Publicizing that IRS employees are not working is probably the best way to
gather even greater support for Trump. Fund and build the TrumpWall!
@Frozen fractuals....For bills that were more comprehensive and included some
pieces Dems wanted and some pieces Republicans wanted. They weren't voting
on "build a wall and do nothing else".So I guess Mexico paid
for the walls that are built that are working then since your Liberal Socialist
Democratic party has never funded a wall..........as you try to assert!Nice try!
IRS? Now that is a gov't worker that I hope gets a looooonnnnnnggggg shut
@taking a stand for truth"Every one of you leaders voted for the
fencing in the past"For bills that were more comprehensive and
included some pieces Dems wanted and some pieces Republicans wanted. They
weren't voting on "build a wall and do nothing else".
While my sympathies lie with the workers. It is hard for me to imagine
they are destitute, when they haven't missed their first paycheck
Come on Dem party leadership. Stop the nonsense. Everyone knows there are
problems at the border and, just like the approx 400 miles of border fencing, we
need more and better fencing. Get the job done. Every one of you leaders voted
for the fencing in the past and put up a lot more than the $5.7 billion Trump is
asking for. Get on with it. Protect our frontiers and get these workers back.
There is nothing immoral about doing that. You are wasting a lot more money than
the cost of the wall by not taking this action.
While it's true that back pay isn't garunteed, it's a bit
premature to complain about what hasn't happened yet.There is
strong precident for back pay, it's a virtual garuntee, and if it's
not given I would be highly critical of trump for that. You
can't blame one side, both are holding firm. From my perspective, only one
side is offering something, the other side is engaging in a personal political
battle. Things might look 50/50 now, give it some time, wait until
the debates when democrats argued that walls don't work. It's a game
that will be won 22 months from now, furloughed workers getting vacation +
checks will all be forgotten, but a rediculous stand to object to something that
the democrats voted for a few years ago will be the fulcrum for the re-election
of Donal trump.
The men and women and families of Fed workers are paying for this shut down.
Ridiculous. When will those clowns in Government actually begin serving for the
Greater Good. Stop the childish squabbling and temper tantrums. America deserves
Utah has a multitude of Federal Contracts that relies on Federal funds to
complete their part of the contracts. There are so many
implications for employees and services.
DN Subscriber - Cottonwood Heights, UT---Nonsense.Remember, all the "non-essential" employees (of the 1/4 of govt
agencies not funded yet) are not showing up for work because of the shutdown.
But, they will eventually get back pay, including for the days they
did not work. So, it is a paid vacation for them, albeit their paycheck for not
working may take a while to arrive.---At the moment it is not
a 'paid' vacation. There requires legislation to allocate 'back
pay', and that is not an absolute guaranteed item.In order to
pay for bills today, those not receiving pay checks today, may have to take out
loans, dip into savings, or perhaps even receive eviction notices, today, and in
the coming weeks.Loans have interest, dwindling savings interest
losses, and of course, and even if eviction doesn't happen, the costs of
dealing with such will not be reimbursed.From other news, even the
White House appears to be in arrears on paying the water bill because of the
shutdown. Perhaps the water company should shut down the service till the
account is brought up to date.Trump claimed ownership of the
shutdown, so make him pay.
Nonsense.Remember, all the "non-essential" employees (of the
1/4 of govt agencies not funded yet) are not showing up for work because of the
shutdown. But, they will eventually get back pay, including for the
days they did not work. So, it is a paid vacation for them, albeit their
paycheck for not working may take a while to arrive.They can wait
until the Democrats are willing to fund border security and then they will get
paid. It's the Democrats who are using them as bargaining chips.
Sympathy for these folks for sure. These folks are the ones who cannot be fired,
have perks that those in the private sector dream about, have retirement plans
envied by anyone else. Who take of with pay on every Holiday ever conceived.
After this is over they receive the pay they missed. An unexpected paid
vacation. The private sector suffered the past eight years of an failed
I am sick and tired of Nancy and Chuck's attitude toward their fellow
Americans and national security...
@London"Polls are wrong and stats are always skewed to whatever
point seeks to be made. If polls were correct trump wouldn't be president,
but he is, voted in by the people the polls seemed to forget. "Excuse me but the polls were right, Clinton received approximately 3 million
more votes than Trump. "He'll win this sad battle, Chuck
and Nancy will feel an avalanche of stress starting tomorrow - and even if they
don't cave trump will declare an emergency and this gets done."Not so simple, my friend. A President cannot simply expect any
emergency declaration will go unchallenged. His behavior and statements have
all indicated that this is more a political strategy than an emergency issue.
Waiting after two years of his presidency to make a big deal now when illegal
crossing are actually decreasing.
My late father spent his adult life working for the IRS and the Social Security
Administration. How he could have supported five kids and paid a mortgage
without any income is beyond me. We all would have suffered.My heart
goes out to those government workers whose lives are being played with by Donald
This is what we get with a two party system. The extremists run the place and
they thrive on being obstinate. Also it might be fun to joke that
'we dont need the IRS' or 'just keep the government closed'
but it is a very foolish attitude that will cost us money in the long run.
