Why doesn’t Schumer and Pelosi go down with Trump and see for themselves?.
Because they don’t want to know. Their whole motive operation is to get
Trump. And what’s funny is about half of this country hasn’t figured
it out. Actually it’s not funny it’s sad and pathetic
SAS - Sandy, UTFeb. 6, 2019 11:16 p.m."The Berlin Wall
also did a very good job of keeping people from crossing it. That doesn't
mean it made East Germany into a nice place."The Berlin Wall was
intended to keep people "in", not keep them "out". Also there
was a a 300 ft wide swath of land as one approached the Wall that had barbed
wire, electrified fence, trenches and minefields to discourage people from
approaching the Wall. Additionally, there were guard towers at specific places
along the Wall where guards were instructed to shoot anyone entering the "no
man's land" area.About 136 people died trying to get past
the Wall, but over 5000 were successful in breaching it. The Wall became more a
political embarrassment for both the governments, East Germany and the Soviet
Union. The United States took advantage of the symbolism of the Wall.It was successful for the most part, but consider all that was necessary to
make it a "workable barrier" Maybe Donald Trump is considering these
additons also to make his wall "work". A "shoot on sight" order
would do wonders for keeping undocumented immigrants out. It would also be a
testament for what we've become as an immigrant nation.
Herbert Gravy - Salinas, CAFeb. 9, 2019 5:26 p.m."So,
let's call it a "barrier"."There's the nub.
How is this "barrier" constructed? Is it a row of rose bushes? What
about a ten foot wide row of Prickly Pear cactus? What about a white, picket
fence? All are "barriers", but how would your "barrier" be made?
Donald Trump said, "Call it "peaches", if you want"
but he never specified how "peaches" would be constructed. Before moving
forward, tell us your conception of how a "barrier" should be done? We
need specifications of what "peaches" really would be. In my mind, I see
a row of peach trees dying in the desert because the climate isn't
conducive for the cultivation of peach trees. Maybe better it be bougainvillea
growing on a trellis. Let's determine the specifications for
this "barrier", construction materials, dimensions, and distance of
coverage, and we can go from there. Arguing what to call it is really absurd
when we don't know what "it" is. A "wall", "fence",
"barrier", "peaches", who knows what it means. Then we can
seriously discuss costs.Perhaps this discussion should only involve
those living along the southern border. They would know best what works.
So, let's call it a "barrier".What we need is an
effective impediment to curb/eliminate ILLEGAL immigration.Can't see why that is a problem. What do other countries do to secure
their borders and maintain their sovereignty?
The confusion continues. What is a "wall". Donald Trump talks about how
a "wall" worked in El Paso, but the story says they have a
"fence". Let's get the definitions clear about what constitutes a
"wall" and what constitutes a "fence". Interchanging the words,
as Trump often does, does not make the argument more effective. And those people
clamoring for a "wall" don't tell us what they mean. A neighbor
might be OK with a "fence", as we all should understand the term, but
may not want a "wall".This is without getting into
Trump's central promise that Mexico would pay for the "wall". Now
he says that Mexico would pay by "some other way" which remains unclear
and typically nebulous. It's like the deal maker trying to cut the deal
without any specifics about the deal. Should American taxpayers buy into a
possible con. People in more distant places like Michigan and Minnesota are more
fearful of Mexicans storming across the border than people actually living on
the border. In the case of El Paso, reading the story, the improvements cited
came with a "fence" not a "wall". But there were other matters
addressed that contributed to the improvements we have seen in the city.
I lived in El Paso when the crime rates were high. Crime was reduced by multiple
factors: the cartel wars going on in Juarez finally ended; the INS/Border Patrol
assigned more officers to patrol the border; the economy died for a while before
it came back, and local law enforcement improved its community policing efforts.
While these things were happening a wall along most of the border from Anapra to
Socorro was being built, even though the river channel (of the Rio Grande) is
the actual border.I'm not sure that the wall improved public safety
in El Paso, but I note that Cd. Juarez became much safer during the same time
period, probably because the wall kept those criminal gringo rapists from
sneaking over the border. The wall did make it easier to control and regulate
border crossings, and a couple of additional ports of entry were opened and/or
expanded. The primary improvement came from assigning sufficient Border Patrol
personnel to do the job.
