Utah leaders react to President Donald Trump's border wall speech

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  • Elsleuith Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:19 p.m.

    The Great Wall of China didn't work. Neither will the Great Wall of Trump. Both are holes you can pour billions of dollars and manpower into without much effect.

  • RCON Draper, Ut
    Jan. 11, 2019 8:21 a.m.

    Every President has acknowledged the need for border security. Trump is the only President so far that has not kicked the can down the road. The Democrats believe the wall is just another form of voter suppression. Since their future is hinged on peoples dependence on the government for basic support, they will no longer support border security like they have in the recent past.
    One thing is for sure, what we have been doing for decades is not working. A wall may or may not help. Trump has requested the opinion of the people that are tasked with the responsibility of keeping our border safe. They have all agreed that a wall will help. You can look at all the partisan studies from Universities that you want but experience is more valuable than any study. I have read a book on surgery, would you allow me to do your by-pass?

  • wrz , 00
    Jan. 10, 2019 2:38 p.m.

    @kolob1:
    "Trump should have asked the Democrats for 114 Billion Pesos instead of $5.6 Billion US. That would really be keeping his preelection promise."

    Trump didn't say that Mexico would pay up front for the wall. He said Mexico would pay for it. Didn't say when or how. One way for Mexico to pay is to restrict Mexican immigrants from sending money they earn here, to Mexico rather than spend it here in the US of A. This would amount to billions or enough to pay fore several walls. And there are several other ways Mexico would pay, including pulling manufacturing business back to the US.

    "PS: If a wall didn't work for Bush, Clinton and Obama how come they will work now? Now that there is a National Emergency (sic) !!"

    If Bush, Clinton, and Obama had walls what happened to them? Perhaps they didn't get them built. We know that several Democrat leaders have insisted, several years ago, that we needed a barrier across our Southern border to keep illegals out. And now these same Democrats are refusing to allow money for the Trump wall. Strange. I think it boils down to hatred.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 10, 2019 8:40 a.m.

    Trump should have asked the Democrats for 114 Billion Pesos instead of $5.6 Billion US. That would really be keeping his preelection promise. It should also be explained to all that $ 5.6 Billion will only build a 200 mile section of wall ( most on repair to existing wall ). Now divide that 200 miles into 2000 (10) x $5.6 Billion = $56 Billion and counting upward.

    Better ask for 1,114 Billion pesos for the 2000 miles

    PS: If a wall didn"t work for Bush, Clinton and Obama how come they will work now? Now that there is a National Emergency (sic) !!

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 10, 2019 7:55 a.m.

    Trump has critized Obama, Clinton and Bush so often I really don't know why he is using them as support for his wall. If the three prior presidents "built"a wall to solve the immigration problem at the border then why , pray tell, are we using a wall to solve what has already been tried and failed to stop the current "National Emergency".
    Walls work only as long as a person respects them .Give them a motive and the wall is worthless.

  • wrz , 00
    Jan. 9, 2019 11:02 p.m.

    @illuminated:
    "All of the Democrat leaders are on record supporting a wall before Trump."

    The fact that they (Democrat leaders) wanted barriers on the border several years ago but refuse to provide the wherewith-all for Trump to do the same today is hypocritical. But, if you think about it, the Dems cannot get over their hatred for the person who beat their presidential candidate in the last election.

    "They have walls around their own property."

    Of course they do. The issue is not about a wall, a fence, or some other type of barrier on the border. It's about hatred.

    "Cities near our southern border already resemble a third world country because of this."

    If we are not careful who we let in the US cold become a third world nation. Trump is trying to stem the entry of illegal lest we have the entire world on our borders seeking entrance.

  • My thoughts Spanish Fork, Utah
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:59 p.m.

    Has anyone heard from what country the wall builders will be from and in what country the materials will come from for the wall? Just wondering.

  • Moracle Blackshear, GA
    Jan. 9, 2019 6:08 p.m.

    Can Anyone give assurance that a Steel Fence cannot be easily cut through with a Cheap Portable Cutting Torch in a matter of MINUTES ? I did an online search and found it could cut through thick steel quickly, (it's even on a cart with wheels to roll it up to the fence). However, I couldn't find online how thick the steel fence slats are to be.

    Also, from the pictures shown so far, those slats provide great handholds for anyone with rubber shoe treads to scale the Fence... on both accounts, the Fence seems like a Paper Tiger, unless there's something not yet known.

    If there is no assurance against these issues, Why have we agreed to an easily penetrated, Steel Fence, if it is little more than a TOKEN...?

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 4:46 p.m.

    Trump admitted he would "own" this shutdown. It is the "Trump shutdown"!
    Trump knows this!
    But thank God that we finally have a President willing to take responsibility to drive a problem that has plagued us for decades to a conclusion! No country can be a sovereign country without control of who is allowed to enter.
    Remember: Trump is fighting for America and American citizens. The Democrats are fighting for illegal, non-citizens.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 9, 2019 4:36 p.m.

    @Weston journey: "What's all this slop about tRump hugging grieving fathers and consoling weeping mothers of people murdered by illegals? When did any such thing ever, ever happen???"

    Yes, of all the hyperbole and recycled agit-prop in Trump's address, this one seems the most implausible. I just cannot picture Trump ever hugging or consoling another human being. Of course, it is possible this really happened. But...ew...haven't these grieving parents suffered enough already?

  • illuminated Kansas City, MO
    Jan. 9, 2019 3:14 p.m.

    It doesn't matter if your boat has a small leak, if not closed, your ship will sink eventually. Our ship has been leaking for over 50 years. The water's now running over the deck. That's a crisis.

    All of the Democrat leaders are on record supporting a wall before Trump. They put tens of billions for other countries to build walls. They have walls around their own property.

    Anyone with any bit of honesty can see the left is only interested in playing politics not keeping America safe.

    Cities near our southern border already resemble a third world country because of this. People are suffering. This is an emergency that needs to be fixed immediately.

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 9, 2019 3:02 p.m.

    Mexico has been a good neighbor with the USA for generations and a good part of the USA originated from Mexico. Both countries want border security, but the way Trump is going about it is all wrong: insulting Mexico and calling Mexicans terrible names. That is not the American way of cooperation and mutual achievements with our allies and friends. The negotiation for border security needs to be turned over to smarter and experienced American diplomats and get Trump out of the picture.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 3:01 p.m.

    Here are results of a study regarding effects of our current border walls:

    "A new Dartmouth-Stanford study examining the economic impact of a border wall expansion between the U.S. and Mexico between 2007 to 2010 finds that the expansion minimally reduced unauthorized Mexican migration and was largely harmful to U.S. workers.

