AK ute,Nick Saban often loses his OCs to other opportunities. He's tough to work with, gets results but is hard to work with.
The difference is the results he gets. Isn't his most recent OC
loss going on to be a HC? Did you see the list of Whittingham's
OCs? While Taylor is now a HC that's not a step up because he goes from the
PAC to sac state. Most others stepped down. That's the
difference between sabin's OCs and Whittingham's OCs. It's not
the same thing.
Blues Clues:“I dare you to cite a Utah QB performance that
even comes close.” (Against the 107th ranked team?)True that
Wilson seems to be a very solid QB. Really wish Utah would’ve recruited
him. But he may have rode the pine and later transferred anyways. Having said
that, let’s not break out the non-alcoholic champagne and do the first
week of the football season airport celebrations just yet! We all remember how
high you guys were on Mangum and Heaps. How’d that turn out?I
never wish ill or injury upon anyone. But like I’ve said before, good luck
with Wilson lasting the whole season without injury. With how much he loves to
run. Get your backup ready!
CG - Provo, UTJan. 12, 2019 5:39 p.m.SoonerUte“The
last OC helped Utah win the south division title.”Only because
the PAC 12 South was THE weakest P5 division in the country, 9th out
9The Big 12 doesn’t have divisions.--------------No that wasn't the reason why Utah won the
South.2017: #9 SEC East 72.412018: #9 PAC-12 South 73.08So it seems South was slightly better than 2017 SEC East.
@naval vetI complimented the Utes’ hire of Ludwig, said he
hit all the bases for what the Utes want. I also said great things
can come out of non-P5 schools, like Urban Meyer who played G5, had more
assistant experience in g5, and who launched the Utes to new levels of success
and you are quibbling over percentages and calling me disingenuous? I’m sorry I didn’t do enough research to satisfy your tender
sensibilities. You are clearly an Utah fan and a BYU hater. You constantly spout
negative on BYU articles, so it may surprise you to know being a BYU fan
doesn’t make me a Utah hater. I could be a BYU fan and indifferent to the
U. However, I am not indifferent. I went to both schools, I root for both teams
to succeed. I do, however, tire of the constant bickering between the immature
fans who are a minority from both schools.
He's going to be great for the U.VB isn't the easiest place to
deal with athletics, and really tough competition.Should be interesting to
see how it plays out. I'm betting it'll be a good pairing.
ArizonaUte “I love how BYU fans just never look in the
mirror.”BYU’s OC just finished his first season at
BYU.In his season finale, his true Freshman QB was 18-for-18, 317
yards, 4 TDs, 0 Int, 322 QB rating...dwarfing every QB performance
in Utah history, regardless of opponent.I dare you to cite a Utah QB
performance that even comes close.
SoonerUte“The last OC helped Utah win the south division
title.”Only because the PAC 12 South was THE weakest P5
division in the country, 9th out 9The Big 12
doesn’t have divisions.
I’m super excited to have Ludwig. I also find it ironic when a coug fan
makes their moniker “No playoff for U” when their team not ONLY
hasn’t been in the playoffs as well, but also hasn’t even been
ranked, not one time in the CFP polls. That’s why these
threads are very entertaining!
Ludwig has more lateral moves than Cal running through the Stanford band.Good luck to him and the Utes.
london_josh - Lincoln, CAhow do you recruit a QB when he's
playing for 4 different OCs on average? Most QBs look at an OC and want to be in
a system with an identity, hard to do with so many changes.-------------------Have you checked out to see how many coordinators
have left Nick Saban for other coaching positions? I think for the most part the
QBs are looking to see if the program its self is staying competitive EVEN WITH
changes in the program.
