Morning links: BYU's Kalani Sitake off the hot seat; Potato Bowl rankings and previews

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  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Dec. 8, 2018 1:33 a.m.

    "BYU needs a major overhaul in our Revenue Sports Programs and as long as the status quo is accepted don't look for any improvements."

    Revenues are up since Independence.

    Way up from what the MWC had.

    Also, while the Utes come in and jeer us about who we aren't, we're not having games live streamed on facebook and our ugly prize of a bowl game is close to equal to the grand prize as a MWC team.

    It's not so bad!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 7, 2018 10:51 p.m.

    "Off the hot seat"... Hmmm. We beat UMass, McNeese State, Hawaii and NMS to barely qualify for a Bowl game in Idaho and it is determined that Sitake is "off the hot seat"... Please.

    If that is true then it would be more accurate to say that Sitake is off the hot seat as long as Holmoe is the AD... And Holmoe will not be replaced as the AD (which is badly needed if we are to ever see a resurgence of a quality Revenue Sports Programs again at BYU, meaning Mens FB and BB) as long as the BOTs and the Administration continue to pay little to no attention to the fact that these programs and attendance continue to circle the drain under Holmoe's watch.

    BYU needs a major overhaul in our Revenue Sports Programs and as long as the status quo is accepted don't look for any improvements.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Dec. 7, 2018 10:36 p.m.

    @johnslc

    "...The game was in the middle of a storm and drew 20,507. A few years before, Washington and So. Miss drew 20,229. "

    *************

    Snow storm in Dallas? I lived there for 20 years and don't remember any snow storms.

    And there is no way that there was 20,500 people there... Local companies may have bought advertising for it in advance and received tickets that they didn't use, but there was not 20,000 people there.

    And, comparing the game to the Washington vs Southern Miss game is far different than the utah vs WVU game ... utah is from the big bad pac 12 conference (which is inappropriately labeled a P5 Conference) and UWV is from the Big 12 (which is also a P5 conference)... And ironically Washington is also from the pac12 Conference while Southern Miss is from Conference USA which is considered a lowly G5 Conference.

    Who would have thought that a game between 2 P5 teams would be so poorly attended... but then, who wants to go to Texas and watch utah play?

  • Mack2828 Kenton Vale, KY
    Dec. 7, 2018 5:32 p.m.

    I guess that expectations at the once proud BYU-P have fallen so far that a 6-6 season and a birth in the potato bowl is enough to get the coach off the "hot seat". Sad.

  • wahului Stockton, CA
    Dec. 7, 2018 4:53 p.m.

    Let's not forget that the first wave of "Kalani's recruits" are due to start arriving home this coming season...or that Detmer had a lot to do with recruiting them...possibly a fortuitous circumstance.
    As far as I'm concerned, boot Kalani and hire Ty as HC. Within a few years, Ty would have a self perpetuating football program humming along the way we all know it could, without a stable of beginners and amateurs trying to learn their jobs all at the same time. Had he been let alone to complete what he started, we'd be looking at a much more complete and branded product with players recruited to it coming on in 2019. The most valuable football asset BYU has in it's association is this man, and it's tragic and wrong not to have him on staff or better yet, in charge.

  • JustGordon Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 7, 2018 4:27 p.m.

    The mere speculation that Sitake might be pursued by USU is delicious! It's not an indication of how far the USU program has grown but rather how far the football program in Provo has fallen!

    USU is Utah's version of Washington State...Logan is Utah's version of the Palouse...situated neatly between lost and nowhere...closer to the Idaho border than any other town in Utah.

    USU is at best a slightly above average mid major program. Yes, this year was their best, but even at their best, they couldn't beat a BSU that was not among that school's best.

    If it had not been for ESPN, most likely our little blue brothers would not be bowling...given the mantra that any bowl is better than no bowl...when going to Boise and battling for a large mound of famous potatoes defines success in your program, there's an urgent need to step back and ask yourself hard questions. The $19.253 million they spent on football had a low ROI. In contrast, Utah spent $24.483 million on football with a total athletic budget of over $70 million vs $62.6 for our little blue brothers.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 7, 2018 4:05 p.m.

    “the lowest attendance ever in a college bowl game that the utes and west virginia recorded in the history books last year !”

    INDYmidmajor:

    Hahaha! How long is the DNews going to let you repeat that lie?

