Will honesty and integrity be on trial in 2019?

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  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 11:46 a.m.

    @silo
    "Cite ANY measurable statistic where you believe the Clintons were less honest than Trump. Any measurable statistic."

    number of women that claimed that their sexual assault rose to the ultimate level

    number of people killed then rationalized by an anti-Muslim video

    number of bullets claimed to be shot at by snipers

    number of emails claimed to be lost

    etc.

  • mez Denver, CO
    Jan. 16, 2019 1:53 a.m.

    marigold--Bob Woodward makes an excellent point about truth in the media in the panel discussion the DN had with Woodward and Elder Christofferson. You would like hearing the whole thing. The Q & A at the end are very good.

    Aside to answer your question--I think it's very likely Obama thought people could keep their doctor--many did and many others couldn't. It doesn't mean Obama planned to lie about it.

  • mez Denver, CO
    Jan. 16, 2019 12:41 a.m.

    "Will honesty and integrity be on trial in 2019?"

    Yes. What will we tolerate?

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 7:08 a.m.

    Didn't Barack Obama state that Hillary Clinton was the most qualified person to be President in the history of our country?

    Was a bigger mis-truth ever spoken?

    Of course, Obama supporters will just pass off that statement as his opinion.

    🤔

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:14 p.m.

    Donald Trump is far from perfect, but he sure is a heck of a President!

    Bill Clinton and Barack Obama had their own "challenges" as well.

    God bless America.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Jan. 14, 2019 6:55 p.m.

    NeifyT - Salt Lake City, UT
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    @Edmunds Tucker,

    According to the Bible (I note you are quoting from the Mormons' scriptures); Sarah was indeed Abraham's sister (half sister anyway);
    ---

    The story of Abraham, his Wife and the Pharaoh (Genesis 12), is an example of misrepresentation, since Sarah was both half-sister and wife, and Abraham chose not to reveal the marital status. Abraham apparently didn't learn his lesson well, and the story was repeated(Genesis 20) with a different ruler.

    But in any case, Abraham was never really punished for his lies.

    Is that the take away lesson for the present era?

    If the underlying lesson is that 'lying for a greater good' can be justified, what are the grounds.

    Lying to save Jews from death camps. Is that justified?

    Most of the lies that the article pointed to, such as lying about cheating, etc. were to save the person from some sort of justice. The lies where not justifiable on any ground such as preservation of life.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 6:29 p.m.

    @counter intelligence
    "OR: claiming Bill and Hillary were more honest requires willful blindness on an epic scale"

    Cite ANY measurable statistic where you believe the Clintons were less honest than Trump. Any measurable statistic.

    Number of lies, severity of lies, number of affairs, number of harassment lawsuits, number of insults thrown, number of bankruptcies, number of illegals hired, number of labor lawsuits. All lean overwhelmingly against Trump.

  • jeclar2006 Oceanside, CA
    Jan. 14, 2019 5:44 p.m.

    NeifyT - Salt Lake City, UT
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    I have gone back through the video archives of many different news sources; and found that the Obama administration was still perpetuating the lie about the video being the reason for the Benghazi attack for THREE full weeks after the attack, even after the main stream media finally started becoming skeptical themselves the administration kept up the lie, until it was proven false by the media, then they finally admitted it had nothing to do with the video.
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    There is a problem with this, in that in many, many instances, there exists a national 'interest' to not actually state the truth. Eisenhower's denial that the US conducted spy plane flyovers of the Soviet Union, until Gary Powers was shot down, comes to mind.

    In such cases the choice is either 'no comment' which is almost a guaranteed affirmation of the claim, or a 'denial', a lie, or The Truth, and perhaps may be considered an act of war.

    But in the case of Trump, the pettiness of the lies and misrepresentations, is beyond understandable in terms of such national interests.

  • Prometheus Platypus Orem, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:56 p.m.

    Edmunds Tucker "Ironically, then Candidate Trump, spoke the truth, and now President Trump speaks the truth."

