Hardnett 'going through a tough stretch,' Rose says; BYU guard's status uncertain amid reports that he's transferring

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  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 10, 2019 8:42 a.m.

    @ majmajor “Independence isn’t sustainable...” - Coach Bronco

    BYU is not independent in Olympic sports. Only in football. Independent Notre Dame played in the championship tournament (got beaten by ... Clemson). Notre Dame proves that a very good independent can make the tournament.

    BYU is very successful nationally in other Olympic sports, especially the women's teams.

    I think BYU has some issues, but football independence is not one of them. BYU has achieved a high academic ranking. It is difficult to find enough great athletes with A+ high school grades unless your program can "help" the athletes. I have no idea what BYU does but add strict LDS behavior standards to a very tough academic environment, and you may find it difficult to be competitive in football and basketball.

  • CoHawk Littleton, CO
    Jan. 10, 2019 8:19 a.m.

    Wallyball- your line of thinking could give you a coaching job on the Rose staff. When you just look at pts and assists per game you get a Rose style team! When you factor in how many points a player gives up on defense to the other team ....... you see why Hardnett is so much more valuable
    To this team. Haws gives up more than he scores. Remember that half of the game? Largest lead in NCAA tourney history ....... given up by the Rose cougars ....... embarrassment t ...... but we still scored nearly 90 pts!

  • Boisemad Boise, ID
    Jan. 9, 2019 5:07 p.m.

    BYU needs to improve its recruiting. No way it will compete with predominately Utah and Idaho players. It needs the Ainges, the Jimmers, the Kites, talent from California, Texas, Georgia, Arizona, NY, etc. Need a broader net--perhaps easier said than done.

  • DaveWY Afton, WY
    Jan. 9, 2019 3:08 p.m.

    I love Hardnett's intensity when he is in the game. Hope he stays.

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 2:07 p.m.

    Is Hardnett really the second best player and does he drive to the basket and dish off? The answer to both is no. Haws averages 17 pts and 4.8 assists per game. Hardnett 11 and 1.7 assists. In fact, even though Hardnett logs much more playing time he and Emery are the same for assists. Hardnett can get to the rim but he doesn't pass off much. As much as fans disparage Emery he has a greater upside than Hardnett. Still, it would be good if he stayed on.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 1:17 p.m.

    Mind Baggage - go for the U. of Arkansas - Monticello. Cool nickname in Boll Weevils for the men and Cotton Blossoms for women.

  • Mind Baggage Bentonville, AR
    Jan. 9, 2019 12:16 p.m.

    I love college basketball. The problem is that I am a big BYU BB fan. I'm an alumnus, Class of 92. Today I live in Arkansas. I've decided I can no longer support what very much appears to be the planned mediocrity of what used to be a great program. Is it all Rose's fault? Holmoe's? The Board of Trustee's? I have no way of knowing from here. What I do know is the team is an embarrassment and there appears to be zero urgency in turning it around.

    So, my question-- what college basketball team should I root for now? I'd like to have a team to follow and watch and support, but not sure who. I'm from Virginia originally but never got into the Cavs of VA. Gonzaga? Perhaps. I couldn't do Utes, but perhaps Utah State. I might go with the Razorbacks but they are as dysfunctional as BYU is right now. Any help?

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:50 a.m.

    Holmoe is driving BYU athletics into the ground. He hasn’t been successful as a coach or as an administrator in his career.

    Just because some played football 20+ years ago doesn’t make him a coach or manager. BYU athletic department is worse off now then the early 1960’s. At least BYU had a decent basketball team back then.

    “Independence isn’t sustainable...” - Coach Bronco

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:38 a.m.

    Pretty sure rose would be the 1st to really tell us no big deal here ... as long as his "allstar" wonderful worthington is still on this team and starting .... Wow,what a joke !

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:35 a.m.

    really azyute ?? did you really just comment on BYU Basketball ...your biggest concern should be what..like 15 out of the last 18 ....

  • pacmidmajor Springville, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:28 a.m.

    Hartnet is wise to jump ship before it sinks... The real question to be answered is if the "skipper" rose will ride the ship to the bottom or will he jump ship as well .....

  • CoHawk Littleton, CO
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:24 a.m.

