President meets with 4 top LDS Church officials, then tours bishops' storehouse
Its highly appropriate that Trump visited Welfare Square. Better get familiar
with it. He is pushing a Tax plan benefiting corporations and extremely
wealthy families like his own, at the expense of the budget and middle class and
poor Americans, (who only get temporary cuts that average $100 or so). That
will have a lot more Utahns heading to Welfare Square. Just wait
to see Trump and Hatch recommend that Social Security and Medicare hit the
chopping block to cut the balooning deficit they make worse with the tax
giveaway to the 1%.
Hey Gary ODonald Trump is not "Putin Puppet" as you
claim.Fir heaven's sake, please calm down and stop making all
of these baseless allegations. Please.And, thanks in advance.Your friend, Herb.😁
President Trump has written about a dozen books, which can be found online, if
people want to know what he writes (i.e. how he thinks). Try Art of the Deal to
The LDS community should be very proud of the respect, attention, and
compliments the leader of the free world has given them.He certainly
appeared to be very impressed with the Church members he met.It is very
interesting that he was so interested in the church's welfare program.
It's interesting how so many are negative about Pres. Trump yet...many,
many more are positive about our new President and they support him. That is
what we, as Americans should be doing for President Donald Trump. No, he is not
perfect and we are not perfect either. He is a good man who supports and
respects our military and loves our United States of America. No one is perfect
and that should not be expected. If those who are negative would keep it to
themselves instead of spewing it out to others, our lives would be so much more
Orrin Hatch is planning to run for reelection. 78 % of Utahns want him to
retire.==== Run Orrin, Run!
one vote - Salt Lake City, UT"The Donald views Senator Hatch as
his impeachment firewall."The Senate didn't confirm the
impeachment of Bill Clinton. If the Senate loses Roy Moore, no big loss,
especially for the country. The Utah Senators will cave in to the GOP
philosophy that special interests are more important than US citizens and
The Putin Puppet in White House, the first illegitimate president in the history
of the United States, who lies, cheats, steals, defrauds, and commits treason as
a matter of course . . . Heaps praise on both Hatch and Romney?What
does that REALLY say about Hatch and Romney?Think about it.
Now that Christmas is "back," I would like to know from those of you who
are feeling more comfortable, what you will be doing this Christmas season that
you were prevented from doing every single Christmas of your life. In that vein
may I say, "Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays, Happy Kwanzaa,
and best wishes and peace to every single person on this planet."
The Donald views Senator Hatch as his impeachment firewall.
President Trump has done many things right including Bears Ears and Escalante.
He has raised a good family and got Gorsuch on the Supreme Court. Regulations
were burdensome and have been slowed. Isis is losing and respect for the
military and police improving. I don’t approve of all his polices or
statements but so far he’s done well. LDS church handled things as
BYUAlum... be real careful with those numbers amigo. For example bragging
about unemployment numbers - really? When Obama took office the unemployment
rates was 9.2 percent and losing 2 million jobs that quarter. When he left
office it was at 4.7 million and as of that December had added 11.4 million
jobs. Trump could have played golf more than the newly 100 times he has
played golf this years and still had the economy grow.I will not
dismiss efforts Trump has made. But there is a big difference between taking
over a situation where hundreds of thousands of jobs were being lost a month to
taking over when the economy was already creating about 200,000 jobs a month.
Sometimes credit is deserved for just keeping things moving in the right
direction. We have cheap energy right now that benefits all far
more than a tax break does. Let's not forget that under Bush oil rose to
over $200 a barrel, and when Obama left it was in the mid 40s. That huge
economic driver. Not going to give Obama credit for all that.... but it is the
reality. Under Obama stock went from 7,000 to 20,000..... so lets just slow
the rhetoric down a bit.Nation over Party amigo.
Bitterness and hatred is not a trait of Godliness, but that of evil."I'd like to punch him in the face..." Donald Trump, February
2016""We had some people, some rough guys like we have right in
here. And they started punching back. It was a beautiful thing" Donald
Trump, March 2016There is, of course, a lot more. You can try to
twist it around, but these aren't my words. And there is no Godliness in
GaryO - Virginia Beach, VAWhen you say that Obama didn't ever
tour Welfare Square because he had "very high standards" is this some
reference to the "Basket of deplorables" Hillary Clinton lamented about?