Walls do work. Ellis Island was an immigration wall to entering America in
it's day and it work sell during the huge European migration. Many
didn't get to come in. All were vetted. As Trump said, we need the wall
to keep enemies and illegals out and he asked hat a bipartisan committee be set
up to modernize our immigration laws. Until then lets get the wall up in the
strategic places that he indicated. The nation cannot withstand illegals and
who know s what walking freely into our country waiting to receive all the free
handouts they can get from the backs of American workers.
@moderateAnd, why would we need a "Canadian wall"?Are Canadians clamoring to enter our country illegally?
Too bad all of the angst and "pithiness" expressed here and on other
boards can't be converted to some positive "energy" that would
actually help our country.Anyone have any good ideas other than the
usual "darts" directed at our duly-elected President?Thanks.
UtahBruin - Eagle Mountain, UT---Did you miss that part of the
speech about tariffs Mexico is paying NOW, that they were not before. You must
have missed that part of the speech I am guessing. So looky there,
money is coming from Mexico NOW, to pay for things.---Tariffs
are paid by the importer, and redistributed through the channel to the consumer.
So, in effect, all those who buy products from Mexico, China, or anywhere else,
where tariffs apply, are ultimately paying the tax.The usual reason
for imposing a tariff is to stimulate local production of the tariffed item, or
protect existing local production.If there is no such local
production, then the tariff is really a punishment on the consumer, since the
distributor will pass on the amount of the tax, and consumers will ultimately
continue to buy.The Wall and Tariffs are ill thought out policies
for solving problems of immigration, trade deficits, or inducing local
production investment in the modern world.Although they do seem to
be magic silver bullets for the Conservatives.
"nannies, home cleaners, gardeners, dish washers"Many who
rationalize illegal immigration in the name of "Compassion," really have
ulterior motivations -- such as a desire for an ongoing supply of cheap,
illegal-alien labor. If it really were about "compassion,"
these would have compassion for many millions around the world -- and for many
in this country, in fact -- who have it as bad, or worse, far worse, than does
the typical illegal alien from south of the border, instead of effectively
WITHHOLDING compassion from these other groups, which is what happens when
illegal immigration is condoned and rewarded.That is why we are to
"Obey, honor and sustain the law." It is the only way to be
compassionate to everyone.
"Democrats congress women and men are protected by Walls and fences and
Armed security yet they are against walls and fences and Armed security for our
southern boarder to protect America from illegal invasion."Invasion.... when your neighbor walks on your lawn... they are invading you?
You do understand that an invasion means taking someone else lands with the goal
of ruling power change.You think these people are doing the same
thing as our boys who landed on Omaha Beach were doing? How over simplistic has
this become. We're be invaded by nannies, home cleaners, gardeners, dish
washers.... they are going to demand to pick our crops for us whether we like
it or not. Can we not go any further overboard with the hyperbole. Yes, crime by illegals is an issue. But lets look at the numbers. In 2007
there were a little over 17,000 murders in the us. From 2009 to 2015 that
number dropped into the 14,000 range. Since we have refocused our energies on
"illegals", the number of murders has jumped back up over 17,000 again.
3,000 murders a year more. 20% jump. It's about focus.
And focusing on the wall isn't decreasing the murder rate.
water rocket - , 00---Surely we are still a nation of compassion,
aren't we?---Unfortunately, I don't think so.
Otherwise we would not be having this discussion at all.Conservatives have stated goals and ideas which are devoid of compassion, and
appealed to some of the most self-serving arguments for implementing those
goals.What is the reason for 'lowering taxes' while
cutting aid to the need, but an appeal to the baser instinct of human
behavior.The same is true in regard to those wishing to better
themselves in a country that has less violence, and more opportunities. This
shows the hypocrisy of the Conservatives, whose ancestors came to this land for
exactly the same reasons.The Conservatives how ever claim that there
is a zero sum game, where there necessarily need be losers, and they prey upon
fears of loss.The US is has sufficient resources, such that at this
point, there is no 'zero sum' loss, with additional immigrants.
@LDS 2Did you miss that part of the speech about tariffs Mexico is
paying NOW, that they were not before. You must have missed that part of the
speech I am guessing. So looky there, money is coming from Mexico
NOW, to pay for things. Like a wall, and other things.