    Let’s call this situation what it really is. Hardnett is a bit smarter than the rest of players who have transferred out ..... in that he is not beholden to the BYU brand. He got a technical foul at Miss St! Bad on him. But guess who else got a technical foul at Miss St?? You guessed it ...... Emery. Having watched the game ...... and being able to read lips a bit, Emery’s language was way more over the top than Hardnetts! So, if the punishment handed down was equal to the crime ...... Emery should be sitting the bench before Hardnett. Since when has Rose ever given bench time as a consequence of not doing your assigned on court job? Rose’s ability to coach fundamental bb, defense, develop talent, recruit and spot talent, deepen the bench, hold players accountable ..... especially those that he considers his stars ....... is basically non-existent! Hardnett should leave and hold to his position that Rose doesn’t know what he’s doing. Hardnett is correct and unless this team completely unfolds and people quit attending home games ..... Holmoe just won’t get it. Thanks for the extension Tom ...... the extension of misery continues!

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:22 a.m.

    I would prefer a player with passion getting a technical in a game rather than one getting suspension or probation for poor choices off the court.

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 9, 2019 10:03 a.m.

    All this team wants to do is launch 3's and play no defense.

  • packers roy, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:45 a.m.

    Robroy, I don't know if AZ. has ever played a WCC team by himself, however, if you're talking about the Utes, they beat St. Marys last year. Good luck to your team the rest of the year.

  • BlueMoonOden Hinckley, IL
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:47 a.m.

    While I am personally in favor of cutting Rose loose at the end of the season who would replace him? Someone from outside of the state with no previous ties to BYU? In any case something radically has to be done. The LP three has been a complete disappointment and the program has to move beyond.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:29 a.m.

    BYU's priority is Missions over sports. I think one should make a decision to play sports or go on a mission not both. This seems to throw the time off for player development.

  • Robroy Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:19 a.m.

    Az, yes your moral victories are impressive. Should look good on your application for the NCAA tourney. Meanwhile when was the last time you beat a WCC team? And yes you continue to lose to a faltering BYU, LOL.

    Go Cougs!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:15 a.m.

    Sounds like the coach put his arm around emery and told Harnett "You're on your own".

  • Squirtle ,
    Jan. 9, 2019 9:05 a.m.

    @let's roll - LEHI, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:01 p.m.

    "My interest in the team transferred when Chatman transferred. Doubt I will be back anytime soon."

    Yet here you are showing interest....

    Jan. 9, 2019 9:02 a.m.

    That was Roger Reid's last season 96-97. Close Enough.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Jan. 9, 2019 8:31 a.m.

    This is just the way it works with BYU basketball. Some players can make as many mistakes as they want with no adverse consequences, while other players lose playing time with one mistake. This lack of a meritocracy has been going on for a long time.

    Jan. 9, 2019 8:18 a.m.

    @wallyball do you even watch them play? Jahshire is the one guy on the team who can break down a defense and dish the ball for an easy basket.

    Other than Yoeli, the guys playing forward or center that Jahshire dumps the ball off to down low are undersized and in many cases not good enough for D1 and fumble the ball or don't fill the passing lanes when they should. When Jahshire passes the ball to the "shooters" along the 3 pt lines, well, BYU is 63rd in the nation in 3 pt attempts despite being 284th in 3 pt %. In other words they are jacking up 3's at an alarming rate despite an inability to make them.

    Regarding his shooting, the issue is his 3 pt shooting. He is 9/38. If you remove those, he is shooting 52% on the year. Granted, Haws is shooting 58% if you remove 3 pt'ers, but Haws is a major defensive liability.

    I think the issue is more coaching and the fact that the players do not have the discipline to play to their strengths. The fact that they continue to lose by the 3 pt'er is a good example of this. Dalton Nixon is 1 of 16 from 3 pt...

  • ParkCityUtah Park City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:56 a.m.

    Players don't get developed and Rose is losing it!

    Since Dave Rice left, Rose has not hired a strong staff. Mark Pope and Quincy Lewis are the only good hires and other hires are his 'comfort food'.

  • Meckofahess Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:56 a.m.

    The basketball program at BYU sad to say is in a "Meck-of-a-hess" - shucks!

  • BYU Sports Nut Heber City, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:42 a.m.

    I like this kid, he is a good player. BYU is his third school! When the going gets rough he seems to check out of the hotel rather than working the situation out with management. I hope he will choose to stay, be coachable and work hard to help the team win no matter what his role is.

