BYU men's basketball: Nick Emery doesn't miss a beat in Cougars' 95-80 rout of USU

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  • CougarCat Tucson, AZ
    Dec. 7, 2018 10:50 a.m.

    Some Emery thoughts from down south -

    Does the team need another reliable scorer? Yes
    Can Emery help on defense? Yes
    Should the team & coaches have stood by him as he went through the tough personal stuff he's been dealing with? Hard to say. You want to stand by your teammates, your pupils, when they go through hard times, for sure. But he's brought down the wrath of the the NCAA with his conduct over the last 2 - 3 years. Now BYU mens hoops has to pay heavily.

    Did Nick know what he was doing was wrong? If not yes, he certainly should've known. He went to my old mission (Frankfurt Germany). He ought to know right from wrong. No excuses on the money / booster stuff here.

    Can he / should he / be forgiven by us fans? Of course - if he agrees to mend his ways - and then carries through.

    Should he still be with this team after the damage he's done with his conduct? That's up to Rose, his assistants, Holmoe & his staffers, of course. I personally lean towards kicking him off - but I don't have all the facts at hand.

    Are the NCAA sanctions too severe on BYU hoops? Seems like it. They self reported. But they've gotta keep boosters out of the locker rooms, to be sure.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Dec. 7, 2018 9:24 a.m.

    Many comments and some misunderstanding with some things I said.

    BYU had to vacate one scholarship starting next year. Emery is STILL under scholarship. One could now say he is actually costing BYU two scholarship spots.

    Forgivness as part of repentance does NOT mean you don't face consequences. Emery was selfish. He hurt many people, not just himself. People say he has paid a price by sitting out a year and the first 10 games. But the institution and those associated with the team and its fans are STILL paying the price.

    I know of several people, my son included, who violated the honor code. In each occasion they felt sorry for their actions and repented. On each occasion they were told that there were consequences to their actions and were not admitted back to BYU. I am fine with that because it was their commitment going in. I am not ok with the honor code being arbitrarily or unfairly followed.

    If BYU is not as competitive if they hold athletes to the same admission requirements and honor code as other students, I'm ok. That is who WE are. What Emery did is a black eye, an embarrassment.

    I forgive him, but would like to have seen him gone.

  • Pacoute Payson, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 10:54 p.m.

    Good comments. Someone would be hard pressed to find a comment board that is as civil and point based as this one.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Dec. 6, 2018 8:42 p.m.

    If what Kaysvillecougar says is true, I have no problem with Emory being accepted back on the team. I probably wouldn’t have let him back on the team, but I am a grumpy old man.
    I believe in redemption, but I also believe in accepting consequences for bad decisions. If indeed Emory lost HIS scholarship for the NCAA infraction, and he wants to pay and play, more power to him. I would keep him on a short leash, but I would start him.
    The 2 starting guards—Seljas and Cannon—combined for 3 points, 2 assists, and 2 turnovers. Why are they starting? This makes no sense to me.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 7:38 p.m.

    THEREALND

    “The only difference is ND's issue was academic benefits, and BYU'S was financial benefits. Both were penalized by vacating 2 seasons of wins.”

    Actually, there’s a HUGE difference.

    BYU’s issue involved ONE student and some boosters.

    Notre Dame’s issues involved multiple players and a university employee.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Dec. 6, 2018 7:17 p.m.

    Correction- Both Universities claim that they did NOT know of the violations when they actually occurred.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Dec. 6, 2018 6:48 p.m.

    "ND and the Y do not have the same issues."

    Ultimately, yes they do have the same issue. ND's issues were academic which they self reported. Byu's were financial which they self reported to the NCAA. Both Universities claim that they did know of the violations when they actually occurred. The only difference is ND's issue was academic benefits, and BYU'S was financial benefits. Both were penalized by vacating 2 seasons of wins.

    My information is 100% accurate.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 6, 2018 6:21 p.m.

    @determinism

    "...My new motto is, BYU isn't an institution of higher standards, BYU is an institution of second chances!

