He already did let us down... When he said how he would touch
womenWhen he paid porn stars for sexWhen he cheated on
each of his wivesWhen he walked in repeatedly into the dressing
rooms of young women at his pageantsWhen he made laws separating
children and parents at the borderWhen he said there were good
people amongst the neo Nazi's...and many other times
He is a mess....
@ RRBIn response to silo's challenge to cite an example
"where Trump's action favored people of faith more than Obama's,
" you replied:"Calling on Congress to ban late term
abortion."Thank you for admitting that the anti-abortion
movement is an attempt to impose religion.
Trump LOVES Trump. Making America Great Again is his personal goal for his
personal glory. He needs recognition and praise. He is the Godfather of The
Trump Family. Hopefully he will be stopped before there is nothing left to save.
No President Trump is far from perfect. I don’t know if he is truly
Christian. Maybe he is pandering to his base . He does have a big mouth ,but it
has to be acknowledged that he is sticking to his promises to protect the
constitution and protect America. He has done nothing to deserve to be called a
racist only those who make it up. I can not remember a president that has
endured more to bring success to this country in my life time . Many do not like
his honesty on topics.everybody says they want people to tells us “what u
truly believe but they don’t they just want u to say what you
There is no way to be any type of honest Christian and continue to support
Trump. It is not possible to follow the teaching for Christ and allow this man
to be your leader. Complete dichotomy. This is exactly the same
adoration that Hitler received from adoring masses including supposed religious
people.Hilter made Jewish people the enemy, and now Trump makes
immigrants, Muslims, and others from countries he has called horrible names the
enemy. Nothing is different. Repeat of history. His attacks on the honest free
press remind us all of any dictator's claims. To those who say
we should not judge. That is not a Christian value. We judge the worth of
people, neighbors, workers, and those we associate with every day. That is not
against any type of "Christian" behaviors.Religious freedom
is a wolf in sheep's clothing that is used to discriminate against mostly
the LBGTQ community. That is not what Jesus taught. Name one religious
freedom that anyone has lost? BTW, this country is not a
"Christian Country" as one poster said. Never has been and never should
be. They want our secular society to be ruled by their type of Christianity,
and no one elses.
I seem to remember that Obama done away with the Prayer Breakfast. Not every
president has sponsored one.
So many in this “Comment” section excoriate Trump
“off-handedly” while at the same time no doubt from a religious
belief of their own. No one is perfect and besides, Trump is not a religious
leader - he is the President and upon that basis should be scrutinized. I
wonder how many of those who criticize Trump would earlier have elected a TV
evangelist before their downfall. I for one am tired of these (religious)
Taking this opportunity to express deep concerns.I have lived surrounded by
communist government & accidentally there with spouse and myself being
locked in prison for months had we been discovered.Socialism is 1/2 step from
communism.I have seen soldiers with their finger on the trigger ready to shoot
me if they decided.I have been subjected to search of my personal property &
lived through the history of failing economy's of socialist countries.Our
basic innate desire is for freedom.Freedom to choose right or wrong with built
in consequences.I would choose for everyone to give help,be kind,loving,
respective of others and in an ideal society,healthcare for all.Our present
world is not an ideal society but one of great greed,dishonesty,apathy,and
power mongering.I will not willingly submit to being forced to comply to
others' standards of what is 'right'.I would want all people to
be what I consider kind,right,and true. I will not force them.We must insure
others physical safety and basic housing needs and sustenance but to legalize
not hurting someone's feelings(whether it's a wedding cake or etc)is
force,just as wrong as them not doing it.Our country's foundation is
Simply put Trump is pandering to his base. A man of faith? Please
Misty Mountain - Kent, WA---Trump reads a few lines (from a speech
that someone else prepared) that extol "religious freedom" and the
Evangelists are convinced that he is a man of faith. It seems harsh to label
them as gullible, but good grief! Have you forgotten how, in the primaries, he
made fun of Ben Carson's Seventh-Day Adventist beliefs?---There have been many who have been on the receiving end of Trump's barbed
tongue, yet in the end, have joined him in either voting for his legislative
agenda, or in the case of Carson, joining his Administration.It's almost like passing the first level of "The Apprentice" TV
show hosted by Trump. Take an insult, get a job interview.One would
think, given the recorded words of Christ, that Christians would be on the
forefront of supplying the needy by any means, or defending those who are the
target of hatred.But apparently Trump appeals to the baser
instincts, and he has many followers among the Evangelicals.
