No conference It’s nice to pretend that you’re relevant
when you have never won a national championship, have never won a Heisman
trophy, have never had a national HOF player, have never had the nation’s
best QB, Passer or RB, have only had eight AP Top 25 finishes, have only had two
11+ win seasons, and have only won six conference championships in the last
sixty years, only one during the Whittingham era.The truth is,
clinging to the coattails of the big boys of the “conference of
champions”, does not make you relevent.
It’s too bad we can’t post pics here because I’d love to see
what one of these imaginary SOS trophies that Utah fans are constantly bragging
about actually looks like.Suffice it to say, that they’re
likely running out of room in their trophy closet and will have to include
another closet in their RES expansion plans.
plyxply, I don't know about you. But I like pretending we are relevant.
Imaginary undefeated seasons, world wide fan base, NY6 game, Playoffs, P5
invite.....the list goes on.Its fun to pretend, because it feels better
than reality. After all, its our legacy.
Respect for the Utah football program continues to decline. They can't
recruit a wr who can catch a ball, they are now back to re-tread OC's, and
they like to pretend they are very important with their pac 12 stickers and
flags, yet are still middle of the pack in the state of Utah. BYU needs Utah on
their schedule, but USU is clearly the best program in the state and will be
until someone actually beats them. It will be until at least 2025 before Utah
fans will be able to dispute that fact.
"No Ute claimed we have higher attendance at RES. That again is a false
claim by you."- Perry Mason
@London Josh - The difference is that BYU football is history and USU is now
making football history. My son is a freshman at the Y, too bad there
hasn't been much for him to cheer for as a cougar, besides women's
Mythology:"Nonsense! The College Playoff Committee disagrees with you.
Which is why 11-2 Utah State was only ranked one time all year. Utah was ranked
because our SOS #26 was on par with Clemson. You can't figure that
out?"We're talking about the post-season...thus the term
"also-rans". Lol YOU can't figure that out? The CFP is designed to
determine playoff teams, not final ranking (as has been aptly pointed out but
apparently some of U aren't understanding). So I repeat, only also-rans
fall back on boasting about SOS when they aren't ranked at the end of the
year.Also according to your logic, Fresno St and Boise St never
should have been CFP ranked either.Obsessive fans also use terms
like "Team A and Team B" to express their angst over fans who may cheer
and donate to different programs. It's obvious and transparent however, as
everyone recognizes this as the typical Utah inferiority complex. Btw, give Moss
a call...Holyfield declared for the draft so maybe now he could make the 3 deep
london_josh - Lincoln, CAJan. 16, 2019 12:18 a.m.Utah's average
attendance is 45,913 last year, BYU's average is 56,267.Is this
a margin of loss argument? I thought only BYU fans are allowed to make those.--------------Why are BYU fans having a hard time
understanding their own spin?BYU "fans" made the argument
that BYU is Utah's biggest draw.That is a FALSE statement.No Ute claimed we have higher attendance at RES. That again is a false
claim by you.
Cougsndawgs - West Point , UTJan. 16, 2019 11:23 a.m.Only also-rans
talk about their SOS. How many people do you see talking about Clemson's
SOS (only bumped up to 25 after playing ND and Bama)? While we're on the
subject though, I'm still trying to figure out how Utah's was so high
after playing in the lowest rated division in the P5, according to Sagarin. -------------Nonsense! The College Playoff Committee
disagrees with you. Which is why 11-2 Utah State was only ranked one time all
year. Utah was ranked because our SOS #26 was on par with Clemson. You
can't figure that out?Nope! Also-runs talk about their Team B
bemorefair - , 00Jan. 15, 2019 11:20 a.m.@UteologyAre
you serious?! What other top 25 programs are willing to play BYU? There's literally TWO OTHERS IN SEPTEMBER IN PROVO. Do you just want to
argue with BYU fans for the sake of arguing even though you are 100% wrong?
Wow.Thanks for making my point so perfectly by trying to refute it.
haha------------That's not what I said, what I said
was:"What other Top 25 P5 program is willing to give BYU a
long-term series and travel to LES?"The key here is
"long-term" home-and-home series. You should be thanking Utah.
Only also-rans talk about their SOS. How many people do you see talking about
Clemson's SOS (only bumped up to 25 after playing ND and Bama)? While
we're on the subject though, I'm still trying to figure out how
Utah's was so high after playing in the lowest rated division in the P5,
according to Sagarin. And any argument about final rankings that
doesn't have Clemson #1 and still has ND #3 can be ignored...its a
fallacious argument that obviously holds no water. That's why everyone
(except a few obsessed Utah fans apparently) turns to the final AP/Coach's
poll to determine their final ranking.