Its too bad that President Monson was not able to visit with the current
POTUS.President Monson did, however, meet with President Obama in
Washington, DC and presented him with President Obamas family history. (Which is
customary according to KSL and Deseret News) Hopefully somebody can do the
customary thing and provide President Trump with his families history too.
I guess what troubles me is not necessarily that Trump came to Utah and visited
Church facilities. It's more that the Church leaders, who look downright
giddy, more so than on other Presidential visits as I recall, are allowing
themselves to be used for political purposes. Orrin Hatch has masterfully
leveraged the Church to advance his political career, perhaps with the
approbation of Church leaders. And now Hatch and Trump are doing so blatantly
and obviously. I compare this with the visit of Trump to the Pope, which was
much more restrained. The end result of the enthusiasm I see here is further
leveraging of the Church to advance a certain political perspective. If the the
aim is to reach out more to Republicans, then the Church should say so. But if
the outreach of the Church is for all, then the way this visit was managed did
not help. It clearly reinforced the widely held perception that this is a
Republican church, not one for all.
Merry Christmas!We may not all agree on everything political, but
hopefully we can agree that we love America!President Trump does
love America. It's the single reason he ran for president, and while you
may not like him for various reasons, he has ALWAYS loved America! I
saw a documentary about him many years ago when I was a teen entering college
and then sought out more information on him. I thought then he would be a good
president one day..and am very happy he is ours today! I believe his timing to
make this run, and really press forward for the win has been crucial for our
country. Many of the reasons have been very well stated in remarks in these
comments!I am thankful that church leaders and others have been
respectful to him on his visit here. I didn't expect that he would be
treated well by the residents of Salt Lake, as it is very liberal, and you lived
up to my expectations. It was embarrassing.No matter who our
president has been, as I have had the opportunity to meet or greet them, no
matter their political affiliation, I have always been respectful. They are my
president. It's such bad manners and such a lack of respect for the office
to do anything less.
"America First!" is an agenda. Being a global institution, the LDS
Church has a different agenda.Despite the differences, the Church
still needs to be a cordial host. Some relationships have been warmer, but Trump
isn't the first president to be received who had questionable morals. JFK
and Bill Clinton come to mind.As for leadership ability...there was
Jimmy Carter. Carter's Bible Belt upbringing made the relationship icy.All in all, this was a nice visit all around. The relationship with the
Whits House is about the same as before. The Never-Trump folks are disappointed
that he was received. The Pro-Trump camp felt the Church could have done
Trump likes winning and Senator Hatch will do anything to do the same. The
President called Lieutenant General Flynn a good man months after Flynn had lied
to the Vice-President also. What is the definition of “is and
good”?Federal Land whether a National Monument is Federal
Land. Use is what this Proclamation was. It was a “good” Photo Op
for both men for political gains and means. It gave Senator Hatch
9-hours on the Air Force One. They parked in the limited access National Guard
side of the Salt Lake City Airport preclude some City and County dignitaries
that are Democrats.The State Capitol was filled with limited access
people that cheered and gave praises all at the same moments. It was a well
orchestrated visit. I have lived in managed situations as this so the dictators
didn’t have the knowledge of what the regular people in the country
thought about the limited access leader. Utahns are more than the
limited access people. The GOP US Senators and US House of Representatives from
Utah that are supposed to represent all of Utah get personal visits from the
President already. Limited access and Hollywood Access are not the
same. Utahns need to vote next.
Having these 4 leaders of the LDS church meet the President and provide a tour
was the minimum respectful contingent the church would/should provide as a good
host acting on good faith. For those questioning why the church did this or say,
this group of 4 is a small part of a much larger larger group. These 4 have 17
peers in their leadership circles that did not attend the meetings. If 17 had
come that would have made/been a clear statement. Sending the respective minimum
is very different. In my mind.
I’m grateful the leaders of the church were able to meet him face to face
and have private conversations with the man. The gift/tool of discernment works
best when face to face. It was important for church leadership to get to know
the man and see what’s really in him. It was very wise to take the
opportunity to do this. Hopefully they learned a lot about him and how that
relates to our collective future.