@Jane"Since when does it matter if Trump tells the truth? He
retells many lies at his rallies, knowing they are lies. A president who tells
over 8000 lies in two years of office, doesn't care about the
truth."Just like the former president huh? It just must be
something that comes with the white house I guess. Crazy how people complain
about what someone argued about before, but it only has meaning to them if it
fits their agenda. It can't be denied, that the former told his fair share
@1aggieYes, correct nice try. Why would you buy a mixed can of nuts
and just pick out the pecans. Why not just buy a bag of pecans. If you are
going to pick and choose what you want to hear from the speech rather than the
whole thing. Sounds like to me you need a new bag of nuts. Those are sold on
the isle to the left. There you can select only what you want, and complain
about the rest even though you are not getting it.
@Hutterite"Proper gun control and single payer health care work,
and save lives." It is a proven fact that proper gun control
does not save lives. Some of the strictest areas/cities of our country that
have what you refer to as proper gun control, also have some of the highest
rates of violence and death due to guns. Gun control has nothing to do with it.
Its the person squeezing the trigger. And in these places I reference, gun
control is obviously not working at keeping guns out of the hands of
irresponsible owners. And that is a fact, so whoops!Single payer
health care is a fair argument, maybe, it might be cheaper, but not really
clear. But it is arguable at the least, maybe. But saving lives, ehhhhh I
don't know. Because of the new treat and street, not help and prevent,
just treat and street due to new pricing and Docs choose otherwise on treatment.
So I would venture to say that it does not save lives, it puts a band-aid on it
so they are not responsible for it down the road. But they have health care
that the government is paying for, which in turn means the population is paying
for it since others choose not to work to provide for themselves for it.
Richard D. Wiles, who was chief of the El Paso Police Department and then
sheriff of the El Paso County Sheriff’s Office from 2004 to today, was
upset by the president’s remarks.“It is sad to hear
President Trump state falsehoods about El Paso, Texas in an attempt to justify
the building of a 2,000-mile wall,” he stated. “The facts are clear
... El Paso was a safe city long before any wall was built. President Trump
continues to give a false narrative about a great city that truly represents
what this great nation is all about.”That said, the only
reason to have a rally in El Paso is to appease Rush and Ann Coulter and not to
prove that this wall "works".
I think cherry picking time periods for "crime didn't get better"
or vice versa can be deceiving--I would like to see the "bigger picture"
to see if crime really did get better, worse or stayed about the same.
@ mohokatIf I removed the doors from my house my family would
probably freeze at night. It gets really cold where I live.
65TossPowerTrap - Salmon, ID---The Maginot Line was a pretty cool
concrete wall/fortification built by the French in the 1930s to prevent the
possibility of a German invasion. How did that work out?---Pointing to another Wall example, the wall separating Eastern Germany from
Western Germany, justified by the East Germans as a prevention from the hordes
of capitalist evil doers, required more than 860+ miles of barriers, walls, a
'death strip' on immediate the East German side, a 'no go'
zone for miles into East Germany, with 50,000 Grenztruppen stationed along the
border, with orders to shoot those who enter the 'death zone' and
arrest those who enter the no-go zone. There were 700 watch towers for
monitoring, along with a number of 'sensor' methods for detecting
persons attempting to cross the border area.Did I forget to mention
the minefields. So, for the 2000 mile US border, to have the
equivalent security, using the ratio between 860 miles of border to 2000 miles,
one has about 115K Grenztruppen, 1600 watchtowers, an indeterminate number of
minefields, as well as a large number of sensor technologies to detect
transits.And of course, orders to shoot to kill.
Why not spend all that money in hiring more staff to expedite immigration? One
country in South America is experiencing 1,400% inflation. People there
can't even afford to buy the necessities of life, let alone get a job.
Building walls does not build good will (quite the opposite). Don't get me
wrong, I am all for keeping out the undesirable drug dealers, criminals and sex
purveyors, but even those do it out of desperation. Surely we are still a
nation of compassion, aren't we?
Moderate - Salt Lake City, UT---"Walls work". They
don't work well when left alone. The wall in Israel? Militarized.President Trump's simpleton understanding of comprehensive border
security is"build a wall". That's it. Drop a lump of concrete
and walk away. The country is safe.That is foolish.---Walls don't work if they are unattended, and placed in such remote
settings as is the case for most of the land borders of the US.People often use the pointless analogy of their house or some facility in an
urban area. They even point to such places as Israel. In the case of
urban areas, the police or private security can be at a house with a wall in
minutes, provided of course there are additional security features such as video
monitoring, sensors, lights, infrared illumination, etc.For Israel,
there are very few places that are not within 40-60 miles of a habited area.