    Despite construction costs of the wall of $2.3 billion or approximately $7 per person in the U.S., the study found that the border wall expansion harmed college educated U.S. workers by $4.35 per person and only benefited less educated U.S. workers by an average of 36 cents."

    Very interesting, eh? You can read the entire report by simply Googling "Dartmouth Wall Study."

    It's so easy to learn the truth behind trump's lies that it boggles my mind when so few Americans seem willing to question his outlandish fibs.

    Failing to fact check things we are told has to be one of the greatest shortcomings of most Americans. Can you imagine how much better off we'd all be if we would all just make an effort to do that?

  • Mary Mc Lacey, WA
    Jan. 9, 2019 2:35 p.m.

    For some reason the nursery rhyme about ,"Humpty Dumpty" sitting on a wall keeps running through my mind.

  • Dexter183 Murray/Salt Lake County, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 2:29 p.m.

    Hey one vote: “a wall is a medieval solution”. So is the wheel. Maybe we should also look for a higher tech solution there. Some comments and arguments against a barrier are very intertaining (or sad depending on how you look at it).

  • agpond Saint George, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 2:24 p.m.

    If barriers don't work, why do we have some form of wall or fence around every public school.? I have no experience in using drones to control perimeters, but most schools and sacred religious areas still chose something other than drones. How does a drone impede entrance? I wonder if St. Peter controls would be walk-arounds with drones.

  • Immifriend Sandy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 2:15 p.m.

    Here's a compromise both sides would have trouble saying no to: Give President Trump his $5.7 billion for the fence, but then come up with a figure for how much money is needed for immigration judges so the cases can be adjudicated without delay.
    If there is a crisis of people crossing the borders, there is a crisis of them not being processed in a timely fashion when they arrive at the border -- legally asking for entry.
    Justice deferred is justice denied, it is said. We should realize our ability to provide justice is a crisis, itself, if we believe in the American way of justice.
    If the immigrants get their applications processed in a timely manner, it will not so much matter that there is a wall keeping them out. If they are allowed through the front door -- as most of them these days appear to be wanting to do -- they won't need to sneak through the back door.
    Trump and others have said they are not against legal migration. Here is the test then: If you mean it, provide enough judges and workers so the asylum applications can be processed within days.
    I'm guessing this is a compromise neither side could reasonably reject.
    -- John Jackson (aka Immifriend)

  • n8ive american Shelley, Idaho
    Jan. 9, 2019 2:08 p.m.

    Walls. Politicians have them around their homes. DNC rallies have them around their compounds. Football stadiums have them. Airports have them. Disneyland/Disneyworld have them. If walls don't work or are inhumane, why are all these places walled up? Are they more important than our Nation's (and therefore legal citizen's) safety?

  • Kouger Lehi, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 2:05 p.m.

    Stupidity is keep doing the same thing expecting different results. If Clinton built wall, Bush built wall and Obama also built wall and still have same problems, why is Trump insisting on a wall, Mr Lee? It's just to satisfy his base. Purely political. As they say, the only wall we desperately need is a wall around Trump.

  • wrz , 00
    Jan. 9, 2019 1:58 p.m.

    @Frozen Fractals:
    "A shutdown is the fault of whoever is trying to insert a fight into the budget negotiation. Period. End of story."

    This is not a budget negotiation. It's a Continuing Resolution (CR). Congress has not worked on a budge for years. Trump should not sign anything until Congress can come up with a budget.

    @Birdman1990:
    "...a wall makes us look bad but I€™m all for boarder security. Like what Pelosi and Schumer just said, more personnel and more technology."

    Let's take a look... Trump's wall will keep illegals from entering the US. That's what Trump wants. More personnel and more technology does not get the job done. If caravan member see there is no barrier, they merely put their foot on US soil and are taken into custody rather than returned back across the border. The result... they remain in the US. With just added personnel and technology we may as well have no border. We need Trump's wall.

    Certain individuals in congress know all this. They don't want Trump's wall. They're content with little or no migration controlled. It helps augment voter base.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, WA
    Jan. 9, 2019 1:49 p.m.

    The Soviets built a wall around East Berlin.

    Once they figured out their walls didn't work after all,
    they started used their machine guns.

    Is this America, or Putin's version of it?

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, WA
    Jan. 9, 2019 1:46 p.m.

    The Soviets built a wall around East Berlin.
    The wall didn't stop anyone -- but, their machine guns did.

  • Thomas Jefferson Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 1:25 p.m.

    Red
    "Nancy Pelosi thinks she helping the Democrats out by not working on border security.
    That is the main reason President Trump won. He needs to deliver on his promise"

    His promise was that Mexico was going to pay for his monument to himself and the credulity of his supporters.

    The GOP has had both houses of congress and the presidency for the last two years and yet only NOW does it become an emergency.

  • robin138 springfield, VA
    Jan. 9, 2019 1:14 p.m.

    I read on the "crowd sourced information website" that there were 40,100 successful crossings of the Iron Curtain from East to West Germany. Before I was an Air Force officer, I lived in Germany with my Dad who was an Army officer. I have seen the Iron Curtain from West to East and it was much more dangerous to cross than a 40 foot wall (read up on it), yet people did try. A steel panel wall can be defeated by 50' ladders.

  • Weston Jurney West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 1:11 p.m.

    What's all this slop about tRump hugging grieving fathers and consoling weeping mothers of people murdered by illegals? When did any such thing ever, ever happen???

  • jimjr Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 12:52 p.m.

    It sounds like too many people posting to this article agree with Calif and NY sanctuary cities. I say, move back there and welcome the crime but don’t bring liberal policies to Utah.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 12:53 p.m.

    The Donald just acknowledged the wall is a medieval solution that will work now as it did 1000 years ago. Sad.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 12:39 p.m.

    If you stop drugs from coming over the border, there will be a lot of unhappy American consumers.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 12:35 p.m.

    Trump and congress should fund the government and negotiate the wall separately. There is no reason to make innocent federal works take the hit over the inability of congress and trump to act.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 12:34 p.m.

    The headline says that Utah leaders weigh in on Trump's speech. Except for maybe McAdams and Curtis, who are the leaders? I see some rubber stamp Republicans, but no leaders. And for Stewart, don't forget that your party gave us the shutdown. Again, you made a mess and handed it off to the other party on your way out the door. Games? You know how to play them.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 12:22 p.m.

    -RiDal said: "Walls don't work." Every rational person recognizes that walls are very effective. They are not "defeated by ladders" because they are also *guarded walls".

    Oh wait, we're talking armed watchtowers every few hundred feet, I must have missed that part of the wall speech, now it's going to cost a 1000 times more and a continuous paid presence waiting, waiting for the flow which has nearly stopped?