    *****

    The truth is that it's both and if you don't believe that then you should probably drop the charade of being a BYU fan and don your red clothing (your true colors) which is a better indication of the school and team that you actually support.

  • KLL Coug Visalia, CA
    Dec. 6, 2018 6:12 p.m.

    Re: Therealnd

    Your information in not accurate.

    The NCAA placed Notre Dame's football team on one-year probation after a student-trainer committed academic misconduct, according to a statement from the NCAA.

    During the 2012 and 2013 seasons, the trainer completed coursework for two football players and gave "impermissible academic assistance" to six other players, according to the NCAA. A number of those players also committed academic misconduct individually by playing while ineligible.

    As a result, the team is forced to vacate its wins from the 2012 and 2013 seasons.

    ND and the Y do not have the same issues.

  • steve24/7 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 6:10 p.m.

    What a difference playing defense makes! Our D looked MUCH better than the past few games. Yes, Nick Emery contributed and did great and it was great to have him back. He's plays good defense and maybe he helped inspire his teammates to do the same. There were still some defensive breakdowns at times but overall a much better effort. Now keep it going and make it even better!

  • KLL Coug Visalia, CA
    Dec. 6, 2018 5:53 p.m.

    Good to have Nick back on the hardwood. We love you, support you and wish you the very best. Continuing your education at the Y and getting your degree is a great accomplishment. Rise and Shout, young man, Rise and Shout.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Dec. 6, 2018 5:41 p.m.

    "No team has had to vacate any wins in similar circumstances for more than 20 years."

    The NCAA forced Notre Dame to vacate two seasons of football wins (21 games) because of NCAA violations committed that the University was not aware of. That was for the 2012 & 2013 seasons and they lost their appeal this year. 2 seasons seems to be the standard for vacating wins when ineligible players are allowed to compete.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Dec. 6, 2018 5:22 p.m.

    Hey Rock- "This is an uninformed statement."

    No, my comment is a logical belief. Follow the timeline. I don't believe BYU'S version of events. Nick was interviewed a couple of weeks before that season started. He was upbeat and looking forward to it. Surprisingly, 2 days before the first game he bows out. I believe it's BYU that asked Nick to take a year off, because in November of 2017, they knew what the possible ramifications were for letting him play were.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2018 3:48 p.m.

    london_josh - Lincoln, CA
    Dec. 6, 2018 2:41 p.m.
    "The difference, Utah didn't have to vacate 47 games, lose a scholarship."

    The difference is that Utah is denying it and fighting it.

    47 games and loss of a scholarship for $200, Kuzma got paid $9,500.

    ------------

    Wrong, total value of "gifts" were for over $12,000.

    The amount of cash wasn't why BYU got penalized. It was the fact that BYU created a environment where a booster could leave $200 in a players locker.

    What-about-ism doesn't change the fact that Emery cheated and got 9 games and he's back with open arms. BYU never penalized him for cheating, the NCAA did.

    Are you claiming Utah allowed an agent to leave $9,500 in Kuzma's locker? You have proof that Utah did anything wrong?

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Dec. 6, 2018 3:28 p.m.

    Hey London Josh, Kuzma allegedly received money from a sports agency, not a University booster like was the case with Emery. Big difference.

    And do you really believe all Nick recieved was $200? Read up on the facts.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    Dec. 6, 2018 3:24 p.m.

    @THEREALND - Mishawaka, IN

    "... BYU knew that there was a good chance that they might have to vacate the wins of 2 seasons for games he played in while being ineligible because of NCAA violations. "

    This is an uninformed statement.

    No team has had to vacate any wins in similar circumstances for more than 20 years. Vacating 47 victories indicates that the NCAA did not believe that BYU knew nothing about this.

    I believe BYU.

    In 2011 BYU was ranked #3 in the country, had a 27-2 record and suspended a player for violating the honor code. The NCAA was not involved. It almost certainly cost the team a trip to the final four, if the the championship. It was Jimmers final year.

    A school that would do that does not have a "win at any cost" mentality that would accompany a decision to look the other way when it comes to NCAA rules.

    The NCAA should be embarrassed.