This is not the case throughout most of the land border areas of the US, north
or south.In the south, there are hundreds of miles of desert areas
that with no habitations, and any monitoring force, will need some form of camps
setup.Trump constant whine says nothing about this aspect of walls
The Maginot Line was a pretty cool concrete wall/fortification built by the
French in the 1930s to prevent the possibility of a German invasion. How did
that work out?
I will believe Trump's assertion that a wall will keep America safe on this
condition - if he jumps over the El Paso wall to the Mexican side and never
jumps back over to the American side.
Trump's obsessive fixation on getting his wall for a campaign promise made
to his most passionate supporters calls to mind the following quote attributed
to Sir Thomas More in A Man for all Seasons."Why Richard, it
profit a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world. . . but for
@ Brave Sir Robin - San Diego, CA "Over 80% of the drugs entering the U.S.
from South of the border come through legal ports of entry. "Yes, and why not spend a minute to reflect on why this is true... it is
because of walls that have been put up that force people to try and bring their
drugs through the door. Most of the 80% of drugs found entering the US would
not have been found if walls did not exist.Why is it so hard for
Trump haters to admit walls work?
Democrats congress women and men are protected by Walls and fences and Armed
security yet they are against walls and fences and Armed security for our
southern boarder to protect America from illegal invasion.
@Mad HatterTrump has said a fence is OK. He says the BP agents prefer the
pylon fence because they can see who is on the other side and how many. The wall
leaves them blind to the threat.He tends to look logically at
proposals from the boots on the ground.About El Paso...Did you know
that illegals see an advantage to getting 100 miles into the interior as fast as
they can.Why? The BP has jurisdictional authority for 100 miles from
the border. They can search vehicles without a warrant. At 100 miles, it becomes
harder to enforce the law.Someone posted that El Paso is safer than
Austin or Dallas. He's right.Why is it so hard for people to
understand that barriers at the border decrease illegal immigration activity?
Republicans didn't think El Paso was all that safe a few months ago when
their House member was running for a Senate seat.
If walls really do work then once the wall is built we can terminate about 75%
of the border patrol employees.You probably need to keep a few
border patrol agents at the ports of entry. But the majority of border patrol
agents should be terminated once the wall is built because "walls work"
I've been told.
The mayor of El Paso doesn't want the wall. None of the border towns want a
"Every home has walls and doors for entry."This is such a tired
and poor example. The President's plan is to build a wall on one side of
the house only. There is no plan for a Canadian wall. What good are the locks
on your front door if you leave the back door wide open?"Walls
work". They don't work well when left alone. The wall in Israel?
Militarized.President Trump's simpleton understanding of
comprehensive border security is"build a wall". That's it.
Drop a lump of concrete and walk away. The country is safe.That is
Of all issues on which to stake a Presidential legacy, who would ever pick one
Mad Hatter:Your argument is specious and misleading. The potential
of a tunnel dug under a wall, does not make a wall worthless. The front door of
a house could be bulldozed down. But that does not mean that a door -- with a
lock -- is not a highly effective deterrent nonetheless.And nice job
gaslighting with the "illegal immigration at an all-time low"
questionable claim, whereby you basically are suggesting that the illegal
immigration problem is "all in your head." And 85-90% of
drugs are NOT brought in through ports of entry -- even if El Chapo did. So nice
try there as well.And it is not just about drugs besides: it only is
common sense that a physical barrier would deter most illegal immigration.
Yuma and San Diego are great examples too. Yes, walls work. Even the EU went
along with building one between Syria and Turkey last year. Why? They work.
Barriers do work. Every home has walls and doors for entry.
Over 80% of the drugs entering the U.S. from South of the border come through
legal ports of entry. Taking the wall money and putting it toward improved
inspection at seaports and airports would be far more effective than a silly
"Here's why he's heading to El Paso to prove it".No.He is heading to El Paso for a photo-op and publicity. He will
do most anything to be able to preen for the cameras and..not incidentally..to
take the public's eye off of what the Mueller investigation is coming up
Why has Trump supported illegal immigrant for years with employment at his
hotels and golf courses? He didn't start using E verify until recently.