USAlover..... really? Trump visited Welfare Square, Obama toured Hill
Airforce Base - to talk to those serving and make sure they were getting what
they needed - per a DN article dated April 3rd 2015. Obama spent 15 hours in
Utah..... how many did Trump? This little tit-for-tate is absurd. It is good when any President meets with Church leadership, meets local
representatives, and gains a little more understanding of the state - regardless
if they are an R or a D. To try to keep score based on what they visited is
mostly bizarre. Welfare Square square garners more points then visiting our
people serving in the military how? Why would someone go down that path?Is partisanship really all that encompassing?
"Bitterness and hatred is not a trait of Godliness, but that of evil.This is how I know Trump is good and the liberals wrong."This is probably one of the most confused statements I've read in a long
time. Tump is synonymous with bitterness. He is the man that told his
followers that its ok to beat protesters, that he would pay their legal bills.
( as an aside Trump did not help the dude in NC - like he promised ).Anyway... amazing that some don't see how their statements contradict
their very own post of just a year ago towards another President.And
on that topic, I am shocked Hatch is now walking back his condemnation on Moore,
saying that Moore dating teenagers while he was in his 30s "was a long time
ago" and shouldn't make a difference. I've been a life long
supporter of Hatch, and he has surely sold himself out. Where he was a strong
defender of "right" in the past, he seems solely interested in
"party above all". If he has lost his backbone, it is time for him to
retire.MItt has my vote going forward regardless of what Hatch
Hey Gary OYou must mean that only people with LOW standards tour
Welfare Square?Would be nice to see a list of those folks, say for
just the most recent five years. Hmmmm.😁
@LiaPray tell. To which Christmas are we referring?😁
"The world paints him as a cold-hearted dictator," Van Meter said,
"but he was pretty soft-spoken. It seemed like he wants to do right. I
respect him."Sorry, but I cannot get past his Access Hollywood
tape. I have four daughters and always consider them when Trump speaks. The
women he talks about are all daughters too and deserve respect, which as we have
seen in the past few months, they often do not receive.
@patriot"Happy to finally have a president who will say
"Merry Christmas" again!!"Name one president who
wouldn't say Merry Christmas. Just one.
@BYUalum,Thank you for your comment. I couldn't have said it
better.Trump has been prepared to lead in this time of turmoil.
@truth2power "Its likely that in the years ahead, historians will remark
similarly at the inaction and irresponsibility of our Presidents colleagues in
the Senate and House of representatives. Senator Hatch and others need to find
the moral compass that seems to have been set aside. The time to act is now --
no time for appeasement and complacency."Truly it may be said
that the American fascist state was born in the Utah State Capitol
We appreciate all those Church leaders who were so gracious in welcoming the
President of the United States, Donald J. Trump! I love all that
President Trump has done for our country, first and foremost for his boldness
and fearlessness, for his steadfast commitment to keeping his promises to the
American people. 3.3% growth (Obama never got above 1.6%), 2 million new jobs
his first year, tighter security at the border, needless regulations stifling
companies rescinded, lower unemployment, stock market at 24,000 all time high,
etc. etc. We also love the grace and dignity of his beautiful wife, Manania. We
support you, President Trump, and are honored that you came to our great state.
Thanks to all who greeted him and gave him the respect he deserves as President
of the United States!God bless America, and God bless President
Winston churchill's words reflecting his predecessor underestimating the
character of Adolf Hitler (prior to the outbreak of the war): "....we have
passed an awful milestone in our history, when the whole equilibrium of Europe
has been deranged, and that the terrible words have for the time being been
pronounced against the Western democracies: "Thou art weighed in the balance
and found wanting". Its likely that in the years ahead, historians
will remark similarly at the inaction and irresponsibility of our Presidents
colleagues in the Senate and House of representatives.Senator Hatch and
others need to find the moral compass that seems to have been set aside.The time to act is now -- no time for appeasement and complacency.
