Trump pushing Hatch to run again, calls Romney 'good man' at Welfare Square

President meets with 4 top LDS Church officials, then tours bishops' storehouse

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  • BiggerPicture Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 7, 2017 1:55 p.m.

    Its highly appropriate that Trump visited Welfare Square. Better get familiar with it. He is pushing a Tax plan benefiting corporations and extremely wealthy families like his own, at the expense of the budget and middle class and poor Americans, (who only get temporary cuts that average $100 or so). That will have a lot more Utahns heading to Welfare Square.

    Just wait to see Trump and Hatch recommend that Social Security and Medicare hit the chopping block to cut the balooning deficit they make worse with the tax giveaway to the 1%.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Dec. 6, 2017 3:18 p.m.

    Hey Gary O

    Donald Trump is not "Putin Puppet" as you claim.

    Fir heaven's sake, please calm down and stop making all of these baseless allegations. Please.

    And, thanks in advance.

    Your friend, Herb.


  • Edmunds Tucker St George, UT
    Dec. 6, 2017 9:19 a.m.

    President Trump has written about a dozen books, which can be found online, if people want to know what he writes (i.e. how he thinks). Try Art of the Deal to start.

  • MacD slc, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 8:33 p.m.

    The LDS community should be very proud of the respect, attention, and compliments the leader of the free world has given them.
    He certainly appeared to be very impressed with the Church members he met.
    It is very interesting that he was so interested in the church's welfare program.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 7:06 p.m.

    It's interesting how so many are negative about Pres. Trump yet...many, many more are positive about our new President and they support him. That is what we, as Americans should be doing for President Donald Trump. No, he is not perfect and we are not perfect either. He is a good man who supports and respects our military and loves our United States of America. No one is perfect and that should not be expected. If those who are negative would keep it to themselves instead of spewing it out to others, our lives would be so much more pleasant.

  • airnaut Everett, WA
    Dec. 5, 2017 3:43 p.m.

    Orrin Hatch is planning to run for reelection. 78 % of Utahns want him to retire.


    Run Orrin, Run!

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 3:38 p.m.

    one vote - Salt Lake City, UT

    "The Donald views Senator Hatch as his impeachment firewall."

    The Senate didn't confirm the impeachment of Bill Clinton. If the Senate loses Roy Moore, no big loss, especially for the country. The Utah Senators will cave in to the GOP philosophy that special interests are more important than US citizens and Founding Fathers.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Dec. 5, 2017 2:39 p.m.

    The Putin Puppet in White House, the first illegitimate president in the history of the United States, who lies, cheats, steals, defrauds, and commits treason as a matter of course . . . Heaps praise on both Hatch and Romney?

    What does that REALLY say about Hatch and Romney?

    Think about it.

  • kazie Heber City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 2:09 p.m.

    Now that Christmas is "back," I would like to know from those of you who are feeling more comfortable, what you will be doing this Christmas season that you were prevented from doing every single Christmas of your life. In that vein may I say, "Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, Happy Holidays, Happy Kwanzaa, and best wishes and peace to every single person on this planet."

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 1:22 p.m.

    The Donald views Senator Hatch as his impeachment firewall.

  • New to Utah Provo, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 11:06 a.m.

    President Trump has done many things right including Bears Ears and Escalante. He has raised a good family and got Gorsuch on the Supreme Court. Regulations were burdensome and have been slowed. Isis is losing and respect for the military and police improving. I don’t approve of all his polices or statements but so far he’s done well. LDS church handled things as expected.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 5, 2017 9:44 a.m.

    BYUAlum... be real careful with those numbers amigo. For example bragging about unemployment numbers - really? When Obama took office the unemployment rates was 9.2 percent and losing 2 million jobs that quarter. When he left office it was at 4.7 million and as of that December had added 11.4 million jobs. Trump could have played golf more than the newly 100 times he has played golf this years and still had the economy grow.

    I will not dismiss efforts Trump has made. But there is a big difference between taking over a situation where hundreds of thousands of jobs were being lost a month to taking over when the economy was already creating about 200,000 jobs a month. Sometimes credit is deserved for just keeping things moving in the right direction.

    We have cheap energy right now that benefits all far more than a tax break does. Let's not forget that under Bush oil rose to over $200 a barrel, and when Obama left it was in the mid 40s. That huge economic driver. Not going to give Obama credit for all that.... but it is the reality. Under Obama stock went from 7,000 to 20,000..... so lets just slow the rhetoric down a bit.

    Nation over Party amigo.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 9:25 a.m.

    Bitterness and hatred is not a trait of Godliness, but that of evil.

    "I'd like to punch him in the face..." Donald Trump, February 2016
    ""We had some people, some rough guys like we have right in here. And they started punching back. It was a beautiful thing" Donald Trump, March 2016

    There is, of course, a lot more. You can try to twist it around, but these aren't my words. And there is no Godliness in them.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 9:05 a.m.

