Utah football: Ludwig returning as Utes' offensive coordinator

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  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 13, 2019 7:24 p.m.

    AK ute,

    Nick Saban often loses his OCs to other opportunities.

    He's tough to work with, gets results but is hard to work with. The difference is the results he gets.

    Isn't his most recent OC loss going on to be a HC?

    Did you see the list of Whittingham's OCs? While Taylor is now a HC that's not a step up because he goes from the PAC to sac state. Most others stepped down.

    That's the difference between sabin's OCs and Whittingham's OCs. It's not the same thing.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 2:16 p.m.

    Blues Clues:

    “I dare you to cite a Utah QB performance that even comes close.” (Against the 107th ranked team?)

    True that Wilson seems to be a very solid QB. Really wish Utah would’ve recruited him. But he may have rode the pine and later transferred anyways. Having said that, let’s not break out the non-alcoholic champagne and do the first week of the football season airport celebrations just yet! We all remember how high you guys were on Mangum and Heaps. How’d that turn out?

    I never wish ill or injury upon anyone. But like I’ve said before, good luck with Wilson lasting the whole season without injury. With how much he loves to run. Get your backup ready!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 13, 2019 1:07 p.m.

    CG - Provo, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 5:39 p.m.
    SoonerUte

    “The last OC helped Utah win the south division title.”

    Only because the PAC 12 South was THE weakest P5 division in the country,

    9th out 9

    The Big 12 doesn’t have divisions.

    --------------

    No that wasn't the reason why Utah won the South.

    2017: #9 SEC East 72.41
    2018: #9 PAC-12 South 73.08

    So it seems South was slightly better than 2017 SEC East.

  • Oh Really? Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 13, 2019 12:37 a.m.

    @naval vet

    I complimented the Utes’ hire of Ludwig, said he hit all the bases for what the Utes want.

    I also said great things can come out of non-P5 schools, like Urban Meyer who played G5, had more assistant experience in g5, and who launched the Utes to new levels of success and you are quibbling over percentages and calling me disingenuous?

    I’m sorry I didn’t do enough research to satisfy your tender sensibilities. You are clearly an Utah fan and a BYU hater. You constantly spout negative on BYU articles, so it may surprise you to know being a BYU fan doesn’t make me a Utah hater. I could be a BYU fan and indifferent to the U. However, I am not indifferent. I went to both schools, I root for both teams to succeed. I do, however, tire of the constant bickering between the immature fans who are a minority from both schools.

  • rlsintx Saratoga Springs, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 7:08 p.m.

    He's going to be great for the U.
    VB isn't the easiest place to deal with athletics, and really tough competition.
    Should be interesting to see how it plays out. I'm betting it'll be a good pairing.

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 5:43 p.m.

    ArizonaUte

    “I love how BYU fans just never look in the mirror.”

    BYU’s OC just finished his first season at BYU.

    In his season finale, his true Freshman QB was 18-for-18, 317 yards, 4 TDs, 0 Int, 322 QB rating...

    dwarfing every QB performance in Utah history, regardless of opponent.

    I dare you to cite a Utah QB performance that even comes close.

  • CG Provo, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 5:39 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    “The last OC helped Utah win the south division title.”

    Only because the PAC 12 South was THE weakest P5 division in the country,

    9th out 9

    The Big 12 doesn’t have divisions.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 5:11 p.m.

    I’m super excited to have Ludwig. I also find it ironic when a coug fan makes their moniker “No playoff for U” when their team not ONLY hasn’t been in the playoffs as well, but also hasn’t even been ranked, not one time in the CFP polls.

    That’s why these threads are very entertaining!

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 4:55 p.m.

    Ludwig has more lateral moves than Cal running through the Stanford band.

    Good luck to him and the Utes.

  • Ak_ute Anchorage, AK
    Jan. 12, 2019 4:28 p.m.

    london_josh - Lincoln, CA

    how do you recruit a QB when he's playing for 4 different OCs on average? Most QBs look at an OC and want to be in a system with an identity, hard to do with so many changes.
    -------------------
    Have you checked out to see how many coordinators have left Nick Saban for other coaching positions? I think for the most part the QBs are looking to see if the program its self is staying competitive EVEN WITH changes in the program.

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 1:12 p.m.

    @TrueBlue - Provo, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 6:21 p.m.

    "#58 Ludwig (against 8 SEC defenses)”

    ---------

    And BYU is ranked #101 against much worse opponents and SOS than Vanderbuilt.

    So, Ludwig was #58 v. the SEC? Ok. How would BYU and Grimes have done?