@UtahBlueDevil - Alpine, UTIn response to your comments first,
contrary to some who post on here, BYU is not ND and never will be.Second, BYU has had 9 straight years of a home schedule that includes one or
two good opponents, and the rest bottom feeders of the G5.Third, in
order to work around the TV schedule these games late in the year against
horrible opponents come at night when it is cold and late.As I said
in my comment, that is my belief and premise and it will be easy to prove.
Let's look at their average home attendance after October 19. I think you
will find it above 60,000.And, contrary to arguments from some of
both fan bases, no matter Utah's schedule at the end of the year, they will
average around 46,000 fans. You can't put them in seats you don't
@Jello is Good - for the most part your statement seems reasoned. The
exception being to the whole guest schedule part is several years ago I visited
Notre Dame for a game against Duke in football. It was the final season game
of the year for both teams, mid-November, sleeting and raining, in the evening,
and despite being the last game of the season, both teams had had only one
previous win. It was a game between two teams that were at the bottom. And
yet when we arrived there were Irish fans everywhere hours before the game. It
was the final game of the season, one which had seen sell-outs for each previous
game, and there were over 100,000 in attendance.Storied programs
that have loyal fans seen full stadiums regardless. The last few home games I
went to at BYU last year were anything but. Notre Dame was 1-10, and sold out.
If BYU fans need 10 win seasons for them to show up, its going to be a while
before the stadium sells out. Love that they updating the stadium this year
though - that may help.
I always find attendance smack talk humorous.To some Y fans: RES is
small, but sells out for most games. If they had the same capacity as LES, they
too would have big crowds for some games and less for lesser opponents. They
are in a P5, play quality entertaining teams that have a big draw. To some Ute fans: BYU has a terrible home schedule most years of
independence. The majority of their big games have been played away from LES.
Despite that, they have still averaged 57,000 or more fans. Only 7 years has
BYU averaged less than 60,000, five of them coming since independence.Some have claimed this drop in attendance is due to the drop in the team.
There is some merit to that as the only other sub-60,000 years were in the
Crowton Era. But I believe the drop has much more to do with the quality of the
home opponent.This premise should be easy to prove or disprove.
This coming year our first 4 home games are Utah, USC, Washington and Boise
State. I predict the average attendance for those four games will be well over
60,000. How well attended the last 2 home games against Liberty and Idaho State
will depend on how well we did in the 8 games the precede them.
"Unless it’s after the bowl games, and it’s a bunch of
sportswriters and not a committee, right? "So final rankings are
before the bowl games and must be done by committee rather than just a bunch of
sports writers because we all know that there is collective bias in 65 or 125
people that just can't exist among a dozen people.And the final
CFP rankings must reign supreme, with Alabama at 1 and ND at 3 - right?again - all of this comes from your argument that BYU fans are the ones who
argue margins of losses and try and make losses wins - an example of that would
be rejecting the coaches poll and AP because it reflects your loss - but you
wouldn't be hypocritical like that, right?
Utah's average attendance is 45,913 last year, BYU's average is
56,267.Is this a margin of loss argument? I thought only BYU fans
are allowed to make those.
phoenix - Gilbert, AZJan. 15, 2019 12:17 p.m.Utemythology “At RES BYU is NEVER the largest crowd”yawnBYU-Utah (46,017) was one of the highest attended games on Utah’s 2018
schedule, beating the CCG, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona, Colorado, No Illinois, Weber
St, and Washington St, and only slightly fewer than Utah’s highest
attended games at Washington (47,445), and the Holiday Bowl (47,707).--------Try keeping up.The argument made by a BYU fan
was that BYU is always the largest crowd on Utah's schedule.That is false.But Utah is your largest attended game at LES.
“CFP is to get teams into the CFP. That's it's only
purpose.“Of course this is your “take”, since your
team has never even remotely been ranked in it, not even for a single
week—LOLContrary to your “interpretation”, the CFP
ranking carries meaning/national relevance, from top-to-bottom, period.Go Utes!
“being in the teens and 20s is meaningless.”london-josher:Unless it’s after the bowl games, and
it’s a bunch of sportswriters and not a committe, right? I
still marvel at your warm embrace of USU, but I suppose you have to find
somebody else to champion since your coogs let you down, again.
CFP is to get teams into the CFP. That's it's only purpose. Final rankings are final rankings. Notice that the CFP does not
update after the playoffs, that's always been the AP poll.According to the CFP clemson is #2, what do you think? Congrats on
winning the SOS though!
It's so great to see byu fans insisting Utah must schedule the coog's
each year, for no other reason than both teams are from the same state.Last we checked, both SUU and Weber State are in the same state as byu, but
the coog's believe it's beneath them to play a team from Ogden or
Cedar City on an annual basis.
