We need border security. listen to what border patrol has to say. We know what Mitt thinks: he agrees with the "popular kids" in
hollywood and dc. Look how "popular" he is now that he's trashing
trump. Yes, I voted for Mitt for prez long ago. But would not now.However, I keep my Trump support quiet. It's not that I want to sit at
the table with the popular kids, but I don't want to subject myself to the
trash talk I get when I share my ideas/opinions with the "tolerant"
lefties. Think "great and spacious building".
The president is holding 800,000 plus citizens hostage for political purposes;
anyone who supports him in this is as culpable as he is for hurting these
Why do Democrats object to a barrier Presidents Clinton and Obama advocated
for?@ Utefan60 According to 60 Minutes Nancy Pelosi made $25
million in stock transactions using insider information Congress had access to
and Congress could act on, but which would be illegal for ordinary citizens.
Why don't you tell us how much George Soros, Hillary Clinton,
Al Gore, etc. benefited from the tax break. If you think Democrats
occupy some moral high ground, you are wrong. Politicians from both parties
wallow in the slop.@ Samson "the media could have more
power to influence than all three branches of the government combined, but, they
waste their power lowering themselves into the partisan fray."Very insightful and descriptive of our age.The real @Thomas
Jefferson would understand the mechanics of government and know their
weren't enough Republicans to get the 60% votes needed.@ Zzz
"The GOP has yet to prove to me that they are a party that can govern
effectively when in power, and do little more than obstruct when not in
power." See above
Jan. 10, 2019 10:35 a.m.So it is the American working men and women and
their families who are paying dearly for this pathetic failure of this
ridiculous government. How have we allowed this to happen?Voting for
"...but Republicans digging in on wall"========Ya'know, I've never heard of a one-sided stalemate.When
it comes to "digging in" on the issue of funding a border "wall"
(barrier, fence, impediment, whatever you want to call a more secure border)
versus funding important but "non essential" parts of the government,
**both** Republicans and Democrats are doing it.It is the same thing
when it comes to the national deficit/debt, which has been exploding for decades
regardless of which party holds the purse strings. Name any of the many
seemingly intractable problems that our country has been unable to address
(crumbling infrastructure, drug addiction, ineffective immigration control,
etc., etc.), the root cause is the same.The bottom-line cause of all
this nonsense is a voting electorate that is and has been, for a long, long
time, DIShonest with itself. In a country that is of, for and by **the
people**, it is WE who are to blame!This kind of partisan blindness
at the expense of the nation is precisely what has prevented me from joining any
You know, to be quite honest, I am far and away more afraid of you conservatives
posting here than I am of any immigrant, legal or illegal.Serious.
"Like the president, Utah Republicans in Congress aren't willing to
give in on funding for a wall, though some have taken to calling it a
"barrier" or "border security."Rep. Chris Stewart
said he wishes Trump wouldn't use the word wall."-- I wish
Stewart would stop lying. Trump wants a "wall" not "border
security". A wall by any other name...Good luck next election
The reason it's Republicans "digging in" is because they are the
ones that shut down the government. A government shutdown occurs when someone
demands that a budget includes something new that the other side doesn't
want to go along with. Under Obama the long government shutdown was by the GOP
demanding a defunding of the Affordable Care Act, that defunding being a new
policy change. That's why it was a GOP shutdown. Eventually they gave up on
their fight and opened up the government.Last year Democrats shut
down the government demanding reinstatement of DACA. It was a Democratic
shutdown even though the GOP controlled the House, Senate, and Presidency. After
a couple days they gave up on their fight and opened up the government.Now, the government shut down because of two things. 1. Trump wanted to put
wall funding into the budget, thus picking a fight and shutting down the
government, just like he said he would. 2. McConnell is refusing to hold a vote
that would reopen the government via a measure that had passed the Senate a few
weeks ago. It's a Republican shutdown. They are the ones that are feeling
the public pressure.
“If stupidity got us into this mess, then why can't it get us
out?” ~Will Rogers (1879-1935)
This article was published as a news piece not an editorial. But the headline is
“Republicans Are Digging In”. Not a single word acknowledging that
Democrats have built wall sections or that virtually all of the recent
Democratic leadership have advocated for a wall and more border security in the
recent past. Not a word about the huge costs to our citizens as a result of
inadequate border security. Why no mention of digging in by Democrats?
