Brad Rock: BYU-Utah extend series; don't hold your breath on Utah-Utah State

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  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 11:10 a.m.

    No conference

    It’s nice to pretend that you’re relevant when you have never won a national championship, have never won a Heisman trophy, have never had a national HOF player, have never had the nation’s best QB, Passer or RB, have only had eight AP Top 25 finishes, have only had two 11+ win seasons, and have only won six conference championships in the last sixty years, only one during the Whittingham era.

    The truth is, clinging to the coattails of the big boys of the “conference of champions”, does not make you relevent.

  • Rose Bowl call yet? Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 18, 2019 10:01 a.m.

    It’s too bad we can’t post pics here because I’d love to see what one of these imaginary SOS trophies that Utah fans are constantly bragging about actually looks like.

    Suffice it to say, that they’re likely running out of room in their trophy closet and will have to include another closet in their RES expansion plans.

  • No Conference Will Take Us Seattle, WA
    Jan. 17, 2019 1:55 p.m.

    plyxply, I don't know about you. But I like pretending we are relevant. Imaginary undefeated seasons, world wide fan base, NY6 game, Playoffs, P5 invite.....the list goes on.
    Its fun to pretend, because it feels better than reality. After all, its our legacy.

  • plyxply SLC, UT
    Jan. 17, 2019 8:20 a.m.

    Respect for the Utah football program continues to decline. They can't recruit a wr who can catch a ball, they are now back to re-tread OC's, and they like to pretend they are very important with their pac 12 stickers and flags, yet are still middle of the pack in the state of Utah. BYU needs Utah on their schedule, but USU is clearly the best program in the state and will be until someone actually beats them. It will be until at least 2025 before Utah fans will be able to dispute that fact.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 16, 2019 11:39 p.m.

    "No Ute claimed we have higher attendance at RES. That again is a false claim by you."

    - Perry Mason

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 11:11 p.m.

    @London Josh - The difference is that BYU football is history and USU is now making football history. My son is a freshman at the Y, too bad there hasn't been much for him to cheer for as a cougar, besides women's volleyball.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 2:56 p.m.

    Mythology:
    "Nonsense! The College Playoff Committee disagrees with you. Which is why 11-2 Utah State was only ranked one time all year. Utah was ranked because our SOS #26 was on par with Clemson. You can't figure that out?"

    We're talking about the post-season...thus the term "also-rans". Lol YOU can't figure that out? The CFP is designed to determine playoff teams, not final ranking (as has been aptly pointed out but apparently some of U aren't understanding). So I repeat, only also-rans fall back on boasting about SOS when they aren't ranked at the end of the year.

    Also according to your logic, Fresno St and Boise St never should have been CFP ranked either.

    Obsessive fans also use terms like "Team A and Team B" to express their angst over fans who may cheer and donate to different programs. It's obvious and transparent however, as everyone recognizes this as the typical Utah inferiority complex. Btw, give Moss a call...Holyfield declared for the draft so maybe now he could make the 3 deep lol.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 16, 2019 1:41 p.m.

    london_josh - Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 16, 2019 12:18 a.m.
    Utah's average attendance is 45,913 last year, BYU's average is 56,267.

    Is this a margin of loss argument? I thought only BYU fans are allowed to make those.

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    Why are BYU fans having a hard time understanding their own spin?

    BYU "fans" made the argument that BYU is Utah's biggest draw.

    That is a FALSE statement.

    No Ute claimed we have higher attendance at RES. That again is a false claim by you.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 16, 2019 1:38 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs - West Point , UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 11:23 a.m.
    Only also-rans talk about their SOS. How many people do you see talking about Clemson's SOS (only bumped up to 25 after playing ND and Bama)? While we're on the subject though, I'm still trying to figure out how Utah's was so high after playing in the lowest rated division in the P5, according to Sagarin.

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    Nonsense! The College Playoff Committee disagrees with you. Which is why 11-2 Utah State was only ranked one time all year. Utah was ranked because our SOS #26 was on par with Clemson. You can't figure that out?

    Nope! Also-runs talk about their Team B accomplishments.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 16, 2019 1:28 p.m.

    bemorefair - , 00
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:20 a.m.
    @Uteology

    Are you serious?! What other top 25 programs are willing to play BYU?

    There's literally TWO OTHERS IN SEPTEMBER IN PROVO. Do you just want to argue with BYU fans for the sake of arguing even though you are 100% wrong? Wow.

    Thanks for making my point so perfectly by trying to refute it. haha

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    That's not what I said, what I said was:

    "What other Top 25 P5 program is willing to give BYU a long-term series and travel to LES?"

    The key here is "long-term" home-and-home series. You should be thanking Utah.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 11:23 a.m.

    Only also-rans talk about their SOS. How many people do you see talking about Clemson's SOS (only bumped up to 25 after playing ND and Bama)? While we're on the subject though, I'm still trying to figure out how Utah's was so high after playing in the lowest rated division in the P5, according to Sagarin.

    And any argument about final rankings that doesn't have Clemson #1 and still has ND #3 can be ignored...its a fallacious argument that obviously holds no water. That's why everyone (except a few obsessed Utah fans apparently) turns to the final AP/Coach's poll to determine their final ranking.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 16, 2019 11:00 a.m.