    -RiDal said: "It is obvious there is only one thing that would satisfy the Left: completely open borders."

    Please do point out who said this, anybody? This is just a blatant falsehood.

    RiDal said: They "want" border security in the same way a tick "wants" a hound.

    Wait, so your saying they want border security "badly as a tick wants a hound," Yep the Dems do want border security as they have said many times, they don't want a monument to stupidity that now has watchtowers.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 12:11 p.m.

    There isn’t even a adequate engineered plan for a wall. According to qualified engineers your POTUS underestimates cost by at least a factor of 10 and there is not a single border adjacent Representative from either party that supports funding the wall. If the border was in such a crisis then the Utah Delegation except for Curtis has been derelict for the past two years. It certainly didn’t happen in the past two weeks.

  • hbeckett Colfax, CA
    Jan. 9, 2019 11:57 a.m.

    and why don't they use razor wire as a determinant it works just fine on prison walls

  • Hank Pym Draper, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 11:56 a.m.

    to RedShirt -

    {To "Hank Pym" actually walls do work}

    So? On your 5 yr mission, you have NEVER encountered sarcasm?

    I'm betting their is some version of The Drake Equation that accounts for it.... Much like Howard's tweak on TBBT

  • skeptic Phoenix, AZ
    Jan. 9, 2019 11:54 a.m.

    How about a wall on the Norther border, how about a wall between Alaska Canada and Russia, how about a wall around Hawaii. Trump builds beautiful concert walls and Mexico will pay for them, so why not.

  • Farmington Fan Farmington, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 11:47 a.m.

    I think President Trump isn't going far enough with his border security proposals. Why isn't anyone talking about the border security emergency with our northern border with Canada, as well.

    I would especially expect Senator Lee and Representative Bishop to show some leadership in bringing this important issue to the attention of Congress and the President.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 11:38 a.m.

    To "Hank Pym" actually walls do work. See "Head Of Border Patrol Union Weighs In On Trump's Wall Plans" at NPR.

    See also "Homeland Security secretary: Border walls work. Yuma sector proves it." in USA Today.

    "The places where walls work" American Enterprise Institute

    "'The President Is Right': Former Border Patrol Chief Under Obama Says Walls ‘Absolutely Work’" Fox News

    "Border fence in Israel cut illegal immigration by 99 percent, GOP senator says" Politifact.

    Apparently walls do work.

  • Contemplator Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 11:27 a.m.

    How about this compromise:
    Let's raise taxes on income over 1 Million $ per year a tiny bit and raise President Trump's requested 5.7 billion this way.

  • Rubydo Provo, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 11:13 a.m.

    The democrats just want the problem on the border to fester so that they can exploit and encourage the next caravan rushing our border in order to make Trump look bad. The democrats are demonstrating their lack of concern with legal immigration, national security and the rule of law by their stance on sanctuary cities and their desires to abolish ICE.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 11:17 a.m.

    I thought he said he was going to write the speech. Somebody got out the red editing pencil, that's for sure. I mean, come on, 'crisis of the heart'? Where did that come from? This is the guy who was more than happy to take kids away from their parents and put them in cages. Just to warn others. Now he's waxing poetic?

    And, when they do get him stuck in the office and tell him to stick to the script he delivers like a wet dishrag.

    Anyway, no minds where changed last night, and the prime time tv schedule was interrupted. No crisis, no emergency, no wall.

  • Evets Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 11:10 a.m.

    What a missed opportunity. Democrats are so set at blocking Trump that they are missing a golden opportunity. If they would negotiate a deal they could trade the $5.7 B for the wall for almost whatever they want. Proves to me they are not focused on passing some type of compromise but are rather just trying to block Trump from succeeding.

  • worf McAllen, TX
    Jan. 9, 2019 11:04 a.m.

    Sorry folks.

    Trump is not lying about the violence, drugs, and human trafficking coming from other countries as Pelosi is stating.

    If a wall save lives,--it's worth it!

    If some people temporarily lose their job to save the lives of others,--it's worth it.

    Either we have a country or we don't.

  • LOU Montana Pueblo, CO
    Jan. 9, 2019 11:00 a.m.

    I am amazed!

    In 2002 Republicans fully embraced the illegal aliens saying they are refugees who are seeking a better opportunity. Republicans hired them and they fully embrace them. Republicans took illegal aliens over American workers and degraded American workers wages and benefits.

    It was the Democrats who fought for a controlled immigration system.
    It was Democrats who warned there would be an overabundance of cheap labor and it was Democrats who warned us about the impact on our societies.

    I am simply amazed at how things have turned around.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:53 a.m.

    As hard as it is to watch this whole debacle unfold I applaud Trump for forcing this issue.

    What we see now is just how dysfunctional this govt really is, and serves as a serious problem to brimg up discussion of does this two party system of govt really work or not.

    On one side you have spineless republicans that serve two masters claiming to be conservative but their actions show otherwise. The other side you have democrats that have pushed the envelope of civility and upholding the law with their antics at the Kavanaugh witch trial and the bogus hunt for illegal activity to pin on trump as examples all in an attempt to unseat a duly elected official voted in by the american public.

    I think a movement should start to encourage a convention of the states to invoke a new amendment to the constitution to remove a dysfunctional govt and all of it's elected officials in a time of constitutional crisis like what we have now.

    Simply put, the faceless and uncompromising GOP and the communist left simply cant function together to form a govt that effectively serves the people of the united states.

    I say we have recall elections to remove them all and start over, I'm tired of this.

  • Hank Pym Draper, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:40 a.m.

    re Jim Jan. 9, 2019...

    "The Chinese did that 1000 + years ago and Japan came in from the other direction. "

    It was the Mongolian hordes they were trying to keep out.

    re Thid Barker Jan. 9, 2019...

    "By comparing the contents of both President Trump's remarks to those of Pelosi/ Schumer ...I wonder whom we should take seriously?"

    No confirmation bias here? To answer your question, both sides were spouting a ton of fluffy rhetoric that was nothing more than dog whistles to their respective bases.

    re RedShirt Jan. 9, 2019

    "The facts are in, walls work,..."

    Only in a Pink Floyd Song.

  • VIDAR Murray, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:39 a.m.

    Illegal drugs come across the border because there is a demand created by United States citizens. We fund the drug cartels. No barrier will prevent this as long as there is still a demand. Take the money we use to build a wall-barrier and use it to improve the lives and health of our citizens. This will lower the demand.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:32 a.m.

    @Jim - Mesa, AZ - Canadians don't want to come to USA. They generally look down on Americans. So you don't have to worry about a Canadian wall.

  • There You Go Again St George, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:31 a.m.