    Really, cause I have yet to hear a speech where he uses the truth, not one, not during his campaign, not during his presidency, not in his childish tweets.

    Can you point me to one honest speech by our president? I know it's like the perjury trap, good luck.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:47 p.m.

    @Edmunds Tucker,

    According to the Bible (I note you are quoting from the Mormons' scriptures); Sarah was indeed Abraham's sister (half sister anyway); yet they got married. What does that say about the family tree? Man marries his half sister, has a son who goes on to marry his first cousin once removed; that son also has a son that goes on to marry not one but two of his first cousins!

    Inbreeding was just a part of their culture back then.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:49 p.m.

    Re: "Can anyone say with a straight face that our current president is "honest, wise, and good"? Anyone? Anyone?"

    Of course not. But, therein lies the problem.

    We haven't been faced with a genuine choice of an honest, wise, and good candidate for several generations, now. That leaves us with having to choose between bad and not-quite-as-bad.

    It is certainly also true that no one could, with a straight face, suggest that Hillary was a more honest, more good, or more wise choice than the President. So, we, like generations of our forebears, were stuck with deciding which would do the least damage to the Nation.

    The President, with his healing of the economy; his lessening of "the capital's" regulatory and economic strangulation of "the districts;" his honoring of his commitment to appoint judges and justices that will use the Constitution as a guide, rather than as an epithet; his recognition of the evil in dictatorial enemy regimes and the need to control our borders; and his championing, rather than abandoning, God's Chosen People; has definitely shown entitlement to the designation of "lesser-of-two evils."

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:46 p.m.

    @Edmunds Tucker:
    What truth does trump speak that the media doesn't want to hear? The media reports what trump says. If he says something that is true it will come out as truth. When he says something that is not accurate and provably false (5,000 times so far) then it is easily proven as false.
    So far there have been 5,000 provably false claims trump as made. How is that the media's fault?

    As for him being a self made billionaire, you may want to check the facts. trump inherited over $450M. He lost it. He's been loaned billions of dollars since he lost his inheritance and he's lost the money on those loans six more times. He's lost so much money he can no longer get loans from American banks, he has to go to Russia to get loans now.
    Had trump put that $450M inheritance into index funds he would truly be a billionaire today. Instead his wealth is questionable, at best.

  • stand up for truth Lehi, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:34 p.m.

    It is one thing to be wrong or state something wrong unintentionally. But to give bold-face lies to anyone is completely over the top and wrong.

    Both parties have been guilty of this. And the media has been outrageous about this as they spread half-truths and spin their lies as well. It really is an insult to the public who are played off as pawns.

    Everyone should take a stand for truth and challenge any lies. If the truth can make us free then lies can corrupt and bring us into bondage. Demand better than this from political parties and the press, whether DN or others.

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:32 p.m.

    @Frozen Fractals
    An honest and informed person would not say that the video was a cause of the Benghazi attack when they knew on the very day that it happened that it was not the cause.
    An honest and informed media would not allow the "cloud of war" narrative to be unchallenged until Obama could obfuscate culpability
    An honest and informed Obama administration would not prosecute video director Nakoula Basseley Nakoula as a scapegoat for their guilt (at last report he was homeless in LA)

    @silo
    "To claim Trump was elected Hillary because he was less dishonest is a dishonest statement in any measurable capacity."
    OR: claiming Bill and Hillary were more honest requires willful blindness on an epic scale

    @Irony Guy
    "Can anyone say with a straight face that our current president is "honest, wise, and good"? Anyone? Anyone?" I cannot - but i can state completely sober and straight faced that he is better than the provided alternatives (incl. Clinton Gilliibrand, Hirono, Harris, Schumer, Schiff, etc.). I can also state that i prefer uncouth and boorish over manipulative and passive/aggressive

    @NeifyT
    Exactly DN "Civility" seems to have a distinct bent

  • Edmunds Tucker , 00
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:18 p.m.

