For the record, Trump actually said, "from Norway and Asia". People
love to leave that last part offCompare Botswana and Zimbabwe. The
two nations share the same racial demographic, language and even culture.
Botswana is a free market capitalist nation while Zimbabwe is much more
centrally planned. The economies couldn't be any different. Botswana has
a great economy with far more educated, skilled and healthy people, Zimbabwe is
awful. For decades upon decades the United States has been expected
to take in mostly unskilled people from poor nations. Why is that? I would love to have more people from skilled and successful nations like
Botswana, Norway, or India for a change. That's not racist, that's
simply wanting to give immigrants a better chance here as well as help our own
economy. There is nothing wrong with that. Anyone who says otherwise is simply
To deny what was said after bragging to his far right billionaire friends and
then attacking the media for reporting the truth is an old trick of the
U.S.S.R., not American values.
It doesn't seem to bother all these so called Christians that he may not
have said it? There is no evidence whatsoever that he said it and he denies
saying it. Accused and condemned without proof just like the suddenly credulous
media has done and keeps doing to its own discredit. This is a lot of noise
And after the big media blitz, we learn Durbin LIED. You can fool
some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time, and now all
the people all the time. Knee jerk news stories from the left are
a bust most the time.
@Mad Hatter - Provo, UTJan. 14, 2018 6:32 a.m.I said in my 1st
post in the thread that Mr. President should never use that kind of language,
even behind closed door. And I am surprised that you mimicked that word and used
it on American citiesI am proud to live in Sugarland, it is one of
most well-developed areas in TX. Unlike the places on TPS list, It does not have
high crime rate, and it has great public school system, (the literacy rate of
Haiti is 60% by comparison). I am sorry that State Dept put a warning message on
their website, urging Americans to reconsider travelling to Haiti, due to
crime and political unrest. But that is not President Trump’s fault. Western developed countries have sent billions of $ to help those
countries for decades, and they are still the poorest countries in the world,
there are reasons for their conditions and it’s not because of President
Trump. I know this is a great place in TX, so I don’t feel
offended by your mimic of that language, but if I do, I will work together with
my community to make it a better place, not leave my hometown behind to live in
a richer country.
@ What in Tucket"It's weird that people in the room
don't remember Trump using that word when Trump himself was calling friends
to brag about it afterwards. I spoke to one of those friends. The President
thought it would play well with the base." — Erick EricksonI'm also struck by how many of his base immediately responded as if it
were true. Whether they came out in support or with excuses, many just assumed
it happened. And it is consistent with a man who at every turn has shown us his
willingness to lead with contempt and vulgarity. As Mr. Erickson suggested,
perhaps he knows what plays well with his base.
@CMO Beaver wrote,"He should have said...We have
about have half the planet run by corrupt foolish scary incompetent governments
ie dictators of all make and model who destroy the lives of their
citizens.."Yes, and one of the countries in that half of the
planet is the United States.
It is all a hoax and fake news again. Trump did not say these countries were
s---holes. Sen Perdue and Sen Tom Cotton were there and said he did not say
that. Sen Graham would not say what he said. He did say they were poorly run
countries which is true. Sen Durbin a Democrat said he said they were as above,
but he is unreliable on t hings like this. He reported one GOP sen as saying
when in front of Obama that he couldn't stand him. Obama and his press
secretary said it didn't happen. So I think rep Love should
take a second look at this.
hardware - Erda, UtJan. 13, 2018 6:35 a.m."One guy, a
democrat, ran to the media with this . . . "You don't deny
the statement, only that it got in the media. Should Republicans keep all their
meetings secret to insure that no bad news gets out except for what the public
is allowed to know? What would you say if the Democrats did this when they are
in power?What Donald Trump said diminishes the presidency and is
news. Should only "good news" about Trump be reported in the media? Some
people consider negative press about Trump as "fake news". Their concern
is not about "truth", but maintain a administration propaganda effort to
manipulate information.As for Roosevelt, Kennedy, et. al., that is
old history in a time when such reports were not published in the press.
Clinton, by the way, was impeached which you fail to mention. Selective
partisanship is not a convincing argument with anyone but the partisan
ideologue. That's why we have a free press.The WSJ is reporting
Trump's payoffs to porn stars bribed to keep their stories out of the news
right before the election. Should we censor these stories? Or is it that only
criticism of the political opposition is fair game?
All this did was reinforce Trump to his base... it's all about that base.
No trouble! They love him for these very comments and will probably re-elect
him for it. Sadly, Utahns are part of Trump's solid base.
Hatch even said Trump could be the "greatest president ever." What
does that say about us?
@iceman96Thank you for the info.Mexico regularly gets 13% of the
green cards, yet their population is only 124.5 million people. The world has
7.4 BILLION people.You can't really say Mexico is a good
neighbor. Mexican nationals top the list of incarcerated immigrants. The Mexican
government regularly interferes in our courts when we seek to punish Mexicans
convicted of crimes here. Much of the street drug trade here comes from Mexico.