It's people like Trump that have contributed to the influx of illegal
"The President will never get the American taxpayer to pay for this symbol
of intolerance"That is exactly the point, it is a political
fight that Trump has picked using lies, misinformation, distortion, and hate.The wall has always been a "symbol" of murders, rapists, and
thugs, "flooding" into our country. When the facts are clear. Illegal
immigration is down and virtually at a net zero in recent years, and illegals
commit crimes at a rate vastly lower than natives. That still
leaves us with an illegal immigration issue, just not a crisis of criminals.
We've struggled to get comprehensive immigration reform for a
variety of reasons but we've been able to get border security funding in
the past including some fencing where appropriate because the issue was framed
properly and realistically. So yes this is a political fight now.
A fight Trump stokes with lies and hatred, and a fight the Democrats use to
highlight Trumps lies, and hate and general unfitness for office. Right now polls show Dems winning the fight handily.
Does the exterior doors of your home with proper locks deter illegal entry? I.e.
Wall! Are your doors impenetrable? If those doors are not a deterrent then take
em off. Any takers?
I agree that El Paso is one of the safest cities. Its crime rate is
significantly lower than Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and Austin. It is also
safer than the Rio Grande Valley cities. I used to live there but my job
transferred me to crime-ridden Albuquerque. Would live there again. I
wouldn't be surprised if the crime rate is lower than SLC. As a witness,
yes, the barrier in El Paso is effective.
"Accepting your pay in cash without the required reporting and deductions
constitutes tax evasion."And the person making the payment....?
The US citizen willfully paying someone under the table? Do you know how many
trades people do this exact thing. Every week, in every locality. Independent
contractors all the time want to be paid in cash/check, and then cash the checks
at the check writers banks so that can't be linked back to their own
checking accounts. So please.... start enforcing the law in general - without
playing the race card with it. Ultimately this is a crime by the employees, not
the employee. They are the one breaking the law.And no, the
penalty for "Accruing Unlawful Presence" - that is the real term for
over staying your Visa - is not two years in jail. (where did you get that
from?) It depends on how long you over stayed. If you stayed more than 180
then left on your own - it is a 3 year ban on entering the US. If you stayed
more than 365 days - but left on your own - it is a 10 year ban. If you get
caught and are deported, then it is a life time ban.There is just so
much bad information flowing around out there.
Thid.... problem is.... Nancy Pelosi doesn't have a Wall around her house.
There is the house, then sidewalk. Thats it. No wall. No little picket
fence with flowers growing around it... none of that.Also, the
Vatican... no walls. I take it you've never been there. But no walls.As to prisons, yes, walls. They are fold holding convicted criminals
in to serve their time. Are you saying people living south of the US border
are convicted criminals serving time for being.... what? Seriously.The 9/11 terrorist entered the US from Canada. Should we build a wall along
the Canadian border too? Yes, walls will work or at least slow
down the movement of people or product. Absolutely true. That is why we
already have nearly 700 miles of barrier in high traffic areas. And yes, we
regularly find tunnels under those sections. Could we use some more walled
areas. Sure. The entire length - thats absurd. We need to be
addressing the bigger problems. US employers who hire illegals (Trumps own
properties being an example), we need real immigration reform so we let in
those who truly need asylum, or can help built a better America. The wall is
only a piece.
President Trump says 'walls work.' President also said
"Mexico will pay for the wall"Trump says "he didn't
know about Stormy Daniels payment"Trump says "Cohen payments
to women weren't illegal because they 'came from me'Trump obviously says a lot of things, many untrue, how do you decide when he
really means it, and when he's just kidding?
@thidWhy didn’t trump demand the wall the first few weeks of
his presidency?Why does he or anyone think he is going to get what
he wants with less republicans than what he started with?This is all
about politics and both trump and dems are playing.
I appreciate this article.I am inclined to having a wall built. It
would address sexual slavery and trafficking (what liberal would oppose such a
measure). If someone comes forward and repeats what Trump has said
as proof, I can rebut their evidence. Because the worst argument for a cause is
a bad argument for it.In addition, the various caravans who come
from Honduras appear to be poorly informed about what will happen and the wall
would be a symbol to them that, yes, illegal immigration is illegal and they
will not be welcomed with open arms.