    I love how BYU fans just never look in the mirror. And the confidence and hubris you get from beating the #106 ranked team in the nation, in a bowl game is just entertaining.

    You rip on the PAC 12 for being the worst P5 conference in all of football yet:

    BYU was 1-3 v. the PAC 12 this yr. Half your losses came from the worst P5 conf. in football.
    BYU was 1-1 v. the MAC - the freaking MAC.
    BYU was 1-2 v. the MWC, a conference you are clearly too good to move back to.

    Thank you for the entertainment.

  • FanOfTheSith Vernal, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 12:45 p.m.

    We always say he or she is a Military brat, having lived in different places around the country because the Dad was a Soldier. Now we can say, he or she is a College Athletic brat because the Dad was an Offensive Coordinator (etc). LOL!

    Hey whatever fit the plan. HC KW and the Utes can do what they think is an effective and workable solution. Welcome back Ludwig.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 12, 2019 12:35 p.m.

    Byu and utah OC stories are totally different.

    Utah hires guys who have experience or grew up in the program.

    BYU had 2 byu legends in it's last 4 OCs, both played QB in the NFL and both might have become great OCs had the HC and AD not turned on them early on. The question with grimes, is how he can adjust to byu from the sec and how he can work with kalani.

    The question with Andy also includes adjustment, but mainly rests on how he works with Whittingham.

    The problem with the Utah OCs is that there are many headlining OCs with loads of experience that just didn't do great at Utah. Utah gets good players, so you need to look at the HC relationship, that seems to be the key.

    That's where I worry about the future at Utah, the OC never lasts more than 2 seasons. I think the average is something like 1.3 seasons.

    Will Whittingham allow this OC to do what he needs to do in order to bring Utah to the next level? I hope so, but right now it's an ugly trend.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 12, 2019 12:24 p.m.

    FACTchequer - Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:33 p.m.
    It’s hilarious how Utah’s latest OC is always praised by the usual crimson goggles wearers as an offensive guru...

    and then turns out to be just as disappointing as the last one.

    -------

    Maybe "one" Utah fan but most have have now argued for years for Whitt to hire an recent, experienced OC and get out of his way to run the offense.

    Chow was a great hire, Harding/Brian were not ready, Taylor had potential, the rest including Roderick were unqualified. Christensen was probably the biggest mistake.

    Now compare that to, Detmer made Farve spin for an overrated high school coach.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 12:04 p.m.

    FACTchequer "Utah’s latest OC is always praised and then turns out to be just as disappointing as the last one."

    The last OC helped Utah win the south division title. So you're saying Ludwig will "disappoint" Utes fans with another title?

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 10:27 a.m.

    JohninSLC

    “Oh, c’mon now. We are nowhere near the BYU fan adulation heaped upon the second coming of Ty Detmer”

    Don’t kid yourself; Utah fans have fawned over every OC Whittingham has chosen like he was the greatest thing since sliced bread...

    just like the glowing praise they’re heaping on Ludwig now.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 10:00 a.m.

    To people trying to criticize this hire using Ludwig's numbers against Vandy's schedule, that's really not fair (the examples of what he did against Bama are especially disingenuous). At Utah he will have more talent than Vandy, and be calling plays against PAC12 defenses, not SEC defenses.

    Kyle Shurmer was a decent SEC QB, and Ludwig is the main reason for that. Ludwig is well-respected among SEC QB coaches and coordinators. I stand by what I said...I think this is a really good hire for the Utes.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 9:56 a.m.

    “It’s hilarious how Utah’s latest OC is always praised by the usual crimson goggles wearers as an offensive guru”

    FAXer:

    Oh, c’mon now. We are nowhere near the coog-fan adulation heaped upon the second coming of Ty ‘Freaking’ Detmer (who taught Brett Favre how to throw a spiral), or upon Jeff ‘SEC’ Grimes, or Rob’t ‘Go Fast Punt Hard’ Anae, etc.

  • JustGordon Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 12, 2019 6:40 a.m.

    I am always amazed by “knowledgeable” fans of that school down south who think Andy Ludwig played in the loss to UNLV so long ago! News flash, he didn’t!

    They think it is an indication of how unsuccessful he will be at UTAH, where he’s still not going to playing, but Sitake’s consecutive losing streak to UTAH means nothing!

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:33 p.m.

    It’s hilarious how Utah’s latest OC is always praised by the usual crimson goggles wearers as an offensive guru...

    and then turns out to be just as disappointing as the last one.

  • Chessermesser West Valley City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:42 p.m.

    Smart move by Utah.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:31 p.m.