Three out of five illegal aliens are from Mexico. Five Mexican states are
declared as unsafe places to travel.So, tell me how high immigration
numbers from Mexico serves the national interest?
IMAPatriot2 - Logan, UTJan. 12, 2018 3:21 p.m."The fake
outrage over Trump’s language . . . "Is this like
"fake news"? Is it outrage that you don't like and therefore label
it "fake"? It must be since I am outraged and I don't consider
myself "fake". Perhaps you might consider me a "fake person"
since I certainly am not a Donald Trump fan. In fact, I see him breaking most of
his promises to voters he made on health care, taxes, national security, and
"making America great". Instead, he is leading a path of destruction as
he travels and plays golf on the taxpayers dime embroiled in petty twitter
battles of insignificance.Hillary Clinton told us of what would
happen with Trump. We are seeing the truth in her statements. The only people
who continue to support him are his hardcore supporters, less than 32% of the
voting public. Fortunately, places like NY and CA are not as affected by Trump
since there are mechanisms in place to stop his assault on basic rights and
freedoms.It remains a question of why Trump supports appear to want
an authoritarian controlling their lives, the strings of government, and the
news media? Make no mistake. there are many who remain opposed.
NoNamesAccepted - St. George, UTJan. 12, 2018 4:01 p.m."For the media to shake a finger at Trump for using a "vulgar
term" . . . "Duh? He's the President of the United
States. His comments have consequences. And the nations he offends are nations
the United States cannot afford to offend because of the geo-political situation
in these places, particularly when China is moving to replace the United
States' influence in these regions." . . . these are not
great places to live."But people do live there because they have
to. Some leave if they are capable and move to where it is better for them and
their families. Most may want to come to the United States because America is
still considered the "shining city on the hill" in the world. They want
the opportunity and they come as educated contributors to our society.In reference to comments about Third World Countries, remember that these are
former European colonies exploited for their wealth. There was little if any
consequential development. These former colonies were left on their own upon
independence after having been stripped of much of their resources. There was no
Marshall Plan to help them when they needed it most.
YBH - Sugarland, TXJan. 13, 2018 2:10 p.m.The question
remains: Should the President of the United States be talking this way knowing
that it harms American prestige with those nations? Sure, we know that he is
naturally crude and lacking in basic skills of diplomatic speech. But,
really?It may be that some people consider Sugarland, TX, to be a
"[bleep]hole". Perhaps there are others that consider Provo, UT, in the
same way. What about those communities devastated by hurricanes, earthquakes, or
fire? They should be approached from a position of thoughtful consideration and
not dismissed with a vulgar reference. One's personal opinion, however
irrelevant and inconsequential, can be easily dismissed as one of ignorance and
stupidity. The reference is significant because of the position that
Donald Trump holds. Comments, however ill-conceived, have consequences when
uttered by anyone in a position of authority. There is a difference if I call
Sugarland, TX, a "[bleep]hole" and if Trump calls Sugarland, TX, a
"[bleep]hole".Do you remember when Ted Cruz made equally
negative comments about New York during a primary debate? Trump was livid. And
Cruz was not the president.
@ iceman96"Is the name Trump used really profane?"More so than "flyover country" and people take umbrage to that.
I believe the key issues are:1. The free world, including the
United States is having a hard time dealing with immigration and refugee
management out of third world countries.2. The United States has an
internal political war going on on top of its immigration management
problems.3. President Trump has a language /communications problem.
I don't like his choice of words to describe physical and cultural and
political circumstances in some of these countries, but his assessment of
conditions is understandable and succinct.The President has picked
up on one key truth. If the US of A is to lead the world, it must be inherently
strong in itself in order to be able to help others. We will be better help if
we can first provide for us at "our" home while we seek to stabilize and
support others in "their" home environment rather than relocating them
as a disruption to our circumstance. Diversity is a noble concept, but
societies work better if there is a related heritage, common language and value
system at the base. We can't handle any and everybody coming
here. There has to be some control. We cannot tolerate critical masses of
radical factions of any stripe.
@Mad Hatter:* critiquing is a great way of learning*
controlled anger will provide motivation and determination* bitterness and
hatred has never led to anything good. Never!
The top ten largest immigration groups 1960-20161. Mexico 26%2.
India 5.6%3. China 4.9%4. Phillippines 4.4%5. El Salvador
3.3%6. Vietnam 3.1%7. Cuba 2.9%8. Dominican Repyblic 2.5%9. Korea 2.4%10. Guatemala 2.1%Source migrationpolicy dot orgIs the name Trump used really profane? I've heard people complain
about their old country using much more descriptive language. For the record,
Caucasian's make up only 17% of our green cards.
@Thid....."Now can we get on with REAL problems in America, like having 20
million illegals in our country and what to do with them (thank you
Obama)?"Do we really need to start detailing where this
statement is completely false? Are you claiming that 20 million entered the
nation during the 8 years of Obama's Presidency? How do you make claims
like this? The hypocritical thing about all this is these same
people that now lay Obama to blame for everything are the very same that
complained very loudly about anyone blaming Bush for anything that transpired.
