UteologyWhat I'm saying is if Utah had played 12 (58%) bowl
opponents who were good enough to be ranked in the Final Top 25,that
is, they would have needed a decisive win over Utah in their bowl game to finish
the season ranked, Utah's bowl record would now be 10-10,
instead of 16-4.Bottom line: Utah's 16-4 bowl
record, and consequentially, most of Utah's final Top 25 rankings, are
largely the product of a weak bowl schedule.-----------------Final Top 25 Ranked Bowl OpponentsBYU - 20 (58%) , 18 (51%)
in both pollsOkla St 14-14Navy ur-17Ind 19-16SMU
20-20Ohio St 12-12Ohio St 14-11UCLA 14-14Penn St
15-14Tex A&M 15-13Iowa 10-10Kan 22-23Ohio St
11-10Kan St 17-17Tulane 7-7Marshall 10-10Louisville
17-16Cal 25-25Wash 25-urMemphis 25-25Utah 17-16Utah - 6 (30%) , 4 (20%) in both pollsWSU 15-17USC ur-25Ariz
20-20Pitt 25-urAla 6-6BSU 9-7
@deductive reasoning - Arlington, VAWhat I am saying is if BYU
(14–20–1 41%) was capable of beating a bowl opponent, teams like #23
Louisville, #31 Memphis, #34 Washington, #23 Utah would not be ranked in the
final poll.Enjoy Couch Bowl this postseason!
Former Coach...Penn St scored on 3 straight possessions to win by 14
going away.Utah had to kick a late FG to win by 2
@Elkhorn,And your point. Utah did not trail against San Jose State.
With 4 minutes to play Utah was up 24. With 7 minutes to play Indiana was up
on Penn St. Why does San Jose State have anything to do with this?
Former coach...Penn St beat Indiana by 14.Utah only beat
San Jose St by 17.
@Road Runner,Good point, I forgot about common sense. However
shouldn't common sense have applied this year. Remember Darnold was now an
experienced QB. Utah lost more than USC. I do see you are using the point
difference from each game to validate common sense. Bottom line, common sense
does not play. Are you referring to the Indiana team that lead Penn State with
7 minutes to go in the fourth quarter? Sounds to me like you might be
suggesting that the Big 10 was not that good if Indiana was bad enough to have
the lead in the 4th quarter of the Big 10 champion. The USC Penn State was a
Road Runner,You seem a little new to the world. You still do not
know that USC would have beaten Utah if they had played later in the year.
Nobody knows. Why? Because it didn't happen. The game was played when it
was played, and wasn't played when it wasn't played. Does that make
sense. Also, Utah plays USC tough every year. They are 2-2 against
USC the last 4 years. It is not inconceivable to think that a team that beat
USC would have beat them if they played a few weeks later.
"but, no BYU fan has ever claimed that BYU beat a Pittsburgh team that
finished season ranked."You're right. They just say
something like, "byu beat #3 Pitt in 1984". They don't specify
that Pitt wasn't ranked at the end of the year. So, technically
you're right in saying that they don't specify that Pitt was actually
a 3 win team that year.
@Lonestar: "The USC team that beat all four teams that you lost to, would
have destroyed U if you'd played them in a bowl." @Former
coach...: "And you know this how? "Common sense!USC didn't lose a single game following Utah's upset in RES in late
September.Utah lost 4 of their next 8, including 2 to teams that
finished with losing, 5-7 and 4-8, records.Cal - Utah 23-28; USC
45-24 (+26 point differential)Wash - Utah 24-31; USC 26-13 (+20)Ore
- Utah 28-30; USC 45-20 (+27)Col - Utah 22-27; USC 21-17 (+9)And, let's not forget bowl games:While Utah was struggling to
beat the 9th place team in the Big Ten, Indiana(6-7), by 2 points, 26-24, in
the Chicken Salad Bowl - a team that hadn't won a bowl game in
30 years, and a team Penn State had beaten 45-14,USC was beating Big
Ten Division Champion, #5 Penn State, in the Rose Bowl.
Northern LightsLOL at your frantic and emotional response.---------Not really; just responding. That canned phrase grows old and
tiresome. All of these issues are so trivial; both programs have more to worry
about then the others SOS or bowl opponents rankings; but that's what these
boards have deteriorated too. Even to the point of attacked Utah for having red
pepsi machines on campus. Most Utah fans could care less about BYU's SOS;
and hopefully most BYU's fans could care less about bowl opponents ranking.
With that said; I'm out. Peace, have a good one.
@Lonestar: "When did a BYU fan ever claim that BYU beat a #3-ranked Pitt
team?"@KH: "Lonestar, I've heard over and over and over
again from BYU fans."BYU fans may have mentioned that Pittsburgh
was ranked #3 when BYU beat the Panthers on the road in the first nationally
televised college football game in ESPN history,but, no BYU fan has
ever claimed that BYU beat a Pittsburgh team that finished season ranked.