    GaryO - Virginia Beach, VA

    When you say that Obama didn't ever tour Welfare Square because he had "very high standards" is this some reference to the "Basket of deplorables" Hillary Clinton lamented about?

  • Mr. Investigator South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 9:02 a.m.

    Its too bad that President Monson was not able to visit with the current POTUS.
    President Monson did, however, meet with President Obama in Washington, DC and presented him with President Obamas family history. (Which is customary according to KSL and Deseret News)
    Hopefully somebody can do the customary thing and provide President Trump with his families history too.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 8:51 a.m.

    I guess what troubles me is not necessarily that Trump came to Utah and visited Church facilities. It's more that the Church leaders, who look downright giddy, more so than on other Presidential visits as I recall, are allowing themselves to be used for political purposes. Orrin Hatch has masterfully leveraged the Church to advance his political career, perhaps with the approbation of Church leaders. And now Hatch and Trump are doing so blatantly and obviously. I compare this with the visit of Trump to the Pope, which was much more restrained. The end result of the enthusiasm I see here is further leveraging of the Church to advance a certain political perspective. If the the aim is to reach out more to Republicans, then the Church should say so. But if the outreach of the Church is for all, then the way this visit was managed did not help. It clearly reinforced the widely held perception that this is a Republican church, not one for all.

  • Southernmiss kaysville, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 8:43 a.m.

    Merry Christmas!

    We may not all agree on everything political, but hopefully we can agree that we love America!

    President Trump does love America. It's the single reason he ran for president, and while you may not like him for various reasons, he has ALWAYS loved America!

    I saw a documentary about him many years ago when I was a teen entering college and then sought out more information on him. I thought then he would be a good president one day..and am very happy he is ours today! I believe his timing to make this run, and really press forward for the win has been crucial for our country. Many of the reasons have been very well stated in remarks in these comments!

    I am thankful that church leaders and others have been respectful to him on his visit here. I didn't expect that he would be treated well by the residents of Salt Lake, as it is very liberal, and you lived up to my expectations. It was embarrassing.

    No matter who our president has been, as I have had the opportunity to meet or greet them, no matter their political affiliation, I have always been respectful. They are my president. It's such bad manners and such a lack of respect for the office to do anything less.

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 8:26 a.m.

    "America First!" is an agenda. Being a global institution, the LDS Church has a different agenda.

    Despite the differences, the Church still needs to be a cordial host. Some relationships have been warmer, but Trump isn't the first president to be received who had questionable morals. JFK and Bill Clinton come to mind.

    As for leadership ability...there was Jimmy Carter. Carter's Bible Belt upbringing made the relationship icy.

    All in all, this was a nice visit all around. The relationship with the Whits House is about the same as before. The Never-Trump folks are disappointed that he was received. The Pro-Trump camp felt the Church could have done more.

    Slow thaw.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 7:47 a.m.

    Trump likes winning and Senator Hatch will do anything to do the same. The President called Lieutenant General Flynn a good man months after Flynn had lied to the Vice-President also. What is the definition of “is and good”?

    Federal Land whether a National Monument is Federal Land. Use is what this Proclamation was. It was a “good” Photo Op for both men for political gains and means.

    It gave Senator Hatch 9-hours on the Air Force One. They parked in the limited access National Guard side of the Salt Lake City Airport preclude some City and County dignitaries that are Democrats.

    The State Capitol was filled with limited access people that cheered and gave praises all at the same moments. It was a well orchestrated visit. I have lived in managed situations as this so the dictators didn’t have the knowledge of what the regular people in the country thought about the limited access leader.

    Utahns are more than the limited access people. The GOP US Senators and US House of Representatives from Utah that are supposed to represent all of Utah get personal visits from the President already.

    Limited access and Hollywood Access are not the same.

    Utahns need to vote next.

  • B-Real2 Saratoga Springs, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 7:22 a.m.

    Having these 4 leaders of the LDS church meet the President and provide a tour was the minimum respectful contingent the church would/should provide as a good host acting on good faith. For those questioning why the church did this or say, this group of 4 is a small part of a much larger larger group. These 4 have 17 peers in their leadership circles that did not attend the meetings. If 17 had come that would have made/been a clear statement. Sending the respective minimum is very different. In my mind.

  • B-Real2 Saratoga Springs, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 7:16 a.m.

    I’m grateful the leaders of the church were able to meet him face to face and have private conversations with the man. The gift/tool of discernment works best when face to face. It was important for church leadership to get to know the man and see what’s really in him. It was very wise to take the opportunity to do this. Hopefully they learned a lot about him and how that relates to our collective future.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 5, 2017 6:21 a.m.