@TrueBlue - Provo, UTJan. 11, 2019 6:21 p.m."#58 Ludwig
(against 8 SEC defenses)”---------And BYU is
ranked #101 against much worse opponents and SOS than Vanderbuilt.So, Ludwig was #58 v. the SEC? Ok. How would BYU and Grimes have done?I love how BYU fans just never look in the mirror. And the confidence
and hubris you get from beating the #106 ranked team in the nation, in a bowl
game is just entertaining. You rip on the PAC 12 for being the
worst P5 conference in all of football yet:BYU was 1-3 v. the PAC 12
this yr. Half your losses came from the worst P5 conf. in football. BYU
was 1-1 v. the MAC - the freaking MAC. BYU was 1-2 v. the MWC, a
conference you are clearly too good to move back to. Thank you for
We always say he or she is a Military brat, having lived in different places
around the country because the Dad was a Soldier. Now we can say, he or she is a
College Athletic brat because the Dad was an Offensive Coordinator (etc).
LOL!Hey whatever fit the plan. HC KW and the Utes can do what they
think is an effective and workable solution. Welcome back Ludwig.
Byu and utah OC stories are totally different.Utah hires guys who
have experience or grew up in the program. BYU had 2 byu legends in
it's last 4 OCs, both played QB in the NFL and both might have become great
OCs had the HC and AD not turned on them early on. The question with grimes, is
how he can adjust to byu from the sec and how he can work with kalani. The question with Andy also includes adjustment, but mainly rests on how he
works with Whittingham. The problem with the Utah OCs is that there
are many headlining OCs with loads of experience that just didn't do great
at Utah. Utah gets good players, so you need to look at the HC relationship,
that seems to be the key. That's where I worry about the future
at Utah, the OC never lasts more than 2 seasons. I think the average is
something like 1.3 seasons. Will Whittingham allow this OC to do
what he needs to do in order to bring Utah to the next level? I hope so, but
right now it's an ugly trend.
FACTchequer - Salt Lake City, UTJan. 11, 2019 11:33 p.m.It’s
hilarious how Utah’s latest OC is always praised by the usual crimson
goggles wearers as an offensive guru...and then turns out to be just
as disappointing as the last one.-------Maybe
"one" Utah fan but most have have now argued for years for Whitt to hire
an recent, experienced OC and get out of his way to run the offense.Chow was a great hire, Harding/Brian were not ready, Taylor had potential, the
rest including Roderick were unqualified. Christensen was probably the biggest
mistake.Now compare that to, Detmer made Farve spin for an overrated
high school coach.
FACTchequer "Utah’s latest OC is always praised and then turns out to
be just as disappointing as the last one."The last OC helped
Utah win the south division title. So you're saying Ludwig will
"disappoint" Utes fans with another title?
JohninSLC “Oh, c’mon now. We are nowhere near the BYU
fan adulation heaped upon the second coming of Ty Detmer”Don’t kid yourself; Utah fans have fawned over every OC Whittingham has
chosen like he was the greatest thing since sliced bread...just like
the glowing praise they’re heaping on Ludwig now.
To people trying to criticize this hire using Ludwig's numbers against
Vandy's schedule, that's really not fair (the examples of what he did
against Bama are especially disingenuous). At Utah he will have more talent than
Vandy, and be calling plays against PAC12 defenses, not SEC defenses. Kyle Shurmer was a decent SEC QB, and Ludwig is the main reason for that.
Ludwig is well-respected among SEC QB coaches and coordinators. I stand by what
I said...I think this is a really good hire for the Utes.
“It’s hilarious how Utah’s latest OC is always praised by the
usual crimson goggles wearers as an offensive guru”FAXer:Oh, c’mon now. We are nowhere near the coog-fan adulation heaped
upon the second coming of Ty ‘Freaking’ Detmer (who taught Brett
Favre how to throw a spiral), or upon Jeff ‘SEC’ Grimes, or
Rob’t ‘Go Fast Punt Hard’ Anae, etc.
I am always amazed by “knowledgeable” fans of that school down south
who think Andy Ludwig played in the loss to UNLV so long ago! News flash, he
didn’t! They think it is an indication of how unsuccessful he
will be at UTAH, where he’s still not going to playing, but
Sitake’s consecutive losing streak to UTAH means nothing!
It’s hilarious how Utah’s latest OC is always praised by the usual
crimson goggles wearers as an offensive guru...and then turns out to
be just as disappointing as the last one.
Smart move by Utah.