    TrueBlue - Provo, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 6:21 p.m.
    Utemythology

    “2018 Yards Per Game
    #58 Ludwig (against 8 SEC defenses)”

    LOL at how you completely ignored Ludwig’s recent record versus Alabama in favor of what he did 10 years ago.

    -----

    No, what he did against 2008, 2017 Alabama or 2007 UNLV or even 2008 spanking of BYU is irrelevant.

    What is relevant is "2018 Yards Per Game".

    You can disagree and do victory laps one or two games.

    He was a SEC OC for 4 years. I am more than happy with the experience he brings to Utah. I think it was a real good hire.

    Go UTES!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 11, 2019 7:41 p.m.

    AL is a rock-solid hire....He’s had great success since leaving us.

    For instance, @ WISC, Melvin Gordon ran for a zillion yards....At Vandy, he took them from a triple-digit O ranking to a Top-40 O ranking this last year & the progress of their current QB has been outstanding....And this was against SEC Ds.

    Instead of MWC talent, he now has PAC-12 talent to work with.

    I’m excited about this hire, particularly w/the talent we return this year....ZM must be especially excited!

    Go Utes!

  • CO Ute , 00
    Jan. 11, 2019 6:45 p.m.

    How surprising to see posts from Y fans bashing anything Utah related along with a few of the same Utah fans that think the Utes should have a couple of Rose Bowl wins by now and need to fire the coach.

    Then there are the rest of us that see Utah got an OC that has been successful at a P5 level and worked with Kyle previously. Ludwig has shown he can develop the QB position and should help with recruiting. All things considered this looks to be a good move for the Utes.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 11, 2019 6:33 p.m.

    Oh Really?:

    "The thing I find interested is people hanging so much on 'P5 experience.'.....Urban Meyer came from Bowling Green, and the vast majority of his Assistant experience was non-P5-type schools."

    The "vast majority"??? You just made that up. How frantic and emotional of you. Meyer's pre-Head Coaching days were thus...

    1. Ohio St ('86-'87)
    2. Illinois St ('88-'89)
    3. Colorado St ('90-'95)
    4. Notre Dame ('96-'00)

    So that's 2-yrs FCS, 6-yrs G5/midmajors, and 7-yrs P5. So how is 8-yrs "non-P5-type schools" account for the "vast majority" of a 15-yr career? Do you not know the difference between "vast majority" and "53%"? Or were you just being deliberately disingenuous?

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 6:30 p.m.

    LOL at how you totally ignored Ludwig’s recent record versus Alabama in favor of 10 years ago

    regardless

    against Alabama in 2017

    Passing - 38 yards
    Rushing - 40 yards
    Total - 78 yards
    Points - 0

    Final score: 0-59

    against 10-loss UNLV in 2007

    Final score: 0-27

  • TrueBlue Provo, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 6:21 p.m.

    Utemythology

    “2018 Yards Per Game
    #58 Ludwig (against 8 SEC defenses)”

    LOL at how you completely ignored Ludwig’s recent record versus Alabama in favor of what he did 10 years ago.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2019 4:47 p.m.

    Utah Alum - Provo, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:57 p.m.
    utahute69 - Laguna Niguel, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:01 p.m.
    “It is almost impossible for Whitt to go outside his group of pals when it comes to hiring coaches. But, this time his pal is a quality coach and if you watch the Utah/Alabama game tape, it was amazing how his offense moved with ease with a great combinations of passing and running”

    You may want to take a peek at how well Ludwig’s offense

    “moved with ease”

    against Alabama in 2018.

    Passing - 38
    Rushing - 40
    Total - 78
    Points - 0

    Final score: 59-0

    -----

    That was 2017.

    2018 Yards Per Game
    #58 Ludwig (against 8 SEC defenses)
    #71 Taylor
    #81 Anae
    #100 Grimes (against 8 cupcakes)

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2019 4:31 p.m.

    london_josh - Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 1:44 p.m.
    Looking at Utah OCs is kind of a sad trip:

    Troy Taylor - HC as Sac State - probably a step down
    jim Harding - still at Utah, just not Oc material?
    Aaron Roderick - at BYU, seems to be doing well, but a step down from OC for sure
    Dave Christensen - OL at ASU, that's a step down
    Dennis Erickson - demoted to RB coach and now coaches the stallions
    Brian Johnson - QB coach at florida after stepping down to be the QB coach at Utah
    Norm Chow - went to be HC at Hawaii, probably the only step up you have
    Dave Schramm - stepped down at Utah, now weber OC
    Andy Ludwig - back to Utah OC

    -----

    At least they're still employed.