@ Real Ute - Dallas, TX - Jan. 15, 2019 9:57 a.m. - "I am saddened that the
University of Utah is ignoring, most definitely by political force, our
"true" instate football rival = Utah State."My comment:
So, RealUte, if your "true" instate football rival is Utah State you are
always commenting negatively on BYU articles because?....
“I don't blame the Utes for not including USU, but if they win nobody
cares because they were supposed to win, the last game was a loss, and it's
devastating. Unfortunately they have no upside in playing USU.”Which “last game”? We beat usu the last 2 games &
historically straight OWN them both Home/Away, period.Go Utes!
“I agree with many of the Utah posters that USU and Utah are ‘not
comparable’ - USU is ranked and Utah isn't.”usu
didn’t finish CFP ranked & backed into their human polls final
rankings via one of the nation’s absolute weakest SOS rankings @ #113.Had they played against a finish ranked bowl game opponent, they
would’ve lost & finished unranked, across-the-board, period.Heck, they couldn’t even win their own midmajor division—LOLEnough w/this “best team in the state” tripe, as they played
against a SOS 5 times weaker than ours, one that would’ve absolutely
crushed them, period.Go Utes!
london_josh - "But, for end of season there is an AP ranking."Don't forget Sagarin. Cougar fans used to love the Sagarin rankings!This year's post-season:#23 Utah#27 Utah State#63
BYU#110 Weber State
One thing the Utah fans should consider. If they had played Utah State and won
they would have finished the season ranked. Remember when Utah had no problem
scheduling USU when the Aggies weren't very good. But as soon as the
Aggies started having good teams the scheduling stopped. If your content with
being the number 2 or 3 team in the state go for it.
Thats ok. We all know Utah is too scared to schedule Utah State anyway. I will
take it as a compliment that our program has turned a corner. They can continue
to schedule patsies they know the can beat like Weber/SUU, Byu, and a different
MWC school. I will just enjoy cheering for USU and our nice little streak we
are starting against BYU. Utah can do their own thing. Go Aggies! Best team
in the state (according the the press and coches, you know the people who
actually make a living off of analyzing football).
"But playing two in-state games annually will seldom if ever happen."
WRONG. Rock, it happened this last year (Weber and BYU both played Utah). And
from 2021 through 2024 it will happen with either Weber or SUU and BYU.
The CFP is made for one thing - selecting teams for the CFPThe top 6
or 7 matter, and in the end the top 4 are the only criteria.But, for
end of season there is an AP ranking.John seems to be less
opinionated when asked who was the better team at the end of the season, Utah or
USU. I'm going to go way out on a limb and not disagree with the 65
writers in the AP.The coaches poll also has USU in there and Utah
not included, well, Utah's mentioned as the only team that dropped from the
coaches poll in the bowl game, so that it technically a mention.I do
love all of the talk about legacy in the CFP - being in the teens and 20s is
In 2020, BYU plays...@UtahMichigan St@Arizona St@MinnesotaUtah StMissouriHouston@NIU@Boise StSan Diego StNorth Alabama@StanfordThat’s a much
tougher schedule than Utah ever played in the MWC, and tougher than many
P5’s play.Rivals Utah St and Utah are both sandwiched between
tough opponents.Utah has NEVER played 4 straight P5’s to start
the season, Arizona St owns Utah, Utah has never beaten
an FBS Boise State, and Utah has never beaten a regular
season SEC opponent.
JohninSLC Without looking it up, guaranteed you couldn’t name
all of the teams ranked from #11 to #25 in the final 2018 CFP poll.That’s how “relevant” Utah is to the rest of the country.Just another team that’s had a good season or 2 since the CFP
started, which may, or may not, have been ranked in the CFP poll at some point.
Jonny boy"no CFP...?'Remind us the last time
Utah was actually relevant in the CFP discussion.Hint 1: If
you're not at least in the Top 6 in the final CFP ranking, you're not relevant.Hint 2:A Utah team with more than
ONE loss will NEVER get a CFP berth.Hint 3:Even a PAC 12
champion Utah team with more than ONE loss, will NEVER get a CFP berth.
"will do just fine in October/November 2020"no CFP coog:Can you wait that long? Maybe it will help offset Liberty, Idaho State
and UMass this November.
Utah fans still whining about BYU schedules obviously have looked at BYU's
future schedules.In 2020, BYU plays...@UtahMichigan St@Arizona St@MinnesotaUtah StMissouriHouston@NIU@Boise StSan Diego StNorth Alabama@Stanford
No playoff for U“Thanks for sharing, but Utah St, Missouri,
Houston, NIU, Boise St, San Diego St, No Alabama and Stanford will do just fine
in October/November 2020.”That’s a solid
"Such obsessed paranoia."jelly/squirtle:If by
that you mean, the very real fear of Greg Hughes getting out of breath again and
wasting public funds to take Utah to task for NOT scheduling BYU-P, well, okay
then.If you don't know who Greg Hughes is, inform yourself
before making knee-jerk accusations.