    The game was in the middle of a storm and drew 20,507. A few years before, Washington and So. Miss drew 20,229.

    A BYU-P fan talking false bowl attendance smack is beyond hilarious, as the coogs drew 20,761 at the inaugural 2014 Miami Beach Brawl, when the weather was decent. (Where were all the traveling coog fans?) The game did not long survive that low bar, as two years later Tulsa and Central Michigan drew 15,262 and the bowl folded. That makes two bowls the coogs have helped put out of business just this decade.

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Dec. 7, 2018 2:57 p.m.

    I love how the blue faithful wear the "P5 Equivalent" moniker as some sort of a badge of honor.
    It's a made up classification so P5 conferences can get credit for playing a G5 opponent, but they don't have to count it as such in their scheduling. 😹

  • Suttree Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 7, 2018 2:42 p.m.

    Yeah. Boise in December. Wonderful. The Potato bowl. Great. Exciting opponent. Navy Mormon/Saint doesn't want to come coach to Provo as it is a requirement, think his job was secure anyway.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 7, 2018 1:45 p.m.

    london_josh:

    "Isn't it ironic that these obsessed Utah fans are discussing whether or not people will watch BYU's bowl game?...This obsession certainly boosts the numbers!"

    What a frantic and emotional thing to say. In what way does folks talking about how pathetic your television viewership numbers for the Potato Bowl will be boost your viewership numbers?

    "I'm not actually too concerned whether or not the TV in the room beside me is tuning into the game..."

    Oh yes you are. If you weren't concerned about the pending bush-league viewership for your bowl game, you wouldn't have made an issue about it. You care. In fact, you care a LOT! And I'll bet that it's primarily because you care what Ute fans think of you. Too bad for you.....we don't think much of you. We think you're WACish and midmajory. So go get some Kleenex, and wipe your tears, then get over it.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 7, 2018 1:31 p.m.

    65PowderPuffBowl:

    "And even fewer watched that cure-for-insomnia game called the Pac-12 CCG. So what does that say about Utah? Hilarious."

    What a frantic and emotional thing to say. Per the Nielsen Ratings, the BSU-USU game drew fewer than 1.1 million viewers, whereas the Pac-12 Championship game drew nearly 4.1 million. That's nearly 277% MORE viewers than who'd watched the Broncos vs. the Aggies. So what does that say about your level of education? I remember mendenmidmajor talking about that once before. Hilarious!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 7, 2018 1:14 p.m.

    65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, ID
    Dec. 7, 2018 9:22 a.m.
    "The Utah State-Boise game had almost twice the television viewers as the BYU-Utah game. "

    And even fewer watched that cure-for-insomnia game called the Pac-12 CCG. So what does that say about Utah? Hilarious.

    -------

    Wrong!

    The P12 CCG had 3M more viewers.

    *USU vs Boise: 1.1M
    * P12 CCG 4.1M

    ACC CCG 4.2M
    So what does that say about Clemson?

    Hilarious!

  • SameJersey Kaysville, UT
    Dec. 7, 2018 12:01 p.m.

    He is off the "hotseat" in the Deseret News only because they found out he is in the running for the USU job.

    Don't give up, Sitake, an independent BYU is a sinking ship. You know it and so does everyone who isn't drinking the Koolaid of independent Cougar Nation.

    You are not going to be able to recruit well enough as an independent to pull off winning seasons over the next two years. And then, whose side do you think they will take? Yours?

    Don't kid yourself, the powers that be and the majority of delusional BYU fans still think that independence is a GOOD thing. It is not a matter of "if", it is a matter of "when" you have another losing season -- they WILL fire you instead of Holmoe.

    At this point, BYU independence is a sacred cow. Forget the fact it makes it impossible for the Cougars to compete long-term. Better to leave now while your reputation is still in-tact.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Dec. 7, 2018 10:12 a.m.

    Isn't it ironic that these obsessed Utah fans are discussing whether or not people will watch BYU's bowl game?

    This obsession certainly boosts the numbers!

    It's an odd argument to pay such close attention to something you claim won't get any attention.

    For me, it's a good matched game, I hate that ugly blue turf, but if it's a good game then that's great. I'll enjoy it. I'm not actually too concerned whether or not the TV in the room beside me is tuning into the game - what does that matter to me?