Zzzzptm: "The GOP can stand with him, or they can do the right thing and
vote to keep the government funded."Too late for that;
they've shown us they're standing. They had two years to get
something done and to no surprise, led by Mitch McConnell, did nothing. Trump
said he'd take ownership for the shutdown, but again to no surprise, blames
it on Nancy Pelosi going to Hawaii, the Democrats, anyone but him."We're going to win so much, you'll be sick and tired of all the
winning". Well, he got the sick part right.
The GOP has had all branches of government for the last two years. But only now
does this become an 'emergency'. What happened to "Mexico will pay
for it"?Two years and what did the GOP do? Gave a giant tax cut to
Why chose as the photo the Jr Senator?
@TRUTH - Salt Lake City, UT"Even Cher, came out this morning
saying a Trump is winnning. Polls show 70% of Americans believe the border is in
crisis, so our reps in DC are correct with the exception of McAdams! Even this
Mensa member believes the border is a crisis and supports the POTUS."=
= = = =Please cite which specific polls show that 70% of Americans
agree with Trump on his "manufactured" border crisis. Yea right a Mensa
If the Republicans are staying aligned with Trump to secure re-election,
I've got news for them, Stick with Trump and become unemployed! Open up the
government, country before party!
SoCalCougar1985 said "The obvious solution to this mess is to suspend pay to
all Congress members until the mess they have created as a whole is resolved. If
they aren't doing their jobs they shouldn't be payed; and that
includes NO recuperation of wages lost. Let's then see how much longer they
would be willing to politicize this problem that has been ignored for far too
long."Absolutely the best answer to government shutdowns.
So it is the American working men and women and their families who are paying
dearly for this pathetic failure of this ridiculous government. How have we
allowed this to happen?
Democrats shut down the government because they are against border security.
On TV last night they showed a TSA agent grousing about not getting a paycheck.
I thought back to December 27th in the Salt Lake airport. I was waiting in a
line that doubled back on the skybridge and clogged the escalator.Agent one announces to all of us that we should leave our shoes and belts on
and leave our laptops in our bags.Agent two contradicted the
instructions AFTER our stuff was on the belt, and he simply took our belts and
shoes and tossed them on the belt, several customers after we put our stuff on
the belts.Then he accuses me of having tissues in my pockets (I
didn't).In short, it was chaos in the screening machine and as
we collected our stuff.If these are the folks not getting checks, I
don't see that as a bad thing.As for the border, call your
congressmen. There is no excuse, either party, for the mess they created.
Curious why the headline doesn't read "Democrats dig in on the
wall". There are two parties here and both have dug in yet it is
"assumed" that the Republicans need to cave. I love the President Trump
is finally standing firm on immigration and a wall after numerous Presidents of
both parties promised and failed. God bless President Trump.
We need border security in these trying times more than ever. We need the
security system that a wall provides. If a nation is unable to control who
enters it will not be long until it is no longer a nation. America is not and
should not be a dumping ground for illegal immigrant people wanting free
Esquire...You've asked for evidence about why it's
important that we secure our borders. You seem to ignore what you want to ignore
and continue to push a far-left view of immigration.The facts are we
have a crisis at the border. We've had this for years. No other president
or governing body has had the will to do anything about it. All we hear are
promises but nothing ever gets done. The wall has been an issue for decades but
has been a preverbal can being kicked down the road...We must secure
our borders, especially the border between the US and Mexico. The main role of
government is to keep us safe. When you don't have control, when you have
no idea who is coming into our country, especially in this age of terrorism,
drugs, and other devastating crimes, then something must be done. The wall is an
essential component to the solution. Comprehensive Immigration Reform also
includes technology, x-ray scanners at the point-of-entries, drones, more border
patrol, etc. All this costs money. Five billion is just the tip of the
iceberg.Open borders must not be an option. We are a sovereign
nation that must protect it's citizens by securing the southern border. Any
A pox on all 535 of them.The "shutdown" is because Congress
did not pass their spending bills on time. Because they refused to debate and
make hard choices before the statutory September 30th deadline. But they had
time for lengthy vacations and electioneering.It's a 3 way game
and the Prez, the Senate and House all have to approve a spending bill, and any
one can hold up the deal for what they insist on. This is not Trump's
fault any less than it is the fault of the Senate for not passing the spending
bill in December which had wall funding, or the House's fault for not
adding wall funding now.What is truly obscene is the hypocrisy of
the Democrats who in previous years have been all for building border walls, but
now refuse because Trump is President. That proves this is not a policy
disagreement, but mere opportunistic partisanship from people with no principles
and no respect for the truth. But, they do have the ability to say one thing
one day and the exact opposite the next and get away with it.Build
the wall now. And totally defund congressional salaries for any year they
don't get funding done on time.