Real Ute“... in late October and November. Dixie St. may be a
better ball game and mean more than Wagner, McNeese State or New Mexico
State?”Thanks for sharing, but Utah St, Missouri, Houston,
NIU, Boise St, San Diego St, No Alabama and Stanford will do just fine in
October/November 2020.It’s taken time to create an Independent
schedule, since college football games are scheduled so far in advance, but
BYU’s schedule is steadily improving, including late season games.
Jskm“JSKM1232 - Sandy, UTJan. 15, 2019 1:22 p.m.@MRM - Layton, UT"Utah could easily drop a home and home with
Fresno St to schedule a home and home with Utah St, but the Utes are scared to
death of playing the Aggies in Logan in football or basketball"= = = =
=“And pray tell why would that be? Or is it just a wishful
fantasy on your part?”Because Utah St spanked Utah the last
time the Utes visited Logan, prompting the Utes to buy out their last scheduled
game in Logan and suspend any talk of future games with the Aggies.
@ConradGurch - Salt Lake City, Utah"@Uteology - East Salt Lake
City, UtahDon't kid yourself about the team down south. Utah
needs that game as much as BYU. That is the largest crowd Utah plays in front of
all year plus, it is a money maker"= = = = =Largest crowd,
Money maker? You're kidding right? A money maker for BYU maybe. Largest
crowd next year maybe, maybe not.
@ FACTchequer,I agree with you 100%! WhY are we(Utah) scheduling BYU
and not going to Florida, Texas, Ohio or the likes? It is CrAzY! BYU does zero
for Utah and if the U of U could escape the political travesty controlling Utah
we'd see those games my friend.
@ talkinsports,I hear ya brother. BYU is in fact, most years,
Utah's highest ranked OOC football opponent. What that speaks of, as we
Utes and the nation views as well, is that Utah has a very weak OOC schedule and
for almost zero recruiting or rankings benefit. I thunk BYU should explore
scheduling Dixie State next decade........and they certainly will in late
October and November. Dixie St. may be a better ball game and mean more than
Wagner, McNeese State or New Mexico State?
Real Ute“We are is the PAC now, games that matter to all Utes
and we want to improve our recruiting across the nation is our
goal/focus.”How many games east of the Rockies has Utah
SCHEDULED since June 2010?How many games versus Texas, Oklahoma,
Nebraska, Mich St, Wisconsin, Virginia, Ga Tech, or any team from Florida or the
SEC has Utah scheduled since June 2010?Don’t bother with games
that were scheduled prior to the Utes joining the PAC 12.
@MRM - Layton, UT"Utah could easily drop a home and home with
Fresno St to schedule a home and home with Utah St, but the Utes are scared to
death of playing the Aggies in Logan in football or basketball"= = =
= =And pray tell why would that be? Or is it just a wishful fantasy on
It just seems some Ute fans have their heads in the clouds and think way too
highly of themselves.BYU is a solid opponent, however you want to
look at it. Utes act like they're doing BYU a favor because BYU needs Utah
and Utah doesn't need BYU. The real story: Neither team actually needs
each other. This game is a fun rivalry that's historic and produces some
of the most entertaining games in college football. Even though my Cougars have
lost, the games have been fun. Utah wants to play some great
school, but honestly, why is Florida, Michigan, Ohio State, Bama, etc., going to
travel a long distance to play a school that is geographically out of the way,
doesn't compete in recruiting, and isn't a huge resume booster, when
they have close teams that do impact recruiting and are resume boosters? My
guess is Utah isn't going to find a college football elite to come play
them.BYU has done fine with scheduling P5 schools, as the next few
years have 6+ P5 teams, and some of the top G5 teams, which I will argue any day
of the week Boise State, and USU are better than the bottom 2-3 PAC teams every
year anyway, so playing "9 P5" teams doesn't really hold more
Real Ute - Dallas, TXJan. 15, 2019 12:37 p.m.@ 4601,“Your blind speculation that I have an "obsession" with BYU is
merely your hope, nothing else...”As RWE said...
@Real Ute - Dallas, TXJan. 15, 2019 12:37 p.m."Your blind
speculation that I have an "obsession" with BYU is merely your hope,
nothing else, or greater fine sir."If it is nothing but hope
then why do you scurry to every BYU article to cast aspersions on this
institution that you have no feeling for.You prove your obsession
with every comment you make.