Not one federal employee cared when I got laid off or the company shut down.Nobody donated food or money to our house.Yes, this is
completely ridiculous and sad and it is disgusting to see politicians play with
people's lives. Maybe, the next time federal employees see
American workers getting laid off or their job shut down they can sympathize
with the pain.
At this point it is political suicide for either party to cave. Both sides are
blamed to some level for the shutdown and who ever caves is viewed as not having
a backbone and not representing their constituents .Both need a win.
Dems need a DACA concession and Trump needs some level of boarder security.
Both need to come off saying they won
First of all, how hard hearted must someone be to tell a hard working federal
employee, doing work for the American public, tough luck. Especially those
working without getting paid. Have you no sympathy?Secondly, the
false statistics tossed out from some unknowable source claiming that Democrats
are responsible for past shutdowns ought to be tossed in a junk heap. Are we
still getting Russian troll information through unvetted sources leaking into
the news? Or do some people just make things up? Either way, it damages the
public when false information is distributed, more so when done for political
purposes.Lastly, it is impossible for me to believe that Trump
supporters would clap their hands over an unConstitutional move by the President
to use funds designated for other purposes to fund his egomaniacal wall.
Don't you people believe in the Constitution? All spending originates in
the House of Representatives. This principle established by our founders to
insure that "the Peoples House" would be the voice of America in
spending issues. To satisfy the whim of a would-be oligarch is to demean our
Constitution, Democracy and the Founders.
Pelosi and Schumer could end this is 6 seconds. Federal workers- get
a job in the commercial sector and discover how the rest of us manage.
We really don’t need the IRS
@london_josh "He promised them the wall."On
Mexico's dime. Time for him to keep his entire promise."He'll win this sad battle"He already lost by not
working a compromise before January 3rd. Now the real pain hits. SEATAC is
reporting passengers missing flights due to security screening delays caused by
TSA agents going out "sick" and Miami airport has announced plans to
close one of their terminals early for three days because of TSA screener
shortages. Air traffic controllers will probably start staying home soon, the
FBI is feeling adverse impacts, Federal prison workers may not stay at their
jobs much longer without a paycheck, and some border patrol officers are suing
the Trump administration over their missing pay. The worst/best part is each day
the number of Americans laying blame for the shut down on Trump grows.
A Voice: "This could be resolved in 60 minutes or less. The house, the
senate and the President all agree to fund employees' wages and pay it.
Pass and sign the bill and it's done - they get paid. ...Why don't we
pass funding for all the stuff we agree on"Good question. The
answer? Trump.The Congress did pass a bipartisan funding bill in
December. The President had promised he would sign it. But then he watched TV
and changed his mind. He reneged on them. The House passed the
exact. same. bill. just last week but Mitch McConnell refuses to let it come to
the floor of the Senate for a vote. (It passed 100 - 0 before Trump shut down
the government). Mitch is afraid it would pass...again. He is protecting
Trump.The House has put forth 4 bipartisan bills - to fund each of
the agencies completely unrelated to immigration. (The stuff we agree on). They
have offered to work on immigration if Trump will end the shutdown. He has
refused. A 60-minute meeting? Trump only lasted 15 minutes in the
last meeting they held, before storming out. (He admitted he did so in his own
tweet, "I said 'bye-bye!"). This is all Trump.Congress needs to pass a bill then over-ride Trump's veto.
Federal employees, furloughed during shutdown, are eligible for unemployment.
@frozenWell, at least a republican president cracks the top 5
longest shutdowns now, to join Bill and Barack and Jimmy in that crowd. Polls are wrong and stats are always skewed to whatever point seeks to
be made. If polls were correct trump wouldn't be president, but he is,
voted in by the people the polls seemed to forget. He promised them
the wall. He'll win this sad battle, Chuck and Nancy will feel
an avalanche of stress starting tomorrow - and even if they don't cave
trump will declare an emergency and this gets done.In the end the
debate is about as effective as Jim Acosta today - declaring that the wall
isn't useful because the wall didn't see illegal immigrants - while
GMA watch the border patrol catch dozens without a wall.When the
debate hits open floor, the dems stand against logic. This is the
re-election issue for trump, and he's winning it.
@london_josh"Obama had shut-downs, it's not that uncommon"There was one under Obama, and it was caused by Republicans insisting on
defunding of the ACA which was an already established law. You mentioned the
DACA one though a year ago, that one is a Democratic shutdown which is why I was
happy that Democrats abandoned that nonsense after only a couple days even
though I support DACA."but I expect the pressure to hit
Republicans but boil the democrats. "Partisans have their biases
but those in the middle attribute shutdowns to the group demanding something be
added, like DACA in the previous one, and the wall in this one. So I expect it
to be the other way around which is so far what polling is showing.