    Mexico will pay for my wall.

    My big beautiful wall.

    My wall will have my name on it.

    Americans heard trump endlessly brag about this during the campaign.

    Republicans fell for the campaign slogan...Americans did not.

    Faced with losing face trump spends 9 minutes blaming evryone but himself for his inability to do what he told Americans he would do.

    Hold trump responsible for failing to do what he promised.

    Hold trump responsible for the trump shutdown which he said he would gladly own.

    Hold trump responsible for holding Americans hostage for a failed campaign slogan.

  • stand up for truth Lehi, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:20 a.m.

    That the Democrat leaders are playing politics over this is shameful. The 5.7 billion is a pittance of what President Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and others have spent on these walls/fences. And it is a fraction of the cost we pay for those who illegally enter the country.

    Like Senator Lee points out, each predecessor president built or extended walls on our southern border. Strong walls work regardless of the denials. Just ask the people who patrol the borders. Is it possible to get through them? Of course. Even in prisons sometimes people do. But it is a strong deterrent and relatively few get through when the walls or fences are adequate.

    Some of our so called fences or walls are a joke though and need to be upgraded to security strength.

    And if there is anything immoral it is not fixing the problem. Without these walls people are enticed to just enter and take their luck at coming in illegally. Little children are hurt or die, women are assaulted and raped. And not only drugs but human trafficking is so much easier without adequate wall control.

    Congress, stop playing politics. Get on with other needed immigration reforms as well. But a wall comes first.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:14 a.m.

    Legal immigration produces no humanitarian crisis while illegal immigration creates all kinds of humanitarian and financial crises, which are easy to verify or by learn about by actually talking to people on both sides of the border! The issue is how do we solve illegal immigration humanitarian crises? What's the Democrat's solution to the humanitarian crises? Deny that there are any crisis! Democrat denial will NEVER solve the problem! Never has, never will! It will only continue to get worse! Build the wall!

  • Jim Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:09 a.m.

    I find it interesting that in this day and age, that a country would want to build a wall. The Chinese did that 1000 + years ago and Japan came in from the other direction. Rome tried that in England, that didn't work for them either. So if a wall is built to stop Mexicans and South Americans from coming in, what will we do if by the off chance the Canadians decide to hop the border. I know build another wall. Surely the money can be put to better use. I know how about fixing the VA. Or build more homeless shelters or help low income families.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:06 a.m.

    The Democrats' two main talking points are simply preposterous:
    1" It is not a crisis at the border."

    But when they thought they could use it to promote a "humanitarian crisis" narrative, it was definitely a crisis to them.

    2. "Walls don't work."

    This is utterly ridiculous. Every secure area or region on earth has a wall around it. The Great Wall of China "worked" for thousands of years, and was finally breached only in all-out warfare. Do we think there is all-out warfare at the border ? Every rational person recognizes that walls are very effective. They are not "defeated by ladders" because they are also *guarded walls".

    It is obvious there is only one thing that would satisfy the Left: completely open borders. They "want" border security in the same way a tick "wants" a hound.

  • new2house Cedar City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:05 a.m.

    May be Utah Should Ask the President to gave Zion'spark to UTAH since He dose not want to pay to keep it.

  • Truthczar Colorado Springs, CO
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:58 a.m.

    Walls work so you don't have to.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:52 a.m.

    All politicians, movie stars, late night talk show hosts, major network news channels talking heads need to spend at least six months to a year in Nogales Az in a cheap hotel and roll up their sleeves and get to work with the border patrol. That means learn how to ride horses, be on call 24 hours per day, work in the 100-degree weather, be comfortable with sweat. The three major individuals that really need this training are Trump, Pelosi, and Schumer. It's disheartening when we hear about big mouth politicians talk about border problems when they themselves haven't spent a good amount of time actually doing what the border patrol does. They don't have a clue what is going on out here.

  • embarrassed Utahn! Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:54 a.m.

    I agree with one thing Trump said last night “We have a crisis of the heart”and “we have a crisis of the soul”.... So true!

  • Anti Bush-Obama , 00
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:40 a.m.

    They have paid this issue lip service for over 30 years without anything getting done. I'm glad someone is trying to make it better instead of continuing to kick the can down the road.

  • tsobserver Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:34 a.m.

    Democrats say, "Reopen the government and then we will negotiate in good faith." If they care so much about getting the government opened up, let them offer as part of the continuing resolution to fund the government, a clause that no Democrat member of Congress or their staffers will get paid until comprehensive immigration reform and border security is passed and signed into law.

  • Semi-PRO Brigham City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:29 a.m.

    Donald Trump had to ramp up the rhetoric. Calling Mexicans coming across the border rapists and murderers wasn't enough so now he has to get on national television and describe the grisly details of murders committed by some of the "illegals."

    Beheading and dismembering a body, murder committed using a hammer were some of the disgusting things our lovely President talked about last night. I couldn't believe our President would get on TV to talk about these things. What was the point, to scare every American to not leave their house?

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:23 a.m.

    By comparing the contents of both President Trump's remarks to those of Pelosi/ Schumer even the most casual observer can see stark differences! President Trump talked about border security to alleviate suffering (drugs, assault, murder) on both sides of the border! Pelosi/Schumer talked about President Trump and denied there is any suffering on either side of the border due to illegal immigration! One side talked about stopping the suffering, the other party only about their hatred for President Trump! Gee, I wonder whom we should take seriously?

  • jasonlivy Orem, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:23 a.m.

    This all boils down to one thing...border security. Many believe, including McAdams, that a government shutdown is unnecessary and he's right. I really don't get why the Dems don't just allow the 5 billion (1/10 of 1% of the budget) to go through so we can end the shutdown? In my opinion, it is them who are playing politics and really don't care about the safety of our nation.

    For so many years, and every presidential campaign that I can remember, border security has always been a huge talking point. This campaigning president was going to be the one to solve it. However Trump is really the only president I've seen willing to take this on and he's not giving up which I support...

    I really don't care who pays for it. He says Mexico was going to pay for it but that fell through. So what! We need a well thought-out wall that will be the first line of defense as has been asked for by the border patrol. We then need other things in place including drones, more border patrol agents, more judges, etc once the wall is built. We need to have the will to solve this and, like most things that are incredibly important, we've politicized it to death. There is enough blame to go around.

  • Farmington Fan Farmington, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:16 a.m.

    "Donald Trump is the greatest U.S. president ever. His profile should be put on Mount Rushmore, even while he is still president."

    "The border wall is the greatest idea any U.S. politician has ever had. The U.S. should be willing to pay 100 billion to build such a wall. What is everyone complaining about?"