    Ironically, then Candidate Trump, spoke the truth, and now President Trump speaks the truth. The majority of journalists writing in Washington didn't want to hear it. How do we know? He is a self made billionaire, and doesn't have to make promises to donors and tell them what they want or need to hear.

  • Edmunds Tucker , 00
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:19 p.m.

    Book of Abraham. Chapter 1. 22 And it came to pass when I was come near to enter into Egypt, the Lord said unto me: Behold, Sarai, thy wife, is a very fair woman to look upon;
    23 Therefore it shall come to pass, when the Egyptians shall see her, they will say—She is his wife; and they will kill you, but they will save her alive; therefore see that ye do on this wise:
    24 Let her say unto the Egyptians, she is thy sister, and thy soul shall live.
    25 And it came to pass that I, Abraham, told Sarai, my wife, all that the Lord had said unto me—Therefore say unto them, I pray thee, thou art my sister, that it may be well with me for thy sake, and my soul shall live because of thee.
    Genesis 12. 14 ¶ And it came to pass, that, when Abram was come into Egypt, the Egyptians beheld the woman that she was very fair.
    15 The princes also of Pharaoh saw her, and commended her before Pharaoh: and the woman was taken into Pharaoh’s house.
    18 And Pharaoh called Abram, and said, What is this that thou hast done unto me? why didst thou not tell me that she was thy wife?
    19 Why saidst thou, She is my sister?
    Early fake news.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:11 p.m.

    Re: "Will honesty and integrity be on trial in 2019?"

    Unlikely. The Dem Deep State seems too deeply entrenched.

    Fortunately for the Nation, the honesty and integrity of Obama's appointees to his [in]Justice Department -- particularly the "non-partisan" FBI -- has already been so thoroughly besmirched by the truths belatedly and reluctantly released by a lapdog media, that no trial is necessary to cast a real-life re-make of "Seven Days in May," with Lyin' Jim Comey in the Burt Lancaster role.

    There are so many other Deep-Staters to be cast in the other conspiratory, secret-combination roles that such a re-make would constitute a genuine, star-studded Washington blockbuster.

    While no one argues the President is a paragon of either honesty or virtue, it's the semi-anonymous and wildly ambitious Deep-Staters, along with their unindicted co-conspirators in the "mainstream" media that are genuinely scary.

    Our Nation has survived a great number of political cads, but the danger of secret combinations is patent -- though their members may be less so.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:42 p.m.

    In electing leaders, say the LDS scriptures, "Honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil." (Doctrine and Covenants 98:10)

    Can anyone say with a straight face that our current president is "honest, wise, and good"? Anyone? Anyone?

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:29 p.m.

    @Frozen Fractals,

    I have gone back through the video archives of many different news sources; and found that the Obama administration was still perpetuating the lie about the video being the reason for the Benghazi attack for THREE full weeks after the attack, even after the main stream media finally started becoming skeptical themselves the administration kept up the lie, until it was proven false by the media, then they finally admitted it had nothing to do with the video.

    Washing was being briefed in real time as the attack occurred, if they didn't understand the gravity within the first couple hours I would give them a pass. But within 24 hours after the attack there is no way they didn't already know that it was a very carefully planned out attack that had nothing to do with the video at all; yet they kept the lie up for three full weeks.

  • freemale221g Orem, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:17 p.m.

    Honesty and integrity have been on trial since the before the earth was created and will be on trial until the second coming of the Savior. I like many posters find it interesting how honesty and interity is now an important topic by the media because Trump is president, but was given very little consideration when Clinton was president and made somr pretty big lies like with Monica Lewinsky and the big lie Clinton told about their being a terrorist crisis in order to keep the senate from impeaching him until the new year when a new senate was sworn in. Or when Bush Jr. lied about there being WMDs in Iraq as an excuse to goto war. Or Obama and his administration who told as many lies daily as the media accuses Trump of doing including Benghazi being caused by a video, Obamacare, and Hillary email scandal. Where was the level scrutiny by the media during the previous 3 presidential administrations or even during any presidential administration that occured before Trump. Only now because Trump beat Hillary despite the media saying it was catagorically impossible, that honesty and integrity becomes important. Why now and not before???