    Not as sad as ex-BYU OC:

    Detmer: T-Mobile
    Doleman: Papa Johns

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 4:06 p.m.

    Sooner,

    I'm in Sacramento, it's a good move for Troy, and I don't blame him.

    BYU has had turnover also, Anae left then Doman stayed for 2 years then got scapegoated and back to Anae for 2 years then Detmer got scapegoated. But that's a problem for BYU fans and 2 years is far better than Whit's average of just over a year.

    It's going to be interesting to see if Andy can break the trend of Whittingham's OCs.

    They aren't, as some are suggesting, getting snatched up to be HCs at competing schools, they normally drop down and stay on staff then go somewhere else.

    There are those who criticize Utah because they like to, and there are some who point out issues because they want Utah to be better. I'd like to see Utah improve.

    how do you recruit a QB when he's playing for 4 different OCs on average? Most QBs look at an OC and want to be in a system with an identity, hard to do with so many changes.

    I'd like to see Utah's offense gain some consistent momentum - I'd like to think Andy will stick around in his position for a long time, here's to hoping!

  • 81Ute Central, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 4:03 p.m.

    It is a curious thing, the y fans. They criticize, they cajole, they whine, but they don't win.
    Tell us what we are doing wrong when you finally win your Super Bowl against us. Considering that we only lost a handful of Seniors, it looks like it will be awhile before that happens.

    Welcome back Andy.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 11, 2019 3:41 p.m.

    rfrmac:

    "I, like many others, think this is a very good hire...[Ludwig] starts with more talent than was at Utah when he left. He knows P5 ball and that's a real help."

    Correct you are. I think anyone who'd coordinated Offenses to run against SEC Defenses should be amply prepared to coordinate Offenses to line up against the majority of the Defenses in the Pac-12.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    Jan. 11, 2019 3:33 p.m.

    Soooo....NOT Anae then?

    Well then. I can't complain.

    GO UTES!!!

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 3:05 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 12:02 p.m.

    I love the BYU narrative of Whitt and OCs.

    The OC position in football changes over. Period.

    BYU has had 3 OCs in last 4 yrs.
    Utah has had 3 OCs in last 4 yrs.

    BYU has had 5 OCs in 7-8 yrs.
    Utah? 5 OCs in 7-8 yrs.

    Average tenure for OC at either has been < 2 yrs. per. over the last several yrs.

    With the #101 best offense in the nation last yr., Grimes may get the boot, or if he improves a lot, he will get hired away.

    Do you want him if he's just in between? Is that how you stay?

    Utah OCs who moved for more $$ or HC jobs:

    Andy Ludwig - after 4 yrs. w/Whitt, 2X income at Cal
    Norm Chow - left for his 1st ever HC job
    Troy Taylor - left to be HC in his home town
    Brian Johnson - left for more $$ to Mississippi State

    Dennis Erikson? Wanted less responsibility and stayed with Utah for yrs. after. Great recruiter.

    OCs Whitt fired:

    Christensen
    Arod

    OCs that get counted but shouldn't:

    Harding - co-OC w/Arod - Harding still OL coach, w/ nice raises.
    Schram - co-OC w/Arod

    Arod had play calling with both.

    Ludwig 2.0 will be awesome!! Can't wait for 2019.

    Go Utes!

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 3:04 p.m.

    As a BYU fan, I fully endorse Utah returning to their mid-2000’s offense which produced such stellar results as getting shut out 0-27 by 10-loss UNLV.

  • Ak_ute Anchorage, AK
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:58 p.m.

    Any man who can have Vanderbilt be even moderately "competitive " in the SEC will do wonders at Utah!! I am more than happy with this hire, and because of his home roots, I believe only a head coaching job will take him away... Love the hire! Go Utes!!

  • Utah Alum Provo, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:57 p.m.

    utahute69 - Laguna Niguel, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:01 p.m.
    “It is almost impossible for Whitt to go outside his group of pals when it comes to hiring coaches. But, this time his pal is a quality coach and if you watch the Utah/Alabama game tape, it was amazing how his offense moved with ease with a great combinations of passing and running”

    You may want to take a peek at how well Ludwig’s offense

    “moved with ease”

    against Alabama in 2018.

    Passing - 38
    Rushing - 40
    Total - 78
    Points - 0

    Final score: 59-0

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:49 p.m.

    london_josh "Utah OCs is kind of a sad trip
    Troy Taylor - HC as Sac State - probably a step down
    Andy Ludwig - back to Utah OC"

    Let's put a positive spin on your negative view of Utah world.