This is the right move for Utah, but wrong for the PAC.The PAC
should open it up, play 7 or 8 conference games a year and a mandatory P5 or P5
equiv team. That would put BYU and USU in Utah's schedule and soften up
the grind of the PAC schedule.the PAC has made itself a little
bubble of hubris in SF and has isolated itself on the west coast, where
geography and time zones make it isolated from the P4s.If the PAC
did what other schools do, it opens up a chance to continue the rivalry with BYU
(considered a P5 opponent) which is a game that gets eyeballs and Utah seems to
win in epic fashion each year - so that's good for Utah.It
would be great seeing USU as a constant feature as well on the schedule.Most of all, the PAC is in trouble, rather than hiring PR people, they
should recognize their problems and fix them. This is solvable!
@Real Ute - Dallas, TXJan. 15, 2019 10:57 a.m."Regardless
of your blind speculation, we Utes want to play our "brothers" in Logan
and tell BYU to go do whatever they wish to......The Y-U games are no longer on
our radar my dear friend."Actually, you don't speak for all
Utes. Because if you did, the series would not have been extended by two years.
Face it, amongst True (not "real") Ute fans, you and your ilk are the
minority.6 more years and then, as Buzz Lightyear said: "To
infinity, and beyond!"
Utah fans who claim that playing BYU does nothing for them ignore reality.BYU is usually the highest ranked OOC opponent on Utah’s schedule
(true in 2018), and BYU is usually ranked higher than several PAC 12 teams
(Arizona, Cal, Colorado and Oregon St in 2018).
@JohnInSLC - Cottonwood Heights, UTJan. 15, 2019 5:21 a.m."If by that you mean, Utah admins prevailed who know it will cost less to
keep the legislature happy than the fan base happy, well then, yes."Such obsessed paranoia.
@Spokane Ute - Spokane, WAJan. 14, 2019 6:16 p.m."It’s tough to play both Utah State and BYU when you only get three
nonconference games. With that said I would much rather play Utah State, there
fans have class"Well that was a "classy" comment. I
look forward to at least 6 more years of that "class".
@ 4601,Your blind speculation that I have an "obsession"
with BYU is merely your hope, nothing else, or greater fine sir. I simply
don't see any merit in scheduling BYU in any sport. Really, whY do they
matter? We are is the PAC now, games that matter to all Utes and we want to
improve our recruiting across the nation is our goal/focus.
@ blue n gold,I so enjoyed your RWE quote! That was good stuff fine
saint.I cannot help but think of Mark Twain and how viewed the
quintessentially frightened and superstitious.I wish you peace, sir.
Utah should not run from a long-term series with Utah State. USU is the best
program in the state right now, and maybe Utah can up its game by playing USU.
I'm dead serious. And I'm a BYU fan. USU has it going.
Utemythology “At RES BYU is NEVER the largest crowd”yawnBYU-Utah (46,017) was one of the highest attended games
on Utah’s 2018 schedule, beating the CCG, UCLA, Stanford, Arizona,
Colorado, No Illinois, Weber St, and Washington St, and only slightly fewer than
Utah’s highest attended games at Washington (47,445), and the Holiday Bowl
(47,707).By comparison, BYU averaged 52,476 at LES, 5,000 more than
Utah’s highest attended game.Don’t even bother with
capacity since the Utes have already signalled with their stadium expansion
plans that they don’t think they have enough fans to justify adding more
than 5,000 seats to RES.
Brad Rock is merely stoking non-existent fires here in 2019, has done for many
years of course. Utah vs BYU or Utah State football or basketball doesn't
matter one iota any longer. Utah, now being young in PAC competition, has only
ONE rival as it stands today..........UCLA vs Utah gymnastics. That is now the
toughest NCAA sanctioned ticket in the state of Utah, bar none! It will be
another bitter "bloodbath" yet again this season!!!!!Gooooooo Utes!
Real Ute - Dallas, TX"Regardless of your blind speculation, we
Utes want to play our "brothers" in Logan and tell BYU to go do whatever
they wish to......The Y-U games are no longer on our radar my dear
friend."If it was not on your radar you wouldn't have an
obsession with BYU.
Real Ute - Dallas, TXJan. 15, 2019 10:57 a.m.@ Christy B,“Regardless of your blind speculation, we Utes want to play our
“brothers” in Logan...”———Paraphrasing Ralph Waldo EmersonUtah’s actions scream
so loudly, we can’t hear a word you’re saying.