  • freemale221g Orem, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:14 p.m.

    Honesty and integrity have been on trial since the before the earth was created and will be on trial until the second coming of the Savior. I like many posters find it interesting how honesty and interity is now an important topic by the media because Trump is president, but was given very little consideration when Clinton was president and made somr pretty big lies like with Monica Lewinsky and the big lie Clinton told about their being a terrorist crisis in order to keep the senate from impeaching him until the new year when a new senate was sworn in. Or when Bush Jr. lied about there being WMDs in Iraq as an excuse to goto war. Or Obama and his administration who told as many lies daily as the media accuses Trump of doing including Benghazi being caused by a video, Obamacare, and Hillary email scandal. Where was the level scrutiny by the media during the previous 3 presidential administrations or even during any presidential administration that occured before Trump. Only now because Trump beat Hillary despite the media saying it was catagorically impossible, that honesty and integrity becomes important. Why now and not before???

  • Woogyboo SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:19 p.m.

    Sad State of affairs. Pun intended. Maybe I believe that Trump's lies are more prolific because he is in the news more often but I question those that still believe in him as a great leader.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 1:08 p.m.

    @Counter Intelligence

    "Is the DN pining for the good old days when Susan Rice declared Benghazi was caused by an anti-Muslim video (which she knew was untrue but Obama needed to win an election in a couple of weeks)?"

    An honest and informed person would say that within a couple weeks of the attack (and still weeks before the election) the administration had come out and said the attack was separate from the worldwide protests that same day that were in reaction to the video.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:56 p.m.

    @usalover
    "Donald J Trump is the most courageous President in the last 100 years "

    Courageous?

    Donald J Trump as a civilian drew 5 medical deferments from Vietnam due to bone spurs. Deferments which recently were alleged to be falsified as a favor to Trump's father to keep his son from serving.

    Donald J Trump as President saluted a North Korean general almost a year before he saluted his first deployed US service member.

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:55 p.m.

    @marigold
    "Pelosi's candor, actually, that we have to pass the law to find out what is in it"

    That's not what Pelosi said, and that's not what Pelosi meant.

    The text of her speech is readily available online, as is the context details and audience details of that speech.

    Yet, here on an article about honesty and integrity, you misrepresent Pelosi's words in your comment targeting Pelosi about her honesty and integrity

  • silo Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:48 p.m.

    @counter intelligence
    "Honesty and integrity were on trial in 2016 - that is why a man as bombastic as Trump was able to beat the Clintons"

    Bill and Hillary clearly have their issues, but there is no measurable, objective data that has Bill nor Hillary anywhere near the same arena as Trump in terms of ethical, moral and legal lapses. Not in quantity, not in severity, not in frequency.

    To claim Trump was elected Hillary because he was less dishonest is a dishonest statement in any measurable capacity.

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 12:02 p.m.

    Will honesty and Will honesty and integrity be on trial in 2019? be on trial in 2019?

    Probably not. However, dishonesty and corruption will be, when Mueller files his report.

    It's not looking good for dishonesty and corruption this year as the enabling GOP, won't be able to keep protecting a corrupt administration so that they can push thru their pet projects, of giving to the wealthy and corporations, while leaving hard working Americans on the hook for Donald's vanity wall of waste.

    Got to love the Trump fans, can point to individual lies, some not even that, from previous leaders, where room would not allow even a small percentage of Donald's many, many, many falsehoods.

  • NeifyT Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:56 a.m.

    “You can go with the flow when it comes to consuming news. You have to be proactive … be critically questioning about the information you see.”

    Yet every time I try to critically ask questions about the news on this website, I get blocked! A bit of a double standard there; for such a news agency to be running this whole series; but not allow people to do what the series is telling them to do (such as be critical of the news being broadcast).