Evidently now - Obama is to blame for everything, including all immigration
since Reagan. Impressive.I deep down am very conservative. But to
me, conservative and christian values means you don't lie about the other
person - point out where they are wrong -fine - but out and out lies... I
don't get how you reconcile that. Hence why so many are abandoning the
Republican Party. We all hold "conservatives" to a higher standard
than progressives.... because they claim to have a higher standard. But the
creative truth and facts just discredits it daily.
Nothing but politics. The same people condemning Trump have been telling us for
years how back these countries are, as a way to justify illegal immigration, and
allowing them to stay. Democrats want to slow enforcement of
immigration laws, and prevent new ones from being passed. If
it's racist, then the media has been doing it for years.
My concern is Trumps denial that he said it.It seems to me that is a
continual saga of him saying something like his conversation with the FBI
director and then denying he said itIs it really a gigantic
conspiracy by the medial telling lies about him or does he have a problem
telling the truth about events that occurred?How can we remedy this
situation?I personally would like to know what the truth is!!
'm truly surprised at all of the commenters calling themselves Mormons who
would judge this President and downplay the suffering of our brothers and
sisters in these third world countries. These are children of God just like
you! Doesn't their pain living in some of these awful places bother you?
At all?Truly it makes me ashamed that so many would call themselves
Mormons and bear false witness about their own President's words, and then
presume that our brothers and sisters are not suffering. Shame.This
President is working in the Spirit of God by what he is doing to make America
great again. The Book of Mormon is clear on America being a "land set above
all others" and we should do everything to protect her. I implore you to
follow President Monson's last words and follow the Book of Mormon instead
@sanefan: " While I wish we had a more courteous and kinder spoken
President, we have to acknowledge the fact that we now live in a vulgar culture.
I mean it was repeated about 300 times last night on the national news shows.
Please! The difference in todays world is EVERYTHING gets repeated and
broadcast. Think about Harry Truman who was said to have a "colorful'
vocabulary,"Enough with the moral equivocation, that's the
job of politicians, not the citizenry!And do NOT mention Trump in
the same sentence as Harry Truman. He would climb out of his grave and smack
you upside the head if he heard that.
Everyone knows that there are many countries that are plagued with corrupt
governments, dysfunctional society, extreme poverty, violence, disease, and
populations that are predominantly low- skilled and poorly educated. Haiti is
one of these countries, so are Somalia and many other countries in Africa.
Whether you call them "==holes" or "failed states," Trump's
point was correct. It's not in the best interests of the United States to
keep importing people from these Third World countries. This was Trump's
meaning, and it was valid, even if unartfully articulated.
@ hardware"I will vote for him again in a heartbeat."Women, suburbanites, millennials, and people of color won't.
@Mad Hatter - Provo, UTYou are free to see everything in the lense
of race, and call Mr. President all kinds of name, because this is a free
country. But other people also can have opinions on this issue in color blind
way.DJT is a businessman, may like to see things in business way. He
also said in that meeting that USA should be more open to Asian immigrants,
because he felt they would help US economically, does that look like White
supremacy or racism to you too? The countries he referred, by using
wrong language BTW, are those under Temporary Protected Status (TPS), which
only includes African countries like Sudan and Somalia, not the whole continent.
And these places are far lesser countries than USA, or Norway, millions of
American would agree too. Trump was just not polite enough or reserved enough to
keep it to himself. And if people came from those countries are
offended, maybe they can go back to help make those countries better places.
China, India have made huge progress, lifted hundreds of million people out of
poverty. Those countries Trump referred to can make that happen too. Americans
will see them differently if situation improves.
I've heard that the safest street in America is the street is where the
Mafia lives. Could it be that the horrible poverty of our southern neighbors
is the product of the American businessmen with the help of our military
strength and our successful wars against them.
Probably only a few critical thinking people would disagree with the sentiment
that as a generality fewer people from Haiti provide benefit to the United
States Than those individuals coming from more educated countries. The
education level suggests To me that many people coming from Haiti are hoping for
a financial benefit which for too many means getting on the welfare train.
The disheartening thing to me however about president Trump's comment is
that he has to use crass and rude language. I belong to a BMW motorcycle group.
I would discourage that type of commentary in that group. Why do I have to hear
it from my president.
GenErik - Ventura, CAJan. 12, 2018 4:18 p.m."President
Trump speaks the truth."I realize minds may not change
responding to such a statement, but Donald Trump is a racist, a liar, a
misogynist, a sexual predator, an adulterer, an unethical businessman, and an
insult to the American people.He has now offended an entire
continent and half of the Western hemisphere in his remarks. I'm sure he
would apply the same comments to various states and/or cities that have
significant numbers of people of color and problems associated with poverty.Now we have a president who isn't welcome in the country with which
we have enjoyed a special, supporting relationship for over 150 years. As for
the rest of Europe, maybe he will be greeted by the wealthy global elite of
Davos where hide from his offensive behavior. One can only guess what he really
thinks about the rest of us. The Russians really pulled a fast one
on the American people. Not only did they successfully recruit their "useful
idiot", but they have spread dissension here and reduced American influence
around the world. Whatever secret Trump is protecting, the Russians will
continue to support him financially for his efforts.
