Some Emery thoughts from down south -Does the team need another
reliable scorer? YesCan Emery help on defense? YesShould the team
& coaches have stood by him as he went through the tough personal stuff
he's been dealing with? Hard to say. You want to stand by your teammates,
your pupils, when they go through hard times, for sure. But he's brought
down the wrath of the the NCAA with his conduct over the last 2 - 3 years. Now
BYU mens hoops has to pay heavily.Did Nick know what he was doing
was wrong? If not yes, he certainly should've known. He went to my old
mission (Frankfurt Germany). He ought to know right from wrong. No excuses on
the money / booster stuff here.Can he / should he / be forgiven by
us fans? Of course - if he agrees to mend his ways - and then carries
through.Should he still be with this team after the damage he's
done with his conduct? That's up to Rose, his assistants, Holmoe & his
staffers, of course. I personally lean towards kicking him off - but I
don't have all the facts at hand.Are the NCAA sanctions too
severe on BYU hoops? Seems like it. They self reported. But they've
gotta keep boosters out of the locker rooms, to be sure.
Many comments and some misunderstanding with some things I said.BYU
had to vacate one scholarship starting next year. Emery is STILL under
scholarship. One could now say he is actually costing BYU two scholarship
spots.Forgivness as part of repentance does NOT mean you don't
face consequences. Emery was selfish. He hurt many people, not just himself.
People say he has paid a price by sitting out a year and the first 10 games.
But the institution and those associated with the team and its fans are STILL
paying the price.I know of several people, my son included, who
violated the honor code. In each occasion they felt sorry for their actions and
repented. On each occasion they were told that there were consequences to their
actions and were not admitted back to BYU. I am fine with that because it was
their commitment going in. I am not ok with the honor code being arbitrarily or
unfairly followed.If BYU is not as competitive if they hold athletes
to the same admission requirements and honor code as other students, I'm
ok. That is who WE are. What Emery did is a black eye, an embarrassment.I forgive him, but would like to have seen him gone.
Good comments. Someone would be hard pressed to find a comment board that is as
civil and point based as this one.
If what Kaysvillecougar says is true, I have no problem with Emory being
accepted back on the team. I probably wouldn’t have let him back on the
team, but I am a grumpy old man. I believe in redemption, but I also
believe in accepting consequences for bad decisions. If indeed Emory lost HIS
scholarship for the NCAA infraction, and he wants to pay and play, more power to
him. I would keep him on a short leash, but I would start him. The 2
starting guards—Seljas and Cannon—combined for 3 points, 2 assists,
and 2 turnovers. Why are they starting? This makes no sense to me.
THEREALND“The only difference is ND's issue was academic
benefits, and BYU'S was financial benefits. Both were penalized by vacating
2 seasons of wins.”Actually, there’s a HUGE
difference.BYU’s issue involved ONE student and some
boosters.Notre Dame’s issues involved multiple players and a
Correction- Both Universities claim that they did NOT know of the violations
when they actually occurred.
"ND and the Y do not have the same issues."Ultimately, yes
they do have the same issue. ND's issues were academic which they self
reported. Byu's were financial which they self reported to the NCAA.
Both Universities claim that they did know of the violations when they actually
occurred. The only difference is ND's issue was academic benefits, and
BYU'S was financial benefits. Both were penalized by vacating 2 seasons
of wins.My information is 100% accurate.
@determinism"...My new motto is, BYU isn't an institution
of higher standards, BYU is an institution of second chances!*****The truth is that it's both and if you don't
believe that then you should probably drop the charade of being a BYU fan and
don your red clothing (your true colors) which is a better indication of the
school and team that you actually support.
Re: TherealndYour information in not accurate.The NCAA
placed Notre Dame's football team on one-year probation after a
student-trainer committed academic misconduct, according to a statement from the
NCAA. During the 2012 and 2013 seasons, the trainer completed
coursework for two football players and gave "impermissible academic
assistance" to six other players, according to the NCAA. A number of those
players also committed academic misconduct individually by playing while
ineligible. As a result, the team is forced to vacate its wins from
the 2012 and 2013 seasons. ND and the Y do not have the same issues.
What a difference playing defense makes! Our D looked MUCH better than the past
few games. Yes, Nick Emery contributed and did great and it was great to have
him back. He's plays good defense and maybe he helped inspire his teammates
to do the same. There were still some defensive breakdowns at times but overall
a much better effort. Now keep it going and make it even better!
Good to have Nick back on the hardwood. We love you, support you and wish you
the very best. Continuing your education at the Y and getting your degree is a
great accomplishment. Rise and Shout, young man, Rise and Shout.