The President will never get the American taxpayer to pay for this symbol of
intolerance. For those who would tell Ms. Pelosi and the Dems to play ball and
let him have a bit of a win I would say this—when a bully is demanding
your sons lunch money, would you tell him to toss the bully a few quarters as a
compromise so that the bully feels like he won something? No. And it would seem
that Nancy knows full well how to deal with a bully, my friends. And deal she
shall. Deal she shall.
In 2002 Republicans fought hard to allow illegal aliens to come to America
unfettered. Republicans voted down immigration proposals by their President
George W bush and by the Democrats. Republicans explained simply that illegal
aliens are good genuine hard-working capitalist who only wanted to get a
foothold in America and support conservative values.It was the
Democrats who warned Americans of the burden on our school system and our law
enforcement. Democrats explained how illegal aliens are degrading our workforce,
our wages and our benefits.Both sides do understand the problem with
illegal immigration. It is sad that Donald Trump wants to use the
wall as his landmark in history. Nothing more than ego.
On Wednesday, El Paso, Texas, mayor Dee Margo joined Hardball With Chris
Matthews to refute President Trump’s claim during the State of the Union
address on Tuesday that El Paso was one of the most dangerous cities in the
country until a barrier was built on its southern border.According
to Margo, along with FBI statistics, El Paso has been one of the safest large
cities in America for years.“We are considered the safest city
with a population greater than 500,000,” Margo said. “I talked to
our police chief, through his staff, today, and found out in 2008, we were like
second. In 2009, after the fence was built, we were still second. But
we’ve progressed to be the number one safest city in the nation.”Margo was quick to send out a tweet claiming Trump’s narrative on
El Paso was false, as did Texas congresswoman Veronica Escobar, who went so far
as to call Trump a "liar".Margo went on to say in the
interview that the fence along El Paso’s southern border is only part of
the process for security. He claimed that building a fence from El Paso to
Brownsville, Texas, isn’t realistic, citing the terrain and the fact that
much of the land is privately owned.
The wall, the wall, the wall.Trump’s governing agenda
doesn’t really add up to an albeit miserable presidency anymore.
It’s more like a big zoning dispute. His imaginary wall is like the tower
on Fifth Avenue, or the Taj Mahal in Atlantic City, or the resort at
Mar-a-Lago.He must have the permits, cut the ribbon with an oversize
pair of scissors, run his hands over the giant sign with his name on it.
It’s what the man knows how to do.I don’t discount
Trump’s concern about border security. Every modern president has worried
about the influx of untracked people and drugs across the southern border, and
the inequity of an immigration system that seems to punish those who follow the
rules. (Although Trump is alone, despite his statements to the contrary, in
trying to roll back legal immigration, too; except of course with Melania and
her family)But as I watched him stake his presidency, yet again, on
the Great Wall of Texas, I couldn’t help thinking of how sadly wasted his
talents have been if in fact there is any notable talent......
If walls don't work can we expect Nancy and Chuck to tear down the walls
around their homes? Should we tear down the walls around Ft. Knox or the WH? How
about walls around prisons and the Vatican?
White House press secretary Sarah Sanders told reporters to "Ask El Paso if
walls work. "So in tonight's "Spotlight on America," we takes
an in-depth look at how the fence affects the city's safety. In El Paso,
the hustle and bustle of a bi-national community starts early. Thousands cross
the border daily at several ports of entry. There is an orderly flow here.
Brandon Henderson says ranch hands on his family’s farm cross daily and
return to Mexico at night. “I have a lot of respect for the guys
who do it the right way. They work really hard,” said Henderson. People
from Juarez, Mexico, come to work, to go to school and to shop in a city where
people genuinely feel safe, thanks to law enforcement. “They work so hard
to protect us. We are so fortunate and blessed to live here,” said Debbie
Hester. “From 1 to 10, they get a 10,” said Alberton Ramirez Jr.,
of West El Paso. The numbers will show you El Paso has always been safe.
"Well, because of police, and people are more conscious and behave
better,” said Rogelio Gonzalez.