@ConradGurchUtah needs that game as much as BYU. That is the largest
crowd Utah plays in front of all year.---------------Since 2011:* At LES Utah is ALWAYS the largest crowd*
At RES BYU is NEVER the largest crowdSource: Attendance
Real Ute - Dallas, TXJan. 15, 2019 10:57 a.m.@ Christy B,Regardless of your blind speculation, we Utes want to play our
"brothers" in Logan and tell BYU to go do whatever they wish to......LOL 🤣 The Utes couldn’t care less about
playing the Aggies if it means having to travel to Logan.Remind us
when U last played a basketball game in Logan.Remind us how many
games Utah has played at San Jose St and Fresno St, since last scheduling a game
AlwaysanAggie,The difference between BYU and USU is that BYU has
made itself a history and USU really never has. USU has played remarkably well,
but it's not a historical team. Whereas any college football fan over the
age of about 35 knows immediately recognizes the name BYU.While Utah
fans love to put down BYU as a non-game, the scores speak for themselves in
terms of being competitive, and it's been a lot of close games. This is
why BYU fans won't get tired of playing Utah, and given the history of the
games it's always getting a good billing and brings in money, which is why
schools play football.Don't believe the Utah fans claiming that
they don't care - look at the comments generated anytime BYU and Utah are
mentioned in a headline, their fingers type that they don't care while they
are obsessed with it.The problem with USU and Utah is the risk
factor. Anybody watching USU knows it's a dangerous team, but you
don't get the credit you deserve.I don't blame the Utes
for not including USU, but if they win nobody cares because they were supposed
to win, the last game was a loss, and it's devastating. Unfortunately they
have no upside in playing USU.
@UteologyAre you serious?! What other top 25 programs are willing to
play BYU? There's literally TWO OTHERS IN SEPTEMBER IN PROVO.
Do you just want to argue with BYU fans for the sake of arguing even though you
are 100% wrong? Wow.Thanks for making my point so perfectly by
trying to refute it. haha
"You should be thanking Utah for giving you the honor to play us."Hubris alert!!!
@ Christy B,Regardless of your blind speculation, we Utes want to
play our "brothers" in Logan and tell BYU to go do whatever they wish
to......The Y-U games are no longer on our radar my dear friend.
I am ok to play BYU and USU (and go ahead and throw Weber St into the mix) for
Basketball, because you have a ton of flexibility in that schedule, even add in
SUU and Dixie and you would still have plenty of games to schedule with
whomever. But there is a reason Alabama schedules 3 cream puffs every year in
football. If forced to play BYU and USU every year that leaves you with only 1
freebie. It hinders player development, harder on your depth, and effects
recruiting. Really ? we have to play nearly every game in Utah ?I would
much rather alternate home & home series every 2 years with BYU & USU
than lock it into one or the other.
bemorefair - , 00Jan. 15, 2019 9:11 a.m.It's time to put an old
argument to rest once and for all. "BYU needs Utah on its
schedule."The only scheduling "need" BYU has is November
and bowl games. If Utah is unwilling to play in November after Thanksgiving,
then BYU is getting as little from playing Utah in September as Utah is getting
from BYU. ------------------Utah can ALWAYS schedule
another cupcake in September. In fact, we prefer to play Utah State.What other Top 25 P5 program is willing to give BYU a long-term series and
travel to LES?You want Alabama? Well Alabama never plays a G5 team
on the road. You should be thanking Utah for giving you the honor to
ConradGurch - Salt Lake City, UtahJan. 15, 2019 9:01 a.m.@Uteology -
East Salt Lake City, UtahDon't kid yourself about the team down
south. Utah needs that game as much as BYU. That is the largest crowd Utah plays
in front of all year plus, it is a money maker.--------------Maybe in your fantasies.We play in front of large crowds all
year at RES. In fact, BYU couldn't even sellout 3K allocated seats this
year.Utah vs:Weber State 45,988BYU 46,017Congrats on beating out Weber State by 29 more people. The largest crowd was
against Washington 47,445.The money maker is the PAC-12 games, not
the BYU game.
It would be cool to play the Utes every couple of years or so. Just because you
know that they will be a well coached team with good athletes. It would be a
wonderful measuring stick for the Aggies. However for an Aggie fan to suggest
that the Utes are afraid of the Aggies is ridiculous. The games are all about
money and recruiting. Playing the Aggies does nothing for the Utes, and playing
the Utes does not really benefit the Ags other than maybe a few dollars. Lets be
wise and don't waste a game beating up on one another. If the Aggies beef
up their schedule a little and go 12-0 they could make a New Years Day game,
without playing the Utes. The Utes can benefit their recruiting by playing other
teams outside the state of Utah. The extended schedule with BYU is baffling
though, it does less for Utah than playing the Aggies does. I suspect that once
the Utes have a 12 year streak of beating BYU that one team or the other will
lose interest in playing.
Real UteDespite your bogus rant, the ONLY reason Utah is ignoring
Utah State in football and in men’s basketball is the Utes are too scared
to play in Logan...period!