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Dec. 7, 2018 10:00 a.m.

    "BYU's Kalani Sitake off the hot seat; Potato Bowl rankings and previews"

    So, maybe it should be called the "Hot Potato Bowl".

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 7, 2018 9:22 a.m.

    "The Utah State-Boise game had almost twice the television viewers as the BYU-Utah game. "

    And even fewer watched that cure-for-insomnia game called the Pac-12 CCG. So what does that say about Utah? Hilarious.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 7, 2018 9:12 a.m.

    CougarFever "Boise State - Win (BSU loses Rypien + other key players and we stole Wilson from them). "
    Interesting. You have Wilson making it to game 7 despite his reckless running style. What is the last BYU quarterback to start every game in a season?

  • pacmidmajor Springville, UT
    Dec. 7, 2018 9:06 a.m.

    Pretty certain that there will be more in attendance than at the utes bowl game last year .... The Cougs certainly do not want to take away the dubious honor of the lowest attendance ever in a college bowl game that the utes and west virginia recorded in the history books last year !

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    Dec. 7, 2018 8:12 a.m.

    I for one am glad he is off the hot seat several more straight wins for Utah.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Dec. 6, 2018 11:22 p.m.

    Some.Midmajor.Forever:

    "Will a lot of people watch it? Idk."

    I DO! They won't! They'll watch the Holiday Bowl, but not the Potato.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Dec. 6, 2018 9:14 p.m.

    Cougar forever - I love your optimism!

    BYU has a bear of a schedule next year.

    If BYU wins 10 games, then I think the SEC offers us an invite.

    Hey, let's dream! Would be nice.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2018 9:14 p.m.

    CougarForever - Holladay, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2018 7:03 p.m.
    Sitake's position is secure. For the short-term at least, he is the best HC option for us.

    Next year's schedule is not as daunting as it would have appeared several years ago:

    Utah - Win (but close); Wilson pulls it out this time with Utah missing key players from this year and having poor QB play.
    At Tennessee - Win; normally one would predict a loss against a pedigreed SEC team on the road but Tennessee is a mess (only Arkansas is a worse SEC team) and next year doesn't look promising (lost coordinator and asst coaches, players leaving, prospects de-committing, etc).
    USC - Wildcard; eventually the Trojans will be dangerous next year but this will be only their 3rd game with a new OC.
    WASHINGTON - Loss (despite losing Browning and Gaskin they will be potent).
    .....

    2019 Record: 10-2 or maybe 9-3 (but then the Hawaii Bowl).

    -------

    Not even in your dreams.

    * P5: 0-4 or 1-3 at best

    * USU, Toledo, Boise, USF, SDSU: 2-3 or 3-2

    5-7 or 7-5 at best

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 6, 2018 8:14 p.m.

    “Utah - Win (but close); Wilson pulls it out this time with Utah missing key players from this year and having poor QB play.”

    Bwhahahaha

    Then you wake up.

    Your assessment skills/fantasy world are astonishing.

    What we have, including our superior depth/QB play, blows byu’s away, across-the-board, most recently to the tune of 35-7 in 1 half, after we decided to take byu seriously.

    Besides, our Coach KW stated we’d never lose to byu ever again w/him @ the helm—8 straight & counting.

    Carry on.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 6, 2018 8:03 p.m.

    “Sitake’s recruits are Freshmen and Sophomores.”

    FYI—byu’s last recruiting class ranked #94 nationally & his previous one ranked in the same ballpark.....He’s unequivocally killing it on the recruiting trail.

    Carry on.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 6, 2018 7:56 p.m.

    “In 2016, BYU was 9-4, but only 8 points shy of a 13-0 season.“

    byu was equally 8 pts away from going 5-7, but this fact obviously doesn’t fit into your narrative.

    Carry on.

    Go Utes!

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2018 7:05 p.m.

    Just to pile on regarding our low bowl game ranking -- YahooSports ranks our bowl at 39 out of 39.

    But, it's still a bowl game, right?!

  • CougarForever Holladay, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2018 7:03 p.m.

    Sitake's position is secure. For the short-term at least, he is the best HC option for us.