"No team has had to vacate any wins in similar circumstances for more than
20 years."The NCAA forced Notre Dame to vacate two seasons of
football wins (21 games) because of NCAA violations committed that the
University was not aware of. That was for the 2012 & 2013 seasons and they
lost their appeal this year. 2 seasons seems to be the standard for vacating
wins when ineligible players are allowed to compete.
Hey Rock- "This is an uninformed statement."No, my comment
is a logical belief. Follow the timeline. I don't believe BYU'S
version of events. Nick was interviewed a couple of weeks before that season
started. He was upbeat and looking forward to it. Surprisingly, 2 days before
the first game he bows out. I believe it's BYU that asked Nick to take a
year off, because in November of 2017, they knew what the possible ramifications
were for letting him play were.
london_josh - Lincoln, CADec. 6, 2018 2:41 p.m."The difference,
Utah didn't have to vacate 47 games, lose a scholarship."The difference is that Utah is denying it and fighting it.47 games
and loss of a scholarship for $200, Kuzma got paid $9,500.------------Wrong, total value of "gifts" were for over
$12,000.The amount of cash wasn't why BYU got penalized. It was
the fact that BYU created a environment where a booster could leave $200 in a
players locker.What-about-ism doesn't change the fact that
Emery cheated and got 9 games and he's back with open arms. BYU never
penalized him for cheating, the NCAA did.Are you claiming Utah
allowed an agent to leave $9,500 in Kuzma's locker? You have proof that
Utah did anything wrong?
Hey London Josh, Kuzma allegedly received money from a sports agency, not a
University booster like was the case with Emery. Big difference. And do you really believe all Nick recieved was $200? Read up on the facts.
@THEREALND - Mishawaka, IN"... BYU knew that there was a good
chance that they might have to vacate the wins of 2 seasons for games he played
in while being ineligible because of NCAA violations. "This is
an uninformed statement.No team has had to vacate any wins in
similar circumstances for more than 20 years. Vacating 47 victories indicates
that the NCAA did not believe that BYU knew nothing about this.I
believe BYU.In 2011 BYU was ranked #3 in the country, had a 27-2
record and suspended a player for violating the honor code. The NCAA was not
involved. It almost certainly cost the team a trip to the final four, if the the
championship. It was Jimmers final year.A school that would do that
does not have a "win at any cost" mentality that would accompany a
decision to look the other way when it comes to NCAA rules.The NCAA
should be embarrassed.Welcome back Nick. Let the bombs fly from
"The difference, Utah didn't have to vacate 47 games, lose a
scholarship."The difference is that Utah is denying it and
fighting it.47 games and loss of a scholarship for $200, Kuzma got
paid $9,500.I think the NCAA was foolish slamming BYU when BYU
admitted to the issue, but I'm not sure that those up north living in a
glass house should be throwing rocks.
deter, i think you are mistaking the Y with the school up north...aka..
"last chance university "......
BYU shot 20% better than they have in any game this season in the first half.
In the second half Utah state outscored BYU. I don't think Nick should wear
the jersey and represent my alma mater and church but I don't make those
decisions. As was mentioned, i'm tired of the over glorification of
Emery's redemptive story. What I did like was Emery's role in last
nights game. Shot a high percentage, played good defense and distributed the
ball. My concern is that he will be placed in the starting line up, revert to
old selfish play and cost the cougars as much as he helps them. At the end of
the season when BYU finishes 3rd or 4th in the WCC and qualifies for the NIT, I
wont be saying I told you so because of Nicks bad games over the season. My
opinion of the situation never has and never will be based on Emery's
performance on the court. He had proved to me he can play basketball at a high
level long before he broke NCAA rules. My new motto is, BYU isn't an
institution of higher standards, BYU is an institution of second chances!
Sometimes there are good stories that give me faith. Emery could have
transferred but chose to return to BYU with the real chance that he would be
booed when he got on the floor. He came back to face head-on the consequence of
his actions. He is good enough to play for many programs none of which would
give a hoot about his infractions. He, BTW, is not the first in NCAA history to
be beguiled by the attentions of over zealous fans who are willing to use their
checkbook to buy some reflected glory.More important to me, though,
is the fact that Coach Rose did not bail on him but was willing to help him get
through the process of redemption and overcoming the problems that Emery brought
on himself. If the loss of wins stands, Coach Rose is the one who will be most
affected in his legacy. I think that for Coach, weighing wins against the life
of one player means he will choose the player every time.Also the
players who have stayed loyal to Emery and welcomed him back with open arms. In
the post-game interview, the pure joy expressed by Childs when commenting on
Emery's play during the game says a lot about the character of this
@Jello is good, Nick is not on scholarship, so it is his scholarship that was
pulled. And yet he was willing to come back. Sometimes star athletes
like Nick Emery get vilified when they make mistakes and overly praised when
they make changes in their lives. I guess that's a part of the position
he's in. I don't think we need to overly glorify him. Hopefully
he's made the changes in his personal life that he needed to and hopefully
he continues to progress as a person. I also don't think he needs to be
crucified for his mistakes. He made them and the silly, inconsistent, unfair
punishment handed down by the NCAA is done. Nick can't change that now
whether he's on the team or not. I'd however, love him to continue to
channel his inner Jackson Emery while playing defense like he did last night.