Despite what you say at Deseret News, President Trump Is NOT a controversial
figure! He believes in God, stands up for the constitution of the UNITED STATES.
And by his administration is making policies that is getting America back to
where it should be! He is a great man!
Trump reads a few lines (from a speech that someone else prepared) that extol
"religious freedom" and the Evangelists are convinced that he is a man
of faith. It seems harsh to label them as gullible, but good grief! Have you
forgotten how, in the primaries, he made fun of Ben Carson's Seventh-Day
@weightless skittlesyour "quotes" are taken so wildly out of
context I have to wonder if you actually bothered reading the official
transcript yourself or if you are itentioally trying to be deceitful.
I am so happy that President Trump has the courage and strength to stand up for
those who believe in God and his commandments. The thought of a newborn being
put to death at the hands of those who have taken an oath to serve others is
I suspect none of the commenters here - myself included - have much of a clue
who Donald Trump really is as a person, we only know him as the caricature
portrayed by his enemies. I can't recall a time CNN or ABC or CBS or NBC or
MSNBC or the New York Times have had anything positive to say about him, which
is especially telling giving the inordinate coverage they give him. I'm
pretty sure if they did that to any of us, it would make us look like the devil
incarnate. Yet there are positive things about him. He donates his salary to
charity. He doesn't drink alcohol. He doesn't live in his
mother's basement. He brought Kim Jong Un to the table to negotiate. See,
it isn't that difficult.One thing about him that is unusual is
that he doesn't use speech to communicate information so much as to produce
a psychological effect in the listener. Of course that plays into the hands of
those who would make a person "an offender for a word", but then it
doesn't take much to do that. So to say that he is always lying completely
misses the point of what he is really doing and does nothing to produce a
greater understanding of the person. But I guess that may be the objective.
President Trump is light years ahead of what Obama ever did with religious
groups. At the very least he calls this country what it has always been, a
Christian country, Obama seemed to want to call it something different, why are
we always trying to mix politics with religion anyway, with today's society
it is always offensive to do that. But here we see it always comes back to haunt
@One old man writes,"Comments like that completely mystify me. I
was here. I was paying attention. When and where did any of this ever happen?Where do fantasies like that come from? Russia? Mar-A-Lago?
Where?"They come from Fox News. They are repeated
on Fox News. And the viewers believe them.
I am glad trump is supportive of religion.
siloCalling on Congress to ban late term abortion.
The President has said he is special and could do many many bad things with
impunity. He has also said he no reason to seek repentance. He isn't a
religious man, but he will use religious people as long as they meet his
needs.He also uses non-religious people to meet his needs (e.g.
Stormy Daniels, Cohen, ect) ; those relationships end when they become
inconvenient. Ironically some religious people don't care about any
morality they give up for what they get back in the transaction. His
relationship with the religious will also end if it becomes inconvenient or
truth becomes relevant again.
@sanefan"Trumps actions have been far more favorable for people of
faith than were Obama's"Cite any example where Trump's
action favored people of faith more than Obama's. Just one.Not an opinion, not a reposted claim from a facebook post.Cite
something with factual data backing it up.
@weightless skittlesWhen you place quotation marks around text,
you're claiming that as a quote. Obama did not say what you claim in his
2015 Prayer Breakfast statement. Bearing false witness is a sin.The
actual text of his speech is available in less time than it took you to respond
to me.In addition, Obama's message in 2015 had nothing to do
with "tearing something down" as you initially claimed.Here's one particularly poignant statement from that Breakfast that
refutes all your claims about Obama undermining Christianity:"Our job is not to ask that God respond to our notion of truth -- our job
is to be true to Him, His word, and His commandments. " - Barack Obama 2015
Prayer BreakfastHere's another:"If we are
properly humble, if we drop to our knees on occasion, we will acknowledge that
we never fully know God’s purpose. We can never fully fathom His amazing
grace. “We see through a glass, darkly” -- grappling with the
expanse of His awesome love. But even with our limits, we can heed that which
is required: To do justice, and love kindness, and walk humbly with our
God." - Barack Obama 2015 Prayer Breakfast
Say what you will about our current President, he was the best available
candidate in 2016 despite his flaws. I believe he works hard and wants to do
what is best for the country. His handling of the economy has been stellar, the
SOU address was spot on as he called out late term abortion, socialism and many
other topics better than any President since Reagan. Sometimes you have to give
a person their due when deserved.