    Next year's schedule is not as daunting as it would have appeared several years ago:

    Utah - Win (but close); Wilson pulls it out this time with Utah missing key players from this year and having poor QB play.
    At Tennessee - Win; normally one would predict a loss against a pedigreed SEC team on the road but Tennessee is a mess (only Arkansas is a worse SEC team) and next year doesn't look promising (lost coordinator and asst coaches, players leaving, prospects de-committing, etc).
    USC - Wildcard; eventually the Trojans will be dangerous next year but this will be only their 3rd game with a new OC.
    WASHINGTON - Loss (despite losing Browning and Gaskin they will be potent).
    At Toledo - Win; the Rockets are cooling off.
    At USF - Win; Bulls in decline.
    Boise State - Win (BSU loses Rypien + other key players and we stole Wilson from them).
    At USU - Toss-up (regardless of HC).
    Liberty - Win.
    Idaho State - Win.
    At UMass - Win.
    At San Diego State - Win, SDSU crashed during the last three games of this season (even losing to lowly UNLV).

    2019 Record: 10-2 or maybe 9-3 (but then the Hawaii Bowl).

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 7:02 p.m.

    BYUtah Fan - Herriman, UT "The only reason that BYU was invited to any bowl game is because the team is certain to draw fans to the stadium and to the the TV."
    Ah, that old tired urban legend.

    The Utah State-Boise game had almost twice the television viewers as the BYU-Utah game. Boise State was originally supposed to be in the Potato Bowl, but ESPN swapped them and BYU from the First Responders Bowl. Why? Because ESPN knows (actual numbers) that BYU doesn't travel and doesn't bring the viewers anymore. They know that Boise State will.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 5:36 p.m.

    truenorth3 - Draper, UT
    “9-4 (*with Bronco's team, players)”

    Yes, and 2017 was with the empty cupboard Bronco left behind.

    Sitake’s recruits are Freshmen and Sophomores.

    With time for missions included, the full picture of Sitake’s recruiting and coaching won’t be seen for a couple more seasons.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    Dec. 6, 2018 4:25 p.m.

    @marked it down

    "In 2016, BYU was 9-4, but only 8 points shy of a 13-0 season.

    In other words, ONE play in each of 4 games, could have resulted in a season that was MUCH better than a 10-win season."

    Similarly, in 2016, BYU was 9-4, but only 8 points on the right side of a 3-10 season.

    In other words, ONE play in each of 4 games, could have resulted in a season that was MUCH worse than a 6-win season.

    It cuts both ways.

  • truenorth3 Draper, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 3:44 p.m.

    9-4 (*with Bronco's team, players), 4-9, 6-6..still on the hot seat in my view. #demuycaliente #cleanhouse

  • 96 U Flower Mound, TX
    Dec. 6, 2018 3:38 p.m.

    It is good to have hope. Almost wins are called losses.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 3:32 p.m.

    96 U - Flower Mound, TX

    “Given program specific limitations that are at least half self imposed and half dictated by not being a P5 member, Vince Lombardi couldn't get 10 win seasons at BYU today”

    Despite the gloom and doom constantly claimed by the haters and naysayers, there’s absolutely no evidence to prove you farcical claim.

    In 2016, BYU was 9-4, but only 8 points shy of a 13-0 season.

    In other words, ONE play in each of 4 games, could have resulted in a season that was MUCH better than a 10-win season.

  • 96 U Flower Mound, TX
    Dec. 6, 2018 3:11 p.m.

    Given program specific limitations that are at least half self imposed and half dictated by not being a P5 member, Vince Lombardi couldn't get 10 win seasons at BYU today (in an alternate reality where that was an option). The "forward pass" is not so unique anymore in the college game to make up for glaring shortfalls almost across the board. Welcome to long term mediocrity at best.

  • Klaus2012 Rexburg, ID
    Dec. 6, 2018 3:09 p.m.

    When the Vandals took the Potato Bowl us here in Idaho were quite pleased.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 6, 2018 2:23 p.m.

    Re: BlueCoug

    "Fake Cougalum" You nailed it - that imposter was not very clever.

    I don't care that much about the bowl game itself - I care about the 15 practices. Glad to hear that Sitake plans to use the entire allotment.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 1:30 p.m.

    If the intent of an article is to create interest this one did it. I had to see which bowl was considered less watchable. Answer: The Cure Bowl - if anyone else was curious.

  • Cougalum St. George, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 1:21 p.m.