@Lonestar,"The USC team that beat all four teams that you lost
to, would have destroyed U if you'd played them in a bowl." And you
know this how? Why does there have to be a but involved in this. Utah won,
bottom line. Utah won. Utah played them tough this year. In fact, I can play
this game also, had Utah elected to kick the extra point and play for over time
they would have won this year. I don't know how, but they would have.
This is real simple people. Uteology even gave you a BYU game as an example.
Memphis was not ranked prior to the game with BYU. Winning that game coupled
with the losses of other teams jumped Memphis into the top 25. It happened last
year. San Diego St was not ranked going into the Vegas Bowl. Winning that game
put them in the top 25. It is really simple to understand. I am like the
others who are wondering why this is even a topic of discussion. BYU fans have
plenty of other things to worry about right now.
"When did a BYU fan ever claim that BYU beat a #3-ranked Pitt team?"Lonestar, I've heard over and over and over again from byu fans.
"If it makes you feel better, yes, Utah did beat a USC that
finished #3 in final poll,"Thank you. That did make me feel
better. It's nice to know that a byu fan can acknowledge a big
accomplishment from their rival. "The USC team that beat all
four teams that you lost to, would have destroyed U if you'd played them in
a bowl."That is your opinion. You don't know if that would
have happened and neither do I. What I do know is that Utah beat them when they
were scheduled to play the Utah-USC game.
Spokane Ute"Dead serious Pal. I have never attacked BYU's
SOS; they do a fine job of scheduling for an independent. Also, not whining;
just stating a fact which seems to have upset you. Oh well, maybe you can attack
the color of Utah's on campus pepsi machines. "LOL at your
frantic and emotional response.I'm not upset at anything, in
fact, I couldn't care less whether you personally have attacked BYU's
schedule.I'm simply noting the hypocrisy of Utah fans whining
about BYU's regular season SOS, while getting upset with BYU fans for
questioning Utah's bowl SOS.btw, Utah only allowing red Pepsi
machines on campus is just as silly as Bronco referring to the "red
zone" as the "blue zone".
KH"Sportfan, using your logic, I'd like you to now
acknowledge that BYU did not beat #3 Pitt back in 1984, since Pitt finished the
year with only 3 wins and unranked."When did a BYU fan ever
claim that BYU beat a #3-ranked Pitt team?Pre-season rankings are
meaningless.BYU, did, however, beat #24 Air Force, on the road, in
1984.If it makes you feel better, yes, Utah did beat a USC that
finished #3 in final poll, but, let's not forget that USC was 1-3 at the
time, was starting a Freshman QB in his very first collegiate start, and the
Trojans had just been DESTROYED by Alabama.The USC team that Utah
beat was only a shadow of the team that finished the season ranked #3.The USC team that beat all four teams that you lost to, would have destroyed U
if you'd played them in a bowl.
northern_lights - Layton, UTDec. 6, 2017 8:30 a.m.Spokane
Ute"So now BYU fans have been reduced to questioning Utah's
bowl opponents? Seriously?"Utah fans constantly reduce
themselves to attacking BYU's regular season SOS, but now you're
whining about BYU fans questioning Utah's bowl SOS? Seriously?--------Dead serious Pal. I have never attacked BYU's SOS; they do
a fine job of scheduling for an independent. Also, not whining; just stating a
fact which seems to have upset you. Oh well, maybe you can attack the color of
Utah's on campus pepsi machines. That's one of my favs.
"The ONLY rankings that "count" are FINAL rankings.If a
team isn't ranked in the final rankings, then you didn't play a ranked
team."Sportfan, using your logic, I'd like you to now
acknowledge that byu did not beat #3 Pitt back in 1984, since Pitt finished the
year with only 3 wins and unranked. ...and please acknowledge that
Utah beat #3 USC last year, since USC finished the year ranked #3. Thank you!
Spokane Ute"So now BYU fans have been reduced to questioning
Utah's bowl opponents? Seriously?"Utah fans constantly
reduce themselves to attacking BYU's regular season SOS, but now
you're whining about BYU fans questioning Utah's bowl SOS? Seriously?
Uteology So what you're really saying is, if the
Utes had played a tougher bowl schedule, that is, more teams that
were good enough to FINISH in the Final Top 25 of both major polls, the Utes would have lost more than twice as many bowl games.In
addition to the four bowls the Utes did lose, Utah would have also lost to:1994 Arizona2004 Pittsburgh (there goes Utah's undefeated.