    Welcome back Nick. Let the bombs fly from Jimmer land.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Dec. 6, 2018 2:41 p.m.

    "The difference, Utah didn't have to vacate 47 games, lose a scholarship."

    The difference is that Utah is denying it and fighting it.

    47 games and loss of a scholarship for $200, Kuzma got paid $9,500.

    I think the NCAA was foolish slamming BYU when BYU admitted to the issue, but I'm not sure that those up north living in a glass house should be throwing rocks.

  • pacmidmajor Springville, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 2:40 p.m.

    deter, i think you are mistaking the Y with the school up north...aka.. "last chance university "......

  • DETERMINISM UTAH, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 1:45 p.m.

    BYU shot 20% better than they have in any game this season in the first half. In the second half Utah state outscored BYU. I don't think Nick should wear the jersey and represent my alma mater and church but I don't make those decisions. As was mentioned, i'm tired of the over glorification of Emery's redemptive story. What I did like was Emery's role in last nights game. Shot a high percentage, played good defense and distributed the ball. My concern is that he will be placed in the starting line up, revert to old selfish play and cost the cougars as much as he helps them. At the end of the season when BYU finishes 3rd or 4th in the WCC and qualifies for the NIT, I wont be saying I told you so because of Nicks bad games over the season. My opinion of the situation never has and never will be based on Emery's performance on the court. He had proved to me he can play basketball at a high level long before he broke NCAA rules. My new motto is, BYU isn't an institution of higher standards, BYU is an institution of second chances!

  • vasislos Holbrook, AZ
    Dec. 6, 2018 1:05 p.m.

    Sometimes there are good stories that give me faith. Emery could have transferred but chose to return to BYU with the real chance that he would be booed when he got on the floor. He came back to face head-on the consequence of his actions. He is good enough to play for many programs none of which would give a hoot about his infractions. He, BTW, is not the first in NCAA history to be beguiled by the attentions of over zealous fans who are willing to use their checkbook to buy some reflected glory.

    More important to me, though, is the fact that Coach Rose did not bail on him but was willing to help him get through the process of redemption and overcoming the problems that Emery brought on himself. If the loss of wins stands, Coach Rose is the one who will be most affected in his legacy. I think that for Coach, weighing wins against the life of one player means he will choose the player every time.

    Also the players who have stayed loyal to Emery and welcomed him back with open arms. In the post-game interview, the pure joy expressed by Childs when commenting on Emery's play during the game says a lot about the character of this team.
    r

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 12:53 p.m.

    @Jello is good, Nick is not on scholarship, so it is his scholarship that was pulled. And yet he was willing to come back.

    Sometimes star athletes like Nick Emery get vilified when they make mistakes and overly praised when they make changes in their lives. I guess that's a part of the position he's in. I don't think we need to overly glorify him. Hopefully he's made the changes in his personal life that he needed to and hopefully he continues to progress as a person. I also don't think he needs to be crucified for his mistakes. He made them and the silly, inconsistent, unfair punishment handed down by the NCAA is done. Nick can't change that now whether he's on the team or not. I'd however, love him to continue to channel his inner Jackson Emery while playing defense like he did last night.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2018 12:13 p.m.

    @Malhani

    The hypocrisy of some of the utah fans on here, uteology, ekute, is embarrassing. Utah has also had some nice stories of redemption such as Carrington and their new linebacker that is transferring from Penn State.

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    The difference, Utah didn't have to vacate 47 games, lose a scholarship.

    This isn't about redemption, like Taki Taki, it's about cheating.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 12:09 p.m.

    Jello is good...

    “What I don't care for is his selfish behavior which has smeared BYU's good name and jeopardized it's basketball program. He knew what he was doing was wrong and may hurt his teammates and the university, yet he did it anyway. Selfish!”

    Yes, but Nick has apologized and paid the price for his poor decisions. It’s time to forgive and move on.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Dec. 6, 2018 10:59 a.m.

    @Rikitikitavi - Cardston, Alberta
    Dec. 5, 2018 11:15 p.m.

    "Nick Emery gave BYU hoops the monster shot in the arm!! So many are eating crow tonight!!"