    Some BYU dude: Take what you want from the spelling. You are right, history will record that BYU only lost by a little to average and good teams. What a stellar recommendation. I am not a Detmer homer just an observer with the fact that 6-6 is not much better than last year when you factor in the numerous key player injuries of last year. By the way, Detmer was told who would be on his staff. Our LSU godsend hasn’t improved the team much. The fact that you have to go back to the Mendenhall years to ID most of your wins is telling. Yes I am a BYU lover, I hope they go undefeated next year. To suggest that 10 wins in 2 years, against mostly mediocre teams acceptable would imply that it is you not I that doesn’t understand college football.

  • JT4 Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 1:02 p.m.

    I'm amazed that there's anybody left that doesn't see the problems with firing Detmer, who was 8-4 the previous year with the losses by a combined eight points to Utah, UCLA, West Virginia, and Boise State. Of course people will say, "But he had Taysom Hill and Jamaal Williams!" But people ignore the fact that the freakish running ability Taysom previously used to make up for his mediocre passing wasn't there his final year; if it was, there would have been even more wins.

    *Everything* that happened the next year should be attributed to someone else. Both running backs and wide receivers were highly ineffective for the first few games. Tanner Mangum couldn't see open receivers and often missed the ones he did; Detmer talked about the possible need to replace him before he was injured (and he was replaced this year, remember?). Suspensions to valuable players like Francis Bernard and Ula Toluta'u combined with injuries the likes of which I've never seen previously to make it impossible to find any continuity.

    But it's a good thing they fired Ty--I mean, if they hadn't, Top 10 QB Tanner McKee would have come to BYU instead of going to Stanford, and we wouldn't have wanted that.

  • Samwise Salt Lake City, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 12:57 p.m.

    By making it to a bowl and showing clear improvement from last year, Sitake made his job safe for another year. I definitely do not agree he should be off the hot seat now. If the team only has 6 wins next year then Holmoe should seriously consider firing Sitake. Less than 6 wins ever again and Sitake should be gone for sure. Also Holmoe himself should be on the hot seat but that's a story for another day I guess.

  • DSattheU Ogden, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 12:11 p.m.

    Potato Bowl, huh? I was sure you had the lofty Gasparilla Bowl locked down tight. Oh well, as the old saying goes: "when life gives you potatoes, make french fries."

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    Dec. 6, 2018 12:00 p.m.

    Was Sitake ever actually on the "hot seat"? Although, stumbling to a 6-6 season after a 4-9 season would get a person fired at any University that is serious about getting into the CFP.

  • BlueCoug Provo, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 12:00 p.m.

    Fake Cougalum - “Remember when UT State scheduled teams like Nebraska regularly to take a 70 point drubbing in exchange for a big payday?”

    The fact that BYU has beaten Wisconsin, Nebraska, Mich St, Ole Miss, Miss St, Texas, Oklahoma, and many other P5 teams in recent years proves that the entire premise if your post is bogus.

  • nananana batman St. George, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 11:47 a.m.

    Wait wait so both USU and BSU from the MWC got better bowl invites than independent byu? ... Hmmm.

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 6, 2018 11:19 a.m.

    @UtahBruin

    Remember when BYU was going to go 1-4 in September this year too? We went 3-2. Remember when Auburn was a top 10 team? Remember when Wisconsin was a CFP team? Remember when USC was supposed to easily win the PAC-12 South, and now they're not even bowl eligible? Just wait and see what happens. We know nothing about how next year will pan out. BYU could go 12-0, they could go 0-12, and anything in between. There are so many factors that nobody knows. That's what makes sports, sports. You go out and play the game and see.

    ASU is my 2nd team, and I would've been on the floor laughing if someone told me Herm in his first year would go 7-5 and ASU would be 2nd in the PAC-12 South. I'd also be laughing if someone told me Utah would win the PAC-12 South.

    You have no idea how to do that win/loss column. The ones for BYU this year were laughable. Nobody thought BYU would beat Wisconsin, and lose to Cal instead. Most people thought BYU would lose to Arizona and Beat Cal. Did you think Utah State would be 10-2 with a prolific offense, and Matt Wells would leave for TTU?

    So, please, let's just remember we have no idea how things will plan out.

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 6, 2018 11:13 a.m.

    @CougAlum

    The fact that you never got Sitake or Holmoe right shows you lack even basic knowledge about the program, how it operates, and conference alignment, lol. You're another "independence is bad" and "Detmer was a scapegoat" homer.