I am saddened that the University of Utah is ignoring, most definitely by
political force, our "true" instate football rival = Utah State. The
state of Utah is controlled by one entity ONLY and for that sole reason I left
Salt Lake City over 22 years ago. Oh my goodness.........a shame..........
imho- Local sports have gotten got much worse since the old WAC days= the PAC
skrewed everything up for everyone.
It's time to put an old argument to rest once and for all. "BYU needs Utah on its schedule."The only scheduling
"need" BYU has is November and bowl games. If Utah is unwilling to play
in November after Thanksgiving, then BYU is getting as little from playing Utah
in September as Utah is getting from BYU. BYU does not
"need" Utah. Not in 2019 or ever. BYU is a national brand. Utah is a
commuter school. The only reason Utah fans say they do not need BYU is because
they want to end the rivalry on a winning note. (The George Costanza exit.)2019: 6 Home, 6 RoadAug 29 – UTAHSept 7 – @
TennesseeSept 14 – SOUTHERN CALIFORNIASept 21 –
WASHINGTONSept 28 – @ ToledoOct 12 – @ South FloridaOct 19 – BOISE STATENov 2 – @ Utah StateNov 9 –
LIBERTYNov 16 – IDAHO STATENov 23 – @ UMass (Gillette
Stadium, Foxborough, MA)Nov 30 – @ San Diego StateHawai'i
Bowl vs Americanoh, and #1is coming Go Cougs!!!
Growing up USU Utah was always fun even though we didnt win a ton. If the Utes
wont schedule us they should at least give the Beehive boot back. Looks like
it doesnt mean that much to big bro anyway.
USU does not need to play Utah, they are in the PAC12. They are having trouble
finding helmets big enough to fit as it is.It is always more fun to
watch Utah fold in a clutch game.I just hope USU can continue its
winning ways. The fact that Utah won't schedule them speaks more about the
Utes than the Aggies and then when the Utes choke it just verifies it.BYwho.. the state of Utah has always been a gold mine of who did what to who
and when they did it.Love it!
@Uteology - East Salt Lake City, UtahDon't kid yourself about
the team down south. Utah needs that game as much as BYU. That is the largest
crowd Utah plays in front of all year plus, it is a money maker.
I have always loved USU...but their fans are a bit out of touch. Look at the
teams they played last year. I think they are a great story...but to think that
they can play with the big boys every week is kind of funny. Once you regularly
beat Boise and Fresno...then you can pound your chest a bit. But please stop
this non-sense until you consistently at least make it to the conference
championship. You like to knock BYU and Utah...yet you forget how they
dominated that conference almost every year before they moved on. Yes, your BYU
win last year was great, but a program isn't built on a couple games each
year. Just saying...
I get it - Utah has nothing to gain and much to lose if it plays USU. It would
be a game that Utah would be expected to win so if it didn't win it would
be a big deal. The same is true for Utah playing BYU, but since BYU has a lot
more political pull than USU the legislature forces Utah's hand and Utah
continues to play BYU.Ideally I would like to see Utah play USU and
BYU on alternate years. But it is not going to happen. The money and
reputational risks mean it is not worth it to Utah to adopt this schedule - and
Utah is in the driver's seat.I agree with many of the Utah
posters that USU and Utah are "not comparable" - USU is ranked and Utah
MRM - Layton, UTJan. 14, 2019 2:56 p.m.Utah could easily drop a home
and home with Fresno St to schedule a home and home with Utah St, but the Utes
are scared to death of playing the Aggies in Logan in football or basketball.------Basketball played at Kentucky 3 weeks ago but
we're scared to play at the power house in Logan?As far as
football, your logic doesn't make sense. Fresno is a top 25 team, dropping
them would be cowardly. Instead we should drop the cupcake down
south, which hasn't sniffed a ranking in a decade, and add USU.As long as you guys don't go complaining to the State legislature,
let's make it happen.
If college sports were played for the right reason instead of for the almighty
dollar, BYU, Utah, and Utah State would play each other every year and probably
in the same conference. It would be easy to say that Utah is too arrogant and
self-possessed to play their fellow state university fifty miles away, but the
truth is that money has been driving most college sports scheduling decisions
since the formation of the so-called “power conferences.”
"cooler thinking heads prevailed."Nottoosmartforme:If by that you mean, Utah admins prevailed who know it will cost less to keep
the legislature happy than the fan base happy, well then, yes.
The days are gone when USU needed to play the Utes. The conference-less Y on
the other hand needs all the scheduling help that they can get these days.
Without a one for one deal USU should not schedule any games with the Utes.
After we make it 14 straight, byu will voluntarily go away, as they should.Go Utes!p.s. Anybody know our record against usu in Logan
this century?I don’t care enough to hit Stassen & look it
up myself, I just find it amusing reading that we’re afraid of hitting
that place for a game because of 1 OT game involving a controversial call,
particularly knowing we’ve straight OWNED usu both Home/Away overall over
The Utes bought out their last scheduled game in Logan and have refused to
schedule the Aggies since.
