This dialog is pretty useless without a focus on the threat posed by Donald
Trump, an instantiation of fascism.
Can we finally get over this story? What is happening today makes Watergate
look like a walk in the park - yet the mainstream media (including Woodward) are
strangely silent now. Governments and the gutless politicians therein will
always lie, deceive, cheat and ignore what is best for the majority of the
American people. The Founders had an underlying mistrust of a central
government - and rightly so as we see today. These are the same people who want
to take our guns away and control our health care? I'm not betting my life
on these folks!
I see another Woodward book on the horizon.
The crimes of Nixon involving Watergate pales in comparison to what is happening
this very moment with Donald Trump....
So, exactly why did Bob Woodward want to proceed with the conversation? Is he
reviewing history and making corrections to his opinions?
@Marxist : "My pointing out Trump's Great Birther Lie (GBL) is no
innuendo. Please explain your ignoring of GBL."There simply was
no "birther lie". Obama had an absentee, non-citizen, father and spent
his early years in Indonesia. It was very reasonable to ask to see his birth
certificate. Obama delayed release and played the race card, acting like it was
racism to even be asked. But it was based on the facts of his complicated
hisyoty; not race at all. Ironically, when he finally did release his
birth certificate, it was Trump who publicly acknowledged it and said the
question was now answered. Trump actually ended the birther "question".
There was never any "lie".All this can easily be
corroborated by internet history of what Trump actually said; not the straw-man
versions written by "pundits".
@illuminatedTrue statement, unfortunately the brethren of the Church
silence about an evil coup attempt by corrupt anti-American politicians to
overturn an election is deafening. They should identify evil when it exists
otherwise the members of the Church remain in a divided state of opinions,
quareling amongst each other. It’s time for them to take a stand against
the terrible revolution taking place in this country.
After the chief priests tried to tempt Jesus into making a political statement,
Jesus cleverly responded, "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be
Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.". Later,
when Herod tried to goad Jesus into making a political statment, Jesus
"answered him nothing."I think as representatives of the
Lord, the brethren should be very careful to not appear to take political sides
or make political statements. In light of our political climate, where
many on one side of the political spectrum are relating our current
President's action to Watergate, there needs to be care taken to not appear
to be taking a side. Especially when the investigation is incomplete, and
there is yet to be found any substantial evidence to support such claims.
Add to the fact that Bob Woodward has said some very disparaging things about
President Trump, this screams political bias to me.Brother
Christofferson, you have now devoted your life to the Lord's work.
Let's stick to teaching His saving principles, not the Washington
Post's political agenda.
A close relative of mine worked for a U S Senator before Richard Nixon was
president and told me that everything was and was considered
“bugged” and that devices were found all the time. I have been
waiting all these years to hear about the criminal investigations, charges and
convictions relating to those crimes and many sorts of others consistently
committed by government officials.. Public opinion - point, aim, fire.
@RiDal "But we all know that, to this point, it is all just vague innuendo,
straw-man arguments, and wishful thinking from the Left. "My
pointing out Trump's Great Birther Lie (GBL) is no innuendo. Please
explain your ignoring of GBL.
Watergate is insignificant by todays standards and no longer relevant. A simple
plan to spy on political opponents, Republicans got caught and the President
covered it up to protect the party. Compare that to a political party taking
campaign money, resources, political favors from enemies of the United States
then casting those sins onto a newly elected President and using partisan
operatives in the Department of Justice to conjure a false investigation as
means to overturn an election is the Highest possible form of Treason against
the people of the United States.
Watergate shook the country; it should be examined continually. But, to think
that this is simply a look by Woodward to know of Sirica's response to the
tapes is naÏve. Woodward, along with the mainstream media, want to destroy
Trump. Any parallels Woodward can draw to Nixon and Trump is his overarching
goal. Love or hate Trump, that's not the question, it's
Woodward's seemingly innocent desire about Sirica's response that
masks his hidden agenda with this interview. In this political climate,
honesty and fairness is an ACCEPTABLE LOSS by The Press because they find
Trump so odious and that he is so at odds with their own political views. But when reporters betray the ethics of their profession, that of not
putting their finger on the scales when they report a story, they also betray
the American people.
Woodward just trying to stay relevant.
Note that in Watergate, there was a real crime that was being investigated.The Mueller team is simply **looking for a crime**. Huge difference.
buckfishing: How are we sure that Trump is not part of the swamp?Seriously, I am disturbed by the common practice of every recent president not
to enforce laws congress has passed, but instead, to issue executive orders if
congress doesn't do his bidding. Multiple examples from the last two
presidents, and from others before them as well.
I had a neighbor who claimed Nixon was given the shaft, too, but I guess he
didn't realize that Dick Nixon used the FBI, the CIA, the IRS and other
federal agencies to harass private citizens, just because they were his personal
political enemies. And when he resigned he stated he had "lost his
political base" and so that's why he quit. The country was much better
off without him, believe me! I didn't think we could ever have a worse
president than Lyndon Johnson, then we got Nixon. And a few since then have
been worse than that.....
A fascinating read. A few thoughts:1-One more example that
leadership of The Church of Jesus Christ are far more experienced and in touch
than many give credit. 2-I honestly wonder whether the Watergate
break in and coverup are rare, or common in terms of integrity and honesty.
Post Watergate we have had Iran-Contra and Bill's perjury. Long before
Watergate, we had LBJ's and JFK's rampant adultery. There was also
FDR's long running affair and his active concealing of his health problems
from the American public. While these earlier lies were not criminal, they
certainly show a lack of integrity and honesty among our highest elected
officials going back quite a way.3-What about the media? Whether the
media was merely ignorant of infidelity, too delicate to discuss it, or
willfully helped conceal it can be debated. No debate the media actively helped
FDR conceal his health problems, then actively questioned Reagan's health.