    1. Detmer ran an awful offense. Get over it. He sucked as OC, and hired an awful coaching staff TBH.
    2. We don't really get drubbed much by other teams. Compared to most teams, if BYU loses, they lose by far less. Stats will show this. BYU has few loses greater than 7 points over a long period of time compared to a lot of other teams.
    3. Idk if you really know anything about the Big 12 and when and if they'll take anyway. Idk if anyone knows that, including the Big 12, haha.
    4. We get more money, better TV ratings, more TV exposure, and better schedules being independent than any G5 conference we go to, not to mention we have P5 equivalence with everyone except the PAC, because they have no official scheduling requirements to say who is P5 and who isn't.

    Please, go learn more about college football and the program before spouting off nonsense.

  • BYUtah Fan Herriman, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 11:07 a.m.

    Got to agree with water rocket on this one. BYU is still mediocre at best and downright terrible at worst. A loss to NIU and almost give away losses to Utah and Boise State demonstrate very poor coaching. Sataki produces good defensive teams. But the offense is pathetic. It is offense that requires the most coaching. Defense is mostly played with talent and instinct. Granted, I was at BYU for the glory days of maximum offense. But the current level of offensive football is completely unacceptable. Likewise, BYU's ability to find ways to lose games is ridiculous. The only reason that BYU was invited to any bowl game is because the team is certain to draw fans to the stadium and to the the TV. The mediocre team is not the reason. I would give Sataki one more season to produce a decent offense and if he can't, offer him the defensive coordinator spot and find another head coach.

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 6, 2018 11:07 a.m.

    @ekute

    The PAC went 1-8 last year in bowl games. They likewise struggled OOC this year.

    Compared to TV ratings, the PAC was awful in CCG. The attendance was awful. 52% of the stadium filled with 35k people (still question there were really 35k there). Next CCG was 66k, and the rest were 89+% full. The TV rating was 3.1. The next lowest was 5.6.

    Stop worrying about BYU's exposure and worry about Utah and the PAC's exposure. The PAC went 1-8 in bowl games last year. They were absolutely pathetic in the NCAA tourney. This year, they look like a pitiful conference, their OOC was laughable. You realize that MSU (7-5) was the PAC's best OOC win with ASU? After that, it's arguably SDSU or BYU.

    So, laugh all you want about exposure, but the PAC has its own exposure issues that maybe you should be thinking about.

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 10:30 a.m.

    Next to last is better than the S&I ranking of the bowl games which was dead last. With BYU ranked #71 and Western Michigan #72 it should be even but I think that BYU could have a break out game. Here's hoping for no snow that day.

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    Dec. 6, 2018 10:21 a.m.

    Who cares what a newspaper ranks games in watch-ability? SBNation put the Holiday Bowl as one of the bottom in watch-ability, and BYU slightly above average. So, who cares? Will a lot of people watch it? Idk. Will it be a good game? Maybe. Will a lot of people watch the Holiday Bowl? Idk. Will it be a good game? Maybe. These are just writers throwing things out there to get clicks and comments, much like this article. There is nothing really to write about at the moment, so they have to do something.

    I mean, a lot of people thought that the PAC-12 CCG would be something entertaining, and it was probably the worst football game I've ever watched in my life. Wish I had those 3 hours back. Granted, I didn't watch the Colts-Jags game this last week. I appreciate good defense, but holy shoot that CCG was boring as boring gets. So, let's just wait and see what happens, ratings, etc.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 6, 2018 10:18 a.m.

    Re: UtahBruin

    If you're not Johnny Raincloud, then you are Debbie Downer. USC is a grease fire - so that game is in play. Tennessee is in play. BSU has no quarterback with experience returning - that is a win. UMass is a win. SDSU is a win.

    That schedule is absurd. Holmoe is convinced that BYU is an Independent P-5, but they are really an Independent G-5. The person who should be on the hot seat is Holmoe.

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 10:11 a.m.

    @65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, ID
    Dec. 6, 2018 9:24 a.m.
    No need for BYU fans to be uppity about playing in Boise in December. Some pretty good teams have played in Humanitarian/Potato Bowl.