TrueBlue - Provo, UTJan. 11, 2019 6:21 p.m.Utemythology “2018 Yards Per Game#58 Ludwig (against 8 SEC defenses)”LOL at how you completely ignored Ludwig’s recent record versus
Alabama in favor of what he did 10 years ago.-----No,
what he did against 2008, 2017 Alabama or 2007 UNLV or even 2008 spanking of BYU
is irrelevant. What is relevant is "2018 Yards Per Game".You can disagree and do victory laps one or two games. He
was a SEC OC for 4 years. I am more than happy with the experience he brings to
Utah. I think it was a real good hire.Go UTES!
AL is a rock-solid hire....He’s had great success since leaving us.For instance, @ WISC, Melvin Gordon ran for a zillion yards....At Vandy,
he took them from a triple-digit O ranking to a Top-40 O ranking this last year
& the progress of their current QB has been outstanding....And this was
against SEC Ds.Instead of MWC talent, he now has PAC-12 talent to
work with.I’m excited about this hire, particularly w/the
talent we return this year....ZM must be especially excited!Go Utes!
How surprising to see posts from Y fans bashing anything Utah related along with
a few of the same Utah fans that think the Utes should have a couple of Rose
Bowl wins by now and need to fire the coach.Then there are the rest
of us that see Utah got an OC that has been successful at a P5 level and worked
with Kyle previously. Ludwig has shown he can develop the QB position and
should help with recruiting. All things considered this looks to be a good move
for the Utes.
Oh Really?:"The thing I find interested is people hanging so
much on 'P5 experience.'.....Urban Meyer came from Bowling Green, and
the vast majority of his Assistant experience was non-P5-type schools."The "vast majority"??? You just made that up. How frantic and
emotional of you. Meyer's pre-Head Coaching days were thus...1. Ohio St ('86-'87)2. Illinois St ('88-'89)3. Colorado St ('90-'95)4. Notre Dame ('96-'00)So that's 2-yrs FCS, 6-yrs G5/midmajors, and 7-yrs P5. So how is
8-yrs "non-P5-type schools" account for the "vast majority" of a
15-yr career? Do you not know the difference between "vast majority"
and "53%"? Or were you just being deliberately disingenuous?
LOL at how you totally ignored Ludwig’s recent record versus Alabama in
favor of 10 years agoregardlessagainst Alabama in
2017Passing - 38 yardsRushing - 40 yardsTotal - 78
yardsPoints - 0Final score: 0-59against 10-loss
UNLV in 2007Final score: 0-27
Utemythology “2018 Yards Per Game#58 Ludwig (against 8
SEC defenses)”LOL at how you completely ignored Ludwig’s
recent record versus Alabama in favor of what he did 10 years ago.
Utah Alum - Provo, UTJan. 11, 2019 2:57 p.m.utahute69 - Laguna
Niguel, CAJan. 11, 2019 2:01 p.m.“It is almost impossible for
Whitt to go outside his group of pals when it comes to hiring coaches. But, this
time his pal is a quality coach and if you watch the Utah/Alabama game tape, it
was amazing how his offense moved with ease with a great combinations of passing
and running”You may want to take a peek at how well
Ludwig’s offense “moved with ease” against Alabama in 2018.Passing - 38Rushing - 40Total
- 78Points - 0Final score: 59-0-----That was 2017.2018 Yards Per Game#58 Ludwig (against 8 SEC
defenses)#71 Taylor#81 Anae#100 Grimes (against 8 cupcakes)
london_josh - Lincoln, CAJan. 11, 2019 1:44 p.m.Looking at Utah OCs
is kind of a sad trip:Troy Taylor - HC as Sac State - probably a
step downjim Harding - still at Utah, just not Oc material?Aaron
Roderick - at BYU, seems to be doing well, but a step down from OC for sureDave Christensen - OL at ASU, that's a step downDennis Erickson -
demoted to RB coach and now coaches the stallionsBrian Johnson - QB coach
at florida after stepping down to be the QB coach at UtahNorm Chow - went
to be HC at Hawaii, probably the only step up you haveDave Schramm -
stepped down at Utah, now weber OCAndy Ludwig - back to Utah OC-----At least they're still employed.Not as sad
as ex-BYU OC:Detmer: T-MobileDoleman: Papa Johns
Sooner,I'm in Sacramento, it's a good move for Troy, and I
don't blame him.BYU has had turnover also, Anae left then Doman
stayed for 2 years then got scapegoated and back to Anae for 2 years then Detmer
got scapegoated. But that's a problem for BYU fans and 2 years is far
better than Whit's average of just over a year.It's going
to be interesting to see if Andy can break the trend of Whittingham's
OCs.They aren't, as some are suggesting, getting snatched up to
be HCs at competing schools, they normally drop down and stay on staff then go
somewhere else.There are those who criticize Utah because they like
to, and there are some who point out issues because they want Utah to be better.