  • TaxpayerinUtah Utah, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:31 a.m.

    This is only an indication of deeper problems in the BYU BB program. I really like Dave Rose, but I think that it is now time for new blood in the coaching ranks. Dave Rose has down a great job, but I think that his time has passed. A clean sweep would be the best for the program. A great coach is just down the road and actually lives much closer to campus than does Dave Rose and who would love to get the program back on track (Mark Pope). Please don't hire anyone now sitting on the BYU bench!! That would just be continuing what is bad there.

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:15 a.m.

    Before we totally blame Rose for this situation, it might be worth noting that Hardnett is a junior and this is the third school he has been at. Hardly a model of stability.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:18 a.m.

    Like last year, byu peaked when they played against us & it’s been all downhill ever since.

    Losing this kid would be a remarkable event for them & devastating to their program.

    byu’s fortunate they don’t have to play against us again, particularly after we just pummeled a team on the road that beat #1 KU/Mississippi State & took another into OT on the road that’s lost merely 4 home games in the last 7 years or something like that.

    Go get yours JH!

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:09 a.m.

    “15 years ago we'd have never lost to these teams.“

    Didn’t byu go 1-25 or something like that back then? I’d have to look it up.

    SMC is easily a better program overall than byu & have proven it repeatedly in the wcc.

    Go Utes!

  • JazzConvert ,
    Jan. 9, 2019 7:09 a.m.

    Very typical of Rose, unfavorite player make a mistake and they get pulled from the game. Favorite players ie. Childs, Haws and Emery, never get pulled for a mistake or two. Rose does a poor job developing players abilities and confidence. I would say Rose has been going thru a tough stretch for the last 10 yrs and this yr is no different. Will Rose please retire so this program can get good again, its horrible watching the same results.

  • 83Ute Ogden/Weber, UT
    Jan. 9, 2019 6:10 a.m.

    @Kaysville (10:29 pm):

    "None of us have the insight as to what is going on in the locker room/practice facility. It is terrible news though that Jashire is leaving the team. Poor choice by him..."

    I agree that none of us have insight to what is really going on. That being said, how can we conclude that it is a poor choice? If we don't know, we don't know.

  • Eastern CO Coug Elizabeth, CO
    Jan. 9, 2019 5:30 a.m.

    Hardnett is a great player and saved the day with Pacific and Rose continues to punish him and yanks him out immediately after one mistake. I can think of his favorite player throwing the ball away multiple times and shooting way too much when he is having a horrible game and season last year and several games this year and never being pulled. This is unwarranted. Rose has his favorites. Rose needs to retire or be retired. The team and the fans are headed down big time. He was the most athletic guard. This 40 year plus fan is going to stop watching this team as protest for Rose's unfair behavior. 4 slow and mostly unathletic guards and a forward are taking this team nowhere. The PC protect BYU in all things D News will likely not publish this post.

  • Strike the Steel Newman Lake, WA
    Jan. 9, 2019 1:48 a.m.

    You know who else is having a tough stretch? Dave Rose. Maybe he needs to ride the bench for a while. Seems like coach is quick to discipline a player for not doing his job but Holmoe won't do the same.

  • Drano USA, 00
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:45 p.m.

    As if a “home crowd” could fix the obvious ailments of this team. That is nothing but code speak for Rose trying to put lipstick on a pig. One, Hardnett is a point guard who is accustomed to having the ball in his hand. Guess what he and other players are doing a lot on offense? Standing around watching a certain guy dribble, jack shots and not distributing the rock like a PG does. It is great this guy scores his points, but the question is: at what cost to the overall chemistry of the team, the flow of the offense (if there is one on this team) and the possible contributions of other players?

    Second, Rose does play favorites. His favorites, anyone from within the state of Utah has a right of passage over non-Utah high school players. Other players see this, saw it and transferred out and potential future out of state players will avoid BYU because the word is out.

    Third, Rose doesn’t want to hear what BYU fans think. He feels he has done more than any previous BYU coach and the school owes him. Thus, the 4 year contract extension.

    Finally, add all this up and we the fans of BYU men’s hoops get a bad product.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 11:01 p.m.

    My interest in the team transferred when Chatman transferred. Doubt I will be back anytime soon.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 8, 2019 10:29 p.m.