How many Utahans here were as disgusted with their Bill Clinton ? Not that many
it would seem from reading the comments. It's all good as long as the
President keeps pushing YOUR agendas. Right? All Obama did was dictate via
Executive Order and how many here complained about that? As long as Obama was
pushing YOUR agenda it was AOK with you. Right?
I have been puzzled by the muted response by LDS toward Trump. Reading some of
these comments I realize finally that LDS regard liberalism (modern term) as a
greater threat than fascism. Wow!
I and several colleagues went to Haiti in support of Haitian Roots and Grace
House, getting to experience Haitian leaders helping children affected by trauma
experienced by so many in that poor country. They are good and decent people,
trying to overcome generations of very difficult circumstances along with the
devastation from recent natural disasters. Because of our experience there,
President Trump's comment is all the more offensive and unacceptable. He
deserves to be called out for comments like this. That said, I am also offended
by those who want to make hay over a man's stupid comments while they
hypocritically ignore anything of good that man does in terms of public policy
while attacking him and his family members very personally. Disgusting
distractions like these comments are his mistakes, not who he is as a person.
But truth is we live in a shame-based world where we are increasingly doing this
- making each other feel we are our mistakes, or we are our weaknesses.
Can't we just re-focus on helping each other rise above our mistakes and
@ illuminated I wonder how the members of the church in Peru and the
people you taught would feel if they read your comments.
Do people need to be politically correct to be a good person?Are we
politically correct in our own thoughts?What do plumbers say?
Many folks are led around on a leash by the liberal media. Hypocrites!* No proof Trump said these descriptive words.* Americans live with
cussing on a daily basis. Nothing new.* Many folks at a lower level of
hatred and bitterness than they claim of Trump. Pathetic!
It appears that once again, a falsehood has been perpetrated by a Democrat and
the press over reacts. The real story headline should be, “Senator Durbin
once again caught in a lie.”
Those countries are disasters!!! So he used a profane word instead of
"disaster". Why do people freak out at this stuff.Our
President is from Brooklyn. Have you ever been to Brooklyn?
Can someone get me a tissue... someone offended my tender heart. We
need to close the borders, eliminate central banks, eliminate national debt,
respect our traditions, honor our military, downsize our federal government by
90%, focus on the education and quality of life of our citizens not illegals.
I have traveled to these parts of the world. These countries are
extremely undesirable, poor, crime ridden, lack respect of private property,
opportunistic. The Presidents description is accurate.
President Trump's alleged choice of language in a closed meeting is nothing
compared to language spoken on open mic by Joe Biden. It's been reported
that several presidents used foul language (Roosevelt, Truman, Kennedy, etc.),
but it didn't stop them from being considered to be great presidents.
Also, the MSM wasn't out to get them 24/7, like they are with Trump and
past Republican presidents. Trump may or may not have said that foul word, but
CNN sure is having fun "quoting" that word, and not bleeping it.
"Trump's vulgar term disgusts, saddens Utahns with ties to Haiti,
Africa"It saddens all Utahns regardless of their ties to Haiti
@ Dr H - LAYTON, UTFirst, that the language President Trump used was
inexcusable. But I still want to remind you that he put that term in front of
countries, not people. And there are millions of Americans who believe USA is a
far far much better country than those like Haiti or Sudan, or Somalia, and
Trump is just one of them.In fact, there is a reason why President
Trump was frustrated. And it has nothing to do with Christianity. It is because
that "DACA deal" would continue to keep the Temporary Protected Status
(TPS) for people of Haiti, El Salvador, and Sudan, Somalia, etc. Those
politicians are making this "temporary" protection into a de facto
permanent residency. For example, the so-called "temporary"
protection for El Salvadorans has already last for 17 years. how long should it
last further more? Thank God for President Trump, If he didn't stop this
program, no one would have the gut to do so. How about go back to
your countries and start to work, and make that country a better place? If that
country becomes a better one, people would have more favorable opinions.
Trump is right.I spent 2 years in Peru as a missionary and
couldn't believe how awful it was. I remember the first time driving
through Lima after getting off the plane. The city reminded me of post Berlin
bombing photos. Entire city streets had been rendered impassable from garbage
pilled 20 feet high. Roaming packs of dogs, half rabid, dead and rotting animal
carcasses everywhere, people scrounging barefoot in garbage, feces-infested
rivers barefoot. The perpetual stench was overwhelming. I'm not being
hyperbolic, it was that bad.When I landed back in the US after 2
years I literally cried. Most Americans have no clue how good we have it.
America is an oasis in a planet of filth.Liberal and corrupt
governments did this. We should not be immigrating people to the US who think
these countries are fine.
Despite the term used, Trump is correct in the statement about the conditions
of those countries. They have very little to offer the U.S. in terms of legal
immigrants; why do they have preferred status?