@MalhaniThe hypocrisy of some of the utah fans on here, uteology,
ekute, is embarrassing. Utah has also had some nice stories of redemption such
as Carrington and their new linebacker that is transferring from Penn State. -----The difference, Utah didn't have to vacate 47
games, lose a scholarship.This isn't about redemption, like
Taki Taki, it's about cheating.
Jello is good...“What I don't care for is his selfish
behavior which has smeared BYU's good name and jeopardized it's
basketball program. He knew what he was doing was wrong and may hurt his
teammates and the university, yet he did it anyway. Selfish!”Yes, but Nick has apologized and paid the price for his poor decisions.
It’s time to forgive and move on.
@Rikitikitavi - Cardston, AlbertaDec. 5, 2018 11:15 p.m."Nick Emery gave BYU hoops the monster shot in the arm!! So many are
eating crow tonight!!"I am a huge BYU fan, but still have a big
problem with part of your comment. I, like most people, never doubted
Emery's abilities and that he would produce. I like his play a whole lot
more than Haws.What I don't care for is his selfish behavior
which has smeared BYU's good name and jeopardized it's basketball
program. He knew what he was doing was wrong and may hurt his teammates and the
university, yet he did it anyway. Selfish!No matter how many points
he scores or how well BYU plays, that will never change. As much as I would
like to see BYU win, since his actions caused BYU to lose a scholarship for a
year, it should be his scholarship. Pay to play Nick, not the other way
around.I can forgive him, but I cannot take away consequences of bad
behavior.That does NOT make me eat crow.
So happy for Nick and the entire Coug team!
great points Mali...not to mention the ongoing investigation involving kuzma ...
Excellent points, Malihini. Nick messed up. We all do. We all deserve second
chances. I'm sure nobody is pained over the vacated wins for Coach Rose and
the university more than Nick. It is surely a motivating factor for him to play
well and represent the school well. If the NCAA has any sense of propriety, it
will reduce the number of vacated wins substantially. It penalizes Coach Rose,
who had nothing to do with this. We should also all acknowledge that
none of us outside the program and the university administration really know all
the facts. Most of us are going on hearsay or sketchy information. Judging
either Nick or the university based on incomplete information is simply unwise.
So great!!Go Nick!Go Cougars!
Congratulations to the team and it was great to see Nick back on the court
smiling and doing his thing. Good for him. This is a great story of redemption
and a story of a kid who had some troubles, faced them, made some mistakes,
corrected them, and is now working his way back. What is wrong with that?
Isn't that basically what all of us do at some point or another?The hypocrisy of some of the utah fans on here, uteology, ekute, is
embarrassing. Utah has also had some nice stories of redemption such as
Carrington and their new linebacker that is transferring from Penn State. I
say good for them for correcting mistakes and continuing to work hard.
Let's cheer them on and enjoy their success....again, don't we all go
through similar paths in life?Go Emery..keep it going and go
College basketball is supposed to be a team sport. Emery makes it not so -
it's all about his fight with the NCAA. Pathetic.
"Emery's absence from the team was initially due to some personal
issues which saw him withdraw from school before the NCAA mandated a nine-game
suspension to start this season due to him accepting improper benefits."He withdrew from the team just days before the start of the season.
BYU knew that there was a good chance that they might have to vacate the wins of
2 seasons for games he played in while being ineligible because of NCAA
violations. Letting him play would have made it three years of wins vacated.
Nick has been a great friend to our special needs son since elementary
school.Our son still tells people to this day he beat Nick one on
one in hoops. Nick’s kindness and friendship will always be appreciated by
Emery provided the punch the Cougars needed right out of the gate. Welcome
It was great to see Nick back on the court.
Welcome back, Nick. The team needs your leadership and your shooting.
It will take 41 more wins to get the coach and team win totals back to where
they were before they were forced to vacate 47 wins, and 23 more months of
probation. Welcome back!!!!
Emery "made it rain".Congrats Emery, your first win in 3
Nick Emery gave BYU hoops the monster shot in the arm!! So many are eating crow
tonight!!You could just see it on the faces of team-mates. Cougs