    He deserves to start. Cannon doesn’t. He’s a way better all around player than Cannon. I don’t blame him for being angry. Rose doesn’t always play the best players. He plays favorites. He can’t keep the better players. This is NOT a normal attrition.

  • kaysvillecougar KAYSVILLE, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 10:29 p.m.

    None of us have the insight as to what is going on in the locker room/practice facility. It is terrible news though that Jashire is leaving the team. Poor choice by him and I hopefully he doesn't transfer because he got benched. But boy is this bad news for the Cougars. Jashire can get to the rim and finish. I love that. He is a terrible jump shooter though, so I hope he doesn't think he's going to shoot more on another team. Here's hoping the best for Jashire and the Cougars.

  • 76Cougar Raleigh, NC
    Jan. 8, 2019 10:01 p.m.

    This team is a huge disappointment. I have had it with Rose’s emphasis on offense and lip service to defense. The team needed a shutdown guard against St Mary’s and the only one we had, Jahshire, was sitting on the bench. I was disappointed when Emery was reinstated. Even more so now that Jahshire is the one who is losing playing time to him. I expect very little from this team for the rest of the year.

  • RememberBYUwinning13of14? Murray, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:59 p.m.

    Was calling for Rose to step down or be fired 3 seasons ago. We should be dominating this league outside of Gonzaga. There isn't a team we should lose to except Gonzaga. Year after year we see BYU losing to St. Mary's, and the LMU's of the league. 15 years ago we'd have never lost to these teams. Time for a change.

  • KLL Coug Visalia, CA
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:56 p.m.

    We wish him the very best no matter the choice made. Hope he elects to graduate first. Mid April is 100 days away.

    Jan. 8, 2019 9:49 p.m.

    Being upset about not starting for a couple games and getting a technical foul don't speak well to Hardnett's attitude. Hopefully he can get it under control. Otherwise, there always seem to be some coaches that will put up with that behavior. If he stays or leaves, I wish him well and hope things turn out for the best for him.

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:46 p.m.

    The challenge is that Hardnett wants to be a shooting point guard, but is not a good outside shooter. He doesn't distribute the ball well and has a low assist statistic. It's rumored that he has made it known that he will be a graduate transfer at the end of the season regardless. He sounds like an unhappy player that may not be a team first guy.

  • slackoff green river, WY
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:41 p.m.

    This is pathetic, just when you think it can't get much worse, the top co most reliable player gets shafted for who? For what? I j.g ave always been a big fan of Holmoe but I am starting to think he is not capable of doing what.needs to be done. I am about done, after 60 years.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:30 p.m.

    I don't know what Hardnett said to that player in the Miss. St. game. That to me seems like a very small thing compared to the ncaa infractions by another player. Coach Rose should maybe be more concerned about the assistant coach who got whistled for a T in the same game. What kind of punishment should he get.
    I for one am sad that J. Hardnett is transferring. He has been on rock on this team this year when others are playing like jello.
    Good luck to Jahshire. I wish he would stay, but wherever he goes, I wish him well.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 8, 2019 9:09 p.m.

    Does no one in byu's sport hierarchy understand that the issue is Rose? Do they not understand that he does not give playing time based on ability, but rather personal likes - evidently. Do they not comprehend that he does not develop players or the team throughout the year or over the life of the student/athlete on the team?

    Anyone who aspires to play at a higher level after college would be lacking in sense to come play for Rose if there were other options. There are always other options.

  • Stanton Spokane, WA
    Jan. 8, 2019 8:41 p.m.

    This news report is another demonstration of the poor status of BYU basketball. Each year, players either leave the team early for professional basketball or transfer to other schools. Each year, the team has the same problems: poor defense, poor shot selection, turnovers, and inability to win on the road. Now, mid-season BYU has alienated one of their prior starter players. Does Hardnett deserve to be on the bench? This likely isn't the important issue. Rather, shouldn't the concern be on why another player is so quickly considering transferring away from the team? Could the basketball program be disappointing the players in some ways? What's the trend?

  • Sanefan Wellsville, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 8:40 p.m.

    Looks like Rose is going to chase off another player who will eventually be a star on a better team.

  • DodgerDoug Salem, UT
    Jan. 8, 2019 8:16 p.m.

    It will be a real shame if we lose our second best player.