Trumps speech?If he had anything to do with the speech other than
simply reading something focus group tested or simply reflecting talking points
it would be a first.For 8 years 24/7/365 President Obama was juidged
by right-wingers.No problem.For little more than 2
years, trump has been judged 24/7/365.Big problem?
I like what President Trump is doing. Could care less about his spiritual
faith. Don't recall any articles like this when obama was president.
To silo. February 2015: Obama’s statements. “Speaking as a
Christian- we need to get off our high horse.”- many have done despicable
things, crusades, slavery etc in the name of Christianity- and he went on...
Silo, you and others on this comment board either did not read Obama’s
speeches or you have selective memories. You proved my point. We either build
each up or spend our lives grinding everyone down including ourselves.
I support President Trump and recognize that he is not perfect. But he is doing
his best to help our country and protect our religious rights. So many
Let me explain it too you Lou. Obama "appeared" to be a pretty morally
sound guy, at least to the Democrats. But he could care less about people of
faith, christians and religious rights. Hillary was cut from the same cloth,
except she lacked any sense of morals. Trump obviously has some deep character
flaws, but he seems to care about religious rights and people of faith.
I'd much rather have the later, than the former as our President. I
don't know either man or their heart, neither do you; but as President,
Trumps actions have been far more favorable for people of faith than were
Obama's and probably Hillary's.
I am a deeply religious person and I love Trump and think he is doing an
excellent job as President! I’m sure he has done things in his life that
I wouldn’t agree with, but I’m not going to judge his morality and
neither should all of these anti Tumpers that are making the comments here.
Every politician has moral flaws. Look at FDR, Kennedy, Clinton etc...
All you have to do is look at what’s happening in New York, Virginia,
and other progressive states, and when Pres. Trump stands against infanticide we
religious people applaud. I want to know how any religious
person can support late term abortion? Food for thought.
How could a person of faith ever support Donald J Trump?
One old man - I stated NOTHING about approving his behavior - YOUR words, not
mine. You like to pick and choose scripture, so here is a catch all, for those
of you that sit in the golden chairs, and/or believe you have that right.
"Let he among you that is without sin, cast the first stone", or words
to that effect.
Never say "Never".We're talking about Donald Trump,
right? Donald Trump who lies incessantly and has over 8500 documented lies since
taking office according to the WaPo? The one who lied about knowing his 2016
campaign manager? The guy who lied about his personal attorney and fixer,
Michael Cohen? The man who will distance himself from and throw under the
proverbial bus anyone for whom he no longer has any use?That Donald
Trump? The one who cheated on three wives? Got a doctor to sign off on a bogus
bone spur to avoid the military draft, yet continued to play tennis and
"fight his Vietnam" in the New York dating scene? The Donald Trump who
said that Barack Obama was not born in the United States and accused John McCain
as not being a hero after serving five years in a North Vietnamese prison? The
fellow who lied throughout his 2016 campaign to the American people? That Donald
Trump?The man doesn't even cross his fingers behind his back
when he looks someone in the eyes and lies. It's the consummate con. The
invidious fraud. "You lose, he wins" attitude he's cultivated for
over 40 years. No wonder the evangelicals love him. He tells them what they want
@weightless skittles"Read the trans scripts from Obama’s
statements when he did attend the Prayer Breakfast. "I read
every single statement from the Obama Prayer Breakfasts.Not once did
I encounter anything other than well-spoken, uplifting, faith-filled comments
recognizing all faiths.Feel free to cite any section you found
'ignored crimes against religious groups'. We'll wait.What re-reading those transcripts absolutely showed is that Obama's
speaking skills, sentiment, and empathy are all an order of magnitude more
developed than those of our current President.
@weightless skittlesI have read his speech and I would like to know
exactly what about his speech was inaccruate or offensive?
Well he’s definitely a sinnerBut aren’t we all..,
The problem is there are few ethical moral leaders who are elected at the
federal level of government. If Hillary won the same comments would be said.
Most likely the next presidential race will have better choices for
indepentendant candidates because both republicans & democrats keep
promoting morally bankrupt candidates. Trump won because his last name
wasn't Clinton or Bush.
"A bigger reason is that Evangelicals actually believe in the Christian
Gospel of Repentance and therefore allow Trump that possibility instead of
condemning him and allowing that condemnation to cloud their thinking. "So are you telling us that sincere repentance consists of threatening
victims, insulting victims, launching lawsuits against them, and bragging about
what you have done?That's not what I've been taught in
church . . . .