I'd like to see Utah improve.how do you recruit a QB when
he's playing for 4 different OCs on average? Most QBs look at an OC and
want to be in a system with an identity, hard to do with so many changes.I'd like to see Utah's offense gain some consistent momentum -
I'd like to think Andy will stick around in his position for a long time,
here's to hoping!
It is a curious thing, the y fans. They criticize, they cajole, they whine,
but they don't win. Tell us what we are doing wrong when you
finally win your Super Bowl against us. Considering that we only lost a handful
of Seniors, it looks like it will be awhile before that happens.Welcome back Andy.
rfrmac:"I, like many others, think this is a very good
hire...[Ludwig] starts with more talent than was at Utah when he left. He knows
P5 ball and that's a real help."Correct you are. I think
anyone who'd coordinated Offenses to run against SEC Defenses should be
amply prepared to coordinate Offenses to line up against the majority of the
Defenses in the Pac-12.
Soooo....NOT Anae then?Well then. I can't complain.GO UTES!!!
@Cougsndawgs - West Point , UTJan. 11, 2019 12:02 p.m.I love
the BYU narrative of Whitt and OCs. The OC position in football
changes over. Period.BYU has had 3 OCs in last 4 yrs. Utah
has had 3 OCs in last 4 yrs.BYU has had 5 OCs in 7-8 yrs. Utah? 5 OCs in 7-8 yrs. Average tenure for OC at either has been
< 2 yrs. per. over the last several yrs.With the #101 best
offense in the nation last yr., Grimes may get the boot, or if he improves a
lot, he will get hired away.Do you want him if he's just in
between? Is that how you stay?Utah OCs who moved for more $$ or HC
jobs:Andy Ludwig - after 4 yrs. w/Whitt, 2X income at CalNorm
Chow - left for his 1st ever HC jobTroy Taylor - left to be HC in his home
townBrian Johnson - left for more $$ to Mississippi StateDennis Erikson? Wanted less responsibility and stayed with Utah for yrs.
after. Great recruiter.OCs Whitt fired:ChristensenArodOCs that get counted but shouldn't:Harding -
co-OC w/Arod - Harding still OL coach, w/ nice raises.Schram - co-OC
w/ArodArod had play calling with both.Ludwig 2.0 will be
awesome!! Can't wait for 2019.Go Utes!
As a BYU fan, I fully endorse Utah returning to their mid-2000’s offense
which produced such stellar results as getting shut out 0-27 by 10-loss UNLV.
Any man who can have Vanderbilt be even moderately "competitive " in the
SEC will do wonders at Utah!! I am more than happy with this hire, and because
of his home roots, I believe only a head coaching job will take him away... Love
the hire! Go Utes!!
utahute69 - Laguna Niguel, CAJan. 11, 2019 2:01 p.m.“It is
almost impossible for Whitt to go outside his group of pals when it comes to
hiring coaches. But, this time his pal is a quality coach and if you watch the
Utah/Alabama game tape, it was amazing how his offense moved with ease with a
great combinations of passing and running”You may want to take
a peek at how well Ludwig’s offense “moved with
ease” against Alabama in 2018.Passing - 38Rushing - 40Total - 78Points - 0Final score: 59-0
london_josh "Utah OCs is kind of a sad tripTroy Taylor - HC as Sac
State - probably a step downAndy Ludwig - back to Utah OC"Let's put a positive spin on your negative view of Utah world.Troy Taylor is from Sacramento. While you view Sac State with disdain,
it's a great move for Troy Taylor personally. He get's to go home to
a good paying job, and I think he got several years of his contract guaranteed.