My cousin married a Pole several years ago. But he was not allowed to immigrate
to the United States, even though she is an American citizen and he has top
skills. So they lived in the U.K., while doing all they could to come to
America, legally. Last month, they we're finally able to come to America.
Her family is so happy. This newspaper featured a story about how refugees are
struggling here with the culture, etc. We all want to help them, yes even
President Trump gave an emotional speech about how we need to help them, early
in his campaign. But perhaps the best way to help many of them is to help them
resettle in safe areas near their original countries so that they won't
have to add culture shock while resettling in expensive foreign lands to their
lists of other horrific traumas they've had already had to experience.
The word is not the issue. The issue is that he is showing disdain for people
trying to escape such places, saying we don't want immigrants from troubled
countries, we only want immigrants from wealthy, stable countries. Which is the
opposite of what this nation has always stood for. The founders said America is
the place where people seeking freedom can escape the trap they are in. The
Statue of Liberty says America welcomes those considered "refuse" or
garbage by people like Trump. But his defenders say we can't afford to let
these people in anymore, refusing to believe the clear data showing immigrants
boost our ecomony. It's interesting that in the past, Trump defenders said
we had to ban immigrants from Syria, etc because they would bring radical Islam
with them. But now we see that was an excuse. Haiti, El Salvador and most
African nations are predominantly Christian. But I guess Trumpism's version
of Christianity was never really Christianity at all. It's just thinly
Ok, so President Trump said an inappropriate word! Now can we get on with REAL
problems in America, like having 20 million illegals in our country and what to
do with them (thank you Obama)? Or how about N. Korea's nukes aimed at us
(thank you Bill Clinton)? Then there is the issue of double digit healthcare
insurance premium increases and impossible deductibles most Americans are facing
(thanks a lot Obama)! So many messes for President Trump to clean up! Things in
America are rapidly improving and all the other side can say is how horrible
Trump's innuendo was! Grow up, Democrats!
It appears that my first comment did not pass moderator inspection. I guess
that I should have used --- as was used in the article, instead of ___, in
obscuring the expletive prefix. I'll try again.If Haiti is a
hole, US Corporations, US Taxpayer money, and The Clinton Foundation are largely
responsible. Farmers were pushed off their property, the most fertile
agriculture land in Haiti, and the land was paved over and replaced with a giant
sweatshop that pays an avg. daily wage of $5, about half the daily cost of
living in Haiti. It only employs 1/4 the promised 20,000 jobs.Where
Haiti was once able to grow its own food, it now must import about 60% of
it's food from Dominican Republic.Bill and Hillary are two of
the most loathed people in Haiti. Is that any kind of thanks for all the
"help" they gave raising all that charity money after the earthquake?
It depends how that money is spent.
This national news story is based on heresay. Trump says that he did not say
it, while a Democrat senator says he did say it. The main stream news media and
the Democrats will rabidly jump on any heresay and if it's bad, they will
play it 24/7 to try to destroy the president. Everything else they have tried
has failed and has been proven false (some have gotten suspended over it), but
they are still beating those "dead horses." They rarely cover the
positive and amazing achievements of this presidency. And they covered up the
failures and the illegal activities of the previous administration, but that is
slowly coming to light now.
Senator David Perdue also at the meeting said he did not hear the comments like
Durbin a Democrat. The governments of these countries are as Mr. Trump
commented I think most of us would agree to that. The people in my experience
are fine. Mr. Trump is a rough and ready Manhattan realtor not a politician.
That is why his supporters give him some slack. Naturally I am sure no Democrat
ever used such language.
I dislike the crudity of Trump’s alleged choice of words. But Joe Biden
and many before him have normalized this kind of coarse language. As
for Mia Love, perhaps she can explain why her parents left if Haiti is such a
wonderful place. I think it had something to do with having s better life they
could not have in their native country.
Mr. Trump said nothing about derogatory Haiti. More than eight hours before
this story ran, CNN's chief Washington correspondent, Jake Tapper, tweeted
that the Haitian story was false and that people who heard Trump speak mixed two
different stories together. Now Mia Love has offended a large part
of her base because she jumped to conclusions without checking the facts. She
could have fact checked the article. She could have asked someone on her staff
to fact check it. If I could easily find Mr. Tapper's tweets denying
everything written about Trumps's remarks about Haiti that was published in
major media all over America report, then any newspaper could have easily found
Mr. Tapper's tweets.Mr. Tapper is no friend of Trump. It must
have irked him to have to report that once again, that Trump was correct in his
denial that he had said anything derogatory about Haiti and that the media was
caught publishing another whopper.What's disheartening is that
because the media has not retracted their statements about Haiti, the public has
even more reason to doubt anything that they read or hear.