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:58 a.m.

    Honesty and integrity were on trial in 2016 - that is why a man as bombastic as Trump was able to beat the Clintons

    It is truly a sad period in time when an un-tempered Trump is (and remains) the better alternative

    Is the DN pining for the good old days when Susan Rice declared Benghazi was caused by an anti-Muslim video (which she knew was untrue but Obama needed to win an election in a couple of weeks)?

    The fact that the media is just now considering "honesty and integrity" is telling regarding the state of the media

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:36 a.m.

    Donald J Trump is the most courageous President in the last 100 years and the best policy President in my life time.

    May the haters of the President choose to love truth and the country more than they hate the man.

  • skich01 Highland, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 10:08 a.m.

    It's become obvious that the value of "truth" has been out-weighed by the desire to maintain power and authority on one side and the preservation of one's own paradigm on the other. Whether we are talking about politics, religion, economics or philosophy very few of us are willing to lay our "sacred cows" of closely held beliefs upon the altar of critical thinking and allow for the possibility of being wrong, and open ourselves up to a change of mind. The information age has provided unlimited sources of confirmation bias that allows us to dial in the exact recipe of "fake news" to fit our present view of the world. In that bubble of tailored disinformation we can all prove the cliche that ignorance is bliss, and the only time we can suffer the discomfort of cognitive dissonance is if we accidentally tune into the wrong channel, or talk to the wrong person. I'm highly suspicious of any "expert opinion" coming from sources that have an obvious bias and an institutional power structure to serve and protect. Consequently, your special report that tends to point the finger in one direction rather than in all directions (including back at itself) seems to be more of the same.

  • Marigold Provo, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:46 a.m.

    Am I missing something in this article? Was the Obama administration held under the same scrutiny? I remember the big lie about being able to keep my doctor under the not-so-affordable health care act...Pelosi's candor, actually, that we have to pass the law to find out what is in it...the former administration's insistence that Benghazi's terror act that killed a U.S. Ambassador (and others defending him) were the results of a video...Ben Rhodes's admission that the Iran Deal and the money sent to Iran on an unmarked plane were the results of an "Echo chamber" the previous administration deliberately created on a hapless media...I could go on and on. Please, give me an article that is fair and balanced. I'm not trying to excuse any tall tales from the current administration, but so far, with the constant media scrutiny and, bias, there are no tall tales and President Trump is very open with the press. Perhaps, if the press were put under the same daily microscope we'd actually have news reporting without the obvious bias.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:21 a.m.

    Truth is very precious; it is a rare commodity anywhere on this planet. Not even all of what are termed to be facts are completely true, if true at all. Errors in observing, which are extremely common. Errors in analysis which are common, especially when biases, even unintended biases are taken into account. The killing of Jazmine Barnes in Houston is a prime example of unintended bias at best. Opinions clearly drive assessment of facts; especially in deciding which facts to emphasize and which to discount or ignore. It may be productive to examine untruths, examples of which could be labeled as : euphemisms; partial truths including so-called half- truths ( implying half -lies ); truths with some of the truth omitted deliberately, or even ignorantly; statements based on wrong information, to some degree, or incomplete information ( and when do we ever know if the full story is known ? ); opinion-driven statements made as assertions in a given political stance. We have been subjected to the above from the time we heard an advertisement or a cause promoted from time immemorial. Quite a problem we have; time to rely on the 'grain of salt' method or Missouri's "show me" attitude.

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:01 a.m.

    A discussion among media elites about the honesty and integrity is pretty much sending foxes to discuss how to best guard chicken coops. Especially when the Associated Press and CNN are involved. The "news media" should be the target of investigations about honesty and integrity, rather than the inquisitors.

    While the Trump administration rightly deserves criticism for its misrepresentations, those of Democrats certainly are at least as egregious. Clinton was convicted of lying under oath and disbarred. Obama's health care promises and Iran deal are phony as anything Trump has said. Hillary Clinton's shady "Foundation" and her illegal email arrangements are very far from the truth, even if not yet proven to be actual criminal acts.