Top 5, Fiesta Bowl winning season)2011 Georgia Tech2014 Colorado
St2015 BYUInstead of being 16-4 in bowls, the Utes would now
be 11-9, with losses in 4 of their last 5 bowl games.Thanks for clearing that up.
phantomblade - Salt Lake City, UtahDec. 6, 2017 12:30 a.m.UteologySo what you’re desperately trying to argue is that
if Utah had LOST more bowl games, the Utes would have played more ranked bowl
opponents.Of course, that means, Utah would have had fewer Top 25
finishes, than the pathetically few they currently have,----------So
now BYU fans have been reduced to questioning Utah's bowl opponents?
Seriously? Uteology is stating a pretty simple concept. He's simply
pointing out that when you beat a team in the final game of the season (bowl
game); it can, and has, knocked teams out of the top 25 and/or lowered their
rankings. I hope that helps. Who's calling who desperate? Good Grief! The
irony of it all is this garbage debate is coming from a program that's an
absolute dumpster fire.
UteologySo what you’re desperately trying to argue is that if
Utah had LOST more bowl games, the Utes would have played more ranked bowl
opponents.Of course, that means, Utah would have had fewer Top 25
finishes, than the pathetically few they currently have,and, of
course,the Utes would have a worse bowl record.Bottom
line:BYU has played a much tougher bowl schedule than Utah, in fact,it’s not even close.
I see that Uteology is still making up his own numbers.Here’s
a clue:The ONLY rankings that “count” are FINAL
rankings.Only a desperate Ute would try to count rankings “at
the time”.If a team isn’t ranked in the final rankings,
then you didn’t play a ranked team.20 of BYU’s bowl
opponents FINISHED the season ranked.Only 6 of Utah’s bowl
opponents FINISHED the season ranked, 2 of those at #25 in ONE poll.
Uteology has proven my point, with data, with facts, I rest my case. It’s a tuff concept if one attempts to correlate ‘moral
victory’ with ‘margin of defeat’.Keep it simple
and objective. Next up, trivia time...What is the worst
decision made by the cougs in the 21st century?a) Independence b) AD recommending independence c) Not hiring Ty Detmer as the AD
One more example from 2014 bowl opponents:#31 Colorado State 10 Utah
45 ... Colorado finished unranked at #38 thanks to Utah.#29 Memphis
55 BYU 48 ... Memphis finished ranked at #25 thanks to BYU.
Truth Machine - Salt Lake City, UTDec. 4, 2017 7:43 p.m.It’s
hilarious how embarrassed Utah fans are with their weak bowl SOS that
they’re inventing different rules for beating a ranked team in a bowl than
they use for the regular season.-----------------------Hilarious is BYU "fans" obsession with moral victories as compared to
actual victories.Bottom line, Utah played 5 ranked bowl teams and
went 4-1 and BYU played 6 ranked bowl teams and went 2-4.Had Utah
went 1-4, we too would be celebrating moral victories of losing to final ranked
CG - Provo, UTDec. 4, 2017 6:49 a.m.UteologyMaking your
own stats again?LOL!The Utes haven’t even come
close to beating 4 of 5 opponents that finished ranked in both polls.----------------------Since 1994:* Utah has
"played" 5 top 25 teams in bowls: Utah 4-1 (80%)1994: #15
Arizona 13 Utah 16 W2004: #19 Pitt 7 Utah 35 W2005: #24 Georgia Tech
10 Utah 38 W2008: #4 Alabama 17 Utah 31 W2009: #10 Boise 26 Utah 3
L* BYU has "played" 6 top 25 teams in bowl: BYU 2-4 (33%)1996: #14 Kansas State 15 BYU 19 W1998: #10 Tulane 41 BYU 27 L1999: #11 Marshall 21 BYU 3 L2001: #23 Louisville BYU 10 L2004:
#16 Oregon State 20 BYU 44 W2015: #20 Utah 35 BYU 28 LHad
Utah gone 0-5, all opponents would have remained ranked.I don't
know about you but I prefer Utah go 4-1 vs top 25 teams in bowl games than going
SportsFan - Provo, UTDec. 4, 2017 9:53 a.m.UteologyDon't know where you're getting your made up numbers from, but17 of Utah's 21 bowl opponents (81%) have finished the season
unranked (15) or ranked (2), just barely (at #25), in only one poll.That's a weak bowl SOS by anyone's definition.-------------------What part of "ranked bowl opponents" is
so confusing?For example:2005 #24 7-5 Georgia Tech was a
"ranked" bowl opponent ... finished un-ranked because 7-5 Utah beat
them.2014 9-3 Memphis was a "unranked" bowl opponent vs
BYU... finished ranked after beating 8-5 BYU.2013 8-4 Washington was
"unranked" bowl opponent vs BYU ... finished ranked after beating 8-5
Ute busters: “Looks like the Utes lobbied their way into another bowl
loss."Another? Utah’s lost one bowl game this century;
out of 13 games. Oh, and your team has lost six. Nice try.