"Several of these comments are rude, juvenile, and go against nearly every
teaching I have ever heard or seen."Try reading some of
trump's tweets.Scripture also tells us not to judge unjustly,
but advises that we judge righteously when necessary.If we are to
approve of his behavior, we have fallen into dangerous territory.
Last time I checked, only 1 perfect person ever lived on this earth. So the
rest of you that think you are much better spiritually, better read up in the
good book. Maybe even find a bit of time and get on your knees and seek
supplication from your Heavenly Father, or whatever some of you pray to.
Several of these comments are rude, juvenile, and go against nearly every
teaching I have ever heard or seen.
weightless skittles - Hewitt, Texas---Sadly, most of you that
comment by putting down Trump never said a word as Obama criticized Christians
and ignored crimes against Religious groups here and around the world. If we
want to make someone better, try building them up instead of tearing them
down.---Yes, making things better such as implementing
marriage that does not depend on the sex of the couple. Strongly supporting the
integration of the LGBT community into all levels and areas of society.
That's a better thing.Yet, the Evangelicals and Trump in
particular have done nothing but 'tearing' them down, often under the
guise of 'religious liberty'.
unrepentant, I would give to a hundred thumbs up if possible. I signed in just
so I could upvote your post. How any religious person (and I am a
religious person) that could not see Donald Trump for being the exact
antithesis of a man of Christ, after knowing what he actually stands for, and
his personal life history is frightening. I personally would feel shame
People of faith are not representing any faith well when they;-Commit to paying people for work and then refuse to pay as a negotiating
business tactic.-Mislead people for the sake of making a profit (Trump
University).-Brag (even if jokingly) about sexually assaulting someone
else's wife.-Mock a person's culture or heritage.-Lie
knowingly to people for the sake of getting a political deal (i.e. his lie to
the Canadian PM)-Publicly use foul and offensive language just because
they are upset.Trump's actions are immoral, unethical, and
offensive. God can judge why he is doing what he is doing. But I will not back
down and call his actions normal or appropriate.As one good preacher
said, when faced with choosing between two evils, choose neither.Jeb
Bush is a person of faith. So is Mitt Romney. And Marco Rubio. Their actions
match their words. So who out there is willing to stand up and say Trump is a
better presidential candidate of faith for the RNC than all of these
individuals? At best Trump is better than Hillary. No reason to vote
for him again.Hindsight is 2020.
What mystifies me is that the far right think they still hold any credibility
when it comes to morality.
"your unrighteous judgment of Trump"And there it is in a
nutshell. Many fundamentalist and evangelical Christians have decided, as an
article of faith, as important as the virgin birth and the holy trinity, that
the President is some sort of religious savior. This is the path to theocratic
dictatorship. Trump is a flawed person who caught a break being
born filthy rich. He bullied and cajoled his way to the Presidency. And yet,
so many so-called religious people still see him as called by God. This is yet
another path taken by countless other authoritarians.The religious
fundamentalists and evangelicals have to understand that the country has
changed, and no amount of Trump'ism is going to turn back the clock.
Secularists, and those with differing religious traditions don't hate you,
but fear your hatred of change. If that is how you chose to be
seen, continue the idolatry of the President.
To old man Read the trans scripts from Obama’s statements when he
did attend the Prayer Breakfast. Where have you been ? Your comnents are beyond
Donald Trump has done more to support Christian values and religious rights such
as pro life than Harry Reid, Jeff Flake, and Mitt Romney put together over
decades. This is odd considering Trumps past, when compared to the backgrounds
and the very loudly proclaimed values of these three Senators who share the same
belief system. Just goes to show that you can't always judge a president
by the cover or a Senator either.
@pugman"The progressives and libs can't function unleess(sic)
there(sic) tearing something down"You spent a paragraph tearing
down 'progressives', 'libs', two separate commenters and
'any news agency'.Does that make you a 'lib' or
'progressive' by your own definition?
weightless skittles - Hewitt, TexasFeb. 7, 2019 2:03 p.m."Sadly, most of you that comment by putting down Trump never said a word
as Obama criticized Christians . . . "There is Christian and
there is "christian". There are many who follow the teachings and
always try to do good in the world; there are others who cloak themselves in a
veneer of Christianity and do terrible things. The religion has been practiced
in many ways contrary to the basic teachings of Christ, some going to extremes
to justify their political agenda.The example of the Christian
religion run amok is the Spanish inquisition and Crusades where so-called
"Christian ideals" were used to torture and kill non-Christian people.