ANY President, in an Oval Office meeting on immigration: "Why are we taking
in so many people from Haiti? That country is a mess."President
Trump, same meeting: "Why are we taking in so many people from Haiti? That
country is a ---- hole."There's absolutely ZERO
difference.Quit freaking out.And for those who have
called this vulgar(thank you media) visit a construction site or a military
barracks numerous places. Then come back and explain vulgar.LOL
"Trump's vulgar term disgusts, saddens Utahns with ties to Haiti,
Africa"Isn't that just a sad headline. "Utahns with
ties to Haiti and Africa". Wouldn't it be nice if people without ties
to those two places thought it was below presidential? But that's
right.... being anti "politically correct" (nice), not the thing to be
Fake outrage. Fake drama. It's getting silly.The President swore. He
said something rude. Gasp! Oh, the drama of it all! Did we Republicans
act this pathetic when Obama was in office?
For you dwindling Trump supporters, let's stop pretending that Trump was
talking about their 'infrastructure' and living conditions. I've
heard you talking about how you're afraid these people are coming to mooch
off America and take your jobs. Haitians, Ghanans and others
I've known from these countries are some of the hardest working people I
know. I met 4 Cubans once who were the only ones to survive their shark-infested
journey across the water, which started with 25 people. Yeah, their
infrastructure was bad too but I don't know many other Americans who fought
harder to be free.Fact is, 'infrastructure' has nothing to
do with how hard someone works to succeed in America. It's just racist
Interesting that Dick Durbin has been caught again lying to the press for the
sole purpose of extending the hate trump and dispose of him at all cost
agenda.Democrat Senator and Media Darling, Dick Durbin, wanted to
enhance the 36 hour Tea Party Racist narrative by claiming loudly a “GOP
Leader” told President Obama: “I Cannot Even Stand To Look At
You”. However, President Obama, and others in the room (via Jay Carney)
say,“that never happened”.Jay Carney in a press
conference: I will say this, I spoke with somebody who was in that meeting and
it did not happen.Not one other person in the room Thursday can or
will substantiate Durbin's claim; not even Lindsey Graham. President Trump said it did not happen, and two other senators said they did
not hear the phantom curse statement. All I can surmise, is that Durbin is
He said it he owns it. It is true, the earth quake an then a disaster of the
Clinton's foundation solidified it.
The President says he didn't say it? I believe him.
One guy, a democrat, ran to the media with this, again to stir up trouble. I
remember when we didn't have a disgusting, lying group of reporters that
reported real news. This has long been the methods used to oust a Republican.
Think about it, Kennedys's affairs, Ted Kennedy and Chappiquidick,
Roosevelt and his mistress, Clinton (lucky Monica kept her dress). Nixon was
forced to resign while Obama and the DNC did far worse to Trump and continue to
use the media to detour his agenda. The democrat presidents said much of the
same thing, but for some reason, always got a pass. We have to stop taking the
bait dangled in front of us like hungry fish. Let this man, who obviously knows
what he's doing, fulfill his promises. America voted for him and in one
year he's turned our economy around, brought jobs back to the United
States, fought Isis and worked with leaders in ways unimaginable by Obama. I
will vote for him again in a heartbeat.
Nuance isn’t the president’s gameHe should have
said...We have about have half the planet run by corrupt foolish
scary incompetent governments ie dictators of all make and model who destroy the
lives of their citizens... so naturally they want to come here and libs think we
can bring them all here and it will be nirvana... well that’s not going to
worf - McAllen, TXJan. 12, 2018 8:19 p.m."The only reason
folks find this vulgar is because the media says it is."Not only
vulgar, but racist, vile, crude, insensitive, condescending, hateful, and
stupid.Those who only watch 'Fox & Friends' from the
Trump Ministry of Propaganda may think that "everyone" talks this way,
but my mother taught me how to respect people and not be vulgar. But this is all
in line with Donald Trump's white nationalist agenda. He and
his true-believing supporters appear to have a fear of the browning of America
and would rather have more Aryans immigrate than people from non-white majority
nations even if these folk are better educated and are more patriotic than
Trump's base. All one has to do is look at our armed forces to see that
diversity is the primary feature of those willing to risk their lives for our
national defense.Rather than regurgitate wingnut propaganda about
the national media, pick up several national newspapers and read them. Perhaps
tomorrow we will have moved on to Fox defending Trump in his payments right
before the election to two women with whom he is alleged to have had affairs
during his third marriage. Access Hollywood?
Haiti is Hillary's bad. If the haitians and africans lived in paradise,
they wouldn't be here. Duh.
Trump represents ME! Ask any refugee... they are 'exactly what Trump
said' countries. That's why refugees left those places. Thanks for
speaking truth Mr. President
It’s just a little sad and ironic that the President of the United States,
whose campaign slogan was “Make America Great Again,” just said
something that dumps on the ideal of the American Dream, and everyone’s
arguing about whether or not what he said was vulgar. It used to be that someone
with gumption and a work ethic could come here from a hole (from outside or
inside the US) and succeed, but now the President says he only wants
“good” people from “good” countries. The American Dream
is on its last legs, and Trump supporters are giving it a good kick to help kill
Trump's comments should disgust and sadden ALL Utahns, not just those with
ties to the countries Trump insulted.
Is it really a vulgar term? I think it depends on what side of the political
fence you sit on. If they are not bad places to live right now, why
are we giving refugee status to their citizens?