Most of us would step up to a deal like that.Andy Ludwig is from
Ogden. He get's to return home to a well paid job. He was OC with
Whittingham for 4 years, before getting an offer he couldn't refuse. The
instability at OC began when he left, and one could argue that stability returns
with Ludwig.Its a win for everyone. Taylor is set for life. Ludwig
is back home. Whittingham has an OC that he likes. And as Cougar fan Utah Alum
notes, BYU beat Ludwig in 2005/2008. If Utah's on field talent returns to
the MWC level, your Cougars have a chance!
@vegas UteIt was Becca for sure. But in the end, she found love and
was there for the right reasons....
"Sheesh...if we want to play with the big boys we HAVE to do better than
this!"frankie:Yeah, you coogs better up your game.
@Squirtle:"Actually that was a quote from Becca on The
Bachlorette when asked if she would be willing to be the next Bachlorette. So it
is very fitting when asked if he would be the next OC for Utah he would say the
same thing."Actually, this is a quote from Zack Moss when
announcing he was coming back - hence the words "can't use the exact
MOSS quote". His quote was actually "Let's do the ---- thing".
I don't watch The Bachelor of The Bachelorette, so I don't know who
Becca is, or what she may or may not have said. I'll just have to take
your word on it. Anyway - not something that Ludwig said, at least that I am
aware of.Thanks for your concern though.Go Utes!!Sweep the Decade!
Ludwig’s offenses were 2-2 versus BYUWon in 2005/2008Lost in 2006/2007
It is almost impossible for Whitt to go outside his group of pals when it comes
to hiring coaches. But, this time his pal is a quality coach and if you watch
the Utah/Alabama game tape, it was amazing how his offense moved with ease with
a great combinations of passing and running. I doubt Utah could do better given
Whitt's hiring parameters. In fact, this is probably one of the best hires
we could get under in any condition.
Under Ludwig in 2018, Vanderbilt was#54 in total offense (404 yards), #55 passing (243 yards), #66 rushing (168 yards),#70 scoring (29
points).More pass, runIn 2018 , Utah was#45, #79,
#53, #76More run, passSince Whittingham prefers grind it
out, physical play,it doesn’t appear that we’ll see any
appreciable change in Utah’s offense in 2019.
Looking at Utah OCs is kind of a sad trip:Troy Taylor - HC as Sac
State - probably a step downjim Harding - still at Utah, just not Oc
material?Aaron Roderick - at BYU, seems to be doing well, but a step down
from OC for sureDave Christensen - OL at ASU, that's a step downDennis Erickson - demoted to RB coach and now coaches the stallionsBrian
Johnson - QB coach at florida after stepping down to be the QB coach at UtahNorm Chow - went to be HC at Hawaii, probably the only step up you haveDave Schramm - stepped down at Utah, now weber OCAndy Ludwig - back to
Utah OCaside from Chow, people tend to step down in their career
after bing OC at Utah.Look at Ludwig, he went from Utah (MWC at the
time) to Cal (step up), to SDSU (down), to Wisconsin (up) and has been at Vandy
for 3 years. I do think that this is a good hire for Utah. But any OC would
have to look at the history of Utah OCs and give a moment of pause to see if
they really want the gig.BYU hasn't exactly been perfect with
OCs, I think Detmer and Doman both got the brunt of the HC scapegoating prior to
their peak, but the turnover isn't nearly as bad.I hope this
works for Andy and the Utes.