    @UtahBlueDevil - Alpine, UT

    In response to your comments first, contrary to some who post on here, BYU is not ND and never will be.

    Second, BYU has had 9 straight years of a home schedule that includes one or two good opponents, and the rest bottom feeders of the G5.

    Third, in order to work around the TV schedule these games late in the year against horrible opponents come at night when it is cold and late.

    As I said in my comment, that is my belief and premise and it will be easy to prove. Let's look at their average home attendance after October 19. I think you will find it above 60,000.

    And, contrary to arguments from some of both fan bases, no matter Utah's schedule at the end of the year, they will average around 46,000 fans. You can't put them in seats you don't have.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    Jan. 16, 2019 9:47 a.m.

    @Jello is Good - for the most part your statement seems reasoned. The exception being to the whole guest schedule part is several years ago I visited Notre Dame for a game against Duke in football. It was the final season game of the year for both teams, mid-November, sleeting and raining, in the evening, and despite being the last game of the season, both teams had had only one previous win. It was a game between two teams that were at the bottom. And yet when we arrived there were Irish fans everywhere hours before the game. It was the final game of the season, one which had seen sell-outs for each previous game, and there were over 100,000 in attendance.

    Storied programs that have loyal fans seen full stadiums regardless. The last few home games I went to at BYU last year were anything but. Notre Dame was 1-10, and sold out. If BYU fans need 10 win seasons for them to show up, its going to be a while before the stadium sells out. Love that they updating the stadium this year though - that may help.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 16, 2019 7:22 a.m.

    I always find attendance smack talk humorous.

    To some Y fans: RES is small, but sells out for most games. If they had the same capacity as LES, they too would have big crowds for some games and less for lesser opponents. They are in a P5, play quality entertaining teams that have a big draw.

    To some Ute fans: BYU has a terrible home schedule most years of independence. The majority of their big games have been played away from LES. Despite that, they have still averaged 57,000 or more fans. Only 7 years has BYU averaged less than 60,000, five of them coming since independence.

    Some have claimed this drop in attendance is due to the drop in the team. There is some merit to that as the only other sub-60,000 years were in the Crowton Era. But I believe the drop has much more to do with the quality of the home opponent.

    This premise should be easy to prove or disprove. This coming year our first 4 home games are Utah, USC, Washington and Boise State. I predict the average attendance for those four games will be well over 60,000. How well attended the last 2 home games against Liberty and Idaho State will depend on how well we did in the 8 games the precede them.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 16, 2019 12:36 a.m.

    "Unless it’s after the bowl games, and it’s a bunch of sportswriters and not a committee, right? "

    So final rankings are before the bowl games and must be done by committee rather than just a bunch of sports writers because we all know that there is collective bias in 65 or 125 people that just can't exist among a dozen people.

    And the final CFP rankings must reign supreme, with Alabama at 1 and ND at 3 - right?

    again - all of this comes from your argument that BYU fans are the ones who argue margins of losses and try and make losses wins - an example of that would be rejecting the coaches poll and AP because it reflects your loss - but you wouldn't be hypocritical like that, right?

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 16, 2019 12:18 a.m.

    Utah's average attendance is 45,913 last year, BYU's average is 56,267.

    Is this a margin of loss argument? I thought only BYU fans are allowed to make those.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:24 p.m.

    phoenix - Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:17 p.m.
    Utemythology

    “At RES BYU is NEVER the largest crowd”

    yawn

    BYU-Utah (46,017) was one of the highest attended games on Utah’s 2018 schedule, beating the CCG, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona, Colorado, No Illinois, Weber St, and Washington St, and only slightly fewer than Utah’s highest attended games at Washington (47,445), and the Holiday Bowl (47,707).

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    Try keeping up.

    The argument made by a BYU fan was that BYU is always the largest crowd on Utah's schedule.

    That is false.

    But Utah is your largest attended game at LES.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:08 p.m.

    “CFP is to get teams into the CFP. That's it's only purpose.“

    Of course this is your “take”, since your team has never even remotely been ranked in it, not even for a single week—LOL

    Contrary to your “interpretation”, the CFP ranking carries meaning/national relevance, from top-to-bottom, period.

    Go Utes!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:35 p.m.

    “being in the teens and 20s is meaningless.”

    london-josher:

    Unless it’s after the bowl games, and it’s a bunch of sportswriters and not a committe, right?

    I still marvel at your warm embrace of USU, but I suppose you have to find somebody else to champion since your coogs let you down, again.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:29 p.m.

    CFP is to get teams into the CFP. That's it's only purpose.

    Final rankings are final rankings.

    Notice that the CFP does not update after the playoffs, that's always been the AP poll.

    According to the CFP clemson is #2, what do you think?

    Congrats on winning the SOS though!

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:19 p.m.

    It's so great to see byu fans insisting Utah must schedule the coog's each year, for no other reason than both teams are from the same state.

    Last we checked, both SUU and Weber State are in the same state as byu, but the coog's believe it's beneath them to play a team from Ogden or Cedar City on an annual basis.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    Jan. 15, 2019 7:51 p.m.

    @ Real Ute - Dallas, TX - Jan. 15, 2019 9:57 a.m. - "I am saddened that the University of Utah is ignoring, most definitely by political force, our "true" instate football rival = Utah State."