Funny stuff from a few Y fans. Predictions of low attendance and trash talk the
teams Utah plays. Well fortunately this year, you won’t have to make
excuses about BYU attendance or the opponent. BYU played a string of
5 bowl games against the PAC 10 from 2005 to 2009 and won 3 of those games.
Utah went 5-0 during that span with two BCS wins. Since then BYU has bowl wins
over UTEP, Tulsa, San Diego St, and Wyoming and bowl losses to UW, Memphis, and
Utah. Really no room for Y fans to talk about quality wins from
either 2005 to now or 2010 to now. I’ll just leave it at that.
Road Runner: "BYU has played as many ranked bowl opponents as Utah has
played bowls."You mean, BYU-P has lost to as many bowl
@Killarney.........."As usual... frantic and emotional utah-slc supporters
out in mass obsessing about BYU,with absolutely nothing to say about their
bowl opponent."Says the guy with a bunch of his cougie friends
posting on an article about Utah's bowl game. LOL I think this thread shows
exactly how obsessed you and your fellow cougie fans are with big brother Utah!
Thanks for supporting the Utes!
Seriously have to give credit to the Utes - they play Bowl games better than
It’s hilarious how embarrassed Utah fans are with their weak bowl SOS that
they’re inventing different rules for beating a ranked team in a bowl than
they use for the regular season.
@ CG - Provo, UTBottom Line:Utah wins their bowl games.
Silver Lining:We all anticipate another excellent off
season that will be backed up with the usual hype. And your team shouldn’t
lose another game until September, 2018. So I’m sure your strength of bowl
schedule will remain in tact. Oh, if you could send some of the
national following fans to the game, the ones from the Dallas area, be sure to
dress them up in crimson, that would be greatly appreciated.
motorbikeUtah fans are only deluding themselves.Very few
of Utah’s Bowl opponents would have been ranked even with a
win over Utah, just like very few Utah teams have been ranked even with a bowl win.Two mediocre teams beating up on each
other in a bowl doesn’t mean the winner will be ranked.Bottom
line:81% of Utah’s bowl opponents, 17 of 21, have been
unranked or barely ranked, #25, in one poll.Despite your frantic
spin, Utah has played an extremely weak bowl SOS.
I wonder how many of the BYU fans who are mocking the Utes' bowl invite
have ever attended a bowl game? Will I be attending the bowl in Dallas, yes.
I've taken my family to several Utah bowl games in the past and we've
had a wonderful time. After the season BYU just concluded with
losses to some of the worst teams in the country, (East Carolina, UMass)
I'm surprised by the chest pounding regarding BYU of the past.How about getting a win against the Utes as a place to start.
So tell me, when should Utah apologize for winning their bowl games? No excuses.
The arguments that the poor cougars are making... just weak sauce.
The cougs have had their fair share of bowl cupcakes. Remember when
they lost back to back against the ‘green teams’ - Tulane and
Marshall? But the good news is those games were east of the Mississippi and help
them with the independence idea. And I don’t even have to look this stuff
Uteanymous"Your frantic spin belies the fact that most of
BYU’s pre-bowl ranked teams were also ranked post bowl."--------------I believe that was the point the other poster was
making...that BYU's list of bowl opponents were more likely to finish
ranked than Utah's opponents. This because Utah typically wins their bowl
games (dropping their opponent's ranking) while BYU typically loses
(bolstering their opponent's ranking).
I think a certain fan base has a case of Bowl-envy. And...You would
think losing to your rival every year for a while and absolute train wreck of a
season would cause them to lay low. Nope, those who scoffed at SOS when the U
joined the PAC suddenly referenced SOS early this year to explain losses. Now
they attack the U's bowl SOS? Hilarious!
Former Coach -You're correct, teams have very little control
over their bowl opponent, but they do have enormous control over the quality of
their opponent by virtue of how well they themselves do in the regular season.
@Rockwell,I simply pointed out that you have no control over your
bowl opponent. I never came close to saying Utah deserved a better opponent.
I'm thrilled with the bowl they have considering the season. Perhaps you
should read my post again.
It will be a slight upgrade from the annual pillow fight in the Rockies.Though not nearly as good as the Mountaineer team BYU played last
season, at least West Virginia has a winning record.I wonder how
many Utah fans will be willing to shell out a thousand bucks to attend a bowl
game the day after Christmas for a 6-6 team.
Former coachI’m saying that if you thought that a 6-6 Utah
team was going to be invited to play a Top 25 team in a bowl, you’re only
deluding yourself.Bottom line:A weak 6-6 team is playing
another weak 7-5 team. Most fans wouldn’t even care about such a game
during the regular season.Before the proliferation of the bowls that
made playing in a lower tier bowl practically meaningless, a 6-6 team
wouldn’t have even been invited to a bowl.