    Miami (yes - that Miami - the real "U")
    Clemson (yes - that Clemson)
    Georgia Tech
    Virginia
    Maryland
    Buffalo (ok - Khalil Mack)
    THE Idaho Vandals (3-0 Baby!)
    = = = = =
    The "REAL U" had their block "U" on a mountainside 31 years before "Miami" became a real school!!!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 10:09 a.m.

    UtahBruin,
    "UTAH - Loss"...

    Nope. It will be the 9th-should-have-been-victory-in-a-row. go cougs.

  • UtahBruin Eagle Mountain, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 9:54 a.m.

    I don't mean to be Johnny Raincloud here, I'm not a Ute fan. But what are they going to do next year when BYU could potentially start 1-7 to 0-8

    UTAH - Loss - A win is always possible in this game, just not lately, I will be rooting for BYU, but it is getting old watching the same game for the last 8 years. I am starting to think BYU can't get it done. Utah has evolved into more while BYU has declined.
    @TENNESSEE - Loss
    USC - Loss
    WASHINGTON - Loss
    @TOLEDO - Win/Loss
    @USF - Win/Loss - Bulls are not a pushover.
    BOISE STATE - Loss - BYU is 2-6 since 2003, But both wins were at home.
    @Utah State - Win/Loss
    Liberty - Win
    Idaho State - Win
    @UMASS - Win/Loss, leaning more towards Win.
    @San Diego State - Loss, just don't it happening.

    Best - I will give them 6-6, wins over UMass, Idaho State, Liberty, A win vs either Boise or Utah State, USF, and Toledo. I don't see anymore wins than 6.

    Worst - 3-8, wins over UMass, Idaho State, and Liberty. Yep, its possible.

    So does the hot seat then open back up. I was a fan of BYU going independent. It's time to get back into a conference, beg the Mtn. West to take you back. And then schedule great games in the 3 out of conf games.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 9:55 a.m.

    Because when you're livin' large in Bountiful, you've really made it.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Dec. 6, 2018 9:42 a.m.

    If the cougies lose to Western Michigan this will be one of there all time worst losses.

    My prediction is BYU 38 WMU 13

    Please don't lose!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 9:39 a.m.

    "second to least watchable"...not exactly the exposure that's been touted throughout the last 7 years. I expect that attendance will end up right there in the same neighborhood.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 6, 2018 9:40 a.m.

    Sitake was never on the hot seat. Honestly - the list of guys who would want the BYU gig isn't very long and the list of guys who could qualify is even shorter. Indie purgatory, the missionary carousel, Honor Code quirks, an uber-conservative culture make recruiting talented athletes a daunting task. I'm thankful that Sitake took the job and hasn't bailed.

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 9:24 a.m.

    "The Washington Post ranked the bowls, and the Cougars’ bout with Western Michigan came up as the second to least watchable. Nevertheless, the publication focused heavily on BYU in its preview."

    Left out of the story, ESPN and the WaPo ranked the Potato Bowl at 38 of 39 bowl games.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 6, 2018 9:24 a.m.

    No need for BYU fans to be uppity about playing in Boise in December. Some pretty good teams have played in Humanitarian/Potato Bowl.

    Miami (yes - that Miami - the real "U")
    Clemson (yes - that Clemson)
    Georgia Tech
    Virginia
    Maryland
    Buffalo (ok - Khalil Mack)
    THE Idaho Vandals (3-0 Baby!)

  • water rocket Magna, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 9:12 a.m.

    Why do you say Sitaki is "off the hot seat"? Winning a game or two that he wasn't expected to, losing games he shouldn't have, and blowing a 20 point lead in a big rivalry game is still pathetic. The offense showed some signs of improvement, but it is still the boring run game. The defense couldn't hold water in a bucket, let alone stop teams like Utah when they needed to. Now going to a bowl game with a 50/50 record that may not pay out enough to cover their costs? I am still not a believer.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Dec. 6, 2018 9:12 a.m.

    Potato Bowl is in Idaho. The Pot Bowl would be in Oregon.

  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 9:10 a.m.

    Famous Idaho Potato Bowl played in Boise.

    Usually features the MWC Champion but Boise State and Utah State got better offers.

    I hope this is not a night game - that will be COLD.

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    Dec. 6, 2018 8:58 a.m.

    Potato Bowl? At first I thought this was a joke...I assume it is played in Idaho or Oregon, not really sure. Regardless, good luck Cougars!