    My comment: So, RealUte, if your "true" instate football rival is Utah State you are always commenting negatively on BYU articles because?....

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 15, 2019 7:40 p.m.

    “I don't blame the Utes for not including USU, but if they win nobody cares because they were supposed to win, the last game was a loss, and it's devastating. Unfortunately they have no upside in playing USU.”

    Which “last game”? We beat usu the last 2 games & historically straight OWN them both Home/Away, period.

    Go Utes!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 15, 2019 7:41 p.m.

    “I agree with many of the Utah posters that USU and Utah are ‘not comparable’ - USU is ranked and Utah isn't.”

    usu didn’t finish CFP ranked & backed into their human polls final rankings via one of the nation’s absolute weakest SOS rankings @ #113.

    Had they played against a finish ranked bowl game opponent, they would’ve lost & finished unranked, across-the-board, period.

    Heck, they couldn’t even win their own midmajor division—LOL

    Enough w/this “best team in the state” tripe, as they played against a SOS 5 times weaker than ours, one that would’ve absolutely crushed them, period.

    Go Utes!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 5:52 p.m.

    london_josh - "But, for end of season there is an AP ranking."
    Don't forget Sagarin. Cougar fans used to love the Sagarin rankings!
    This year's post-season:
    #23 Utah
    #27 Utah State
    #63 BYU
    #110 Weber State

  • BYUSU , 00
    Jan. 15, 2019 5:25 p.m.

    One thing the Utah fans should consider. If they had played Utah State and won they would have finished the season ranked. Remember when Utah had no problem scheduling USU when the Aggies weren't very good. But as soon as the Aggies started having good teams the scheduling stopped. If your content with being the number 2 or 3 team in the state go for it.

  • AggieWinningTeam Woods Cross, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 5:07 p.m.

    Thats ok. We all know Utah is too scared to schedule Utah State anyway. I will take it as a compliment that our program has turned a corner. They can continue to schedule patsies they know the can beat like Weber/SUU, Byu, and a different MWC school. I will just enjoy cheering for USU and our nice little streak we are starting against BYU. Utah can do their own thing. Go Aggies! Best team in the state (according the the press and coches, you know the people who actually make a living off of analyzing football).

  • hmth8tr TOOELE, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 5:03 p.m.

    "But playing two in-state games annually will seldom if ever happen." WRONG. Rock, it happened this last year (Weber and BYU both played Utah). And from 2021 through 2024 it will happen with either Weber or SUU and BYU.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 4:51 p.m.

    The CFP is made for one thing - selecting teams for the CFP

    The top 6 or 7 matter, and in the end the top 4 are the only criteria.

    But, for end of season there is an AP ranking.

    John seems to be less opinionated when asked who was the better team at the end of the season, Utah or USU. I'm going to go way out on a limb and not disagree with the 65 writers in the AP.

    The coaches poll also has USU in there and Utah not included, well, Utah's mentioned as the only team that dropped from the coaches poll in the bowl game, so that it technically a mention.

    I do love all of the talk about legacy in the CFP - being in the teens and 20s is meaningless.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 3:48 p.m.

    In 2020, BYU plays...

    @Utah
    Michigan St
    @Arizona St
    @Minnesota
    Utah St
    Missouri
    Houston
    @NIU
    @Boise St
    San Diego St
    North Alabama
    @Stanford

    That’s a much tougher schedule than Utah ever played in the MWC, and tougher than many P5’s play.

    Rivals Utah St and Utah are both sandwiched between tough opponents.

    Utah has NEVER played 4 straight P5’s to start the season,

    Arizona St owns Utah,

    Utah has never beaten an FBS Boise State,

    and

    Utah has never beaten a regular season SEC opponent.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 3:34 p.m.

    JohninSLC

    Without looking it up, guaranteed you couldn’t name all of the teams ranked from #11 to #25 in the final 2018 CFP poll.

    That’s how “relevant” Utah is to the rest of the country.

    Just another team that’s had a good season or 2 since the CFP started, which may, or may not, have been ranked in the CFP poll at some point.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 3:08 p.m.

    Jonny boy

    "no CFP...?'

    Remind us the last time Utah was actually relevant in the CFP discussion.

    Hint 1:
    If you're not at least in the Top 6 in the final CFP ranking,
    you're not relevant.

    Hint 2:
    A Utah team with more than ONE loss will NEVER get a CFP berth.

    Hint 3:
    Even a PAC 12 champion Utah team with more than ONE loss, will NEVER get a CFP berth.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 2:52 p.m.

    "will do just fine in October/November 2020"

    no CFP coog:

    Can you wait that long? Maybe it will help offset Liberty, Idaho State and UMass this November.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 2:37 p.m.

    Utah fans still whining about BYU schedules obviously have looked at BYU's future schedules.

    In 2020, BYU plays...

    @Utah
    Michigan St
    @Arizona St
    @Minnesota
    Utah St
    Missouri
    Houston
    @NIU
    @Boise St
    San Diego St
    North Alabama
    @Stanford

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 2:24 p.m.

    No playoff for U

    “Thanks for sharing, but Utah St, Missouri, Houston, NIU, Boise St, San Diego St, No Alabama and Stanford will do just fine in October/November 2020.”