Yuge Opportunity Here - Mapleton, UTFeb. 6, 2019 8:37 p.m."Prior to the fence . . . "Are we back talking about a
fence? What happened to the wall? Or is Donald Trump now talking about anything
that is a demarcation line between Mexico and the United States as a
"wall". We still don't know what he's talking about with
reference to construction, materials, specifications, and distance to be
covered. There is only this constant demand that "walls work". Tell that to JoaquÍn "El Chapo" GuzmÁn. His people were very
skilled at building tunnels. Walls didn't work for him. They just went
under whatever barrier there was. They constructed tunnels that function like
underground highways with lighting, ventilation, and an underground rail system
to moves drugs and people easily into the United States. But their primary path
was through the ports of entry, moving approximately 85-90% of their drugs by
that by vehicle No wall will stop that.Also, undocumented entry into
the U.S. has been dropping since the mid-90s will and is at all-time lows, a
fraction of what was entering the country when Bill Clinton was president. This
wall is a vanity project we should call Trump's Folly.
As some reichtists, including Trump, have pointed out, dems have supported walls
in the past. Sure, they "work".But that wasn't
Donny's promise! He promised that Mexico would foot the bill!Dems are correct to push back against Trump's lying, deception, and
manipulation!Sure, Trump won the election. But winning isn't
everything. HOW you win matters! The ends do not justify the means! Trump is an
unethical person, and his unethical methods must be opposed!
1aggieIf you go to the border, read the sign. "All persons and
vehicles must enter the United States at a designated port of entry only. This
is not a designated port of entry. Any person or vehicle entering at this point
is in violation of title 19 usc 1459 and or 19 usc 1433 and is subject to a
$5,000 penalty. US Customs Enforcement"So, right now, today
are the penalties for unlawful entry into the United States?Up to six
months in jail plus a fine, followed by deportation. That’s the law.Visa overstayers are subject to two years in jail.Using
someone else’s ID to obtain a job is another violation. I-9 document fraud
carries a penalty up to $3,200 per document.Using fake ID to obtain
a car loan, a cell phone, a home
makes you subject to ID theft laws.Falsifying or fraudulent use of a Green Card is a federal offense, as is
a false claim of US Citizenship.Using that fake ID when stopped by
police constitutes obstruction of justice.Accepting your pay in cash
without the required reporting and deductions constitutes tax evasion.Failure to file a tax return, or to file one under a false name are serious
federal offenses.wall=less crime
If a wall doesn't make sense, then why does a fence? We have a fence that
we have spent billions on. Should we not have a fence either? I don't
understand the logic of the anti-Trump crowd. $5.7 Billion is what the border
patrol has recommended for this. This shouldn't be an issue. Everybody
wants a border where EVERYONE has to go through a checkpoint, right? Right?!
If walls don't work, why do so many places have them? Why is there a fence
around the White House? Why do people live in gated communities? Trump is
right on this and he is the first President to address the issue in any
meaningful way. Stop the flow of illegal crossings...completely.
Since when does it matter if Trump tells the truth? He retells many lies at his
rallies, knowing they are lies. A president who tells over 8000 lies in two
years of office, doesn't care about the truth.
The Berlin Wall also did a very good job of keeping people from crossing it.
That doesn't mean it made East Germany into a nice place.
The reality is if there was not a wall at Tijuana and border patrol agents
people would be pouring across our border by the thousands. Trump speaks some
truth but exaggerates a wall being the be all end all answer to our border
challenges. We need a lot of things at the border. Walls or barriers in some
stragetic places do make sense. The sad part is we are spending billions of
dollars on border security for the simple reason that people will not respect
our laws, country, or border. As long as people feel it is their God given right
to come to our country illegally or petal their illegal drugs in our country, or
traffic innocent human beings, we will hae to spend billions on border security.
Re:YugeNice try. But Trump reports/specifies the illegals coming
over the border are murderers, drug dealers, gang members, terrorists, etc,So when he refers to high crime rates that is what he is referring
to—not the crime of illegal entry. Trump lied, or whoever
provided him this talking point lied. The facts do not back up what he said.
"Simply put," he said, "walls work, and walls save lives."Proper gun control and single payer health care work, and save lives.
This isn't a discussion about safety, Don. Stop pretending.
I would direct this In Depth reporter to Border Patrol data from the El Paso
sector. Prior to the fence it was common to apprehend over 100,000 illegal
aliens per year in that sector. After the fence was installed, the annual totals
dropped to between 9,500 and 25,000 per year.Of course, I'm
presupposing that you believe unlawful presence is a crime. Also, the safety of
our borer patrol agents may not be important to everyone.These data,
and much more, can be found at the cbp website.