cjd1"Remember a few weeks Grimes proclaimed he will have
"the best offensive coaches BYU ever had? I dont think so."I
for one will give this coaching staff the benefit of the doubt and see if they
can turn the offense around. I'm sure not taking a Yoot Troll's
opinion to heart on this, especially without a game under their
I have to agree with the posters about Whittingham and the OC constant fiasco -
it's been a decade and it's not getting any better.Taylor
is a very talented OC, should be pass happy, the problem is that when you have a
passing OC coming into a new system, they take a year and go for stability using
a running QB, and after that year they build in their system and often it
doesn't take.Which is why BYU did well with Detmer as OC and
Taysom ran the QB position, until Taysom was gone and Tanner needed to drop back
and pass, and it didn't go so well.Will be interesting to see
if Troy Taylor makes it through year #2, my guess is that the Utah defense will
keep the Utes in some games but the offense, which has never been a dynamic
passing offense and doesn't have the 4 years needed to bring up players to
that point, won't become what they hope to become.It takes
years to make that transition - I wish BYU would have given Detmer one more year
to make it, did you notice the new OC was a running game coordinator?
BYU's stacking up a big OL and RBs - I think Utah is one cycle behind us
right now for the offense but we'll see.I hope both teams do
well next year.
@SoonerUte:Let's look a little closer at the stats. 499 of those
yards were against Dakota St., BYU, and San Jose St. The three biggest cupcakes
on your schedule. Which left him with 481 total receiving yards for the rest of
the season. That equates to 8 games at 5.5 receptions per game at 60 yards per
game. A little over 1 reception per quarter. Like I said, a staff who
couldn't figure out how to get him the ball. Don't cherry pick fox
sports numbers for the year...look at the whole body of work. Did great against
the cupcakes. But obviously the staff had no clue on how to use him in
conference play. This isn't a knock on Carrington, this is a knock on a
staff that can't utilize offensive talent. But before you go all crazy on
me, this is the identity of Ute football under Whittingham. Strong defense and
special teams, that's who they are. And I don't care if Jack Tuttle,
Leveon Bell, Tom Brady, or Adam Thielen played for the Utes, the results would
be the same. Sorry pal, I have 15 years of history on my side. You, well you
just think I'm bagging on the Utes, I'm not. I'm just stating the
@Lester----There is no such place as BYU-P, except in obsessed ute minds. There
is BYU-I and BYU-H, as well as BYU. Got it?
@pugmanI have been part of this rivalry since the late 70’s as a
youngster, had the blue blinders and now drink the red Kool aid ( I went to the
U)THe 80’s were a great time for the cougs, but the landscape of
college football has changed dramatically. also, the U is putting so much $ into
football that wasn’t there in the 80’s and 90’s, don’t
see byU being able to keep up. The offense will come around, they will win
8th straight against the cougs, it will not be close and should win the south.
I do wish byU and Kalani the best in there efforts to recapture the good
ole days In provo, they were glorious! Go Utes
This article has nothing to do with utah, yet why so many posters making it
about utah? Forget about the tun and put the focus where the headline reads.
Spring ball is right around the corner and these coaches are going to do all
they can to turn a negative into a positive.Go Cougars!
Pugman - Tremonton "Look at Carrington this past year. Probably the most
frustrated player in NCAA history. You had one of the top receivers in the
nation and a coach who wouldn't get him the ball."Mind if
we look at the stats for Carrington? (receptions/yards)OR 2014 - 37 /
704OR 2015 - 32 / 609OR 2016 - 43 / 606UT 2017 - 70 / 980 Twice the receptions per year than at Oregon.Almost a 1,000 yard
receiving season.Not bad for a player hampered by a "coach who
wouldn't get him the ball".
Wow, still so many haters after an awful BYU football season? That is really
quite telling in itself.There is always optimism before the season
begins and I'm looking forward to seeing what these new coaches and new
players can do in the next few years, go Cougars!
@NavalWrong. You've gone through 10 OCS in 12 years. Whittingham
can't get out of the defensive mindset. Which is fine you need a great
defense. He will never let Troy Taylor implement the kind of offense that he
wants to run. Look at Carrington this past year. Probably the most frustrated
player in NCAA history. You had one of the top receivers in the nation and a
coach who wouldn't get him the ball.
Pug: “Utah isn't very good and they haven't been very good as
their record indicates in the pack.“ “They have their own problems
that there coaches fail to recognize...”The three years prior
to last year’s rebuilding year, the Utes ended the season nationally
ranked and in every CFP ranking poll. Plus, we’re in the prestigious
PAC-12. Face the fact, you would give anything to have those
“problems.”The aberration of the 70’s and
80’s are long gone and never to be repeated. Today, Utah beats BYU-P and
drops in the polls. The coaches recognize that problem, they just can’t
do anything about it as long as they are forced to play BYU-P.
DC Surfs: “He hasn’t been to as many places as I’ve been, but
he’s familiar with a lot of offenses at that other place."The U has been notorious for doing this to BYU over the last 15 years. Finally
one of our coaches has done it in return. I sure like Grimes a lot more now!!!
”So that’s the secret as to why the U owns BYU-P.
Hiring coaches that played there thirty years ago? The only
“nortoriety” in those moves is coaches that want to move up to a
more relevant and successful program. ARod is a fired reject from the U, hardly
anyone to get very excited about and he knows zero about TT’s offense.With Utah’s trajectory on the rise and superior depth, I think
BYU-P fans may regret getting their way and playing their “Super
Bowl” the last game of the season.
u fans will never be anything in the pac ten, because they constantly live in
Provo. Whitt will be fired next year after another 5th place in the south
finish. Hill knows that Whitt is in over his head, besides the fact that Hill
can't stand Whitt. Live in Provo u fans and 5th place is your new norm...