It is amazing that this fight is going on over border security. Why? come on,
the country is at stake.
When Democrats shut down the government a year ago over demands that DACA be
reinstated, Republicans weren't saying that the solution is that they
should let some of the Dreamers have protections as a means of compromise. Why
would they? Compromise isn't "okay, you get some of what you want and
in exchange we get nothing". Seeing how silly that looked and how obviously
at fault they were for the shutdown Democrats caved after 3 days.So
why should Democrats do that now? This is the Trump/McConnell shutdown. If Trump
wants a wall that should be part of a separate immigration reform discussion
(and if you're worried about leverage to bring Democrats to the table...
you don't need to take federal hostages, they still want DACA).
So hilarious reading comments by liberals here. "Trump's wall,
Trump's shutdown, rich GOP members benefiting from lower taxes, Republican
congress that didn't fund the wall, blah, blah, blah..." There is
nothing Trump is proposing that wasn't first proposed by numerous of his
Democratic predecessors, including the almighty Obama himself. There are plenty
of rich Democrats also benefiting from GOP tax cuts. I haven't heard of a
single one of them upset to the point that they are donating their savings back
to the government. It takes 60 votes in the Senate to pass a budget, Republicans
have never had that kind of majority. The obvious solution to this
mess is to suspend pay to all Congress members until the mess they have created
as a whole is resolved. If they aren't doing their jobs they shouldn't
be payed; and that includes NO recuperation of wages lost. Let's then see
how much longer they would be willing to politicize this problem that has been
ignored for far too long.
"Republicans digging in on wall""Democrats digging in on
Even Cher, came out this morning saying a Trump is winnning. Polls show 70% of
Americans believe the border is in crisis, so our reps in DC are correct with
the exception of McAdams! Even this Mensa member believes the border is a
crisis and supports the POTUS.
Aren't the Democrats digging in too? It is all in the headline or point of
view of the other side who is digging in.
And again, we have no idea where Mitt stands...
Behold the parable of the government shutdown. Me: "I'm
hungry; how 'bout we eat at Taco Bell tonight, Love?"Wife:
"I'd rather have Chick-fil-a." Uh oh, we have
conflicting positions... who "wins"? Only people of the
worst character imaginable would insist that their kids starve until the other
gives in and gives them their way. So after some discussion, we
end up eating at Carls, Jr. You might say, "But neither
side got its way!" But then again, I'm eating tacos
and she's eating chicken, and neither us nor our children are going
hungry. So who lost *really*? Moreover, the
process of solving our problem didn't leave our relationship so ruined that
we won't then be able to work together to decide the next thing. People are and will always be different; it is a fact of life. Consequently, good leadership is and will always be a process of
mitigating differences to find a way to do right by those who are depending on
your leadership. Compromise isn't weakness, it's the
job!If our politicians can't see this, and be this, then they
are the wrong people for the job, and we voters need to resolve to fix
that. Thanks for listening.
@ worf, here are some responses to your questions:1. You ask,
"Where was the concern when Americans lost their jobs to low wage workers
coming across the border?" Where's your proof? You have none. I read
about one farm that paid full benefits and high hourly wages but could not get
Americans to do the work. How many Americans are willing to clean offices,
hotel rooms or rest rooms? Not many. Immigrants are doing what American's
won't do.2. You ask, "Where is the concern for Americans
being taxed for their medical care, education, and other benefits?" Guess
what? Immigrants pay taxes, even the illegal ones. Your argument is bogus.3. You ask, "Where is the concern for Americans being drugged,
killed, and kidnapped?" Really? How many? I'm betting when those
things happen, and rarely, most are done by US citizens. You make alarmist
statements with no facts. Terrorism? It is almost always done by white, young,
male U.S. citizens, not immigrants. Is the boogeyman living in your
neighborhood?Try some real facts next time, worf.
Will someone please explain how this is all on the Republicans & how the
poor little Democrats are trying to do the best they can for the American
people?Both parties are to blame!
What about Chuck & Nancy?Utah members of Congress worry about
federal workers but Republicans digging in on wall
The Republicans have hitched their wagons to Donald Trump. They have to support
him regardless of whether or not Trump is right, moral, honest, presidential
Elections matter. The Republicans don't have the votes to pass this and
they need to stop holding the entire nation hostage. They didn't shut down
THE government, they shut down OUR government. If they can get two-thirds of
the house and senate, they can do anything they want. If not, then the reality
is they have to propose legislation that is acceptable to majorities in both the
house and the senate. It is time for Republicans to recognize that Trump
isn't King and the majority of Americans don't want a useless wall.