Let's see...Heart of Dallas Bowl or hopelessly sit on the couch and agonize
over the downfall of and bleak outlook for my program. Yeah! Heart
of Dallas Bowl on ESPN as the bowling season revs up for New Year's Day and
the CFP. Sorry trolls...but the Utes have already been projected to
win on the ESPN web site.Go Utes!
7 upYour whiny excuse for why Utah has played so few ranked bowl
teams is hilarious.
7 upYour frantic spin belies the fact that most of BYU’s
pre-bowl ranked teams were also ranked post bowl.It also ignores the
fact that BYU destroyed then #16 Oregon St so badly that it dropped the Beavers
out of the final polls, just barely, but BYU fans aren’t so desperate to
add another ranked bowl opponent to their list, that they have to frantically
count unranked opponents.
@Rockwell,So you are saying everyone who was bowl eligible knew
before yesterday who they were playing? I don't think so. Most school
have a good idea, but nothing for sure until after the official selection.
While finishing ranked will almost certainly get you a ranked opponent in the
bowl game, that is not a for sure thing either. Utah got Indiana last year,
Boise State has Oregon, Memphis has Iowa State, NC State has Arizona State,
Northwestern has Kentucky this year.
I'm gonna root for my Utes, even though I hate the fact that all of the
Whittingham fanatics will rave about his 'best bowl coach' status.
Beating a 7-5 West Virginia team does nothing to make him worthy of a P5
coaching job. He has proven nothing, and we need to move on to a real P5
coach.For all of you who will point to the win against Alabama so
many years ago (with Urban's players), need I remind you that coaching is
all about "what have you done for me lately?" Lately, we have been
mediocre, have a LOSING record in the PAC12 since joining and have never made a
championship game. Those are indisputable facts.GOUTES!
SunnyWhich bowl invited BYU?The same bowl that’s
invited utah-slc for 102 of their 123 seasons, including 2 of their last 6
Juice Box - Eureka, UT "Yay! Heart of Dallas Bowl! What an
accomplishment! I'm so glad we can hang our hats on this."Why would you make fun of the Heart of Dallas Bowl? It is one of the 14
ESPN-controlled bowl games that BYU would have been in line for, had they not
decided to tank the season. The Heart of Dallas Bowl could very well have been
the destination for an 11 win Cougar team.Given the awful season and
your television contract coming up for renewal, Cougar fans shouldn't be
dissing the ESPN product line.
I'm still stunned that Alabama is in the playoff...a one loss team that
didn't win its conference or division, that played one less game than
conference champions. Sheesh. They should have sent UCF rather than
'Bama! Now if the PAC can get its act together, what a bad
It'd be nice if more than 2k fans decide to go to Dallas, the U travels
incredibly poorly and a mediocre year will only make it worse. I'm still
debating if the game will be good enough to warrant a trip down.Go
I’ll state the obvious here. When you win your bowl game the
losing team’s ranking takes a hit. Typically, Utah wins their bowl game.
See winning record. When you lose your bowl game the winning
team’s ranking improves. And the Cougars have been very generous in this
regard. See losing record. How come Utah has more bowl wins than the
Cougars? The cougars have played in so many since the early 70’s.
To all BYU fans posting here...BYU is the most awesome football team
ever! They play the toughest schedules year in and year out and always beat
everyone! Win every conference championship even now they are independent! Play
the toughest bowl schedule and win them all even this year when they won their
bowl game without being invited! Have that nation championship in 1984* all
those individual awards for their most awesome players over the seventies and
eighties. They are clearly the most awesome team! Utah just pales in comparison
as well as Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, Michigan, USC, Notre Dame and pretty
much every other team around. Talk about a fan base? It is worldwide 15 million
plus strong. That stadium... none better and it is always filled to the hilt.
The best athletes around bar none. Players going to the NFL in droves. The only
thing that ever has held them back is those bigots. Shame on them!You guys are just so right. Is it ok if I just keep supporting Utah and enjoy
their bowl invite even though you have all helped me understand they will never
win? Can I also enjoy being in the Pac-10.2 and support a bottom feeder program?
Cool! Thanks for your help.
@10:41In composing your empty barrel/frantic and emotional/obsession
filled response... You forgot to mention...Which Bowl selected
@Road Runner: "BYU has played as many ranked bowl opponents as Utah has
played bowls." @Jeremy234: "Do you guys just make stuff
up?"Unlike desperate Utah fans, BYU fans don't need to make
anything up.It's an absolute, verifiable fact.BYU
ranked bowl opponents: 20Utah bowls played in: 20
Former Coach"Who you play in bowl games is pretty much out of
your control."Who you play in bowl games is determined by how
you finish during the regular season.Win a WAC, MWC or PAC 12
championship and finish the regular season ranked in the Top 20, and your
chances of playing a ranked team in a bowl are pretty good.Finish
3rd through 9th in your conference and unranked, and your chances of playing a
ranked team in a bowl are pretty much nil.
