@ skeptic - Phoenix, AZ - Jan. 11, 2018 9:50 a.m. - "Mormon theology has
many amazing insights and concepts of religion to contemplate and consider as to
man's purpose. It is too bad that it is clouded with so much of man's
fiction and deception so as to cast suspicion on its realities and
possibilities."Overcome your suspicion. Humble yourself and ask
God, in faith, just like James said.I did. And now I
RE: Twin Lights: "My point was (and is) if God created man to give himself
glory (that is, man was created for the benefit of God), then he is not much of
a God." Martin Luther’ has some words for you. “if I
am ignorant of the works and powers of God, I am ignorant of God himself; and if
I do not know God, I cannot *worship, praise, give thanks or serve Him, for I do
not know how much I should attribute to myself and how much to Him. We need,
therefore, to have in mind a clear-cut distinction between God's power and
ours, and God's work and ours .”Christians *worship God
(not man) “in spirit and in truth” (John 4:23-24). We must be born
again= (G.anothen/from above). Without the Holy Spirit we cannot respond
to God in *worship because we do not know Him.“ No one knows the
things of God except the Spirit of God” (1Cor 2:11b). The Holy Spirit is
the one who energizes worship because He is in essence glorifying Himself, and
all true worship glorifies God, not man. But," the word of God is alive and
active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul
and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the
@Thid Barker Your welcome, laughter is good. Have a nice day.
RE: Thid Barker . Thus policies change with the times.?Did these
change ?That seer
his name shall be called Joseph and it shall be
after the name of his father”. ( Genesis 50:33 JST),JS adds prophecy about
himself to his Inspired Version. But NOT found in Greek Septuagint(Apostles
Bible) or dead sea scrolls..@ Abraham 3:26 “kept not their
*first estate= (Jude 1: 6 KJV,JST) JS misunderstood the KJV translation. Context, E.g
.the angels who did not stay within
their own position of authority,..(Jude 1: 6 NIV)or,
the angels who did
not stay within the limits of authority
( Jude 1:6 NLT) Context,”
angels when they sinned, but sent them to (*tartarÓ
”)) 2 Peter 2:4) actually Fallen angels(demons) Not pre
mortality.. (*tartarÓ 5020) punishment fit for demons.
JS’s doctrine of the pre-existence of the soul, came the idea of some
spirits being more noble than others. "the noble and great ones" (
Abraham 3:22). The Mormon leaders taught that the "more noble" or
choice spirits are born as Mormons. But some(Moses 7:8) were considered to have
been more unfaithful in the pre-existence than any of the spirits who were
allowed to take bodies.
Twin Lights: My apologies and excellent point!Michael_M: Very funny!
Had a good laugh, thank you!
@Thid BarkerAnd alligators are so angry because they got all them teeth
but no toothbrush.
CMTM; Because there was a time when only members of the Israelite tribe of Levi
held the priesthood, as per the law of Moses, a Levite himself! Thus policies
change with the times (blacks holding the priesthood) but doctrines (faith,
repentance, baptism, et al) are eternal and never change! Besides, I think black
skin is beautiful and when ever I see a black brother or sister in church, I
rejoice! The Lord's church needs them!
Thid Barker,I think you misunderstand me. I was commenting in
response to CMTM or Sharrona. My point was (and is) if God created man to give
himself glory (that is, man was created for the benefit of God), then he is not
much of a God. If instead God's purpose in creating man was to bring to
pass man's immortality and eternal life (God here creating being focused on
the benefit of man) then that is quite a different matter.
RE: Twin Lights. God created man and that He created him for His glory (Isaiah
43:7).Therefore, the ultimate purpose of man, according to the
Bible, is simply to glorify God.So whether you eat or drink or whatever
you do, do it all for the Glory of God. (1 Cor 10:31).(Gen 1:26 LXX)
Verse let *US”
*OUR ’image’. 27 God made man, according
to the image ’of God’**=( Theou,,not gods. Who being the brightness
of his Glory The trinity in the O.T. 1391 G. ("glory") = OT
word, kabo (OT 3519). Both convey God's infinite, intrinsic worth
(substance, essence).RE: Thid Barker; The book of ,Moses 7:8 "a
blackness came upon all the children of Canaan. . . ."Moses 7:22 ".for
the seed of Cain were black and had not place among them."Since
the Mormon God has removed the curse that was once on the black race, why has he
not also removed the mark? If the sole purpose of the black skin was merely to
identify those who should not receive priesthood blessings, and that no longer
applies, why are people still being born with this mark?
Twin Lights: God a "narcissist" for wanting the best for his children?
Really? I think being an "accident" makes all life (including our own)
pointless! I choose God's plan!Michael_M: Platypuses were
created to give variety and beauty to the earth, same as ostriches, alligators
and giraffes! Besides, I bet they think humans look weird!
CMTM,There are two problems with God's purpose in creating man
being to create something that would give him glory. First, it would make God a
massive narcissist - hardly omni-benevolent. Second, man is a poor instrument
to that task. He could do better.
Still doesn't explain the platypus.
skeptic,"Mormon theology has many amazing insights and concepts of
religion to contemplate and consider as to man's purpose."____________________Mormonism continues a tradition repeated for
thousands of years with every rise of a new religion. It builds on what preceded
it, modifies, and expands to speak to new generations and a changing world.
It’s somewhat evocative of Jesus’ cautionary parable about not
putting new wine into old wineskins causing them to burst.
RE: Central Texan, The Pearl of Great Price in comparison to the Bible: The
first 6 chapters of Genesis(JST)or The Book of Moses contains 311 verses, While
the Septuagint and Masoretic texts contain 184 verses. JST adds “
127” verses which are not supported by the Septuagint and Masoretic
texts or Dead Sea Scrolls. But over 123 N.T.& O.T quotes support
the existing O.T. E.g
,The Westminster Shorter Catechism
Question. 1. Man's chief end is to glorify God. (Rom. 11:36). “ For
everything comes from him and exists by his power and is intended for his glory.
All glory to him forever! Amen.(Ps. 73:25-28.) “Whom have I in
heaven but you? I desire you more than anything on earth. My health may fail,
and my spirit may grow weak, but God remains the strength of my heart; he is
mine forever. Those who desert him will perish, for you destroy those who
abandon you. But as for me, how good it is to be near God! I have made the
Sovereign Lord my shelter, and I will tell everyone about the wonderful things
you do.” Vs,Moses 1:39 For behold, this is my work and my
glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. ,
Mormon theology has many amazing insights and concepts of religion to
contemplate and consider as to man's purpose. It is too bad that it is
clouded with so much of man's fiction and deception so as to cast suspicion
on its realities and possibilities. When one is lectured that the BOM is a true
history of a great Hebrew nation here on the American continent for over a
thousand years as recent as two thousand years ago and some of today's
American Indians are of Hebrew decent. While all this is known and proven not to
be true: then what is one to believe. The church really needs to set the record
straight in order to provide better understanding of Mormonism and religion in
The verse in Moses 1:39 is quite a contrast with what is heard from other
Christians.When asked about why God has bothered to create man, we
hear "For his own pleasure," "To show forth his power," "to
create people to worship him or attend him" and things like that.Although from our standpoint it is all about God, Jesus, and the Spirit, Moses
1:39 shows that from His standpoint, it's all about us.
Profound article Dr. Peterson! Thank you!