    "Who cares if the federal government is shut down and hundreds of thousands of federal employees are going without a few pay checks while we take care of this border security emergency (that only suddenly became an emergency when President Trump realized he had not kept his campaign promise)--we're all still getting our paychecks. All those patriotic Americans who work for the federal government are happy to sacrifice for their country. As a former president once said: 'Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country.' "

    Said: Mike Lee, Rob Bishop, John Curtis, Chris Stewart.

  • jimjr Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:16 a.m.

    Interesting that so many people simply ignore the serious crimes occurring at the border like drug and human trafficking, gang violence and endless illegal immigration to name just a few. It’s not just at the border where crimes are being committed by illegals but throughout the country. Many of these criminals have been deported several times. The wall is not the sole answer but will be a very good additional deterrent to combat this growing issue. Keep in mind, the Border Patrol and other law enforcement agencies fully back this endeavor.

  • JakeShewmake St. George, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:10 a.m.

    How can so many of you support a 5th century solution to a 21st century problem? Do we live in the dark ages?

    What will you do next, build a wall around the coast lines. Dig down 200 feet below the wall to stop tunneling? Make the wall reach to space to stop airplanes.

    How about we give that much money to all of the countries in Central America and Mexico to improve life there o that people can live better lives where they are?

    Or here is the suggestion you conservatives always offer when we talk about increasing funding for education or other important services in our state--if you want to increase border security so bad, feel free to donate from you own money to a go fund me account.

    With my tax money I want to see improvements in our own country to help our own people improve their lives, not wasted on a relic from the dark ages. Technology yes, agents, yes, faster asylum processing and medical care, yes. Wall, absolutely never, ever. Trump will go down in flames on this one. We are only 741 days away from a new president.

    Open the government, pay people, then make laws and budgets the way the forefathers intended--through reasoned debate--not playground bullying.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:04 a.m.

    Why did the Republican congressmen not fund the wall in the last two years when they had a large majority?

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:01 a.m.

    Having lived in El Paso, Texas and Arizona, and served in the military in Germany and in Vietnam and Korea and during the first Gulf War, This is not a valid crisis.

    Strategically and Tactically, this is an administration that didn’t go by the Department of Defense, Intelligence Agencies and the National Security Council advice and recommendations.

    Russia would love us to have this kind of government shutdown with Homeland Security basically in disarray and our Justice Department investigating Russians in many way, and 800,000 employees without pay checks tomorrow night at midnight.

    That doesn’t even count our National Parks and the Citizens in those areas that support those parks by providing places to stay and eat, fix cars/RVs and get fuel.

    A real shame Elected Congressional leaders from Utah in the Senate and House don’t fulfill their duties.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 9, 2019 8:41 a.m.

    Redshirt said "Remember, most of the incumbent congressional members voted to build a wall during the Obama and Bush administrations. So, in the past they thought that walls were the solution, but now are playing politics."

    As long as we are living in the past how about one from a more recent past. "“I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall.” That quote comes from our President who said the same basic thing more than twenty times.

    I find it funny that positions that Democrats held 5, 10, or even 15 years ago must be held to today, but statements from our President from two or three years ago no longer apply. Who is playing politics here? The President is, he promised a wall and Rush and Ann told him he better deliver a wall.

    The House has passed the same bill that the Senate passed 100-0 on a voice vote to open the government. It is time for Mitch McConnell to take that bill to the Senate floor and pass it and send it to the President. If he veto's it, then fine send it back and work on a compromise. Mitch McConnell is failing to to do his duty in the Senate by not taking up the bill passed in the House.

  • Ranch Here, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 8:39 a.m.

    @dski;

    Congress didn't have to approve the return of Iran's money to Iran (that money didn't come from the US treasury, it was Iran's money to begin with).

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 8:37 a.m.

    @Redshirt
    "To "Frozen Fractals" so are you saying that this is the fault of the Democrats? They are the ones putting the fight into the negotiations. "

    No, it's Trumps fault because he's the one demanding something new in the budget. That's the start of the fight. That's why there is a shutdown.

    You've said that it's not Trump's fault because he hasn't been sent something to veto. But the only reason he hasn't had something to veto is because Ryan (before the switch) and McConnell (after the switch) are refusing to hold a vote on something that would pass because it'd lead to Trump having to veto it. You absolutely would call it a Democratic shutdown if Pelosi were refusing to hold a vote on a budget bill that would pass just because she didn't want Clinton to have to cave on demands or veto it.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 9, 2019 8:37 a.m.

    Headline: "Utah leaders react to President Donald Trump's border wall speech"

    Utah GOPers reacted predictably to Trump's speech, like empty boxcars react to a locomotive.

  • PhiloBeddoe , 00
    Jan. 9, 2019 8:38 a.m.

    To all who are against the wall I would invite you to spend six months at the Point of the Mountain and then tell us whether walls work.

    Seems as though the Dems are speaking out of both sides of their mouth. Hypocrisy is the name.

    Mitt Romney was silent? LOL. Would this be previews of coming attractions?

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 8:27 a.m.

    Hey, what happened to Dear Leader? Wasn't he supposed to declare and national security emergency and order the Corp of Engineers to start building the wall this afternoon?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 9, 2019 8:18 a.m.

    “People love to bring up the campaign chant to have Mexico pay for it. The wall was the promise. Mexico paying for it was just a suggestion on ho to do it.”

    Nice nuance but untrue. Show me one example to support this notion.

    Trumps campaign rhetoric was always that we needed a wall and Mexico was going to pay for it.

    Never once did I hear that Mexico paying for it was only a suggestion or an option. Not once.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 8:14 a.m.

    To "JoeBlow " but a wall is the best solution. The head of the Border Patrol Union says it works. There are multiple news articles out there showing that when walls are put up at points where there is a lot of illegal border crossings that the numbers of crossings drops by 80% or more.

    The facts are in, walls work, and the agents who secure the border want them. If anything the walls slow the people crossing enough to allow agents time to catch them before they can disappear.

  • kolob1 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 8:02 a.m.

    Schumer and Pelosi are political opponents of Donald Trump, what do you expect them to say? I about fell out of my chair when I heard Trump use the blacks and latinos as a reason for the border wall.

    Build this wall and it will be a disgusting symbol of America's failed experiment and spirit. And it will herald the beginning of the end of the world's only showplace of Democracy and free will.

    When we sing "Whose broad stripes and bright stars through the perilous fight"
    we will add and "higher walls" to our National Anthem.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 8:02 a.m.

    The billions of $ that trump is requesting is for more than extending physical barriers : additional immigration judges, more border agents and other law enforcement assets, more beds for detainees, non-intrusive technology. addressing urgent humanitarian needs. This is a more comprehensive plan than has been argued in the media. And how many out there have fences around their property ? Even Temple square, which has gates and welcomes all to visit has a wall for controlling access.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    Jan. 9, 2019 8:00 a.m.