Big JCG's post was a direct response to Uteology's post@Uteology - "Utah is 4-1 (80%) vs ranked bowl teams: wins over AP #4
Bama, #24 GTech, #19 Pitt, #15 Arizona and loss to #10 Boise."@CG - "The Utes haven’t even come close to beating 4 of 5 opponents
that finished ranked in both polls."As Sportsfan noted - "17
of Utah's 21 bowl opponents (81%) have finished the season unranked (15) or
ranked (2), just barely (at #25), in only one poll."Regardless
of how you spin it, Utah has played a weak bowl schedule.
SUNNY ALL DAYAs usual... frantic and emotional utah-slc supporters
out in mass obsessing about BYU,with absolutely nothing to say about
their bowl opponent.
Road Runner "BYU has played as many ranked bowl opponents as Utah has played
bowls." Do you guys just make stuff up?
Big J"Utah has not played many bowl opponents who have ended the
season ranked. Last time I checked - a team has little control over who a bowl
opponent is. You have to play who you get."Teams also don't
have any control over whether teams scheduled during the regular season end up
ranked or not, or even finish with a winning record.A team that was
expected to finish 9-3 could easily finish 3-9.SOS is what it is and
Utah, which has a pathetic record of winning conference championships during the
last 60 years, usually ends up playing a weak bowl opponent because the Utes are
always matched up with the 3rd through 9th bowl associated with their
conference.Bottom line is Utah has played a weak list of bowl
opponents and that's primarily Utah's fault.
@Ufan - Salt Lake City, UT@CG - Provo, UT - post says nothing about
bowl opponents. Read his post again. He does talk about a BYU season record.Utah has not played many bowl opponents who have ended the season
ranked. Last time I checked - a team has little control over who a bowl opponent
is. You have to play who you get. What I do know for sure is Utah wins most of
its bowl games 10-1 in the last 11. I feel good about Utah winning this one as
As usual... frantic and emotional byu-p supporters out in mass with nothing to
say...BTW,Which Bowl selected byu-p?
Who you play in bowl games is pretty much out of your control. Talking about
ranked opponents and stuff is ridiculous. Especially coming from BYU fans who
are quick to claim the 1984 National Championship with a win over a 6-5 Michigan
team. Did BYU have any control over that opponent, No, they didn't. You
go and play the other team that gets invited.
UteologyDon't know where you're getting your made up
numbers from, but17 of Utah's 21 bowl opponents (81%) have
finished the season unranked (15) or ranked (2), just barely (at #25), in only
one poll.That's a weak bowl SOS by anyone's definition.
Traveling to Dallas on Christmas Day to attend a bowl game for a 6-6 team?No thanks.
Final Top 20 Bowl Opponents that Utah has beaten:#20 - Arizona#6 - AlabamaFinal Top 20 Bowl Opponents that Utah has lost to:#15 - Washington St#9 - Boise StUnranked Utah bowl
opponents:15 of 21 (71%)Unranked or ranked in only one
poll17 of 21 (81%)
@CG - "The Utes haven’t even come close to beating 4 of 5 opponents
that finished ranked in both polls."@Big J - "See what
living in the 'blue bubble' has done for you."We're talking BOWL opponents here - try to stay up with conversation.See what living under the crimson bubble has done for you.
For BYU fans frantically pleading for BYU to rejoin the MWC,SDSU(10-2), beat CFP #13 Stanford, will be playing Armyin the Armed Forces Bowl in TCU's home stadium.
Looks like the Utes lobbied their way into another bowl loss.Instead
of beating Wyoming in the Potato Bowl,they're going to get
smashed in the Heart of Dallas.
@CG - Provo, UT“The Utes haven’t even come close to beating 4
of 5 opponents that finished ranked in both polls.”See what
living in the “blue bubble” has done for you. Utah twice has beaten
four final ranked opponents both in 1994 and 2008. They have also beaten two
final ranked opponents in 2015 & 2016. BYU has only beaten two final ranked
opponents twice in 1983 and 1996.Utah’s last win against an AP
final ranked opponent was 2016 when they beat 3rd AP ranked USC. Below is a
chart of final AP ranked teams Utah has beaten including the year:YearRankTeamRecord199220Hawaii11-2199411Oregon8-4199416Colorado State10-2199418BYU10-3199420Arizona8-4200425Pitt8-4200622TCU11-220086Alabama12-220087TCU11-2200818Oregon State9-4200825BYU10-3201311Stanford11-3201410UCLA10-3201420USC9-4201512Michigan10-3201519Oregon9-420163USC10-3Utah’s best win against an
AP final ranked opponent was 2016 when Utah beat 3rd ranked USC. Interestingly
Utah also has top 10 wins against final AP 6th ranked Alabama and 7th AP ranked
TCU both in 2008.
