And he was inspired by Trump, he said so himself. What does that say about our
President? About his fans? I'm afraid of the people who see in him a savior
of sorts for our country.
pragmatistferlife 9:22RE: "If you feel whites are being treated poorly
that's your right. It's your right to say so, however it's a
small jump from there to hate speech that is not ok"...---I
don't feel whites are being treated poorly. I just think there are people
who see race as a dividing-line and a reason to hate... in all races. Not just
white people.===RE: "I say this because the right
has made that jump from opinions, voicing those opinions, and then making the
leap of bigotry by denying some their civil rights based on those opinions, and
it's not fringe groups it's policy for conservative
movement"...---And I would only point out that ANTIFA
(Radical-Left fringe) is denying some people their civil rights. Free Speech
is a civil-right (even if it's words we don't like). I don't
agree with ANY of the Fringe Groups. But they have the same 1st Amendment
rights we have. So I tolerate them, until they break the law. ANTIFA thinks
violence for their cause is OK. That's just as wrong as groups of any kind
thinking violence for their cause is OK.Just pointing out the
problem's not limited to Conservatives, or even to one race like you
And not a whisper about the 120 Christians murdered by jihadis the past two
Fabulous Jen 10:20 a.m. RE: "I don't see why it is necessary for
president Trump to hate the groups of people he hates" ---And I
don't see why it's necessary for President Obama to hate the groups of
people he hates. He said (on TV) "We need to punish our "Enemies"
(Rs) and reward our friends (Ds).R's are not the
"Enemy" (unless you've bought into the hate).===@pragmatistferlife 9:22RE: "I think you could have just said
"Racist" and made the same point."No you
couldn't"... ---I think all racism is bad. Not just white
racists.Is acknowledging that borderline "Hate speech"? I
don't think so.BLM activists shooting white cops in Dallas or
NYC is the same as this sad story. That's the point. There are racists of
all skin colors. It's the racism that's bad.All racism is
bad. Whether the racist's skin is white or not.Didn't say
"I feel whites are being treated poorly". Show me if I did.I
just said all racism is wrong.
Shane333:For me at least (and possibly others) your quick reading of
that hate-filled "manifesto" to ascertain no influence from Trump's
demagoguery to what that shooter did is like walking through a grisly crime
scene, finding the refrigerator, and saying, "Thank goodness the milk
@Fabulous Jen,There are already enough histrionics, personal
accusations, and jumping to conclusions in this discussion. I feel no need to
contribute to those things or to meet your personal arbitrary requirements for
public displays of abhorrence.The following is a direct quote from
the terrorist's manifesto regarding whether he is a Trump supporter:"As a policy maker and leader? Dear god no." Again, the
terrorist expressed hope that people will politicize his mass murder. His
reason why? To, "ultimately result in a civil war that will eventually
balkanize the US along political, cultural and, most importantly, racial
lines." (Terrorist's manifesto quoted)I have no desire to
aid this terrorist in his efforts to foment division along political, cultural,
or racial lines. So I've limited my participation in this discussion to
dispelling a common incorrect assumption that I've seen repeatedly posted,
and to explaining why those who engage in personal attacks and politicize the
terrorist's actions are doing exactly what the terrorist wants.
jsf wrote at 11:52 PM:"Blame Trump you are supporting his hate.
You are his hate."I don't see why it is necessary for
president Trump to hate the groups of people he hates.
2bits.."I know it kinda makes sense to point out that in this instance it
was a "White racist". But I think you could have just said
"Racist" and made the same point."No you couldn't.
The point and fact was he is a "white" racist. Someone who believes in
the superiority of being white. If a terrorist is black and believes in the
elimination of whites, call it out, but your recent passive aggressive defense
of "whites" in contrast to known facts and realities is becoming pretty
evident. If you feel whites are being treated poorly that's
your right. It's your right to say so, however it's a small jump
from there to hate speech that is not ok. I say this because the
right has made that jump from opinions, voicing those opinions, and then making
the leap of bigotry by denying some their civil rights based on those opinions,
and it's not fringe groups it's policy for conservative movement.
Identity politics has gone on way too long. For the love of God! Stop! We are
sick of it.We can dice things any way we want. Taking revenge
against Moslems for what happened in Europe is dumb. The people doing the
killing in Europe were nut cases. Yes, they were Moslems, but they were nut
cases first and Moslems second. If this guy goes into a mosque, and shoots
people, it isn't because he's white, it is because he's a nut
case too. A nut case first and a white guy second.The greatest
revenge is to NOT become like your adversary. I hate these nut cases so bad,
what I am going to do is if I see someone who is different than me, a stranger
or whatever, I will show him a hand of fellowship. We are all travelers in this
world trying to get back home and that unites us.(There, I have
poked my finger into the eyes of all these nut cases and I hope that they are
squirming right now and grabbing their eyes.) Don't take revenge against a
person, take revenge against an idea, a custom, a paradigm.
Shane333 writes 2:50 PM:"I've read through much of the
terrorist's manifesto. He is a self declared terrorist. He is not a Trump
supporter and does not regard him a hero."It's telling you
were able to spend an hour reading that 74 page "manifesto" to absolve
Trump of any connection but the abhorrence of the content did not rate any
mention from you at all.
The manifesto also said he believed in a governmental system like china. See it
was Bernie and AOC that are this idiots heros. We must censor all their
socialist democrat hate speech that creates this lunacy. See how stupid that
sounds.Pick a side, your doing his biding. Blame Trump you are
supporting his hate. You are his hate.