    A manufactured crisis that did not keep the Mueller probe at bay yesterday. The Dems look mighty strong here and Trumps demeanor during the speech looked to me like he understands that only a very few believe his words or motives anymore. No, you will not have 5 billion nay not even 5 cents for this ridiculous pledge. And ummm—-guess what? Mexico is a great and proud nation. They are not going to foot the bill for a temper tantrum. You might as well ask Mexico to let us beat them in the World Cup because we do so much for them.

  • Dexter183 Murray/Salt Lake County, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:58 a.m.

    The article states that there was no comment from Mitt Romney. I invision him with his finger in the air trying to determine which way the political wind is blowing. He won’t be getting another fist bump from Schumer If he just sits there passively and doesn’t display any moral outrage for the president.

  • Valhalla Alpine, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:59 a.m.

    I find the narrative to get the government funding done, and then to resume conversations to be false. I have been a part of groups in Washington who want to effect change. The majority of the time issues were close to a vote, the committees instead determined to kick the can down the road, as no-one wanted to go on record, or leadership simply wasn't comfortable with the inevitable outcome of a vote. It was very discouraging.

    Now, it appears that we have someone who is willing to stand his ground to force resolution. I honestly don't believe that Democrats have any intention of holding serious talks if this budgetary issue is not resolved. Nor do they have any intention of compromise. They often talk of compromise on both sides of the isle, but I don't see much real evidence. Here's hoping that we effectively address the very real financial needs of the border as a part of this budgetary process. And, yes, more wall is a part of that.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:51 a.m.

    WeThePeople said: "Commenters here are correct: the Wall will do nothing about the millions of illegal's already here. That is why we need our Police to round up and deport the illegal's! Go house to house--unless people are illegal, or hiding illegal's in they're basement's, they have nothing to hide!"

    Awe yes the trump effect, we need to go door to door, checking people for their papers, making sure they have a birth certificate, this is what the GOP has become? Appeasing the dear leader has come to this?

  • Xpat1961 ,
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:54 a.m.

    "we need our Police to round up and deport the illegal's (illegals)! Go house to house - unless people are illegal, or hiding illegal's (illegals) in they're (their) basement's (basements), they have nothing to hide"...
    Really... are you seriously suggesting a police force go house to house looking for illegals?
    The police don't have the time or resources to do their jobs as it is. What happened to civil rights and search warrants? Guilty until proven innocent... is that the next step?

  • Mick , 00
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:49 a.m.

    90% of heroin comes across the southern border. We have governors declaring emergencies in their states because of the health crisis and deaths that are occurring.

    You think it’s not a problem. Just go the the ERs in our two biggest hospitals in the state and see what we deal with on a DAILY basis. And guess what? Heroin addicts are not insured.

    Fix the border. I don’t care how you do it. And Democrats, you wanted and funded and voted for a wall in 2006. But not now? Get over your hate and figure it out!

  • dski HERRIMAN, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:34 a.m.

    I am very disappointed with his speech. I was waiting for him to declare the Southern border as a National emergency because there is an ongoing crisis down there. The President has the constitutional authority to declare national emergency when he determines there is one. We can debate whether he should or should not. Sadly, he is the president, not us. He also can use discretionary funds to build the wall. Remember the billions of cash President Obama delivered to Iran? Congress didn’t have to approve it. Discretionary funds is a part of every budget approved by Congress.

  • Common sense conservative Herriman, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:32 a.m.

    1. This is not a sudden "crisis". Levels of illegal crossings are down almost 90% from 10 years ago.
    2. Majority of illegals did not cross the southern border. They came legally and have overstayed their visas. Wall does nothing to address this.
    3. Trump could have pushed for this over the last 2 years when Republicans controlled both houses.

  • J. Smith Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:24 a.m.

    Trump continues to divert the conversation from alleged crimes and Russian collusion. It is as though the trapped animal is at the "gnawing off the paw" stage......

  • Impartial7 DRAPER, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:19 a.m.

    This is a manufactured crisis and Lee knows it. Illegal immigration is at its lowest point in 20+ years. The State dept and DEA's own info shows that most illegal drugs come in trucks, through port of entry gateways. Trump is making this a crisis to appease his base most of America knows this. And so do, I suspect, Utah's GOP delegation.

  • Puukko Orem , 00
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:18 a.m.

    Hang tough president Trump. The balls in the Dems court, they're the one keeping the government shutdown.

  • Daedalus, Stephen ARVADA, CO
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:17 a.m.

    @silo: [in response to Bloodhound] "I do not understand why some American buy into hyperbole and exaggeration when facts are so readily available."

    Silo - you answered your own question. How else can a person cling to an untenable position without resorting or falling for hyperbole and exaggeration?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:02 a.m.

    To "Frozen Fractals" so are you saying that this is the fault of the Democrats? They are the ones putting the fight into the negotiations. Remember, most of the incumbent congressional members voted to build a wall during the Obama and Bush administrations. So, in the past they thought that walls were the solution, but now are playing politics.

    To "Birdman1990 " read "Head Of Border Patrol Union Weighs In On Trump's Wall Plans" at NPR. Why not listen to the head of the Border patrol, you know, one of the experts.

    To "Xpat1961" I remember when Obama made the promise to secure the border by building fences and walls. He failed on that, but do you care about that failed promise?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Jan. 9, 2019 6:04 a.m.

    I would fully and completely support the creation of a non partisan non political group of experts to study the border issue and come up with recommendations to address the issue.

    While we are talking about $5+ billion today, we all know that is only a small percentage of the total cost.

    Is a wall the best solution to address the issue? I dont know. And you dont either.

    So, do we just want to blindly follow Trumps idea or would it be better to step back and think before spending a HUGE amount of money?

    How about we address this issue like a business and spend money in the most efficient and effective way to address the issue at hand? Maybe that is a wall. And maybe it isn't

    I contend that right now, neither side really cares. The GOP base wants a wall for political reasons and the Dems want to deny the wall for political reasons.

    Do we know what the true cost of the wall will be? Do you even care?

    There is a better way. Lets use logic, data and facts and come up with the best Real solution as opposed to the best Political solution.

    We have to stop putting politics over country

  • Cowboy Poet Vernal, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 5:16 a.m.

    Why doesn't President Trump use his authority as Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States of America?

    Bring our troops home from Africa, Korea, Afghanistan, Syria, et cetera, and have them defend the Mexican Border, while the United States Army Corps of Engineers constructs a wall.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 5:18 a.m.