    Troy Taylor is from Sacramento. While you view Sac State with disdain, it's a great move for Troy Taylor personally. He get's to go home to a good paying job, and I think he got several years of his contract guaranteed. Most of us would step up to a deal like that.

    Andy Ludwig is from Ogden. He get's to return home to a well paid job. He was OC with Whittingham for 4 years, before getting an offer he couldn't refuse. The instability at OC began when he left, and one could argue that stability returns with Ludwig.

    Its a win for everyone. Taylor is set for life. Ludwig is back home. Whittingham has an OC that he likes. And as Cougar fan Utah Alum notes, BYU beat Ludwig in 2005/2008. If Utah's on field talent returns to the MWC level, your Cougars have a chance!

  • Squirtle ,
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:28 p.m.

    @vegas Ute

    It was Becca for sure. But in the end, she found love and was there for the right reasons....

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:23 p.m.

    "Sheesh...if we want to play with the big boys we HAVE to do better than this!"

    frankie:

    Yeah, you coogs better up your game.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:09 p.m.

    @Squirtle:

    "Actually that was a quote from Becca on The Bachlorette when asked if she would be willing to be the next Bachlorette. So it is very fitting when asked if he would be the next OC for Utah he would say the same thing."

    Actually, this is a quote from Zack Moss when announcing he was coming back - hence the words "can't use the exact MOSS quote". His quote was actually "Let's do the ---- thing". I don't watch The Bachelor of The Bachelorette, so I don't know who Becca is, or what she may or may not have said. I'll just have to take your word on it. Anyway - not something that Ludwig said, at least that I am aware of.

    Thanks for your concern though.

    Go Utes!!
    Sweep the Decade!

  • Utah Alum Provo, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:09 p.m.

    Ludwig’s offenses were 2-2 versus BYU

    Won in 2005/2008
    Lost in 2006/2007

  • utahute69 Laguna Niguel, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 2:01 p.m.

    It is almost impossible for Whitt to go outside his group of pals when it comes to hiring coaches. But, this time his pal is a quality coach and if you watch the Utah/Alabama game tape, it was amazing how his offense moved with ease with a great combinations of passing and running. I doubt Utah could do better given Whitt's hiring parameters. In fact, this is probably one of the best hires we could get under in any condition.

  • Elkhorn Loveland, CO
    Jan. 11, 2019 1:57 p.m.

    Under Ludwig in 2018, Vanderbilt was
    #54 in total offense (404 yards),
    #55 passing (243 yards),
    #66 rushing (168 yards),
    #70 scoring (29 points).

    More pass, run

    In 2018 , Utah was
    #45, #79, #53, #76

    More run, pass

    Since Whittingham prefers grind it out, physical play,

    it doesn’t appear that we’ll see any appreciable change in Utah’s offense in 2019.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 1:44 p.m.

    Looking at Utah OCs is kind of a sad trip:

    Troy Taylor - HC as Sac State - probably a step down
    jim Harding - still at Utah, just not Oc material?
    Aaron Roderick - at BYU, seems to be doing well, but a step down from OC for sure
    Dave Christensen - OL at ASU, that's a step down
    Dennis Erickson - demoted to RB coach and now coaches the stallions
    Brian Johnson - QB coach at florida after stepping down to be the QB coach at Utah
    Norm Chow - went to be HC at Hawaii, probably the only step up you have
    Dave Schramm - stepped down at Utah, now weber OC
    Andy Ludwig - back to Utah OC

    aside from Chow, people tend to step down in their career after bing OC at Utah.

    Look at Ludwig, he went from Utah (MWC at the time) to Cal (step up), to SDSU (down), to Wisconsin (up) and has been at Vandy for 3 years. I do think that this is a good hire for Utah. But any OC would have to look at the history of Utah OCs and give a moment of pause to see if they really want the gig.

    BYU hasn't exactly been perfect with OCs, I think Detmer and Doman both got the brunt of the HC scapegoating prior to their peak, but the turnover isn't nearly as bad.

    I hope this works for Andy and the Utes.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 1:31 p.m.

    Ludwig will fit right in with the revolving door known as Utah's OC.

    This will be Andy's 8th OC gig since 2002.