    That’s a solid October/November schedule.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 2:21 p.m.

    "Such obsessed paranoia."

    jelly/squirtle:

    If by that you mean, the very real fear of Greg Hughes getting out of breath again and wasting public funds to take Utah to task for NOT scheduling BYU-P, well, okay then.

    If you don't know who Greg Hughes is, inform yourself before making knee-jerk accusations.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:53 p.m.

    Real Ute

    “... in late October and November. Dixie St. may be a better ball game and mean more than Wagner, McNeese State or New Mexico State?”

    Thanks for sharing, but Utah St, Missouri, Houston, NIU, Boise St, San Diego St, No Alabama and Stanford will do just fine in October/November 2020.

    It’s taken time to create an Independent schedule, since college football games are scheduled so far in advance, but BYU’s schedule is steadily improving, including late season games.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:42 p.m.

    Jskm

    “JSKM1232 - Sandy, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:22 p.m.
    @MRM - Layton, UT

    "Utah could easily drop a home and home with Fresno St to schedule a home and home with Utah St, but the Utes are scared to death of playing the Aggies in Logan in football or basketball"
    = = = = =

    “And pray tell why would that be? Or is it just a wishful fantasy on your part?”

    Because Utah St spanked Utah the last time the Utes visited Logan, prompting the Utes to buy out their last scheduled game in Logan and suspend any talk of future games with the Aggies.

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:33 p.m.

    @ConradGurch - Salt Lake City, Utah

    "@Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah

    Don't kid yourself about the team down south. Utah needs that game as much as BYU. That is the largest crowd Utah plays in front of all year plus, it is a money maker"
    = = = = =
    Largest crowd, Money maker? You're kidding right? A money maker for BYU maybe. Largest crowd next year maybe, maybe not.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:36 p.m.

    @ FACTchequer,

    I agree with you 100%! WhY are we(Utah) scheduling BYU and not going to Florida, Texas, Ohio or the likes? It is CrAzY! BYU does zero for Utah and if the U of U could escape the political travesty controlling Utah we'd see those games my friend.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:27 p.m.

    @ talkinsports,

    I hear ya brother. BYU is in fact, most years, Utah's highest ranked OOC football opponent. What that speaks of, as we Utes and the nation views as well, is that Utah has a very weak OOC schedule and for almost zero recruiting or rankings benefit. I thunk BYU should explore scheduling Dixie State next decade........and they certainly will in late October and November. Dixie St. may be a better ball game and mean more than Wagner, McNeese State or New Mexico State?

  • FACTchequer Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:23 p.m.

    Real Ute

    “We are is the PAC now, games that matter to all Utes and we want to improve our recruiting across the nation is our goal/focus.”

    How many games east of the Rockies has Utah SCHEDULED since June 2010?

    How many games versus Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Mich St, Wisconsin, Virginia, Ga Tech, or any team from Florida or the SEC has Utah scheduled since June 2010?

    Don’t bother with games that were scheduled prior to the Utes joining the PAC 12.

  • JSKM1232 Sandy, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:22 p.m.

    @MRM - Layton, UT

    "Utah could easily drop a home and home with Fresno St to schedule a home and home with Utah St, but the Utes are scared to death of playing the Aggies in Logan in football or basketball"
    = = = = =
    And pray tell why would that be? Or is it just a wishful fantasy on your part?

  • Some.BYU.Dude Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:19 p.m.

    It just seems some Ute fans have their heads in the clouds and think way too highly of themselves.

    BYU is a solid opponent, however you want to look at it. Utes act like they're doing BYU a favor because BYU needs Utah and Utah doesn't need BYU. The real story: Neither team actually needs each other. This game is a fun rivalry that's historic and produces some of the most entertaining games in college football. Even though my Cougars have lost, the games have been fun.

    Utah wants to play some great school, but honestly, why is Florida, Michigan, Ohio State, Bama, etc., going to travel a long distance to play a school that is geographically out of the way, doesn't compete in recruiting, and isn't a huge resume booster, when they have close teams that do impact recruiting and are resume boosters? My guess is Utah isn't going to find a college football elite to come play them.

    BYU has done fine with scheduling P5 schools, as the next few years have 6+ P5 teams, and some of the top G5 teams, which I will argue any day of the week Boise State, and USU are better than the bottom 2-3 PAC teams every year anyway, so playing "9 P5" teams doesn't really hold more weight.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:10 p.m.

    Real Ute - Dallas, TX
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:37 p.m.
    @ 4601,

    “Your blind speculation that I have an "obsession" with BYU is merely your hope, nothing else...”

    As RWE said...

  • Squirtle ,
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:09 p.m.

    @Real Ute - Dallas, TX
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:37 p.m.

    "Your blind speculation that I have an "obsession" with BYU is merely your hope, nothing else, or greater fine sir."

    If it is nothing but hope then why do you scurry to every BYU article to cast aspersions on this institution that you have no feeling for.

    You prove your obsession with every comment you make.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:06 p.m.

    This is the right move for Utah, but wrong for the PAC.

    The PAC should open it up, play 7 or 8 conference games a year and a mandatory P5 or P5 equiv team. That would put BYU and USU in Utah's schedule and soften up the grind of the PAC schedule.

    the PAC has made itself a little bubble of hubris in SF and has isolated itself on the west coast, where geography and time zones make it isolated from the P4s.