We saw it again in the Catholic-Protestant fighting that pitted Christian
against Christian. The founding of Utah is part of this religious bigotry of one
Christian sect against another. And then there is the ultimate transgression
with Christianity used to justify slavery.Christianity has a long
history of abuse in its name. When evangelical Christians politicize their
beliefs to support Donald Trump, we are just seeing another time when ideals are
set aside for personal gain.
@one oldmanRead your post..If you want to change something try
building it up instead of tearing it down. Now go back and read these
posts.....yeah, you're all great help. The progressives and libs can't
function unleess there tearing something down. Just turn on any news agency. Oh
and brave sir robin....now your an expert in all things BYU, Utah Jazz, and now
all things political. Your right on par with dieity
Too late.He already has let us down . . .
Not until it's no longer in Donald Trump's interests.Isn't this the way Trump deals? Ask the people he's thrown under the
bus when they no longer serve his purpose. No one and no issue is greater than
Trump's own interests. As long as these people can be of use to him, he
will promise anything and he will do as he wants. In other words, Trump is a
congenital liar and cannot be trusted. However, at this moment in time, their
interests are his interests since he needs them more than ever to stave off an
onslaught of investigations and the exposure that would doom his re-election
and, possibly, his brand.Also, by promising everything these
religious leaders want, Trump hopes they will overlook his behavior and stand by
him. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is the name of the game. Don't mind that
Trump violates every value they hold, if he can get them the other things they
want, then go for it. Perhaps these people recognize the bargain they are making
and have reconciled it in their heads that a man taking children away from their
parents and putting them in cages is the price they're willing to accept to
achieve their goals.
"Part of the reason I think evangelicals are so attracted to the president
is he stood up for the importance of religious values in the public
square."A bigger reason is that Evangelicals actually believe in
the Christian Gospel of Repentance and therefore allow Trump that possibility
instead of condemning him and allowing that condemnation to cloud their
thinking. Utahns could learn a lot from Evangelicals.
Yeah? There are over 2500 lawsuits by contractors, suppliers and workers that he
"let down" by not paying them. He let down his wives. Name someone in
business that has done business with Trump, not in his family, that has ever
done business with Trump again.
@weightless skittlestrump puts himself down by his words and
actions. He has an entire lifetime of poor moral and ethical behavior as proof.
He has only himself to blame. Believing he's a good Christian or a man of
faith is a mistake in judgment. He is not a good person. Never was and never
weightless skittles - Hewitt, TexasFeb. 7, 2019 2:03 p.m.Sadly, most
of you that comment by putting down Trump never said a word as Obama criticized
Christians and ignored crimes against Religious groups here and around the
world. If we want to make someone better, try building them up instead of
tearing them down . Unity and strength come from reaching out and up. I did not
criticize our last President when he decried Christian mistakes. I just kept
praying he would unify this country instead and that he would talk about
what’s great in us as Americans.======Comments like that
completely mystify me. I was here. I was paying attention. When and where did
any of this ever happen?Where do fantasies like that come from? Russia? Mar-A-Lago? Where?
Sadly, most of you that comment by putting down Trump never said a word as Obama
criticized Christians and ignored crimes against Religious groups here and
around the world. If we want to make someone better, try building them up
instead of tearing them down . Unity and strength come from reaching out and
up. I did not criticize our last President when he decried Christian mistakes.
I just kept praying he would unify this country instead and that he would talk
about what’s great in us as Americans.
He can't control himself so how is he going to successfully manage the
government and not led the nation and the people down. Who has he not led
Maverick10:You do bear a false witness and do deny the power of God
in your unrighteous judgment of Trump. I suggest you look in the mirror.
He will never give you up. He will never let you down. He will never run around
and hurt you.He will never make you cry. He will never say goodbye.
He will never tell a lie and desert you.The presidency makes it feel
like this whole country has been rickrolled.
He is a moral train wreck. He knows nothing about what is true or Moral. He
has lie so often that he has no idea what the truth is. How can he possible
declare that he will never let Faith based groups down. He has no idea what
Trump can't say the same to any of the women that have been is his life.
Not a moral beacon of any sort.
@THEREALND - "...He is a spiritual train wreck."That describes quite a few Latter-day Saints.
"I will never let you down."Uh-huh. Can totally see that in
He also said, “Since the founding of our nation, many of our greatest
strides, from gaining our independence to abolition of civil rights, to
extending the vote for women, have been led by people of faith and started in
prayer,”That's what they call a Freudian slip!
He will never let you down politically, but he is a spiritual train wreck.