@bass679I have compassion for those employees, however what
you've posted is an exaggeration. You see, the paychecks
haven't been stopped, tomorrow would be the first day that they are
stopped. How can a daycare have already suffered as a downstream result of a
projection?Perhaps the IRS employee isn't using the daycare as
she's home with her kids this week. But she hasn't missed a paycheck
yet. I don't like the shutdown, but the thing about it is, I
also don't like being a nation of ignored laws. As one might imply from my
name, I'm an immigrant, our laws are amazingly generous to immigrants, and
I have no tolerance for breaking them. Obama had shut-downs,
it's not that uncommon, the last one was for DACA. The trend seems to be to
shut down the government for the good of non-citizens - I can't agree with
that.I hope it doesn't last, but I expect the pressure to hit
Republicans but boil the democrats. In the end either it's a
compromise, or Donald declares an emergency, either way that wall is built and
he gets huge credit for it being built - it will be debate fodder and he'll
win that. It's sad that these are the rules of the game.
@lost in DC"BO shut down the govt a couple times to get the funding he
wanted. the opposing party eventually gave it."The ACA was
already established law. The Republicans shut down the government trying to
implement something new, defunding the ACA. The side demanding something new
eventually gave in.The Democrats a year ago shut down the government
trying to get DACA reinstated... they, the side demanding something new, gave in
after a couple days."trump has shut down the govt to get the
funding he wants. the opposing party should give it."The
equivalent scenario here is that the group that shut down the government
demanding their new alteration gives in. That is Trump, the side demanding
something new.Remember at his meeting with Pelosi and Schumer when
Trump said he'd be happy to take the mantle of shutting it down? There was
one little thing he noted. It was something like "you tried it last year and
it didn't work". He was referencing the Democratic shutdown demanding
DACA. It didn't work, they gave up. Trump is the one demanding something
new, picking this fight. This ends when enough Republicans give up.
Thought about federal employment a few years ago and decided against it because
I didn’t want to be without a paycheck in the event of a prolonged
government shutdown. I understand you “want to work,” but you chose
an occupation where work stoppages can occur. If you wish to avoid these
interruptions in the future find a new employer.
"if they want a consistent paycheck, stay away from anything that does
business with the Federal Government."When the next big recession hits
in about a year, I bet you won't be saying the same thing.
clinton shut down the govt 3 or 4 times to get the funding he wanted. the
opposing party eventually gave itBO shut down the govt a couple
times to get the funding he wanted. the opposing party eventually gave it.trump has shut down the govt to get the funding he wants. the opposing
party should give it.federal employees who remain should look at the
pattern of an increasingly fractured and partisan govt and prepare for
contingencies in advance. I know, easier said than done, but wise men have for
generations counseled those who would listen to set aside resources for days of
@London_JoshIt all flows downstream though. For example, my mother runs an
in-home daycare. One of her clients has 2 children and works for the IRS. So
not only is that lady not working but because of the furlough my mother's
business is also suffering. Business she patronizes will be hurt as time goes
on as well. There is NO upside to this furlough.
Both parties are fighting, and neither care about federal employee's lives.
Several years ago, I left federal employment because of the juvenile pettiness
within the federal government. The Democrats, and Republicans are
using these people as pawns, but the simple fact that the Federal Government
actually does little that influences its citizen's lives, and has a
hyperinflated purpose. National Defense, and Diplomacy are the major rational
for the Fed's existence. (and Trump continues to damage those
institutions)When they can, I would recommend that these federal
employees get a job in a professional business environment. The petty nastiness
will continue for at least the next two-years; if they want a consistent
paycheck, stay away from anything that does business with the Federal
No Government = No taxes! Keep the shutdown going.... PERMANENTLY!
As the shutdown hits locally expect to see the pressure on the GOP, Trump and
Democrats to increase. Millions of people will suffer for an argument over 5
Here is the most ridiculous part of all this. This could be resolved in 60
minutes or less. The house, the senate and the President all agree to fund
employees' wages and pay it. Pass and sign the bill and it's done -
they get paid. Even if the shutdown continues (though I imagine that is the
majority of the cost). This one major issue that is negatively impacting so many
is even easier to solve than the overall childish issue. Why don't we pass
funding for all the stuff we agree on? So that Democrats can tell their
supporters the Republicans shut down the government and held back workers wages,
and so Republicans can tell their reporters that the Democrats shutdown the
government and held back workers wages. The reality is they both did. They are
both ignoring the fact that they both agree the government should operate, that
the workers should be paid and should be working. They ignore the fact it is
completely solvable. Why? So, they can blame the other side with those
sympathetic to their position. Stupidity at its finest.
The pressure will get enormous for Chuck and Nancy soon. They champion big
government and entitlements, their base will be screaming at them soon.Meanwhile, sorry for the people, but do I feel sad that the IRS is shut down
right now? Not especially sympathetic to them!