    From 2002 to 2004, Ludwig was the offensive coordinator at Oregon. After some difficult years, Ludwig was hired by close personal friend and newly named Utah head coach Kyle Whittingham for the 2005 season. Following the 2009 Sugar Bowl, Ludwig accepted the offensive coordinator position at Kansas State, but two months later he was hired to be the offensive coordinator for the California Golden Bears for the 2009 season. In 2011, Ludwig was hired by new San Diego State coach Rocky Long to be offensive coordinator for the Aztecs. Ludwig was hired to be the offensive coordinator for the Wisconsin Badgers for the 2013 season. After spending two seasons as the offensive coordinator at Wisconsin, he began the 2015 season under Derek Mason at Vanderbilt University as the offensive coordinator. January 10, 2019 Kyle Whittingham, Utah Utes head coach decided to hire back Andy Ludwig as their OC.

  • Oh Really? Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 1:29 p.m.

    The Utes had a stretch where they were scoring 40 points a game. It isn't like the offense was bad, Taylor just didn't like to work for Whitt. What Taylor did after Moss and Huntley went down was pretty impressive. It will be interesting to see how Taylor does in Sacramento -- and how long before he'll move to a higher paying position.

    By and large the OC options are:

    1- Someone who wanted a step up in prestige or dollars (which means first-time OCs, G5, or FCS coaches)
    2- Someone who will move to Utah
    3- Retreads
    4- Someone who LIKES living in Utah

    First-time OCs have lessons to learn, like clock management, that they don't necessarily learn as assistants. Grimes and Sitake and BYU are prime examples. Horrible clock managers.

    The fact Utah could get someone with a track record of success at OC, who likes the area AND can get along with Whitt is more than almost anyone else could bring to the table.

    The thing I find interested is people hanging so much on "P5 experience." Good coaches don't come exclusively from the P5. Urban Meyer came from Bowling Green, and the vast majority of his Assistant experience was non-P5-type schools. Whit never played or coached at a P5.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 11, 2019 1:27 p.m.

    @Kjel - Ogden, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 12:43 p.m.

    "I am sure Whittingham gets on these pages and cares what we really think. Lol."

    Well that's perfect then because I really don't care what he thinks as well.

  • Kjel Ogden, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 12:43 p.m.

    I am sure Whittingham gets on these pages and cares what we really think. Lol. This is a great hire. They are long time friends they know each other’s quirks and how to work together. They probably yell scream and cuss each other out but have the same goals in the end. They forgive and forget. So this is a great hire. And it is probably the time for Andy to come home and be with family. GO UTES!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 12:43 p.m.

    A great hire. With his experience, relationship with Whitt and the returning players the Utes have the potential to be very good again next season. Anything short of winning the PAC12 championship would be disappointing.

  • Frank Walters Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 12:36 p.m.

    Sheesh...if we want to play with the big boys we HAVE to do better than this! Sure, he's a nice guy and a good coach. But we need to do better. I hope he massively beat my expectations.

    I still hold that KWhitt has maxed out what he can do. If he were cheaper then we hold on to him, but at the cost we need better. We need change if we hope to succeed...

  • Squirtle ,
    Jan. 11, 2019 12:36 p.m.

    @VegasUte - Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:52 a.m.

    "Let's Do The Thing! (can't use the exact Moss quote)"

    Actually that was a quote from Becca on The Bachlorette when asked if she would be willing to be the next Bachlorette. So it is very fitting when asked if he would be the next OC for Utah he would say the same thing.

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 12:37 p.m.

    Have you ever hired a new grad or less experienced employee and then he left for 10 years getting some fortune 500 experience with great success? You then hire him back and are amazed at what he brings to the table. This is how I view this hire. He did well his first go around. But I expect him to bring even more to the table this go around.

    Some of the people on this thread might want to add a little rigor or sophistication to their thinking because most of the negative comments are not even worth a response since a second grader could smash the argument with just an ounce of effort.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 11, 2019 12:36 p.m.

    To the vast majority of byu fans posting on this topic: Thanks for your concern, but Utah will be just fine. We're happy for your dedication to all things Utah, though. Very impressive.

    Nine is coming!

    Go Utes!

  • My Rash is Red ,
    Jan. 11, 2019 12:31 p.m.

    @ekute - Layton, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:02 a.m.

    "to my best recollection, following the Sugar Bowl, he was offered more money by what at the time was a bigger program. Razorbacks, I believe."

    Hehehehe. Cutie-Ute right again.

  • Max-was-right Mapleton, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 12:24 p.m.

    Wash..
    Rinse....
    Repeat.....

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 12:02 p.m.

    Mythology:
    "Yes and your Team A hired the biggest failure... just saying."