West Virginia will obliterate Ute fans False Bravado. Go
Mountaineers! .... Go John Denver!
Yay! Heart of Dallas Bowl!What an accomplishment! I'm so glad
we can hang our hats on this.
Utes have little chance vs WVU--if Will Grier plays. If Grier is out, its a
toss up.Go Mountaineers!
Mr. Boris - Layton, UTDec. 3, 2017 6:29 p.m."The fact is neither
Utah or BYU will ever be in the college football playoffs the way the system is
now. As overrated as the PAC 12 was this year I still think USC should have gone
to the playoffs before Alabama or Ohio State. So bowl game or no
bowl game. P5 or independent. None of it matters. There are still only about 8
teams that have a chance to get to the ESPN playoffs every year and the Utes or
Cougars aren't one of them."Mr. Boris is so right. You
haters from both side need to face facts. If you doubt ask UCF; undefeated
season and no invite. the system is set so only a few can have the opportunity
for a NC.Who's better is irrelevent. It's a game. If this
is all you're life has for relevance then quite watching and go serve the
poor, donate your time to a shelter, or give to your favorite charity, but quite
all the hate. Be happy when your team win. Appreciate good comptition. Quite
all the hate - life is too short.1 LikeReport
UteologyMaking your own stats again?LOL!The
Utes haven’t even come close to beating 4 of 5 opponents that finished
ranked in both polls.You mock BYU’s 9-4 seasons versus
“weak” SOS, make whiny excuses for Utah’s 5-7 bowl less
seasons because of “tough” schedules, and beat your chests about a
bowl record of beating a vast majority of mediocre bowl opponents.Classic Ute fan misleading spin.
@Mr. Boris - Layton, UTYour post had me laughing. BYU has not been
the premier football program in the state of Utah for more than 15 years if even
then. Think what you want if that makes you feel better.As for
making the four-team playoff... that may never happen but Utah has a much better
chance than BYU will ever have.
Best of luck to the Utes.Stay healthy and bring home the win.
It's so cute when the blue faithful make up things and then post it as
truth. byu's winning percentage against ranked teams in bowl
games is less than 40%. Utah's winning percentage against ranked teams
stands at 80%.Why let the truth get in the way of a good story? 😂
Road Runner - Cedar City, UTDec. 3, 2017 6:22 p.m.whoamiUtah has played one of weakest bowl schedules - practically no teams ranked in
the Top 20 in both polls.Most of Utah’s bowl opponents lost 5
or more games.BYU has played as many ranked bowl opponents as Utah
has played bowls.------------BYU the King of moral
victories.Utah is 4-1 (80%) vs ranked bowl teams: wins over AP #4
Bama, #24 GTech, #19 Pitt, #15 Arizona and loss to #10 Boise.BYU is
4-11 (36%): wins over #16 Oregon State, #14 Kansas State, #20 Washington State,
and #19 SMUWhere do you want your participation trophy mailed?
@BorisBYU is still the premiere football program in the state and
always will be. Michigan St. beats Michigan every year but when you think of
football in the state of Michigan you don't think of the Spartans. The Utes
will always be 2nd in this state regardless of records, conference affiliation,
etc. and that's just the way it is.----Alternative
facts.When people were asked your favorite team in the state, people
said:1. Utah Football1. Utah Jazz3. BUT football 4. RSL 5. Utah basketball
Utah lucked into a really good bowl game, all things considered. The Utes get
to play in the Cotton Bowl stadium against a traditionally good P5 team that
performed fairly well this year. I agree that the date may not be optimal for
most fans in terms of travel but overall Utah scored a much better game than
most of us guessed would be the case. The opponent, the venue and even the
later December date all provide quite a bit of cachet for the Utes. I wish the Utes the best (sincerely) and hope they win (it makes us look
better if they do) but, unfortunately, I think that West Virginia takes this
one. [I just hope that we win enough games next year so that we can
return to the bowl scene. I think we will but I also thought that we would have
10 wins this year.]
Ute fans, why are your comments slanted towards BYU?You got a great
opponent in a good locale.Why compare?Shows you are still the
lil' bro...We will know you aren't when you stop taking
shots at the Cougars...
@Mr. Boris"BYU is still the premiere football program in the
state and always will be...the Utes will always be 2nd in this state regardless
of records, conference affiliation, etc. and that's just the way it
is."Haha, that was an awesome rant! Feel better now?
Utah is going to a bowl. Utah State is going to a bowl. Bronco Mendenhall and
his Virginia P5 team is going to a bowl.Guess who's not going
to a bowl?BYU.