    If the PAC did what other schools do, it opens up a chance to continue the rivalry with BYU (considered a P5 opponent) which is a game that gets eyeballs and Utah seems to win in epic fashion each year - so that's good for Utah.

    It would be great seeing USU as a constant feature as well on the schedule.

    Most of all, the PAC is in trouble, rather than hiring PR people, they should recognize their problems and fix them. This is solvable!

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 15, 2019 1:03 p.m.

    @Real Ute - Dallas, TX
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:57 a.m.

    "Regardless of your blind speculation, we Utes want to play our "brothers" in Logan and tell BYU to go do whatever they wish to......The Y-U games are no longer on our radar my dear friend."

    Actually, you don't speak for all Utes. Because if you did, the series would not have been extended by two years. Face it, amongst True (not "real") Ute fans, you and your ilk are the minority.

    6 more years and then, as Buzz Lightyear said: "To infinity, and beyond!"

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:58 p.m.

    Utah fans who claim that playing BYU does nothing for them ignore reality.

    BYU is usually the highest ranked OOC opponent on Utah’s schedule (true in 2018), and BYU is usually ranked higher than several PAC 12 teams (Arizona, Cal, Colorado and Oregon St in 2018).

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:55 p.m.

    @JohnInSLC - Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 5:21 a.m.

    "If by that you mean, Utah admins prevailed who know it will cost less to keep the legislature happy than the fan base happy, well then, yes."

    Such obsessed paranoia.

  • Jello is Good ,
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:54 p.m.

    @Spokane Ute - Spokane, WA
    Jan. 14, 2019 6:16 p.m.

    "It’s tough to play both Utah State and BYU when you only get three nonconference games. With that said I would much rather play Utah State, there fans have class"

    Well that was a "classy" comment. I look forward to at least 6 more years of that "class".

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:37 p.m.

    @ 4601,

    Your blind speculation that I have an "obsession" with BYU is merely your hope, nothing else, or greater fine sir. I simply don't see any merit in scheduling BYU in any sport. Really, whY do they matter? We are is the PAC now, games that matter to all Utes and we want to improve our recruiting across the nation is our goal/focus.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:27 p.m.

    @ blue n gold,

    I so enjoyed your RWE quote! That was good stuff fine saint.

    I cannot help but think of Mark Twain and how viewed the quintessentially frightened and superstitious.

    I wish you peace, sir.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:26 p.m.

    Utah should not run from a long-term series with Utah State. USU is the best program in the state right now, and maybe Utah can up its game by playing USU. I'm dead serious. And I'm a BYU fan. USU has it going.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:17 p.m.

    Utemythology

    “At RES BYU is NEVER the largest crowd”

    yawn

    BYU-Utah (46,017) was one of the highest attended games on Utah’s 2018 schedule, beating the CCG, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona, Colorado, No Illinois, Weber St, and Washington St, and only slightly fewer than Utah’s highest attended games at Washington (47,445), and the Holiday Bowl (47,707).

    By comparison, BYU averaged 52,476 at LES, 5,000 more than Utah’s highest attended game.

    Don’t even bother with capacity since the Utes have already signalled with their stadium expansion plans that they don’t think they have enough fans to justify adding more than 5,000 seats to RES.

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:12 p.m.

    Brad Rock is merely stoking non-existent fires here in 2019, has done for many years of course. Utah vs BYU or Utah State football or basketball doesn't matter one iota any longer. Utah, now being young in PAC competition, has only ONE rival as it stands today..........UCLA vs Utah gymnastics. That is now the toughest NCAA sanctioned ticket in the state of Utah, bar none! It will be another bitter "bloodbath" yet again this season!!!!!

    Gooooooo Utes!

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 12:03 p.m.

    Real Ute - Dallas, TX

    "Regardless of your blind speculation, we Utes want to play our "brothers" in Logan and tell BYU to go do whatever they wish to......The Y-U games are no longer on our radar my dear friend."

    If it was not on your radar you wouldn't have an obsession with BYU.

  • blue n gold Redmond, WA
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:49 a.m.

    Real Ute - Dallas, TX
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:57 a.m.
    @ Christy B,

    “Regardless of your blind speculation, we Utes want to play our “brothers” in Logan...”

    ———

    Paraphrasing Ralph Waldo Emerson

    Utah’s actions scream so loudly, we can’t hear a word you’re saying.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:35 a.m.

    @ConradGurch

    Utah needs that game as much as BYU. That is the largest crowd Utah plays in front of all year.

    ---------------

    Since 2011:

    * At LES Utah is ALWAYS the largest crowd

    * At RES BYU is NEVER the largest crowd

    Source: Attendance

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:29 a.m.

    Real Ute - Dallas, TX
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:57 a.m.
    @ Christy B,

    Regardless of your blind speculation, we Utes want to play our "brothers" in Logan and tell BYU to go do whatever they wish to......

    LOL 🤣

    The Utes couldn’t care less about playing the Aggies if it means having to travel to Logan.

    Remind us when U last played a basketball game in Logan.

    Remind us how many games Utah has played at San Jose St and Fresno St, since last scheduling a game in Logan.

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:17 a.m.