It should also disgust people with ties to civility, intelligence, decency,
religion and humanity. But some people see clear to look past those and
support him. The only reason folks find this vulgar is because the media
says it is, we're told. No, the vulgarity stands on it's own merit.
The DN wouldn't let those words pass here. We don't accept them in
normal conversation. Hopefully, this won't last long.
Oh Donald, you've done it again!On the day you announced your
candidacy, you made it not only possible, but necessary, to have an opinion on
illegal aliens. For years we've allowed our politicians to speak in code
about the border, deportation and immigration.On that day, you
changed the dynamic. You stood alone in calling for enforcement.Here
we are a couple of years later making people talk about chain migration and why
we keep giving green cards to people who really don't contribute to our
economy.All those people who are denouncing Trump are really saying
we should open our doors to anyone living in a stink hole. But those stink holes
are really great countries...but we shouldn't deport people back to them
because that would be cruel.(Now I'm getting confused. Suddenly
Trump is sounding pretty good.)The Donald has forced the discussion.
All you have to do is filter out the noise.
I think we need to lighten up. We know Trump by now; he says lots of stuff.
He's negotiating, and trying to help the country I suppose. Unfortunately,
this is far from the worst thing that presidents have said.
The only reason folks find this vulgar is because the media says it is.
And now Trump is trying to deny he ever said it.Can people please
just write to their representatives and senators and ask them to tell Trump to
step aside. He may have been better than Hillary, but he no longer represents
the American people.Language like that just demonstrates
Trump's anger. Looks like when the going gets bumpy, Trumpy gets grumpy.
Trump expresses himself in very obnoxious ways, but his policy goals are
actually pretty good for our country, and he has bee remarkably successful
getting many of them implemented.Those trying to paint Trump as a
racist are ignoring that fact that Trump's companies are extremely diverse
with minorities in many top positions. But, never let facts get in the way of
the leftist and media hate fest over everything related to Trump.Every time Trump utters some outrageous comment he also diverts attention away
from whatever the latest made up media stories are saying, so it is a double win
for him, and drives the left nuts. Make that a triple win!How would
our nation benefit from more immigrants from failed and backward nations with
poor education and massive corruption? Bolstering Democrat registration rolls
is not a good enough reason.
utahute69I agree with almost everything you wrote until you got to
the last phrase. Here it is."... just so one party can increase
its voting base." Miami Cubans are among the most loyal
Republican voters.Your are far more diplomatic than President Trump
is with the following statement."Both countries had difficult
times finding a good starting point, but the Dominican Republic had to fight for
its freedom from a Haiti that had imposed harsh regulations on those that were
not of African descent."The Haitian occupation of the Dominican
Republic is a terrible event in history and was much more than "harsh
regulations on those that were not of African Descent."
Mack is correct. While I wish we had a more courteous and kinder spoken
President, we have to acknowledge the fact that we now live in a vulgar culture.
I mean it was repeated about 300 times last night on the national news shows.
Please! The difference in todays world is EVERYTHING gets repeated and
broadcast. Think about Harry Truman who was said to have a "colorful'
vocabulary, he lived in a time when one didn't need a filter because
society and the media provided it. Those days are gone and we wonder why.
It's interesting, isn't it, that Trump is happy to accept someone from
Norway, a nation long castigated by Republicans as being socialistic.But our small-government Republican President wants to DENY entry from those
nation's in Africa, who have small government with very little government
intervention at all. Why? Because they are "s---hole countries."Hey Republicans . . . Listen up.Your hero and leader has
tacitly admitted that expansive and socialistic government is superior to small
government. . . . A paradigm shift happened, and you didn't
even notice it.Face the facts, it's time for good governance,
and Republican leadership does not offer good governance.That's why our Russian enemies help Republicans win elections here.
Republican leadership keeps America weak.
@eastcoastcoug Politicians in both parties have been caught saying crude things
since the beginning of the Republic. It get's mentioned and then quickly is
forgotten. But this level of obsession is off the charts. If every single thing
Trump does is an "outrage" pretty soon everyone just tunes it out and
nothing is an outrage.
"Unfortunately, Trump's track record in the area of race makes this
comment extremely likely. There are too many incidents in Trump's past that
fit this threshold."Ask Dr. Ben Carson if that is true.
How many Utah residents from Haiti would return with their family to that island
country. It is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere. Haiti shares
that small island with the Dominican Republic which has an economy and national
wealth that shames Haiti. Both countries had difficult times finding a good
starting point, but the Dominican Republic had to fight for its freedom from a
Haiti that had imposed harsh regulations on those that were not of African
descent. So, call the Dominican Republic an upstart nation when compared to
Haiti. So yes, Haiti is far from a wonderful place thanks to government
corruption. And, its citizens are the single largest group attempting to enter
the Dominican Republic illegally. That is the story of Haiti. A poor nation
that will remain poor in spite of the millions given to it by the US. Once
again, Trump used poor judgement in selecting his words, however his point is
accurate. Everyone wants a better life which means that most of the
underdeveloped world would prefer to live in the US. We can't afford to
give the third world population a better life through US immigration, just so
one party can increase its voting base.