Ludwig will fit right in with the revolving door known as Utah's OC.This will be Andy's 8th OC gig since 2002.From 2002 to
2004, Ludwig was the offensive coordinator at Oregon. After some difficult
years, Ludwig was hired by close personal friend and newly named Utah head coach
Kyle Whittingham for the 2005 season. Following the 2009 Sugar Bowl, Ludwig
accepted the offensive coordinator position at Kansas State, but two months
later he was hired to be the offensive coordinator for the California Golden
Bears for the 2009 season. In 2011, Ludwig was hired by new San Diego State
coach Rocky Long to be offensive coordinator for the Aztecs. Ludwig was hired to
be the offensive coordinator for the Wisconsin Badgers for the 2013 season.
After spending two seasons as the offensive coordinator at Wisconsin, he began
the 2015 season under Derek Mason at Vanderbilt University as the offensive
coordinator. January 10, 2019 Kyle Whittingham, Utah Utes head coach decided to
hire back Andy Ludwig as their OC.
The Utes had a stretch where they were scoring 40 points a game. It isn't
like the offense was bad, Taylor just didn't like to work for Whitt. What
Taylor did after Moss and Huntley went down was pretty impressive. It will be
interesting to see how Taylor does in Sacramento -- and how long before
he'll move to a higher paying position.By and large the OC
options are:1- Someone who wanted a step up in prestige or dollars
(which means first-time OCs, G5, or FCS coaches)2- Someone who will move
to Utah3- Retreads4- Someone who LIKES living in UtahFirst-time OCs have lessons to learn, like clock management, that they
don't necessarily learn as assistants. Grimes and Sitake and BYU are prime
examples. Horrible clock managers.The fact Utah could get someone
with a track record of success at OC, who likes the area AND can get along with
Whitt is more than almost anyone else could bring to the table.The
thing I find interested is people hanging so much on "P5 experience."
Good coaches don't come exclusively from the P5. Urban Meyer came from
Bowling Green, and the vast majority of his Assistant experience was non-P5-type
schools. Whit never played or coached at a P5.
@Kjel - Ogden, UTJan. 11, 2019 12:43 p.m."I am sure
Whittingham gets on these pages and cares what we really think. Lol."Well that's perfect then because I really don't care what he
thinks as well.
I am sure Whittingham gets on these pages and cares what we really think. Lol.
This is a great hire. They are long time friends they know each other’s
quirks and how to work together. They probably yell scream and cuss each other
out but have the same goals in the end. They forgive and forget. So this is a
great hire. And it is probably the time for Andy to come home and be with
family. GO UTES!!!!!!!!!!!!
A great hire. With his experience, relationship with Whitt and the returning
players the Utes have the potential to be very good again next season. Anything
short of winning the PAC12 championship would be disappointing.
Sheesh...if we want to play with the big boys we HAVE to do better than this!
Sure, he's a nice guy and a good coach. But we need to do better. I hope
he massively beat my expectations.I still hold that KWhitt has maxed
out what he can do. If he were cheaper then we hold on to him, but at the cost
we need better. We need change if we hope to succeed...
@VegasUte - Las Vegas, NVJan. 11, 2019 11:52 a.m."Let's Do The Thing! (can't use the exact Moss quote)"Actually that was a quote from Becca on The Bachlorette when asked if
she would be willing to be the next Bachlorette. So it is very fitting when
asked if he would be the next OC for Utah he would say the same thing.
Have you ever hired a new grad or less experienced employee and then he left for
10 years getting some fortune 500 experience with great success? You then hire
him back and are amazed at what he brings to the table. This is how I view this
hire. He did well his first go around. But I expect him to bring even more to
the table this go around. Some of the people on this thread might
want to add a little rigor or sophistication to their thinking because most of
the negative comments are not even worth a response since a second grader could
smash the argument with just an ounce of effort.
To the vast majority of byu fans posting on this topic: Thanks for your concern,
but Utah will be just fine. We're happy for your dedication to all things
Utah, though. Very impressive.Nine is coming!Go Utes!
@ekute - Layton, UTJan. 11, 2019 11:02 a.m."to my best
recollection, following the Sugar Bowl, he was offered more money by what at the
time was a bigger program. Razorbacks, I believe."Hehehehe.
Cutie-Ute right again.