    AlwaysanAggie,

    The difference between BYU and USU is that BYU has made itself a history and USU really never has. USU has played remarkably well, but it's not a historical team. Whereas any college football fan over the age of about 35 knows immediately recognizes the name BYU.

    While Utah fans love to put down BYU as a non-game, the scores speak for themselves in terms of being competitive, and it's been a lot of close games. This is why BYU fans won't get tired of playing Utah, and given the history of the games it's always getting a good billing and brings in money, which is why schools play football.

    Don't believe the Utah fans claiming that they don't care - look at the comments generated anytime BYU and Utah are mentioned in a headline, their fingers type that they don't care while they are obsessed with it.

    The problem with USU and Utah is the risk factor. Anybody watching USU knows it's a dangerous team, but you don't get the credit you deserve.

    I don't blame the Utes for not including USU, but if they win nobody cares because they were supposed to win, the last game was a loss, and it's devastating. Unfortunately they have no upside in playing USU.

  • bemorefair , 00
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:20 a.m.

    @Uteology

    Are you serious?! What other top 25 programs are willing to play BYU?

    There's literally TWO OTHERS IN SEPTEMBER IN PROVO. Do you just want to argue with BYU fans for the sake of arguing even though you are 100% wrong? Wow.

    Thanks for making my point so perfectly by trying to refute it. haha

  • london_josh Lincoln, CA
    Jan. 15, 2019 11:10 a.m.

    "You should be thanking Utah for giving you the honor to play us."

    Hubris alert!!!

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:57 a.m.

    @ Christy B,

    Regardless of your blind speculation, we Utes want to play our "brothers" in Logan and tell BYU to go do whatever they wish to......The Y-U games are no longer on our radar my dear friend.

  • Simple Holladay, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:50 a.m.

    I am ok to play BYU and USU (and go ahead and throw Weber St into the mix) for Basketball, because you have a ton of flexibility in that schedule, even add in SUU and Dixie and you would still have plenty of games to schedule with whomever. But there is a reason Alabama schedules 3 cream puffs every year in football. If forced to play BYU and USU every year that leaves you with only 1 freebie. It hinders player development, harder on your depth, and effects recruiting. Really ? we have to play nearly every game in Utah ?
    I would much rather alternate home & home series every 2 years with BYU & USU than lock it into one or the other.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:43 a.m.

    bemorefair - , 00
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:11 a.m.
    It's time to put an old argument to rest once and for all.

    "BYU needs Utah on its schedule."

    The only scheduling "need" BYU has is November and bowl games. If Utah is unwilling to play in November after Thanksgiving, then BYU is getting as little from playing Utah in September as Utah is getting from BYU.

    ------------------

    Utah can ALWAYS schedule another cupcake in September. In fact, we prefer to play Utah State.

    What other Top 25 P5 program is willing to give BYU a long-term series and travel to LES?

    You want Alabama? Well Alabama never plays a G5 team on the road.

    You should be thanking Utah for giving you the honor to play us.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:33 a.m.

    ConradGurch - Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:01 a.m.
    @Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah

    Don't kid yourself about the team down south. Utah needs that game as much as BYU. That is the largest crowd Utah plays in front of all year plus, it is a money maker.

    --------------

    Maybe in your fantasies.

    We play in front of large crowds all year at RES. In fact, BYU couldn't even sellout 3K allocated seats this year.

    Utah vs:
    Weber State 45,988
    BYU 46,017

    Congrats on beating out Weber State by 29 more people. The largest crowd was against Washington 47,445.

    The money maker is the PAC-12 games, not the BYU game.

  • AlwaysAnAggie Hyrum, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:30 a.m.

    It would be cool to play the Utes every couple of years or so. Just because you know that they will be a well coached team with good athletes. It would be a wonderful measuring stick for the Aggies. However for an Aggie fan to suggest that the Utes are afraid of the Aggies is ridiculous. The games are all about money and recruiting. Playing the Aggies does nothing for the Utes, and playing the Utes does not really benefit the Ags other than maybe a few dollars. Lets be wise and don't waste a game beating up on one another. If the Aggies beef up their schedule a little and go 12-0 they could make a New Years Day game, without playing the Utes. The Utes can benefit their recruiting by playing other teams outside the state of Utah. The extended schedule with BYU is baffling though, it does less for Utah than playing the Aggies does. I suspect that once the Utes have a 12 year streak of beating BYU that one team or the other will lose interest in playing.

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 10:22 a.m.

    Real Ute

    Despite your bogus rant, the ONLY reason Utah is ignoring Utah State in football and in men’s basketball is the Utes are too scared to play in Logan...

    period!

  • Real Ute Dallas, TX
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:57 a.m.

    I am saddened that the University of Utah is ignoring, most definitely by political force, our "true" instate football rival = Utah State. The state of Utah is controlled by one entity ONLY and for that sole reason I left Salt Lake City over 22 years ago. Oh my goodness.........a shame..........

  • mdp Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:29 a.m.

    imho- Local sports have gotten got much worse since the old WAC days= the PAC skrewed everything up for everyone.

  • bemorefair , 00
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:11 a.m.

    It's time to put an old argument to rest once and for all.

    "BYU needs Utah on its schedule."

    The only scheduling "need" BYU has is November and bowl games. If Utah is unwilling to play in November after Thanksgiving, then BYU is getting as little from playing Utah in September as Utah is getting from BYU.