    I don't have a "Team A" or "Team B". If you're talking about Georgia, then you are clearly wrong, and if you're talking about BYU, once again you are clearly wrong. Grimes was hired away from the O-line position at LSU where he was successful in that role, and Georgia had Jim Chaney until he was hired away by Tennessee (which no Georgia fans are too upset about, but he did direct the 18th rated offense in the country and 3rd in the SEC). So what, exactly, are you talking about...neither my "Team A" or my "Team B" hired failures?

    If you're talking about Ty Detmer that was a calculated risk because he had no FBS coaching experience, but based on his successes as an NFL QB and knowledge of the game it was worth the risk. I still believe he would have done well given more time...but maybe that's the problem with Utah, they give OC's no time to actually develop the roster. In that case, this is yet another situation where U basically justify Utah's shortcomings by pointing out BYU's or Georgia's? Explain what you're talking about.

  • Mr. Caveman Omaha, NE
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:57 a.m.

    Future OCs:

    2020 - Brian Johnson
    2021 - Norm Chow
    2022 - Grad Assistant turning 'pro'
    2023 - 2019 U Starting QB

    Always in with the old. It's the way it's done here.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:52 a.m.

    I was very leery about the Sark talk, too much baggage with complete expectation of leaving for an HC gig a year later. Flashy name, but no substance. Anae would have been a total disaster. I hope McBride was just speculating on that one. Ludwig is solid, and has proved his worth in several P5 conferences over the years after leaving Utah.

    Welcome (back) home Andy!

    Let's Do The Thing! (can't use the exact Moss quote)

    Go Utes!

  • Utah rules Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:40 a.m.

    "Around and around and around we go, where it stops nobody knows".
    Another year, another OC.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:37 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:03 a.m.
    cnbennett:
    "As far as stability at the OC position, how many OC's has Saban had at Alabama?"

    Apples and oranges...Bama loses OC's to head-coaching jobs and other opportunities (usually), while Utah/Whit doesn't send them off better than when they came. There's a big difference between losing OCs because of success and losing them because of failure...just saying.

    ------------

    Yes and your Team A hired the biggest failure... just saying.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:27 a.m.

    I think this is a great hire for Utah, and hopefully fans and Whit will have the patience to keep him for at least 3 years while he implements his offense. He did some really good things with Vanderbilt, including mentoring Kyle Shurmer who was a decent QB in the SEC.

    And just FYI for those that think having one RB carry the rock 25-30 times a game is a good idea: that is a recipe for injury and you'll see Moss on the sidelines again next year if Ludwig does that. Shyne should be getting at least 10-15 reps to keep Moss healthy.

    @JustGordon: I hear what you're saying but the HC always asks his coordinators to run a system that fits his overall strategy. And, no little league is not where you see all the razzle dazzle...watch an OU, Ok St, Wazzu, or WVU game, and those are high octane offenses that work. Of couse Whit doesn't scapegoat anyone, because he IS responsible and DOES call the shots about how he wants the offense to support his strategy...11/12 OCs in his tenure is not something to be proud of, unless they're leaving for greener pastures.

  • Lester L. Wester , 00
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:16 a.m.

    Two-three years in the same position over, and over, and over again. Something's a little off with that. Another "safe" move by Whitt; I wanted to see some younger blood come in. Hope he works out.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:03 a.m.

    cnbennett:
    "As far as stability at the OC position, how many OC's has Saban had at Alabama?"

    Apples and oranges...Bama loses OC's to head-coaching jobs and other opportunities (usually), while Utah/Whit doesn't send them off better than when they came. There's a big difference between losing OCs because of success and losing them because of failure...just saying.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 11:02 a.m.

    65TossPowerTrap,
    I'm not going to do your research but to my best recollection, following the Sugar Bowl, he was offered more money by what at the time was a bigger program. Razorbacks, I believe.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:58 a.m.

    65TossPowerTrap "Sincere question. Was this guy forced out by Whittingham, or did he leave on his own?"

    According to the DNews article in Dec 2008:
    Ludwig received an unsolicited telephone call that altered his career path. He's leaving the Utes to become the new offensive coordinator at Kansas State.
    "It came extremely quickly," Ludwig said. "Coach Snyder, whom I've never met, called me on Saturday afternoon and offered me the job over the phone.

    Just two months later, Cal lured Ludwig away from Kansas State.

    He wasn't forced out. He got a big raise to coach at the P5 level.

    "I didn't want to lose Andy. We led the league in scoring this year and we've done some very nice things on offense," Whittingham said. "We certainly made a pitch to keep him in our camp. But ultimately we couldn't match what Kansas State was able to offer him."

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:53 a.m.

    Great choice - he's coming back home - but just to be safe I hope he rents rather than buys.