    First of all, either side making claims the other side is playing politics is hypocrisy in its purest form. Of course they are. Neither side is blameless in that regard.

    What needs to happen is all chips need to be cleared from the table. Both sides need to step back from their positions and have an honest fresh discussion about how to best secure our borders. It may include parts with more wall - in addition to the 700 we already have funded. It may include better electronic surveillance. It may be more people patrolling. It may be more assets and facilities along the border. It may be partnering with Mexico on setting up systems for legal admittance.

    The point is both sides need to back away from their entrenched positions and come to the table willing to compromise and find a joint solution. Trying to force the other side to capitulate is just prideful grandstanding, and counter productive.
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  • unrepentant progressive Bozeman, MT
    Jan. 9, 2019 5:01 a.m.

    Bottom line.

    Trump gave out a bunch of misrepresentations in his speech. He looked bored. That the good state of Utah is represented in Washington by 'Yes Men' speaks poorly of the state's elected leaders.

    It is not responsible for our legislature to base decisions of consequence on party loyalty and the whims of a capricious executive. Our legislators must deal with fact and decide on that basis. Trump utterly failed to give solid rationales for his pet project. The Senate and the House must pass bills to keep government in operation and ignore Trump's tantrums. Presidential ego is no rational basis for spending money.

  • emb Pleasant Grove, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 4:56 a.m.

    Our representatives are right on target. Quickest way to end the shutdown is to stop congressional pay during the shutdown.

  • emb Pleasant Grove, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 4:50 a.m.

    These people want in because of our successes in America. You can't blame them after the conditions in their own countries. Fund the wall and open the government

  • Zabilde Riverdale, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 4:01 a.m.

    People love to bring up the campaign chant to have Mexico pay for it. The wall was the promise. Mexico paying for it was just a suggestion on ho to do it. But we spend nearly $200 Billion on Welfare, healthcare and other social services to Illegal immigrants every year. If a Wall slows down the flow of border crossers enough to reduce that expense even 1% the 5 Billion will be paid for in just over two years. If it drops it by 5% it will have paid for itself twice in a single year. So it doesn't matter if a slight majority of illegals are here by over staying travel visa's Enough are walking across the unsecured southern border every year for a Wall to make a significant savings in the above expenses. Once the wall is paid for that savings can then be turned to more enforcement against visa skippers, and better, faster processing of those attempting to immigrate legally.

    Let's complete the Wall that Clinton, Bush II and Obama all worked on. Once the southern border is secured we can redirect resources to improving the immigration system.

    Legal immigrants are not the problem, they are welcome. But we have to control illegal immigration better.

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 3:46 a.m.

    What was wrong with Dear Leader? Low energy? He didn’t even seem enthusiastic about his concrete Mexican border wall. He just went through the motions.

    Oh well.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Jan. 9, 2019 3:26 a.m.

    "[T]"here is no immigration crisis at the border. We have a humanitarian crisis caused by the irresponsible policies and practices of this administration."

    Bingo.

    This has been Trump's M.O. his entire life. He makes a mess of things with his reckless incompetence, then calls for a solution that bails himself out.

  • sman columbia, MS
    Jan. 9, 2019 3:20 a.m.

    The Presidents comments was clear and proven fact. The drugs and criminals are coming through our southern border. Just because you close your eyes the problem does not go away. Congress opposition complain about 5 billion dollars as being to much and extravagant but willing to blow more money on pet projects and useless studies.

  • 1mansopinion ,
    Jan. 9, 2019 1:01 a.m.

    @silo

    First, why is ICE providing data on drugs entering the country? ICE enforces immigration laws within the US, CBP and HSA should be the resource for data on drugs entering the country. Aside from that, just exactly how would any of those departments know? My guess is that any data they have is based upon drug stops (obviously there are going to be many more drug stops at our ports of entry). There are hundreds of miles of blindspots along the border, to suggest that the government knows who/what is crossing the border is ridiculous.

    Second, a wall will in fact do nothing to deal with the 11 million illegal immigrants already in the country. However, by not adding to the 11 million already here, taxpayers will save billions.

    It pointless to even discuss the issue though. Immigration has been a political issue for decades. There are actually solutions to the problem but each side has their talking points and has a political interest in protecting the status quo. People will never remove themselves and their desires to be correct out of the way of real progress, so will we continue talking in circles for the decades to come.

  • Bluebella Midvale, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 12:11 a.m.

    If Trump wanted his wall the time to push it was when the Republicans held both houses.

    Not now on the backs of poor children(food stamps being declined) people's paychecks and our national parks.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:56 p.m.

    Both sides are using federal employees and small business owners as pawns to push their political message. Both are hurting our country. Both need to take ownership and responsibility for the problem and the solution. We needed meaningful and effective immigration reform 30 yrs. ago when it was a lot less complicated. It didn't get done and needs to be done now it is a big mess. Our politicians need to quit listening to the extremists in both of their parties and media. They are dangerous and not interested in the best interest of our country regardless of their side or party.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:39 p.m.

    @joe5
    "Trump had numbers on immigration issues"

    Trump exaggerated every claim and used statistics from all illegal immigration to justify cost savings from a border wall covering only a segment of that border/population. Deceptive at best.

    "Schummer was called out personally by Trump for once favoring walls and now opposing him"

    In 2006, when Schumer supported a wall, the data supported a wall. Year-over-year illegal population was growing in the US. It no longer is, and hasn't since 2008.

    "They could have had a solution to the border problem under Obama."

    The number of illegals in the US has not risen since 2008. It's been flat for more than a decade.

    "They could have had it during Trumps's first two years in office."

    Republicans controlled both houses during Trumps first two years in office, right?

    "They want these illegals because they represent Democratic votes."

    Illegals cannot vote. There is no data showing that illegals even attempt aside from isolated incidents, and there has never been a single election that was challenged because of suspicion of illegals voting.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:33 p.m.

    @David
    "If non essential departments and programs of the government reopen with funding before immigration reform is started (ie, wall funding is agreed upon) what will cause Democrats in the House to ever take up wall funding as a topic or priority?"

    A real negotiation. Democrats would trade reinstatement of DACA for a sizeable chunk of wall funding.

    "Because there is no compromise or agreement or negotiations, the government has run out of money to fund itself & is shut down . Whose fault? House, Senate, & President."

    The Senate passed a continuing resolution with unanimous consent before the new Congress but Trump complained so the House didn't vote on it. Now in the new House Pelosi has passed that but McConnell is refusing to take up the thing that got unanimous consent a few weeks ago because it'd put Trump in an awkward spot. So there's only two people to blame. Trump and McConnell.

  • WeThePeople Sandy, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:10 p.m.