    USAlover..... really? Trump visited Welfare Square, Obama toured Hill Airforce Base - to talk to those serving and make sure they were getting what they needed - per a DN article dated April 3rd 2015. Obama spent 15 hours in Utah..... how many did Trump? This little tit-for-tate is absurd.

    It is good when any President meets with Church leadership, meets local representatives, and gains a little more understanding of the state - regardless if they are an R or a D. To try to keep score based on what they visited is mostly bizarre. Welfare Square square garners more points then visiting our people serving in the military how? Why would someone go down that path?

    Is partisanship really all that encompassing?

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    Dec. 5, 2017 6:12 a.m.

    "Bitterness and hatred is not a trait of Godliness, but that of evil.

    This is how I know Trump is good and the liberals wrong."

    This is probably one of the most confused statements I've read in a long time. Tump is synonymous with bitterness. He is the man that told his followers that its ok to beat protesters, that he would pay their legal bills. ( as an aside Trump did not help the dude in NC - like he promised ).

    Anyway... amazing that some don't see how their statements contradict their very own post of just a year ago towards another President.

    And on that topic, I am shocked Hatch is now walking back his condemnation on Moore, saying that Moore dating teenagers while he was in his 30s "was a long time ago" and shouldn't make a difference. I've been a life long supporter of Hatch, and he has surely sold himself out. Where he was a strong defender of "right" in the past, he seems solely interested in "party above all". If he has lost his backbone, it is time for him to retire.

    MItt has my vote going forward regardless of what Hatch personally decides.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Dec. 5, 2017 5:59 a.m.

    Hey Gary O

    You must mean that only people with LOW standards tour Welfare Square?

    Would be nice to see a list of those folks, say for just the most recent five years. Hmmmm.


  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Dec. 5, 2017 5:56 a.m.


    Pray tell. To which Christmas are we referring?


  • Mark from Montana Davis County, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 5:36 a.m.

    "The world paints him as a cold-hearted dictator," Van Meter said, "but he was pretty soft-spoken. It seemed like he wants to do right. I respect him."

    Sorry, but I cannot get past his Access Hollywood tape. I have four daughters and always consider them when Trump speaks. The women he talks about are all daughters too and deserve respect, which as we have seen in the past few months, they often do not receive.

  • RJohnson Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 5, 2017 4:23 a.m.


    "Happy to finally have a president who will say "Merry Christmas" again!!"

    Name one president who wouldn't say Merry Christmas. Just one.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Dec. 5, 2017 12:27 a.m.


    Thank you for your comment. I couldn't have said it better.

    Trump has been prepared to lead in this time of turmoil.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 11:24 p.m.

    @truth2power "Its likely that in the years ahead, historians will remark similarly at the inaction and irresponsibility of our Presidents colleagues in the Senate and House of representatives. Senator Hatch and others need to find the moral compass that seems to have been set aside. The time to act is now -- no time for appeasement and complacency."

    Truly it may be said that the American fascist state was born in the Utah State Capitol

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 10:49 p.m.

    We appreciate all those Church leaders who were so gracious in welcoming the President of the United States, Donald J. Trump!

    I love all that President Trump has done for our country, first and foremost for his boldness and fearlessness, for his steadfast commitment to keeping his promises to the American people. 3.3% growth (Obama never got above 1.6%), 2 million new jobs his first year, tighter security at the border, needless regulations stifling companies rescinded, lower unemployment, stock market at 24,000 all time high, etc. etc. We also love the grace and dignity of his beautiful wife, Manania. We support you, President Trump, and are honored that you came to our great state. Thanks to all who greeted him and gave him the respect he deserves as President of the United States!

    God bless America, and God bless President Trump!

  • truth2power Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 10:00 p.m.

    Winston churchill's words reflecting his predecessor underestimating the character of Adolf Hitler (prior to the outbreak of the war): "....we have passed an awful milestone in our history, when the whole equilibrium of Europe has been deranged, and that the terrible words have for the time being been pronounced against the Western democracies: "Thou art weighed in the balance and found wanting".
    Its likely that in the years ahead, historians will remark similarly at the inaction and irresponsibility of our Presidents colleagues in the Senate and House of representatives.
    Senator Hatch and others need to find the moral compass that seems to have been set aside.
    The time to act is now -- no time for appeasement and complacency.

  • Lia Sandy, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 8:38 p.m.

    Keep loving him. Better get it all in soon. Mueller will have trump removed before Christmas.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 7:12 p.m.

    @ USA lover 3:18 PM wrote:

    "That fact Trump toured Welfare Square is an honor. Obama didn't....ever."

    @ taatmk 3:55 PM wrote:

    "Whatever you think of Mr Trump, he DID visit Utah and express concern for people of this state. That is something neither Mr Clinton nor Mr Obama cared to do."