    BYU does not "need" Utah. Not in 2019 or ever. BYU is a national brand. Utah is a commuter school. The only reason Utah fans say they do not need BYU is because they want to end the rivalry on a winning note. (The George Costanza exit.)

    2019: 6 Home, 6 Road
    Aug 29 – UTAH
    Sept 7 – @ Tennessee
    Sept 14 – SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
    Sept 21 – WASHINGTON
    Sept 28 – @ Toledo
    Oct 12 – @ South Florida
    Oct 19 – BOISE STATE
    Nov 2 – @ Utah State
    Nov 9 – LIBERTY
    Nov 16 – IDAHO STATE
    Nov 23 – @ UMass (Gillette Stadium, Foxborough, MA)
    Nov 30 – @ San Diego State
    Hawai'i Bowl vs American

    oh, and #1is coming

    Go Cougs!!!

  • tblack7070 Idaho Falls, ID
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:03 a.m.

    Growing up USU Utah was always fun even though we didnt win a ton. If the Utes wont schedule us they should at least give the Beehive boot back. Looks like it doesnt mean that much to big bro anyway.

  • Whosaidthat Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:56 a.m.

    USU does not need to play Utah, they are in the PAC12. They are having trouble finding helmets big enough to fit as it is.

    It is always more fun to watch Utah fold in a clutch game.

    I just hope USU can continue its winning ways. The fact that Utah won't schedule them speaks more about the Utes than the Aggies and then when the Utes choke it just verifies it.

    BYwho.. the state of Utah has always been a gold mine of who did what to who and when they did it.

    Love it!

  • ConradGurch Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 9:01 a.m.

    @Uteology - East Salt Lake City, Utah

    Don't kid yourself about the team down south. Utah needs that game as much as BYU. That is the largest crowd Utah plays in front of all year plus, it is a money maker.

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:32 a.m.

    I have always loved USU...but their fans are a bit out of touch. Look at the teams they played last year. I think they are a great story...but to think that they can play with the big boys every week is kind of funny. Once you regularly beat Boise and Fresno...then you can pound your chest a bit. But please stop this non-sense until you consistently at least make it to the conference championship. You like to knock BYU and Utah...yet you forget how they dominated that conference almost every year before they moved on. Yes, your BYU win last year was great, but a program isn't built on a couple games each year. Just saying...

  • John S. Harvey Sandy, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 8:30 a.m.

    I get it - Utah has nothing to gain and much to lose if it plays USU. It would be a game that Utah would be expected to win so if it didn't win it would be a big deal. The same is true for Utah playing BYU, but since BYU has a lot more political pull than USU the legislature forces Utah's hand and Utah continues to play BYU.

    Ideally I would like to see Utah play USU and BYU on alternate years. But it is not going to happen. The money and reputational risks mean it is not worth it to Utah to adopt this schedule - and Utah is in the driver's seat.

    I agree with many of the Utah posters that USU and Utah are "not comparable" - USU is ranked and Utah isn't.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Jan. 15, 2019 7:03 a.m.

    MRM - Layton, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:56 p.m.
    Utah could easily drop a home and home with Fresno St to schedule a home and home with Utah St, but the Utes are scared to death of playing the Aggies in Logan in football or basketball.

    ------

    Basketball played at Kentucky 3 weeks ago but we're scared to play at the power house in Logan?

    As far as football, your logic doesn't make sense. Fresno is a top 25 team, dropping them would be cowardly.

    Instead we should drop the cupcake down south, which hasn't sniffed a ranking in a decade, and add USU.

    As long as you guys don't go complaining to the State legislature, let's make it happen.

  • gchris Rock Springs, WY
    Jan. 15, 2019 6:28 a.m.

    If college sports were played for the right reason instead of for the almighty dollar, BYU, Utah, and Utah State would play each other every year and probably in the same conference. It would be easy to say that Utah is too arrogant and self-possessed to play their fellow state university fifty miles away, but the truth is that money has been driving most college sports scheduling decisions since the formation of the so-called “power conferences.”

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 15, 2019 5:21 a.m.

    "cooler thinking heads prevailed."

    Nottoosmartforme:

    If by that you mean, Utah admins prevailed who know it will cost less to keep the legislature happy than the fan base happy, well then, yes.

  • Go Big Blue!!! Bountiful, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:48 p.m.

    The days are gone when USU needed to play the Utes. The conference-less Y on the other hand needs all the scheduling help that they can get these days. Without a one for one deal USU should not schedule any games with the Utes.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:09 p.m.

    After we make it 14 straight, byu will voluntarily go away, as they should.

    Go Utes!

    p.s. Anybody know our record against usu in Logan this century?

    I don’t care enough to hit Stassen & look it up myself, I just find it amusing reading that we’re afraid of hitting that place for a game because of 1 OT game involving a controversial call, particularly knowing we’ve straight OWNED usu both Home/Away overall over the years....Hilarious!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    Jan. 14, 2019 11:05 p.m.

    The Utes bought out their last scheduled game in Logan and have refused to schedule the Aggies since.

  • toosmartforyou Kaysville, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 9:37 p.m.

    Sorry, hot ute partisans; cooler thinking heads prevailed.