Trump denies he made the "hole" comment.And the Republican
politicians who were there have rapidly fading memories about what actually
happened. Paul Ryan says it was "unfortunate," but who knows if he will
have any memory of those unfortunate words tomorrow?BTW . . . 85% of
Republicans say Trump is doing a good job, "hole" comments
notwithstanding.And he is doing a good job . . . From the
perspective of Vladimir Putin and our nation's enemies. America's
status continues to plummet under Trump's Republican leadership.
@Mack2828,So you're saying this kind of hateful language is OK?
It's worse that someone made a 'big deal' out of it? How in the world do you expect people to give your values any credibility with
such a statement?
Personally, I don't really care that he said a swear word. But it is
superlatively racist for him to suggest immigration policy should be based on
accepting white people from white countries and keeping out black people from
black countries. Immigration policy should be based upon the characteristics of
the individual immigrants--not the demographics of the country they would be
The media has been condemning conditions in Haiti for decades, and used it as
justification for illegal immigration or to promote refugee status.
Unfortunately, Trump's track record in the area of race makes this comment
extremely likely. There are too many incidents in Trump's past that fit
this threshold. Blaming the media is the only knee-jerk reaction
available. Oh, I suppose Trump could march out Don King and Mike Tyson to
profess Trump isn't a racist. Hard not to imagine he's not thinking of
President Trump speaks the truth. The problem is no one can handle the truth any
longer. If a criminal gets released from prison do you want him
living next door? Why bring people into our country that are not going to
improve our communities. The government or rather taxpayers already support more
people than we can handle. Get all the homeless off the streets
before we start bringing in more homeless people. We are 21 trillion in debt. We
have a crappy government as bad as many of the countries Trump pointed out. Trump spoke about the governments and criminal elements and not as
individuals. If you look up the word easily offended you will see a picture of a
liberal.We need more truth tellers like Trump.What Trump is
suggesting we do is what the countries like Australia, New Zeland and Canada do
with their immigration policies now to keep less desirables out, but I do not
hear anyone drying about them!
Shame, shame, shame on Trump for his vulgar, racist rant. No one who calls
themselves a Conservative or Patriot should condone such offensive behavior. The
very idea that we should excuse it because it is someone on 'our side'
of the political fence is unconscionable. I would have had my mouth
washed out as a kid for such language. I would never tolerate that from my kids.
To pretend otherwise for political reasons would be to destroy my credibility
and values. This is the current legacy of the GOP to our children.
What saddens and disgusts me is the media's absolute, full blown obsession
with taking every single thing Trump says and trying to blow it up into a huge
scandal. Its divisive, it stirs up contention, it's not helping our Country
and it needs to stop.
For the media to shake a finger at Trump for using a "vulgar term" that
pales to the language and content routinely used in movies, tv shows, popular
music, etc, is beyond hypocritical.Harry Truman routinely referred
to "manure" using the "s word".And the very fact we
have so many in this nation rendering humanitarian and charitable aid in Hataii
is strong evidence that nation has some serious problems. So too does much of
Africa, along with our own Puerto Rico.There may be more or less
delicate ways to describe the day to day living conditions in the "3rd
world". But when we consider on massive, wide scale public health
problems--hookworm and other parasites, cholera, malaria, AIDS, etc--,violent
crime including routine rapes and sexual assaults, lack of safe drinking water,
poverty, amd other problems, these are not great places to live.Object to Trump's choice of words if you must. But anyone who claims he
disagrees with the general assessment of the 3rd world should go live there
under native conditions for a couple of years to put their money where their
mouth is.Bottom line, no reason to exclude 1st world immigrants in
favor of 3rd world residents.
"Americans shouldn't give the president a pass but demand he apologize,
Moyes said." Trump NEVER apologizes. Denies, deflects, and lies,
yes. Apologize-no. Plus, there's always another distraction, right around
the corner to change focus- Just wait until the payoff bombshell hits the
D-News. Buckle up- we'll have forgotten about his Haiti/Africa issue in a
week. But, I'm betting a good amount of Utahn's that voted for
him, will keep supporting him. No matter how "dismayed and saddened"
they may be.
@Imapatriot2, I can assure you that my sense of outrage is not "fake."
It is quite real.
I never realized until President Trump how much of a role shame plays in
regulating the behavior of our public leaders. Unfortunately, the question has
now become, how do we regulate a leader that has no shame?
The fake outrage over Trump’s language is humorous.. As long as he
continues to keep his promises he will have my support and vote. I’m glad
he has the ability to "by pass" the biased media. I suspect that is
what is driving them crazy. They no longer have exclusive control of the
narrative. GO TRUMP!!!!1
Trump's vulgar term disgusts, saddens Utahns with ties to Haiti, Africa==== as opposed tp what it SHOULD be:Trump's vulgar term disgusts, saddens Utahns - PERIOD!