    I am a huge BYU fan, but still have a big problem with part of your comment. I, like most people, never doubted Emery's abilities and that he would produce. I like his play a whole lot more than Haws.

    What I don't care for is his selfish behavior which has smeared BYU's good name and jeopardized it's basketball program. He knew what he was doing was wrong and may hurt his teammates and the university, yet he did it anyway. Selfish!

    No matter how many points he scores or how well BYU plays, that will never change. As much as I would like to see BYU win, since his actions caused BYU to lose a scholarship for a year, it should be his scholarship. Pay to play Nick, not the other way around.

    I can forgive him, but I cannot take away consequences of bad behavior.

    That does NOT make me eat crow.

  • byutrue Atascocita, TX
    Dec. 6, 2018 10:32 a.m.

    So happy for Nick and the entire Coug team!

  • pacmidmajor Springville, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 10:13 a.m.

    great points Mali...not to mention the ongoing investigation involving kuzma ...

  • Wanda B. Rich Provo, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 9:26 a.m.

    Excellent points, Malihini. Nick messed up. We all do. We all deserve second chances. I'm sure nobody is pained over the vacated wins for Coach Rose and the university more than Nick. It is surely a motivating factor for him to play well and represent the school well. If the NCAA has any sense of propriety, it will reduce the number of vacated wins substantially. It penalizes Coach Rose, who had nothing to do with this.

    We should also all acknowledge that none of us outside the program and the university administration really know all the facts. Most of us are going on hearsay or sketchy information. Judging either Nick or the university based on incomplete information is simply unwise.

  • Cougar Cindy Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 8:58 a.m.

    So great!!
    Go Nick!
    Go Cougars!

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 8:48 a.m.

    Congratulations to the team and it was great to see Nick back on the court smiling and doing his thing. Good for him. This is a great story of redemption and a story of a kid who had some troubles, faced them, made some mistakes, corrected them, and is now working his way back. What is wrong with that? Isn't that basically what all of us do at some point or another?

    The hypocrisy of some of the utah fans on here, uteology, ekute, is embarrassing. Utah has also had some nice stories of redemption such as Carrington and their new linebacker that is transferring from Penn State. I say good for them for correcting mistakes and continuing to work hard. Let's cheer them on and enjoy their success....again, don't we all go through similar paths in life?

    Go Emery..keep it going and go Cougars!

  • DaveAbernathy Logan, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 8:30 a.m.

    College basketball is supposed to be a team sport. Emery makes it not so - it's all about his fight with the NCAA. Pathetic.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Dec. 6, 2018 8:14 a.m.

    "Emery's absence from the team was initially due to some personal issues which saw him withdraw from school before the NCAA mandated a nine-game suspension to start this season due to him accepting improper benefits."

    He withdrew from the team just days before the start of the season. BYU knew that there was a good chance that they might have to vacate the wins of 2 seasons for games he played in while being ineligible because of NCAA violations. Letting him play would have made it three years of wins vacated.

  • FactBasedDataDriven Alpine, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 8:08 a.m.

    Nick has been a great friend to our special needs son since elementary school.

    Our son still tells people to this day he beat Nick one on one in hoops. Nick’s kindness and friendship will always be appreciated by our family.

  • BYU Gamer Pleasant Grove, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 8:08 a.m.

    Emery provided the punch the Cougars needed right out of the gate. Welcome back!

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 6:45 a.m.

    It was great to see Nick back on the court.

  • Yes_I_Am South Jordan, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 5:34 a.m.

    Welcome back, Nick. The team needs your leadership and your shooting.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Dec. 6, 2018 4:57 a.m.

    It will take 41 more wins to get the coach and team win totals back to where they were before they were forced to vacate 47 wins, and 23 more months of probation. Welcome back!!!!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2018 12:24 a.m.

    Emery "made it rain".

    Congrats Emery, your first win in 3 years.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    Dec. 5, 2018 11:15 p.m.

    Nick Emery gave BYU hoops the monster shot in the arm!! So many are eating crow tonight!!

    You could just see it on the faces of team-mates. Cougs were pumped!!