    President Obama visited Salt Lake City on April 2, 2015. From : "According to LDS Church spokesman Eric Hawkins,  President Obama met with “President Henry B. Eyring, President Dieter F. Uchtdorf, Elder L. Tom Perry and Elder D. Todd Christofferson.”

    Just curious, why would anyone purposely misstate something that takes five seconds to look up?

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Dec. 4, 2017 7:11 p.m.

    Bitterness and hatred is not a trait of Godliness, but that of evil.

    This is how I know Trump is good and the liberals wrong.

  • bekkieann North Salt Lake, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 6:20 p.m.

    Franc said, " . . . he said that the national parks should be reduced for the people of Utah to decide their use . . ."

    This is wrong. The lands remain in federal hands and federal control. Trump only reduced the size of the monuments which causes public lands to revert to their previous control. He declined to actually turn federal land over to Utah. And rightfully so. When Utah became a state, it gave control of those lands to the U.S. government and "forever" gave up any claim to those lands.

  • The Meliorist Grande Cache, 00
    Dec. 4, 2017 6:07 p.m.

    I really appreciate the Church welcome provided Mr. Trump. It was nice to see such dignity shown despite all the other politics going on.

    Of course Trump still remains the worst President in a century and most Utahns don’t approve of him. But at least Mormons and Utahns don’t have to get petty and vindictive like he does any time someone dares question his crowd size or his Russian connections or his tax returns...

  • Cheesecake Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 5:50 p.m.

    I'm so grateful for the videos on YouTube showing the numerous times President Obama publicly said "Merry Christmas." It's just such a shame President Trump is creating this decisive narrative about bringing Christmas "back." Reality check: Christmas never left.

  • Clinton King (Ephraim) Ephraim, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 5:34 p.m.

    I find it strangely repellent to see President Trump in the same photograph with Presidents Eyring and Nelson. However, the Savior did break bread with both Pharisees and publicans, so I can't say it's inappropriate that Presidents Eyring and Nelson were gracious and welcoming toward President Trump.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 5:21 p.m.

    @ patriot
    Seriously with the 'Merry Christmas' myth? A simple search of anything not Fox will yield dozens and dozens of videos of the Obamas wishing us Merry Christmas. But maybe we're not sure the videos are real?

  • JBs Logan, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 5:05 p.m.

    I was never going to vote for Hatch, but Mr. Trump has all but assured my vote for Romney.

    @Gildas Certainly those against Trump can be unpleasant, myself included. But don't kid yourself that Trumpers are all sweet and kind. Just read some of the commenters here, for example.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 4:58 p.m.


    Are you seriously offended when someone says happy holidays? Also, Christmas has all but lost its meaning with people really only caring about gifts or what is or isn't on a coffee cup.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Dec. 4, 2017 4:47 p.m.

    Congratulations to President Trump for pushing a shopping cart for the first time in his life. He's truly the common person's president.

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 4:42 p.m.

    Please run again Senator Hatch, please!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 4:04 p.m.

    I remember what Romney said about him. Mitt gets more insightful all the time.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 4:03 p.m.

    I'm glad we got a balanced report of this visit. Many members of the Church like President Trump, and I believe many others will be won over in time, but detractors are always louder and much more unpleasant than those who support our presidential visitor.

    At Church, I have found, people do usually try not to get involved in argumentative contests and emotional confrontations. I did hear happy cheers of welcome, at a distance, when the Donald emerged with his security etc from the presidential plane.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 4:01 p.m.

    That fact Trump toured Welfare Square is an honor.

    Obama didn't....ever.

    That's OK, though. They can't make it everywhere, and Obama, or President Obama in this case, did far more to bring honour to the presidency than the current occupant.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 3:57 p.m.

    Happy to see the President meeting with our leaders. Happy to finally have a president who will say "Merry Christmas" again!!

  • taatmk Brigham City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 3:55 p.m.

    Whatever you think of Mr Trump, he DID visit Utah and express concern for people of this state. That is something neither Mr Clinton nor Mr Obama cared to do.
    Regardless of whatever stand you take on the national monument issue, the latter two did NOT sure concern for Utahns, but making their announcements outside of the state.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    Dec. 4, 2017 3:36 p.m.

    Hey USA Lover -

    RE: "That fact Trump toured Welfare Square is an honor.

    Obama didn't....ever."

    Well . . . Obama had very high standards.

  • franc Kirkland, WA
    Dec. 4, 2017 3:36 p.m.

    Glad he visited Utah and Welfare Square ... but as he said that the national parks should be reduced for the people of Utah to decide their use, so is it true that the people of Utah can and should decide about Orrin Hatch. He needs to go. Ugh.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 3:30 p.m.

    Trump is pushing Hatch because Hatch is a party hack. Two peas in a pod, and neither belong in government leadership.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 4, 2017 3:18 p.m.

    That fact Trump toured Welfare Square is an honor.

    Obama didn't....ever.