  • itswhatithink West Jordan, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 8:13 p.m.

    I was so hoping this game would just go away.

  • Full , 00
    Jan. 14, 2019 7:43 p.m.

    I understand the Utes not scheduling the Aggies with only 3 non-conference games in football. However, some of the best games I went to were Utes vs Aggies in Salt Lake or Logan. I know their basketball coach doesn’t like in-State matchups, but play the Aggies in Basketball. Both teams schedules would be much more fan friendly. And let’s be honest... both home arenas could use better crowds. This get fans primed for the rest of the season early in the year.

  • utahute69 Laguna Niguel, CA
    Jan. 14, 2019 7:38 p.m.

    Really, I don't see Utah fans demanding that USU and BYU play Utah in any sport. However, I would prefer to play both teams every other year. Perhaps BYU's AD will be able to negotiate a home and home with Alabama and Clemson for those off years.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 7:33 p.m.

    If the PAC had 8 conference games instead of 9 there'd be more room for some USU games but as it stands it gets pretty cramped unless some of the BYU slots get replaced with USU.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Jan. 14, 2019 6:16 p.m.

    It’s tough to play both Utah State and BYU when you only get three nonconference games. With that said I would much rather play Utah State, there fans have class

  • ArizonaUte SLC, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 5:06 p.m.

    I love the comments about how Utah is afraid to play either Utah State or BYU.

    1) How was Utah supposed to know USU was going to be good the last 2 yrs? They haven't been on the schedule for a while now. And had losing records for a while before the last two seasons.

    2) Utah took a two yr. break to play Michigan (ended up playing BYU one of those anyway). And BYU fans always say they were replaced with Fresno St.

    If BYU fans would rather compare themselves to Fresno than Michigan, that's their business.

    Utah compared them more to Michigan and weren't going to play both, plus a 9 game Conf. schedule those yrs. Truth. It was more of a nod to BYU being a tough game.

    And Utah is so scared to play BYU they just extended the rivalry two more yrs. And will very likely keep doing that for many, many yrs. to come.

    And the 99 games we played in total should suggest otherwise as well.

    I'd like to play USU but we do want some of your OOC games to be out of the state of Utah for recruiting purposes alone.

    Utah only has 3 OOC games per yr.

  • Wild Ute Sandy, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 5:05 p.m.

    Utah is P5 PAC12 school the announcement should have been Utah will play BYU and USU alternating years and at Rice Eccles Stadium.

    Why should Utah travel to USU or to Provo to help BYUs dying program. Wake up Harlan playing BYU does nothing for the Utes program. Get rid of them or play them every other year and add USU.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 4:48 p.m.

    I appreciate that Utah State fans are secure enough about their team, that they don't feel a need to "prove" themselves against Utah. It has been great to support both Utah and Utah State on their unique paths to success. Congrats, Aggies! Get that division title next year!

  • KimmyP Grantsville, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 4:07 p.m.

    Utah State finished the season ranked in the top 20 without playing Utah.

    byu needs Utah much more than USU does, hence the threat of being audited if the game is cancelled.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Jan. 14, 2019 3:51 p.m.

    @MRM:

    "Utah could easily drop a home and home with Fresno St to schedule a home and home with Utah St, but the Utes are scared to death of playing the Aggies in Logan in football or basketball."

    Lol! A lot of un-provable suppositions there. Oh well, you can't blame them for wanting to be one of the big boys.

    Go Utes!
    Oh that Logan angst!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 3:27 p.m.

    “USU doesn’t need Utah as much as BYU does. (This tell you where the two programs stand relative to each other!) The Aggies can reach a New Year’s Six bowl game without ever glancing at the Utes. They just had one of the finest seasons in school history, going 11-2 and finishing the season among ranked teams (22) ..."

    I truly wish Utah would have awarded Utah State for their great season by scheduling the tougher, at this time, in-state school. Let the criticism of Utah's soft out of conference scheduling continue.

    And for those who argue that Utah could play both each year, let see how your school would schedule if they play 9 - 10 Power 5 conference teams in a year rather than the 3-5 currently! Consider, also, that the PAC-12 and the Big 10 are the only conferences scheduling 9 conference opponents each year! Do you want your team to play 10 or 11 games each year against the same opponents?

    Some Utah fans would treasure a trip through Sardine Canyon over the road through Lindon, Orem, etc.!

  • Aggieman1105 West Jordan, ut
    Jan. 14, 2019 3:17 p.m.

    Great day for FB in the State of Utah, but a sad day for Aggie fans. why can't the utes trade off each year against, BYU and USU? Every other year would be better than nothing.

  • JackRyanSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 3:19 p.m.

    As a Ute booster and fan, I support Utah playing BYU each year with a home and home schedule. But I would only support a 2 and 1 schedule with USU. It was disappointing to see the USU athletic director say that he was only interested in a home and home and that he was working on that with Utah...to later learn that he hadn't even contacted Harlan about it. (during the Gary Anderson press conference) I love USU...but be real, there is a huge gap between them and Utah. Utah gets nothing out of the game.

  • MRM Layton, UT
    Jan. 14, 2019 2:56 p.m.

    Utah could easily drop a home and home with Fresno St to schedule a home and home with Utah St, but the Utes are scared to death of playing the Aggies in Logan in football or basketball.