Merely a change in times? Or, partisan favortism?History shows
powerful men often do ill. The media holds itself out as our watchdog. What do
we do when the media is, instead, powerful men showing overt partisanship
helping certain men hide their sins?
Integrity and Trust, What we can learn from Watergate. Personally I think this
gathering in Washington DC is the wrong event in the wrong place. Most people
want integrity and Trust but in the hyper polarized environment having this
conference is the wrong thing. It will just give more fodder for either side.
Nixon took zero money from my pocket, and many justices on the Supreme Court in
the last 10 years, have tried to do just that with attacking capitalism. Worse
things going on in 21st century. Let us forgive what happened in early the
1970's and move on.
I remember the impact on the military classification system in Europe in
1971-1972 due to Daniel Ellsberg and the Pentagon Papers. That timeframe and
tapes were related to the mental status of President Nixon when his
administration was trying to show Ellsberg’s mental status.The
break-in was not known to Ellsberg or to the public until it came to light
during Ellsberg and Russo's trial in April 1973.However, this
some of the tape in the Oval Office that wasn’t granted Executive
Privilege status. “To the ordinary guy, all this is a bunch
of gobbledygook. But out of the gobbledygook comes a very clear thing.... You
can't trust the government; you can't believe what they say; and you
can't rely on their judgment; and the – the implicit infallibility of
presidents, which has been an accepted thing in America, is badly hurt by this,
because It shows that people do things the president wants to do even though
it's wrong, and the president can be wrong.”President
Nixon’s comments in the Oval Office are telling as he talks with his
Chief-of-Staff.People need to realize history repeats itself.
Nixon was definitely the fall guy, but there were a lot more guilty politicians,
etc. . . . Do you own research on this. Watergate was just the tip of the ice
berg and the crimes that were not exposed would make anyone cringe. Trump is
draining the swamp and hopefully he can get it done sooner than later.
Nixon's standing was deteriorating in 1972 but it wasn't until the
tapes were discovered and the transcripts released that his presidency was
doomed. It's entirely possible that Nixon could have survived Watergate had
those tapes not been discovered. This is why it's important to allow
investigations to run their course. It's entirely possible that President
Trump has done nothing worthy of impeachment. As of right now, there are no
smoking guns that implicate Trump in major illegal activities and such evidence
may never materialize (either because the evidence doesn't exist or because
Trump hasn't committed major crimes). But if we don't allow the
special prosecutor to conduct a thorough investigation we may never know if such
evidence exists or not. Similar special investigations typically take 4-5 years
(and up to 8 years) and Mueller's investigation isn't even two years
old. We could be waiting for another few years before knowing what Mueller
discovered and that's okay. Let justice run its course.
I knew Nixon was a crook from June 1972 when I first heard about the break-in at
Watergate. It sounded just like the sort of thing he would do.
As someone who voted for Nixon and watched nearly every day of the hearings, I
can say that virtually everyone initially thought he was innocent. Even when
things began to unravel in his story, it was hard to believe that our President
could stoop so low. Bob Woodward has been a respected journalist for all these
years and, along with Elder Christofferson, is able to provide valuable
understanding and insight... especially for those who were too young (or not
born yet) during that tumultuous time. It should be a lesson to all of us that
history can...and usually does... repeat itself.
Hmm, might be interesting to hear what Elder Christofferson says during the
event.I read that stocks fell 14% in one month during Watergate...
and I've also been listening to some rogue economists who claim that either
the failure to get a Brexit deal for the UK with Europe or a Trump impeachment
will trigger a global economic meltdown that will snowball during 2019 and
spread like a contagion. Of course truth must come before stock
prices and housing foreclosures.I just want to be warned, with
something like an economic weather forecast.
The Liberal-Left is desperate to create a Watergate-like scenario with Trump.Woodward is hawking books, and his lifetime claim-to-fame is the Watergate
investigation.If there were any evidence that Trump had committed a crime,
I would be the first to call for prosecution. But we all know that, to this
point, it is all just vague innuendo, straw-man arguments, and wishful thinking
from the Left. When the investigation goes from "the allegations of
Russian collusion" to "let's just find anything about Trump that we
can claim is a crime", you know it really is just a witch hunt.
In light of current allegations that Trump was/is involved in something far more
nefarious than Watergate, it's useful to put things in context by having a
conversation with one of two people to originally hear the tapes. Those tapes
were the smoking gun that brought down Nixon, and so to understand that in
juxtaposition with the seeming lack of evidence of the same caliber against
Trump is timely.
What? wrj Sandy UT, 11:21 am, no this is about history. Important history we
must not allow to happen again. To say: "Well it’s easy to
figure this out, Bob Woodward is a far left liberal, and Elder Christofferson
Embraces social justice." is Ludacris. This article and the information
therein has absolutely nothing to do with political leanings of those who sough
to correct wrongs in our government. It had everything to do with a Whitehouse
steeped in criminal behavior.For the Watergate crimes and
obstruction of justice President Nixon would have been impeached in the House
and convicted in the Senate had he not resigned and been pardoned. If not for connections that protected other persons involved, others would
have gone to prison too. Even a Utah favorite son.
Probably to sell his book.
Does anyone have a dead horse I can kick?
Easy to figure this out - Bob Woodward was in pursuit of the truth, and Elder
Christofferson just endorsed his efforts in the Watergate scandal. My
grandmother went to her grave insisting that Nixon was framed.
Well it’s easy to figure this out, Bob Woodward is a far left liberal, and
Elder Christofferson Embraces social justice.