    Commenters here are correct: the Wall will do nothing about the millions of illegal's already here. That is why we need our Police to round up and deport the illegal's! Go house to house--unless people are illegal, or hiding illegal's in they're basement's, they have nothing to hide!

  • Xpat1961 ,
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:00 p.m.

    I seem to remember that the republican presidential candidate promised the American people that he would build a wall and that the Mexicans would pay for the wall.
    How is he keeping his promise by making the American people pay for his wall?
    If he gets it built, will it be called the "Trump Wall" forever? Will he make claims that it is like the wall of China, a monument to democracy and American greatness? Will he make claims that is can be seen from space?

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:00 p.m.

    silo: I bet you, like Schummer, came to that opinion on 8 Nov 2016 and that prior to that date you supported the Democrats position that a wall was beneficial.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 10:34 p.m.

    If non essential departments and programs of the government reopen with funding before immigration reform is started (ie, wall funding is agreed upon) what will cause Democrats in the House to ever take up wall funding as a topic or priority? Pelosi has already said no amount of funding will be voted on. This despite many acknowledging that for immigration reform to ever work, the system has to work—immigrants have to go through ports of entry, not stealing their way in across a border.

    This is the legislative, budgetary process of our government—the House drafts budgetary bills and passes them. The Senate votes and passes budget bills. If necessary, representatives from the House & Senate form a committee to work out a budgetary agreement. A final version is passed in both chambers & is sent to the president. If the president signs it, the bill becomes law. If not, Congress must start over. This is the process. So all parties must negotiate.

    Because there is no compromise or agreement or negotiations, the government has run out of money to fund itself & is shut down . Whose fault? House, Senate, & President.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 10:18 p.m.

    @bloodhound
    "I do not understand why some Americans do not care about about the drugs flowing across our border with Mexico."

    I do not understand why some American buy into hyperbole and exaggeration when facts are so readily available.

    80% of the drugs coming across the border do so through existing ports of entry. 80% per ICE data. Our ports of entry have walls, guards, dogs, checkpoints, technology, cameras, fences, gates, yet 80% of drugs still pass through them. A wall outside those ports of entry will do nothing to stifle the majority of the drug flow.

    "They also do not seem to care about the billions of dollars illegal immigrants cost our government/taxpayers."

    The 'billions of dollars' that illegals cost us come from the 11 million illegals that are already in the country. A wall will do nothing to deport those 11 million illegals nor eliminate their costs. In addition, the increase in illegals from year to year has been ZERO for more than a decade.

    The wall is a waste of money. The data proves it.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 10:17 p.m.

    FT: Pelosi and Schummer were a joke. CNN said they did not find any factual errors in their response but that is because they provided no facts. Trump had numbers on immigration issues, Pelosi/Schummer had rhetoric and no substance.

    Schummer was called out personally by Trump for once favoring walls and now opposing him. He didn't even bother to try to respond because he knows Trump is right.

    Pelosi/Schummer didn't even debate immigration. They tried to change the entire narrative to the shutdown. But they've had two years to work on a solution to immigration. You tell me, if the government shutdown ends, what will change that they will really negotiate in good faith this time. I will tell you - nothing. The shutdown is all their making. They could have had a solution to the border problem under Obama. They could have had it during Trumps's first two years in office. The fact is - even though they deny it - they do not want a solution. They want these illegals because they represent Democratic votes. And if a few Americans have to give their lives for it, so what? Pelosi/Schummer have blood on their hands already. What's a little more?

  • RRB SLC, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 10:01 p.m.

    The secure fence act was a scam. In most places it can be stepped over, and is nothing more than a vehicle barrier. Go south of Yuma and see the wall.

    Pelosi and Schumer both voted for the secure fence act, that accomplished nothing. Obama changed it to drones, and a "virtual border" in 2009.

    The statue of Liberty welcomed legal immigration.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:52 p.m.

    Nancy Pelosi thinks she helping the Democrats out by not working on border security.

    That is the main reason President Trump won. He needs to deliver on his promise and we for sure need to control our borders.

    The Democrats need to be part of the solution and help protect America.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:47 p.m.

    Checkmate. Pelosi and Schumer just won the match.

  • ConservativeCommonTater Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:37 p.m.

    Utah's "representatives" agreed with Trump? I'm shocked! Wasn't Trump the one they were against when he was running? At the end of the speech, when Trump stopped speaking, Chris Stewart disappeared.

    "Meanwhile, Luis Garza, executive director of Utah's Comunidades Unidas, a nonprofit Latin community organization, in a statement called Trump's speech "a list of scare tactics, misinformation, and a direct attack on immigrants."

    And of course it's no surprise that the Hispanics are against stopping illegal immigration from the south.

    When do American citizens get a fair shake on this problem instead of "special interest groups" on either side?

  • Bloodhound Provo, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:33 p.m.

    I do not understand why some Americans do not care about the drugs flowing across our border with Mexico. They also do not seem to care about the billions of dollars illegal immigrants cost our government/taxpayers. Worse, they do seem to care about crimes committed by illegal immigrants, from stolen security numbers to murder. I support the President and his stand against illegal immigration. Build the wall.

  • Dedder - Sandy, UT , 00
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:30 p.m.

    I would point our honorable Senators and Representatives to an interesting paper on the cost-effectiveness of the current border barriers created as part of the Secure Fence Act (see “Border Walls”, Morten, Allen, Dobbin, 2018). In hopes that this sort of information can encourage some serious scholarly discussion.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 8:46 p.m.

    Yes, we need border security.

    But we Do Not need more of trump's scare tactics and exaggerations aimed at exciting his base.

    We need him to act like an adult and seek a reasonable solution instead of campaigning relentlessly in hopes of being able to hold on to his desk in 2020.

  • Birdman1990 Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 8:21 p.m.

    What a joke. We both agree but can’t get anything done, except for our raises. I think a wall makes us look bad but I’m all for boarder security. Like what Pelosi and Schumer just said, more personnel and more technology. They tracked the caravan with a drone and knew exactly where they were going many miles away. Boarder patrol has night vision, atvs, cameras. A wall without the personnel and tech is useless and not worth the money or the world wide embarrassment.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 8:00 p.m.

    If a Democratic President were refusing to sign a budget without a pet project of theirs and a Democratic Congressional chamber were refusing to hold a vote on a continuing resolution that has the votes to pass, Republicans would be rightfully calling it a Democratic shutdown.

    A shutdown is the fault of whoever is trying to insert a fight into the budget negotiation. Period. End of story. You can apply this rule consistently in previous shutdowns and find clear pointers one way or the other (one for Dems and one for the GOP under Trump... the Rand Paul one was too short to really matter).