Keep loving him. Better get it all in soon. Mueller will have trump removed
@ USA lover 3:18 PM wrote:"That fact Trump toured Welfare Square
is an honor. Obama didn't....ever."@ taatmk 3:55 PM
wrote:"Whatever you think of Mr Trump, he DID visit Utah and
express concern for people of this state. That is something neither Mr Clinton
nor Mr Obama cared to do."President Obama visited Salt Lake City
on April 2, 2015. From fox13news.com : "According to LDS Church spokesman
Eric Hawkins, President Obama met with “President Henry B. Eyring,
President Dieter F. Uchtdorf, Elder L. Tom Perry and Elder D. Todd
Christofferson.”Just curious, why would anyone purposely
misstate something that takes five seconds to look up?
Bitterness and hatred is not a trait of Godliness, but that of evil.This is how I know Trump is good and the liberals wrong.
Franc said, " . . . he said that the national parks should be reduced for
the people of Utah to decide their use . . ."This is wrong. The
lands remain in federal hands and federal control. Trump only reduced the size
of the monuments which causes public lands to revert to their previous control.
He declined to actually turn federal land over to Utah. And rightfully so. When
Utah became a state, it gave control of those lands to the U.S. government and
"forever" gave up any claim to those lands.
I really appreciate the Church welcome provided Mr. Trump. It was nice to see
such dignity shown despite all the other politics going on.Of course
Trump still remains the worst President in a century and most Utahns don’t
approve of him. But at least Mormons and Utahns don’t have to get petty
and vindictive like he does any time someone dares question his crowd size or
his Russian connections or his tax returns...
I'm so grateful for the videos on YouTube showing the numerous times
President Obama publicly said "Merry Christmas." It's just such a
shame President Trump is creating this decisive narrative about bringing
Christmas "back." Reality check: Christmas never left.
I find it strangely repellent to see President Trump in the same photograph with
Presidents Eyring and Nelson. However, the Savior did break bread with both
Pharisees and publicans, so I can't say it's inappropriate that
Presidents Eyring and Nelson were gracious and welcoming toward President Trump.
@ patriot Seriously with the 'Merry Christmas' myth? A simple
search of anything not Fox will yield dozens and dozens of videos of the Obamas
wishing us Merry Christmas. But maybe we're not sure the videos are real?
I was never going to vote for Hatch, but Mr. Trump has all but assured my vote
for Romney. @Gildas Certainly those against Trump can be unpleasant,
myself included. But don't kid yourself that Trumpers are all sweet and
kind. Just read some of the commenters here, for example.
@patriotAre you seriously offended when someone says happy holidays?
Also, Christmas has all but lost its meaning with people really only caring
about gifts or what is or isn't on a coffee cup.
Congratulations to President Trump for pushing a shopping cart for the first
time in his life. He's truly the common person's president.
Please run again Senator Hatch, please!
I remember what Romney said about him. Mitt gets more insightful all the time.
I'm glad we got a balanced report of this visit. Many members of the
Church like President Trump, and I believe many others will be won over in time,
but detractors are always louder and much more unpleasant than those who
support our presidential visitor. At Church, I have found, people
do usually try not to get involved in argumentative contests and emotional
confrontations. I did hear happy cheers of welcome, at a distance, when the
Donald emerged with his security etc from the presidential plane.
That fact Trump toured Welfare Square is an honor.Obama
didn't....ever.That's OK, though. They can't make it
everywhere, and Obama, or President Obama in this case, did far more to bring
honour to the presidency than the current occupant.
Happy to see the President meeting with our leaders. Happy to finally have a
president who will say "Merry Christmas" again!!
Whatever you think of Mr Trump, he DID visit Utah and express concern for people
of this state. That is something neither Mr Clinton nor Mr Obama cared to do.
Regardless of whatever stand you take on the national monument issue, the
latter two did NOT sure concern for Utahns, but making their announcements
outside of the state.
Hey USA Lover -RE: "That fact Trump toured Welfare Square is an
honor.Obama didn't....ever."Well . . . Obama
had very high standards.
Glad he visited Utah and Welfare Square ... but as he said that the national
parks should be reduced for the people of Utah to decide their use, so is it
true that the people of Utah can and should decide about Orrin Hatch. He needs
to go. Ugh.
Trump is pushing Hatch because Hatch is a party hack. Two peas in a pod, and
neither belong in government leadership.
That fact Trump toured Welfare Square is an honor.Obama