    Given the reported 90% or higher negative coverage by the media towards Trump, we must note that "lies" include failing to report the whole truth and selectively reporting to hide favorable information and sloppy vetting of negative tidbits.

    The truth is important, not Orwellian doublespeak about the truth, or the propagation of "news" which is false or incomplete.

    Heal thyself!

  • Hugh1 , 00
    Jan. 14, 2019 7:58 a.m.

    Today, we are confronting outright, bald faced, naked lies on a daily basis that undermine national sovereignty.

  • bill4570 ,
    Jan. 14, 2019 7:31 a.m.

    It is sad that someone has to feel the need to hide or alter the truth in an effort to make gains for his or her own way of thinking. "You can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all the time." Eventually lies and untruths have a way of coming back to haunt you.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 7:30 a.m.

    A lot of Utahns believe, away from politics “ that governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for their acts in relation to them, both in making laws and administering them, for the good and safety of society.”

    Most of those same Utahns also believe “that no government can exist in peace, except such laws are framed and held inviolate as will secure to each individual the free exercise of conscience, the right and control of property, and the protection of life.

    That belief also is ‘that all governments “require civil officers and magistrates to enforce the laws of the same; and that such as will administer the law in equity and justice should be sought for and upheld by the voice of the people”.

    We believe in law and order. However, some of our elected leaders have maybe been beguiled by pride in their abilities and have failed to hold to the oath they swore allegiance to when they raised their hand for us.

    We have had mostly good Presidents in our country’s history. Almost all have defended our country without owing allegiance to foreign countries.

    We need leaders to enforce the laws of our nation and state not pander.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 7:28 a.m.

    I agree with most of this, but I find it absolutely amazing you could say all of this without mentioning Trump's great 4 year long BIRTHER lie. Amazing. When will the D-News' kid glove treatment of Trump end? You don't have much time.

  • Utah Girl Chronicles Eagle Mountain, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 7:28 a.m.

    Trump has confiscated the notes from Honesty and Integrity and has sworn them both to silence.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 7:22 a.m.

    It's amazing to me that the Deseret News seems so concerned about honesty and integrity now while Donald Trump is the President but never brought up the issue when Barack Obama was President. Also, it makes sure that in the article that four people associated with the Trump campaign have been indicted while neglecting the fact that the indictments have nothing to do with the Trump campaign. Perhaps the Deseret News need to examine it's sources and it may realize that honesty and integrity are in question primarily because of an anti-Trump bias in the Press rather than the Trump administration. Perhaps the DN will also realize that they also have fallen in the same trap.

  • Butch wax , 00
    Jan. 14, 2019 7:13 a.m.

    "Americans — and especially Republicans — are also more tolerant of leaders who lie, the same poll revealed."

    Even though Democrats never lie, would never vote for one.
    Proud to be a Republican.

  • BCS , 00
    Jan. 14, 2019 6:53 a.m.

    Your polls are deceiving. Stating Republicans accept lying more than Democrats? When you show something like that as you did through the article you need to show the whole picture.

  • tsobserver Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 5:29 a.m.

    If we are looking for honesty and integrity in Washington, D.C., we will be looking for a very long time. The parties have become exactly what George Washington warned us of in his farewell address. While it makes for great theater, like the Colosseum of Rome, it leaves lives and families broken and cast aside and endangers our republic. I would not place any hope in our leaders on either side of the partisan isle in bringing truth and integrity back to government. This predicament is not a product of Trump. He is a product of the predicament.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    Jan. 14, 2019 5:03 a.m.

    I do think honesty and integrity are taking a backseat to tribal loyalty right now. To the historians out there, is this any different than it was during our last Civil War? Because I do think we're in a state of war right now. Fortunately a nonviolent one, but a war all the same.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 10:32 p.m.

    What we desperately need in 2019 is some honesty and integrity especially from our White House and Congress.