Mythology:"Yes and your Team A hired the biggest failure... just
saying."I don't have a "Team A" or "Team
B". If you're talking about Georgia, then you are clearly wrong, and if
you're talking about BYU, once again you are clearly wrong. Grimes was
hired away from the O-line position at LSU where he was successful in that role,
and Georgia had Jim Chaney until he was hired away by Tennessee (which no
Georgia fans are too upset about, but he did direct the 18th rated offense in
the country and 3rd in the SEC). So what, exactly, are you talking
about...neither my "Team A" or my "Team B" hired failures? If you're talking about Ty Detmer that was a calculated risk
because he had no FBS coaching experience, but based on his successes as an NFL
QB and knowledge of the game it was worth the risk. I still believe he would
have done well given more time...but maybe that's the problem with Utah,
they give OC's no time to actually develop the roster. In that case, this
is yet another situation where U basically justify Utah's shortcomings by
pointing out BYU's or Georgia's? Explain what you're talking
Future OCs:2020 - Brian Johnson2021 - Norm Chow2022 -
Grad Assistant turning 'pro'2023 - 2019 U Starting QBAlways in with the old. It's the way it's done here.
I was very leery about the Sark talk, too much baggage with complete expectation
of leaving for an HC gig a year later. Flashy name, but no substance. Anae
would have been a total disaster. I hope McBride was just speculating on that
one. Ludwig is solid, and has proved his worth in several P5 conferences over
the years after leaving Utah.Welcome (back) home Andy!Let's Do The Thing! (can't use the exact Moss quote)Go
"Around and around and around we go, where it stops nobody knows".Another year, another OC.
Cougsndawgs - West Point , UTJan. 11, 2019 11:03 a.m.cnbennett:"As far as stability at the OC position, how many OC's has Saban had
at Alabama?"Apples and oranges...Bama loses OC's to
head-coaching jobs and other opportunities (usually), while Utah/Whit
doesn't send them off better than when they came. There's a big
difference between losing OCs because of success and losing them because of
failure...just saying.------------Yes and your Team A
hired the biggest failure... just saying.
I think this is a great hire for Utah, and hopefully fans and Whit will have the
patience to keep him for at least 3 years while he implements his offense. He
did some really good things with Vanderbilt, including mentoring Kyle Shurmer
who was a decent QB in the SEC.And just FYI for those that think
having one RB carry the rock 25-30 times a game is a good idea: that is a recipe
for injury and you'll see Moss on the sidelines again next year if Ludwig
does that. Shyne should be getting at least 10-15 reps to keep Moss healthy.@JustGordon: I hear what you're saying but the HC always asks his
coordinators to run a system that fits his overall strategy. And, no little
league is not where you see all the razzle dazzle...watch an OU, Ok St, Wazzu,
or WVU game, and those are high octane offenses that work. Of couse Whit
doesn't scapegoat anyone, because he IS responsible and DOES call the shots
about how he wants the offense to support his strategy...11/12 OCs in his tenure
is not something to be proud of, unless they're leaving for greener
Two-three years in the same position over, and over, and over again.
Something's a little off with that. Another "safe" move by Whitt;
I wanted to see some younger blood come in. Hope he works out.
cnbennett:"As far as stability at the OC position, how many OC's
has Saban had at Alabama?"Apples and oranges...Bama loses
OC's to head-coaching jobs and other opportunities (usually), while
Utah/Whit doesn't send them off better than when they came. There's a
big difference between losing OCs because of success and losing them because of
65TossPowerTrap,I'm not going to do your research but to my best
recollection, following the Sugar Bowl, he was offered more money by what at the
time was a bigger program. Razorbacks, I believe.
65TossPowerTrap "Sincere question. Was this guy forced out by Whittingham,
or did he leave on his own?"According to the DNews article in
Dec 2008:Ludwig received an unsolicited telephone call that altered his
career path. He's leaving the Utes to become the new offensive coordinator
at Kansas State."It came extremely quickly," Ludwig said.
"Coach Snyder, whom I've never met, called me on Saturday afternoon and
offered me the job over the phone.Just two months later, Cal lured
Ludwig away from Kansas State.He wasn't forced out. He got a
big raise to coach at the P5 level."I didn't want to lose
Andy. We led the league in scoring this year and we've done some very nice
things on offense," Whittingham said. "We certainly made a pitch to keep
him in our camp. But ultimately we couldn't match what Kansas State was
able to offer him."
