't been exactly the smoking gun about collusion that
some law has been violated," said Chaffetz, who co-chairs the U.S. House
Committee on Oversight and Government Reform."And yet he spent
years investigating Hillary Clinton and her email server. Where was the
smoking gun there?"Rep. Chris Stewart said he warned his
colleagues of Russian officers trying to meddle with election long before
November but believes there was no push for one specific candidate to be
elected." He "believes". On what basis?"They believe Utah is best poised to take care of its vast public lands
and its air pollution problem, without interference from federal managers."
So why hasn't Utah done anything already? Are the feds stopping them?"The group was in unison on other issues, too."Indeed. They all believe that they need campaign contributions from the
uber-rich, and that they'll get them if they get tax cuts. Re-election
trumps any other consideration. Like good lemmings, they stick together and
follow Dear Leader--right over the cliff. The problem is that they're
taking the country with them.
It's good to see Chaffetz agrees with the WP report that "sources and
methods weren't revealed". This is like being arrested for burglary,
but screaming "I didn't kill anyone!" But why the
eagerness to give a pass to Trump on something Hillary was repeatedly hammered
on - disclosing US intelligence?And why in the *world* were the
Russians in the White House to begin with? They attacked our nation less than 6
months ago! The speed of forgiveness of Russia, which two weeks ago
tried to undermine our ally, France - by Republicans! - is nothing short of
Let me get this straight. Hillary's illegal private server was hacked, but
Trump was giving the Russians information....according to "sources".
What sources? We have so much false information floating around.
Earlier this week, political reporting was all about touting supposed
"contradictions". Today instead we hear about Utah political
representatives being in "lockstep" with sources from the White House.
It can prove challenging for readers of DN to discern the editorial intent in
such stories. I would feel more confident about judging news sources without
quite so much interpretive rhetoric. I believe Utah political leaders exhibit
every sign of sufficient cognitive ability to think for themselves. When their
stories are in agreement, it means they arrived at similar conclusions after
devoting their own consideration to the issues in question. I trust their
judgement with a great deal more confidence than I invest in the reporting of
popular news sources.
"They believe Utah is best poised to take care of its vast public lands and
its air pollution problem, without interference from federal managers."So..... right now with Federal help/guidance, Utah is loosing the battle
on air quality. These four believe that if the EPA stepped out of the
discussion, that the Utah legislature would do more? That the EPA is preventing
the state of Utah from implementing policy that would result in cleaner air?Cool if true. But I don't see how it is true. The EPA
doesn't prevent states from doing more..... so if the state really wanted
to improve air quality, no one in DC is preventing them from doing so. In fact
the Trump administration has talked of doing exactly that though. They want to
prevent California from enacting state emissions standards. Why.....
don't know. If companies don't like California rules.... they can
move operations elsewhere. Not sure why the current EPA leadership would try
to prevent states from doing more.
Trump leaking classified materials to our adversaries....nope no problem
there.We know best what to do with Bear's Ear's,
let's open it up to mining interests so some folks can get rich and then
leave us with scarred land and more pollution.Oh, and pollution -
heck we can fix that too. We will all just stick our heads in the sand a little
deeper and let the sand filter the air we breath.People of Utah need
to wake up and vote the Four Horsemen here out of office soon.
This was a very informative and productive opportunity to hear from our elected
representatives. The questions were varied, and included some hostile
issues.However, this format avoided the circus atmosphere created by
agitators at recent town hall meetings. The officials got a chance to explain
their positions and answer questions without the shouting, harassment and antics
which would embarrass most kindergarten children.Well done to KSL
for doing this. And, to the Representatives who showed why we like them to
represent Utah in Congress.
"Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, said his faith in President Donald Trump was not
shaken by reports that Trump gave highly classified information to Russian
officials."But we have from "Salon:""...Trump summoned FBI Director James Comey to the White House for dinner
and tried to get him to shut down the investigation of Trump’s Russia
connections by asking him to pledge “loyalty." Three weeks
later...Comey went before the House Intelligence Committee and announced that
Trump, his campaign and transition team had been under criminal and
counterintelligence investigation for more than nine months. Trump began
complaining in tweets and interviews that the “Russia thing” was a
“hoax” and “fake news.” When his transparent attempt to
quash the investigation with public bullying didn’t work, Trump began
complaining to aides about Comey and asking what could be done about him.
...Trump generated an entirely false story and used it to justify firing Comey.
Tump lied about why he fired Comey, and almost immediately admitted firing him
because he wanted the Russiagate investigation shut down, and Comey
wouldn’t do it."
"Utah reps in lockstep on Russia, Bears Ears, health care."And may they all down in flames with him!