Cjd1,Wishful thinking on your part doesn't change the fact that you
have no data yet to support your opinion! I only the other hand am will to wait
until after at least the first real game to pass judgement on the new coaching
cjd...and how do you know that, given they have not had a single season under
their belts. You must be one of the those unusual guys/girls who are able to
predict the future. Not a bad quality to possess in this age of confusion and
uncertainty.As for me I will give the coaches a chance to get
settled, devise the approach they can all work with and then teach and lead. We
shall see where this goes, probably not knowing the outcome of the effort for
two years. That's not long to wait, given how last year went. As far as
our game with the Utes, we should probably play it, then get the horns out and
blow with mighty bursts of energy...or get the towels out and blubber like the
children we all tend to be at times.My prediction still holds for
the Utes for next year...South champs. My prediction for the Y is much
simpler...bowl game.The player in our great state I am most anxious
to watch...Elder Covey. What a bundle of talent and energy. He will make a
difference. And he fits into the new U offense perfectly. He will be explosive
this year.Most important, I hope all of the players stay healthy,
get a good education and remember the dream they are living.
Pugman:Utah's Offense will improve because...1.
Utah's recruiting had been reeling in better Offensive players than we have
in the past.2. Kyle Whittingham had brought in better Offensive
coaches than we've had in the past. The upgrades at OL, WR, and QB/OC have
already demonstrated that improvement. Admittedly, losing Erickson to
retirement was a bit of a bump in the road, but the much drop-off at the RB
position had been balanced out by the volume of the talent upgrade.3. Next year, our Offensive coaches and system/strategy would enter "Year
2" -- which points to improvements in "consistency" and "system
implementation". Plus our younger recruits have been recruited to fill Troy
Taylor's Offensive strategy, rather than requiring TT to shoehorn the
existing players who'd been recruited for a different strategy into one
that they perhaps weren't the best fit for.
Cougar fans I believe need to remember that most of the Ute posters on this
board are kids.They forget how they were owned by BYU in the 70s and 80s
this is a cycle that goes around and BYU is down right now.Their day will come
again I'll guarantee it. I'm not saying BYU will ever be like the 70s
and 80s with the Utes again, but it will balance out. One reason it will balance
out is Utah isn't very good and they haven't been very good as their
record indicates in the pack. They have their own problems that there coaches
fail to recognize, and they will always have them.They have a track record of
this. Ute fans would be very well advised not to get excited about your offense.
Your offense has never done anything. I would ask any one of you to come on here
and tell me why you believe your offense is going to change anytime soon, it
never has, Whittingham won't let it and thats the sad truth and that is why
you will always be mired in the middle to the bottom third of your conference.
Or as you Ute fans like to say, irrelevant
Cougdon Josh:“Still Utes fans can't seem to figure it
what it means to win”So I guess the final score never matters?
Only the final individual stats in each category? #Coug LogicStill,
Coug fans can’t seem to figure what IT means to win! Only three days away
from the big 3000 day mark! With that class ranked around 90, with a bunch of
zero and two star recruits, and and OC that’s never been...and OC,
I’d say good luck, you’ll need it!
Remember a few weeks Grimes proclaimed he will have "the best offensive
coaches BYU ever had" Based on their collective experience this could be
the best ever. Time and talent will tell how well the players and coaches work
together. Its sure a lot more experience than the last offensive coaching staff
had. Hopefully injuries don't hurt the team and take away wins like it did
Interesting that the author suggests the recruiting pool is smaller than many
schools. With nearly 16 million members one would think that is not too bad a
recruiting pool, plus non members seems to like to come too and they have often
been stars. It is true the average ACT score is 29.5 so I don't know what
ACT an athlete would need. Yes BYU would like to beat Utah, but the
world won't end if they don't/.
This is de ja vu...didn’t we just hear this a couple of years ago about
Detmer team? Different person, same message. I’m not sure these guys
qualify as the most experienced or qualified. Probably true ....if you add
“that were available and willing to come”. BYU football is broken
from poor coaching/recruits/and performance. I truly do hope they can turn this
mess around....If they can, then I will gladly give them their earned respect.
Right now...just names. Go Cougars.
"Not a chance....Regardless of final margin, byu’ll never ever beat us
again, ever." Actually BYU wins consistently in multiple
catagories and always will, you guys have final margin and a long stretch like
that, which considering the amount of close games in the series that's a
remarkable outcome for the Utes. Still Utes fans can't seem to
figure it what it means to win, so you get what we've got here on every
comment section. Honestly it's sad.
“Now win us a game against that other team.”Not a
chance....Regardless of final margin, byu’ll never ever beat us again,
ever....LolHeck, they’ve only ever held the lead against us
during our 7 games & counting winning streak for merely 3+ min....LolGo Utes!
While speaking of Roderick, Grimes says the following:"He
hasn’t been to as many places as I’ve been, but he’s familiar
with a lot of offenses at that other place."The U has been
notorious for doing this to BYU over the last 15 years. Finally one of our
coaches has done it in return. I sure like Grimes a lot more now!!! Now win us a game against that other team.
Remember a few weeks Grimes proclaimed he will have "the best offensive
coaches BYU ever had? I dont think so.