If nancy and chuck were concerned about US citizens, rather than illegal
immigrants and political points, they’d fund the wall and end the
Bishop.. continue to blame
” rightly so. dems can provide the funding and end the shutdown,
just as the GOP gave clinton and BO their additional funding and ended their
shutdowns.ben says the impasse is unproductive. ben, tell your
master to fund the wall.Old manI’ll vote to oust ben.
The GOP caved to clinton and BO, nancy and chuck can relent to trump. God is a
gentleman and will respect our wishes that he remain out of our society.Zzzptm, MelioristThis belongs to nancy and chuckJaneBThe organized illegal caravans create their own crises.MillionNot so, the senate dems stopped it.djcgood
thing trump gave us such a strong economy to start with, so it can withstand
these pressures. When BO shut down the government the economy really
suffered.Cougfan60Allowing mitt to KEEP more of his own money
is not giving him anything. Your claim of a gift erroneously assumes everything
belongs to the government in the first place, and only by the government’s
grace is anyone allowed anything.
We get the government we deserve. Both parties are spending the American
peoples money at unprecedented levels. Whether its for more food stamps,
faster jets, higher border walls or weekend golf trips to Florida country clubs
it still our money. The GOP, bolstered by Trump's base, enabled this
President to shut the government down. They and he can open it by this
afternoon but they have decided getting 5 billion more dollars to build a few
miles of wall is worth the pain and suffering of a million of Americans. Trump
promised to shake up the establishment and he's done exactly that.
Trump is not making America great; he is making it crazy. The federal workers
who contribute the most to our government are now ask to pay the price of the
arrogant insanity. How is that good or right.
I like what Mike Lee said. Not so excited about the rest of the Utah delegates.
We need to build a wall, period. This should be unanimous and completely
bipartisan. Once a quality wall is built then we can all move on! We've got
to stop making this so political.I blame the Democrats. Their
impasse suggests nothing more than complete political partisanship. They
don't really care about border security. If they did, they would swallow
their pride, allow our government to build the wall, and continue to strengthen
our southern border. If this were a democratic president suggesting this, Nancy
and Chuck would be all for it. As it is, anything that Trump tries to do to,
irregardless of it's merits, is automatically scorned by the left.Which goes to those who want universal healthcare or Medicare-For-All. Can you
imagine if our health care was left to the federal government? What an absolute
failure and catastrophe that would be! Or even worse...The Green Deal. This
makes me truly fear for my kids and grandkids if either of these things were to
The American people have elected a divided government. To me, that says the
American people want their elected leaders to compromise, not do nothing in the
form of a stalemated government shutdown. Let's increase border security
by sensible measures that are the result of compromise on both sides.
@ JaneB - Wilsonville, ORWhere are you getting your statistics?
Million -- Do you realize that it takes 60 votes in the senate -- The house
passed the bill in Dec as you say but the republicans didn't have 60
senators to pass it. They would have had to have 10 democrats to vote for it and
there wasn't even 10 with enough guts to get it done. That has been the
problem all the time, they need 60 votes on the budget bills and the Democrats
have refused to help. So before you say what they should have done you need to
understand that 51 republican can't cast 60 votes. The Democrats are only
against Trump and care about nothing else.
When it comes to border security, I have one question for the wall naysayers.
How will a fence, virtual monitoring, drones, or even an actual concentrated
gathering of border agents stop the caravans from entering the US? Even the
hint of possible success of the first caravan spawned multiple larger caravans.
If illegal immigrants see the mass groups succeeding, we will see that as the
preferred method to enter our country. Only a physical barrier can deter this
kind of lawless invasion.Another thought...Did anyone notice how
disingenuous and outright deceptive all the "Fact Checkers" were? They
conflated immigration with illegal immigration (a very common leftist tactic) to
make the President "wrong". I get the lack of trust that President
Trump has engendered but the media is going down the same road.It
really is a shame...the media could have more power to influence than all three
branches of the government combined, but, they waste their power lowering
themselves into the partisan fray.
Just the Republicans "digging in" on the wall? You think this might
just be a biased headline?When Pelosi says the wall is
'immoral'; when the Democrats refuse to even consider a compromise;
when Pelosi and Schumer refuse to agree to any money for the wall -even if Trump
were to 'open' the government? This isn't fake news, it is
highly biased news from the MSM.