    That's a huge long list for Whittingham, if you count repeats and doubles it's now the 12th OC under Whittingham - at some point you need to say "hey, maybe the HC is the problem here".

    The good news is that Andy is the only one who has ever made it past the 2 year mark, so maybe the Utes will have some continuity here. One can always hope!

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:52 a.m.

    good hire.

    Now we just need to get that offensive line to play both pass and run.

  • 65TossPowerTrap Salmon, ID
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:23 a.m.

    Sincere question. Was this guy forced out by Whittingham, or did he leave on his own? I recall Utah fans complaining about his play calling. Was that legit or just fans complaining to complain?

  • cmbennett1 Stafford, VA
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:08 a.m.

    As far as stability at the OC position, how many OC's has Saban had at Alabama?

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 10:05 a.m.

    Excellent hire. I've missed the shovel pass and quick slant.

  • JustGordon Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:57 a.m.

    Of course head coaches have TOTAL responsibility for the successes and failures of their teams...BUT that does not mean as some have posted here that the head coach actually calls the play...Whittingham doesn't need scapegoats...I have never seen him scapegoat any loss.

    People who suggest that Coach Whit hires OC's who could direct a "prolific" offense, BUT he then reins them in and after a year or two fires them for not being productive. That makes no sense in any kind of real world scenario. Do folks who believe this about Coach Whit actually think he tells is OC after a successful long pass/trick play..."OK, that's your one for the game/year...no more"??

    As a defensive coach, Whit is naturally conservative...three things happen when you throw the ball and two of them are bad. Yes, he'd rather run the ball and with Moss, we can and will...Shine could not do what Moss can do. But its more a projection of your own wants/desires...more passing and or more razzle-dazzle than of Whit's shortcomings. If you want that kind of coach...coach in little league football.

  • Seldom Seen Smith Orcutt, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:56 a.m.

    Good choice.

  • Bronco come back , 00
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:48 a.m.

    Coach Whit is the problem. Look how many OC's he's had! No consistency, no one can coach under him. Why doesn't Whit just take over OC responsibilities? Might save them from hiring a new OC in 2 years.

  • rfrmac South Jordan, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:33 a.m.

    I, like many others, think this is a very good hire. I think the fit will be better. Ludwig's coaching skills have gotten better over the years, I believe. He starts with more talent than was at Utah when he left. He knows P5 ball and that's a real help. The next question is who will be his assistants? Who will be staying and who are going?

  • just a nobody murray, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:21 a.m.

    We have had an offensive coordinator who has been running his offense for 14 years. His name is Kyle Whittingham. What we just hired in Andy Ludwig was the next scapegoat. If Ludwig can last for two years we can give Aaron Roderick another shot for two years and by then there should be a whole new crop of Cougar coaches to choose from. Future looks bright to me!!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:09 a.m.

    Great hire
    Now let’s hope he stays for a while

  • Realism337 Draper, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:09 a.m.

    Good hire—I think.

    I said it last season; I’ll say it again. The formula for winning at Utah under Kyle Whittingham is as follows:

    1. Moss gets 25-30 carries per game.
    2. QB is restricted to 10-12 designed carries per game. Put him on a budget.
    3 Team must throw for an average of 275 yards per game.

    Other considerations:

    1. Utah desperately needs an OC and/or a QB Coach who can develop QBs. I think Ludwig is this guy.
    2. Utah needs to utilize the Tight-Ends, much in the way Stanford and Boise State.
    3. Utah needs to bench receivers who refuse to be mentally prepared at game time. i.e., “if you drop a pass within 18 inches of the center of your chest, you’re done for the day.

    Now go get it done. This 2019 squad could be really special.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 9:08 a.m.

    He was good the first time. Welcome home. Looking forward to next season.

  • at long last. . . Kirksville , MO
    Jan. 11, 2019 8:59 a.m.

    I think this hire may be the best we could expect. Ludwig was pretty good in the first 'go-round' and should be better this time. It is way past time for some stability at the OC job. Also, I really hope Harding sticks around and becomes the obvious candidate when Ludwig eventually leaves.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    Jan. 11, 2019 8:51 a.m.

    Good to have Andy back. He brings a lot of P5 experience to the table and has always improved the offense in the teams he's coached.

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 8:47 a.m.

    I will never forget the day in New Orleans looking across the field at the Sugar Bowl after the game. Ludwig was amazing that year, has done some great things since both overall with offenses and with developing QB's. He is a local guy that just might want to spend some serious time here. GREAT HIRE!

  • Big J Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 11, 2019 8:45 a.m.

    I'm cool with this! Go Utes!