“BYU is still the premiere football program in the state and always will
be.“Pure tripe....byu successfully erased their status as #1
in the state many, many yrs ago, long before LE retired.Merely see
head-to-head results against us over the last quarter-century & then review
their BCS/CFP national stage resumes....Zero BCS bowl games/CFP Poll
rankings.When did byu last beat a finish ranked P5 opponent?Shoot, when did byu last even finish the year ranked, themselves, in any
Nice to see a handful of Y fans making classy posts. Then there are those that
apparently have no class and make the same negative posts. I’m
excited for the Utes to play in a historic venue against a Big 12 team. Sure
beats playing in the LV bowl again.
“Bottom line - the location where Utah plays its bowl game is irrelevant
as far as recruiting is concerned.”Pure
tripe....There’ll be plenty of recruits in attendance & a future
selling pt to recruits plus an outstanding return back home for all of our Texas
kids currently on our roster.
It's so ridiculous to hear about BYU in the comments for every story about
the Utes.The Utes are in a P5 conference. That's great. I
think everyone knows that by now.BYU is still the premiere football
program in the state and always will be. Michigan St. beats Michigan every year
but when you think of football in the state of Michigan you don't think of
the Spartans. The Utes will always be 2nd in this state regardless of records,
conference affiliation, etc. and that's just the way it is.The
fact is neither Utah or BYU will ever be in the college football playoffs the
way the system is now. As overrated as the PAC 12 was this year I still think
USC should have gone to the playoffs before Alabama or Ohio State. So bowl game or no bowl game. P5 or independent. None of it matters. There
are still only about 8 teams that have a chance to get to the ESPN playoffs
every year and the Utes or Cougars aren't one of them.
whoamiUtah has played one of weakest bowl schedules - practically no
teams ranked in the Top 20 in both polls.Most of Utah’s bowl
opponents lost 5 or more games.BYU has played as many ranked bowl
opponents as Utah has played bowls.
ninersDon’t kid yourself. There won’t be
half as many Utah fans at the Heart of Dallas Bowl as BYU fans who attend
Made-for-TV games in NFL stadiums.
The article claims Utah's bowl record is 16 - 5 while Phil Steele and
others say it is 16-4. The difference has to be the 1940's Hawaii bowl.
Either way that is the best winning percentage among the 130 FBS teams with 15
bowl games or more! Think of any FBS team and realize Utah has a better bowl
winning percentage! That is one of many factors that led to a PAC-12
Cool EnoughGo Utes
@ I Still Can’t - What you still can’t do is get BYU out of your
head.Good Luck Utah
Utes play after xmas day. Utes play a fellow power 5 team. Respectable and a
Success. Just win baby!!!
I don't anticipate that many Utah fans will actually make the trip to
Dallas,but, at least the Utes will have a chance to finish with a
Good matchup for the Utes in a great venue. Unfortunately the time slot is
lousy but much better than playing in the LV Bowl again.
I like the match up and the venue but I'm not crazy about the date. This
pretty much means you have to spend Christmas Day traveling. This should be a
great game, and probably means that some of our players who were sidelined with
injuries will be available for the game.
@BC“It'll be interesting to see how fans show up for an early
Tuesday afternoon game in Dallas the day after Christmas.”Not
sure.... it’s likely going to be more than the BYU fans that show up for
these “made for TV” games in NFL stadiums that are 25% full. Also
more than showed up to UNLV (self proclaimed LES South) where that tiny stadium
was barely half full. Not that it’s a hard feat, but I’d say BYU
fans have nothing to brag about. BYUs biggest accomplishment this year was
losing to Wisconsin by ONLY five touchdowns, while feeding the Wisconsin fans
free ice cream...
I Still Can't Say It"This is a great match up and
opportunity for the Utes. They play a fellow P5 team in a good recruiting
area."December 18, 2017, through January 11, 2018 is a Dead
Period - During a dead period a college coach may not have face-to-face contact
with college-bound student-athletes or their parents, and may not watch
student-athletes compete or visit their high schools.Bottom line -
the location where Utah plays its bowl game is irrelevant as far as recruiting
Great job and good luck Utes!! This Cougar Fan is suffering through reruns of
past BYU Bowl games on BYUTV.
Perfect. As long as the bowl game ISN’T in Nevada or Idaho and IS against
a P5 opponent, I’m happy. Go Utes.
It'll be interesting to see how fans show up for an early Tuesday afternoon
game in Dallas the day after Christmas.
A good match for 6-6 Utes -- vs the #5 Big 12 team, historic Cotton Bowl stadium
on the State Fair Grounds, coaches can do some recruiting in Texas... A
nice change up from the Vegas Bowl.
This is a great match up and opportunity for the Utes. They play a fellow P5
team in a good recruiting area.What bowl is BYU playing in this
Congrats Utes. Make the state of Utah proud!