Sorry, hot ute partisans; cooler thinking heads prevailed.
I was so hoping this game would just go away.
I understand the Utes not scheduling the Aggies with only 3 non-conference games
in football. However, some of the best games I went to were Utes vs Aggies in
Salt Lake or Logan. I know their basketball coach doesn’t like in-State
matchups, but play the Aggies in Basketball. Both teams schedules would be much
more fan friendly. And let’s be honest... both home arenas could use
better crowds. This get fans primed for the rest of the season early in the
Really, I don't see Utah fans demanding that USU and BYU play Utah in any
sport. However, I would prefer to play both teams every other year. Perhaps
BYU's AD will be able to negotiate a home and home with Alabama and Clemson
for those off years.
If the PAC had 8 conference games instead of 9 there'd be more room for
some USU games but as it stands it gets pretty cramped unless some of the BYU
slots get replaced with USU.
It’s tough to play both Utah State and BYU when you only get three
nonconference games. With that said I would much rather play Utah State, there
fans have class
I love the comments about how Utah is afraid to play either Utah State or BYU.
1) How was Utah supposed to know USU was going to be good the last 2
yrs? They haven't been on the schedule for a while now. And had losing
records for a while before the last two seasons.2) Utah took a two
yr. break to play Michigan (ended up playing BYU one of those anyway). And BYU
fans always say they were replaced with Fresno St. If BYU fans
would rather compare themselves to Fresno than Michigan, that's their
business. Utah compared them more to Michigan and weren't
going to play both, plus a 9 game Conf. schedule those yrs. Truth. It was more
of a nod to BYU being a tough game.And Utah is so scared to play BYU
they just extended the rivalry two more yrs. And will very likely keep doing
that for many, many yrs. to come.And the 99 games we played in total
should suggest otherwise as well. I'd like to play USU but we
do want some of your OOC games to be out of the state of Utah for recruiting
purposes alone. Utah only has 3 OOC games per yr.
Utah is P5 PAC12 school the announcement should have been Utah will play BYU and
USU alternating years and at Rice Eccles Stadium. Why should Utah
travel to USU or to Provo to help BYUs dying program. Wake up Harlan playing BYU
does nothing for the Utes program. Get rid of them or play them every other year
and add USU.
I appreciate that Utah State fans are secure enough about their team, that they
don't feel a need to "prove" themselves against Utah. It has been
great to support both Utah and Utah State on their unique paths to success.
Congrats, Aggies! Get that division title next year!
Utah State finished the season ranked in the top 20 without playing Utah. byu needs Utah much more than USU does, hence the threat of being
audited if the game is cancelled.
@MRM:"Utah could easily drop a home and home with Fresno St to
schedule a home and home with Utah St, but the Utes are scared to death of
playing the Aggies in Logan in football or basketball."Lol! A
lot of un-provable suppositions there. Oh well, you can't blame them for
wanting to be one of the big boys.Go Utes!Oh that Logan angst!
“USU doesn’t need Utah as much as BYU does. (This tell you where
the two programs stand relative to each other!) The Aggies can reach a New
Year’s Six bowl game without ever glancing at the Utes. They just had one
of the finest seasons in school history, going 11-2 and finishing the season
among ranked teams (22) ..."I truly wish Utah would have awarded
Utah State for their great season by scheduling the tougher, at this time,
in-state school. Let the criticism of Utah's soft out of conference
scheduling continue. And for those who argue that Utah could play
both each year, let see how your school would schedule if they play 9 - 10 Power
5 conference teams in a year rather than the 3-5 currently! Consider, also,
that the PAC-12 and the Big 10 are the only conferences scheduling 9 conference
opponents each year! Do you want your team to play 10 or 11 games each year
against the same opponents?Some Utah fans would treasure a trip
through Sardine Canyon over the road through Lindon, Orem, etc.!
Great day for FB in the State of Utah, but a sad day for Aggie fans. why
can't the utes trade off each year against, BYU and USU? Every other year
would be better than nothing.
As a Ute booster and fan, I support Utah playing BYU each year with a home and
home schedule. But I would only support a 2 and 1 schedule with USU. It was
disappointing to see the USU athletic director say that he was only interested
in a home and home and that he was working on that with Utah...to later learn
that he hadn't even contacted Harlan about it. (during the Gary Anderson
press conference) I love USU...but be real, there is a huge gap between them and
Utah. Utah gets nothing out of the game.
Utah could easily drop a home and home with Fresno St to schedule a home and
home with Utah St, but the Utes are scared to death of playing the Aggies in
Logan in football or basketball.