Watching our political leaders is like watching two three year olds with one
The picture of Mitt Romney actually made me wonder about some things that the
GOP has done. Mitt released his income and it was shown that due to the
GOP's give away to the ultra rich, he benefited around $10 million more in
his pockets due to the reduction of the corporate tax rate.I highly
doubt that this shutdown will hurt him financially as it does the hundreds of
thousands of others. The Koch Brothers obtained about 40 $Billion
more in tax breaks, as did the Walton Family. Trump may have put a $ billion
back into his own pockets. Why not ask those people including Romney who
received so much out of the people's tax coffers to fund that wall?Just between those four families almost 100 ?billion was given. Now
they can fund that wall. Or maybe they can fund other public projects? Mitt isn't hurting financially due to the GOP. The many Government
Employees that help run this country sure are!
I notice that in advocating for the wall, Mr. Lee failed to mention that Trump
promised that Mexico would pay for it...obviously none of our esteemed
representatives have any qualms about charging their constituents for Mr.
Trump's boondoggle while paying lip service to those workers who are not
being paid. And just to clarify, government contractors only get paid when they
work and will not be given back pay. When the Cruz/Lee shutdown transpired in
2013, I was working as a contractor and was never repaid the salary I lost.
Stop pay for congress with no back pay and I guarantee the shutdown would end
and there would be no further shutdowns.
This shutdown maybe the straw that breaks the economies back. People aren't
being paid, but are required to work. This in effect makes them slaves.
Communities and businesses aren't getting the business they need to
survive. Our Congressional delegation shows a complete lack of compassion,
understanding, or even human kindness. The folly of the whole thing is that a
wall will be useless to stop so called illegal immigration. People will go over,
under, or around any wall. Meaningful immigration reform is needed, not a wall.
But what can one expect from the Utah Congressional delegation?
Some questions:1. Where was the concern when Americans lost their
jobs to low wage workers coming across the border?2. Where is the
concern for Americans being taxed for their medical care, education, and other
benefits?3. Where is the concern for Americans being drugged,
killed, and kidnapped?
This is why, after 40 years as a registered Republican, I recently changed my
registration to "Independent". Neither party represents my views, and
neither party seems to care about the American people and this great nation.
Although this reflects my pessimistic view of the government, let me say that I
still have great faith and confidence in the people of this nation. Perhaps we
can find a way to express to our legislators and executive the desire that they
What would happen if ALL the people being forced to work without pay were to
stand up and say "NO! We are going to stay home!"trump and
the GOP would cave in within a day after federal prisoners went without guards.
After every airline flight had to be cancelled. After the border was left
without officers. After our national parks really were closed down and
EVERYTHING Americans depend upon our government to do for us ground to a halt,
trump and his pals would have met their match.Bullies never seem to
know what to do when their victims stand up and fight back.God Help
People are suffering. The shutdown is effecting lives! The partisanship is
breaking the US apart. Representatives have got to compromise! No more extreme
positions. No more fear mongering about assylum seekers or pandering to am
If they really cared about the thousands of federal workers, and the thousands
of federal contract workers - who will never get paid, they would put pressure
on Mitch McConnell to let them vote on the exact same bill they passed 100 - 0
in December. Then, if the President vetoed it, they would do what is best for
the country and over-ride the veto. They are more worried about what
Trump wants than what the American people need. They are more
worried about their own re-election primary campaigns than they are about the
Trump blew his chance when the Republicans controlled the House and the Senate
two weeks ago
+1 this is Trump's shutdown.He actually bragged about it in his
meeting with Schumer and Pelosi.
There is no crisis at the border. Immigration is the lowest point in years. The
only crisis for Trump, is losing his base. That is what this is all about,
nothing more. He has admitted as much, and he should not be rewarded for
manufacturing a crisis, playing silly games with federal worker's financial
security, and trying to scare everyone into believe immigrants are dangerous.
Oh, and also threatening to declare a fake state of emergency. The man is
desperate.I'm very sad to see the GOP go down to it's
lowest common denominator these days. It used to be the party of Reagan, who
said "we don't need the bigots".
The GOP could have had this already if they had agreed to DACA. This is
Trump's shutdown, he took ownership of it on national television. The GOP
can stand with him, or they can do the right thing and vote to keep the
government funded. The GOP has yet to prove to me that they are a party that can
govern effectively when in power, and do little more than obstruct when not in
power. This Trump shutdown is not improving my view of their capability to
Let's remember this at the next election and vote them ALL out.