LivinLarge – Bountiful UT: “Everybody deserves the presumption of
innocence, however, my lifetime of experience tells me this is not going to end
will.” [sic]You’re right, everyone does deserve the
presumption of innocence. Not going to end well for whom? For the alleged
entrapper? While I’m skeptical, perhaps she can provide an innocent,
verifiable explanation for the interaction described. Stranger things have
happened, I suppose, but if we’re going to give even people who are
suspected of crimes the benefit of the presumption of innocence (again, perhaps
this person can provide an entirely innocent, verifiable explanation), it seems
to me that we’re even more bound to give people who are not suspected of
crimes that same presumption.With all due respect to your
“lifetime of experience,” in appealing to that experience as
authority, do you mean to dismiss the considerable experience of people whose
experiences have differed greatly from your own? Do you mean to suggest that,
since no stranger has ever appeared (seemingly out of nowhere) claiming to be
your “date,” such things couldn’t happen? My experience
suggests that fallacies such as these should be avoided. ;-D
@procuradorfiscalRe: "People obsessed with others' morality . . .
are fundamentally uncertain about their own."Which is a pretty
apt description of today's liberal politicos."The same
could be said of today's conservative politicos. This is why they continue
to pass abortion and LGBTQ legislation that the Courts continue to find
unconstitutional. This is also why our very own legislature passed a law
lowering the BAC (under the guise of "public safety"), yet just
yesterday blocked a bill that dealing with driving while on a cell phone. If you
believe the lower BAC falls under the banner of "public safety", but the
cell phone bill doesn't, then the law was not about public safety, but
about the prominent view on alcohol her in Utah.
Help America – Bakersfield CA: “Where is Little America in all of
this. If prostitution is a crime why are establishments letting them wander
around like a pack of rats.”True, prostitution may be a crime
(and related acts, such as solicitation of prostitution, may be crimes), but
merely “wandering around,” without more, usually isn’t a
crime. See, e.g., Papachristou v. City of Jacksonville, 405 U.S. 156 (1972).
There is a perhaps-fine line between “letting [people] wander around like
a pack of rats,’ on the one hand, and unduly interfering with the movement
of (entirely innocent!) hotel guests and those who (are entirely innocent! and),
simply, may wish to visit them, on the other hand.
Everybody deserves the presumption of innocence, however, my lifetime of
experience tells me this is not going to end will. Desparate people do dumb
things, and what is described here is among dumbest. You can bet that law
enforcement is 10 steps ahead on this one.
"Hopefully, everybody is thinking twice about wandering off alone and making
sure they have somebody with them..."I remember my dad giving me
near identical advice when he allowed my older brothers and me go play skeeball
on the Rehoboth Beach boardwalk by ourselves. My oldest brother was 15. I was
8. My mom warned us not to take any wooden nickels. Or was it
E.B. White? I vividly remember the scene from Charlotte's Web, where Fern
and Avery were cautioned prior to heading out into the teeming county fair. He
perfectly captured the tension of youth, so eager to be free of parents, but
scared by the myriad of strange hazards that await. Wooden nickels!
Who knew? Which brings us back to the strange woman who knocked on
this guy's hotel door, insisting and persisting that he was her date for
the night and vice versa.Occam's Razor points away from the
complicated the 'entrapment' explanation.How about a
dyslexic escort? If she unwittingly transposed the room number, her
odd persistence might be explained by her not wanting to abandon a potentially
lucrative evening. I imagine some clients get last minute cold feet, but are
often persuaded to stick with Plan A.
“Methinks he may protesteth too much.”
Where is Little America in all of this. If prostitution is a crime why are
establishments letting them wander around like a pack of rats. We hire
legislators to pass laws, many of which have moral consequences connected to
them so why cast stones on any elected official. Also, why does a persons
religious upbringing have anything to do with this. A Catholic or Jew has been
brought up with the same moral compass as LDS. I am not sure why religion is
even the topic when it comes to morals which should be the compass for
everyone, atheist or religious.
Re: "People obsessed with others' morality . . . are fundamentally
uncertain about their own."Which is a pretty apt description of
today's liberal politicos.It appears that, at least in this
case, this legislator didn't fall into a trap being set for him, likely by
political opponents.Good for him.
People obsessed with others' morality -- which describes a lot of
legislators -- are fundamentally uncertain about their own.
Nothing surprises me when it deals with politics. Also, nothing surprises me
coming from politicians...conservative or liberal...LDS or non-LDS politician.