Great choice - he's coming back home - but just to be safe I hope he rents
rather than buys.That's a huge long list for Whittingham, if
you count repeats and doubles it's now the 12th OC under Whittingham - at
some point you need to say "hey, maybe the HC is the problem here".The good news is that Andy is the only one who has ever made it past the
2 year mark, so maybe the Utes will have some continuity here. One can always
good hire.Now we just need to get that offensive line to play both
pass and run.
Sincere question. Was this guy forced out by Whittingham, or did he leave on
his own? I recall Utah fans complaining about his play calling. Was that legit
or just fans complaining to complain?
As far as stability at the OC position, how many OC's has Saban had at
Excellent hire. I've missed the shovel pass and quick slant.
Of course head coaches have TOTAL responsibility for the successes and failures
of their teams...BUT that does not mean as some have posted here that the head
coach actually calls the play...Whittingham doesn't need scapegoats...I
have never seen him scapegoat any loss.People who suggest that Coach
Whit hires OC's who could direct a "prolific" offense, BUT he then
reins them in and after a year or two fires them for not being productive. That
makes no sense in any kind of real world scenario. Do folks who believe this
about Coach Whit actually think he tells is OC after a successful long
pass/trick play..."OK, that's your one for the game/year...no
more"?? As a defensive coach, Whit is naturally
conservative...three things happen when you throw the ball and two of them are
bad. Yes, he'd rather run the ball and with Moss, we can and will...Shine
could not do what Moss can do. But its more a projection of your own
wants/desires...more passing and or more razzle-dazzle than of Whit's
shortcomings. If you want that kind of coach...coach in little league football.
Coach Whit is the problem. Look how many OC's he's had! No
consistency, no one can coach under him. Why doesn't Whit just take over
OC responsibilities? Might save them from hiring a new OC in 2 years.
I, like many others, think this is a very good hire. I think the fit will be
better. Ludwig's coaching skills have gotten better over the years, I
believe. He starts with more talent than was at Utah when he left. He knows
P5 ball and that's a real help. The next question is who will be his
assistants? Who will be staying and who are going?
We have had an offensive coordinator who has been running his offense for 14
years. His name is Kyle Whittingham. What we just hired in Andy Ludwig was the
next scapegoat. If Ludwig can last for two years we can give Aaron Roderick
another shot for two years and by then there should be a whole new crop of
Cougar coaches to choose from. Future looks bright to me!!
Great hire Now let’s hope he stays for a while
Good hire—I think.I said it last season; I’ll say it
again. The formula for winning at Utah under Kyle Whittingham is as follows:1. Moss gets 25-30 carries per game.2. QB is restricted to 10-12
designed carries per game. Put him on a budget.3 Team must throw for an
average of 275 yards per game. Other considerations:1.
Utah desperately needs an OC and/or a QB Coach who can develop QBs. I think
Ludwig is this guy.2. Utah needs to utilize the Tight-Ends, much in the
way Stanford and Boise State.3. Utah needs to bench receivers who refuse
to be mentally prepared at game time. i.e., “if you drop a pass within 18
inches of the center of your chest, you’re done for the day. Now go get it done. This 2019 squad could be really special.
He was good the first time. Welcome home. Looking forward to next season.
I think this hire may be the best we could expect. Ludwig was pretty good in
the first 'go-round' and should be better this time. It is way past
time for some stability at the OC job. Also, I really hope Harding sticks
around and becomes the obvious candidate when Ludwig eventually leaves.
Good to have Andy back. He brings a lot of P5 experience to the table and has
always improved the offense in the teams he's coached.
I will never forget the day in New Orleans looking across the field at the Sugar
Bowl after the game. Ludwig was amazing that year, has done some great things
since both overall with offenses and with developing QB's. He is a local
guy that just might want to spend some serious time here. GREAT HIRE!
I'm cool with this! Go Utes!