I’ll be hoping to hear from the religious freedom folks soon. This is what it means to have your religion under threat. These people, as
well as the Jewish worshippers gunned down in the US last year really know it
means to be under threat. It kind of makes some of the recent fuss
over and concern about religious freedom being taken away because a female
employee wants to use birth control seem pretty silly.
@Anti Bush-Obama:Actually, New Zealand is a different country than
Australia. It was after a similar shooting that Australia
dramatically changed their gun laws, and the prime minister of New Zealand said
they will be changing theirs, as well, after this incident.
Gerry marshallRegardless of how many mass killings we’ve had, their
gun control laws did not stop this one.And BTW, their population is
about 5 million, while ours is about 350 million. Just to stay proportional, we
should have about 70X more mass killings than they do.And she IS
anti-Semitic. She is not just critical of the current leadership there, she is
critical of the existence of the nation of Israel itself. Sorry she has you so
snookered.BlueDevilHad you read all of my post, you would have
seen that I said I welcome legal immigrants, and I always have. The problem
with liberals is they cannot differentiate between legal and illegal aliens.ErnestFascist theory from you know who. nancy? chuckie? maduro?
Who?2 bitsLeaving out the “white” part when
describing the racist does not fit the MSM’s narrative.
@Unreconstructed Rob — Thank you for your service. Respectfully, serving
in combat does not qualify you to diagnose others as ‘loons’.
Shane333 - Orem, UTMarch 15, 2019 2:50 p.m.I've read through
much of the terrorist's manifesto. He is not a Trump supporter and does
not regard him a hero. Reading the manifesto, the only thing the terrorist
approves of regarding Trump is that Trump happens to be a white man. The
terrorist said that he disapproves of Trump in regards to both policy and
leadership. All of the discussion linking Trump and the terrorist is therefor a
red herring.=======Then you must have read something a lot
different than the rest of the world has seen.
We have screaming gun control. It was an armed citizen at the second mosque
that sent the terrorist running but not much is said about that is there.
I guess gun bans don't work. Even in Austrailia.
Definitely a Trump effect! "There were good people on both sides." -
I've read through much of the terrorist's manifesto. He is a self
declared terrorist.He is not a Trump supporter and does not regard
him a hero. Reading the manifesto, the only thing the terrorist approves of
regarding Trump is that Trump happens to be a white man. The terrorist said
that he disapproves of Trump in regards to both policy and leadership. All of
the discussion linking Trump and the terrorist is therefor a red herring.The terrorist also said in his manifesto that his hope is that his mass
murder will be politicized in the USA, to divide the USA and eventually lead to
a civil war in the USA. Everyone pushing politicized arguments are actually
serving the interests of the terrorist.Because of this, however the
terrorist identifies himself, I think it best to hold him and any actual
accomplices responsible for their own actions instead of casting blame on others
who aren't specifically affiliated with the terrorist.
RE: "White racist claims responsibility"...---I know it
kinda makes sense to point out that in this instance it was a "White
racist". But I think you could have just said "Racist" and made
the same point.There are white racists, black racists, asian
racists, hyspanic racist, muslim racists, all kinds of racists. They are all
bad (IMO). It's the notion that your race is at war with other races...
that's the problem, and the flase-idea we need to stop. That is the
problem. All racism.The black guy who shot 5 white police officers
from the parking garage in Dallas, was racist. The black guy who snuck up on
white cops in their car was racist.Muslims who do attacks in America
(Orlando, San Bernadino, WTC, etc)...There have been terrible
incidents involving white racists/terrorists...This is
"Terrorism". Just like any other Terrorism.Google
"Terrorism in the United States"...Attacks have been carried out
by people of all races and religions. It's not a white thing (like some
would like you to believe).And it's all bad. No matter what
the race of the attacker, or the victims. It's all wrong.We
need to learn to get along. All factions.
SuzViews, I have been in combat. I get the terror, horror, panic, rage,
adrenaline and nightmares of everything that entails. I stand by my
characterization of anyone who pulls the trigger in cold blood on unarmed men,
women, and children in a house of worship as a "loon."
Libs/dems/socialists/ leftists.Please get new talking points. Everything
is Trump’s fault is a joke. Half the country voted for him. Another excuse
to call for gun confiscation. Won’t work.
Great irony in Trump starting his day tweeting about and criticizing the FBI,
CIA, and Department of Justice. Those are the people who track white supremacist
groups and prosecute white supremacist groups.Irony can be upsetting
We should be careful not to characterize Caucasian’s who are responsible
for terrorist acts or even mass shootings as ‘loons’,
‘crazy’ or ‘mentally ill’ until we know the facts.I think these descriptions are a cop out for this particular race.
Consider the fact that the Vegas shooter (who gunned down 50 @ an outdoor
concert from his hotel window) has never been classified (except by a local
Caucasian cop) as a domestic terrorist, although there is no evidence that he
was mentally unstable. Casually classifying people who kill as mentally ill also
stereotypes people with mental challenges & perpetuates stigma and shame
that can lead to suicide.Obviously, from this well written DN
Article, the Caucasian in captivity wrote a long manifesto about his beliefs re:
Immigrants. The rhetoric of our day among leaders fuels the fire of hatred that
so many feel towards targeted groups worldwide. “Silence in
the face of evil is itself evil: ...Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to
act.”―Dietrich Bonhoeffer. I applaud leaders faiths &
nations who strongly condemn this massscre @ mosques. Religious protection needs
to be provided for all faith-based groups.
The responses saying this has nothing to do with Trump are remarkable.What part of the manifesto calling Trump "a symbol of renewed white
identity and common purpose" don't you get?What part of the
guy who shot up a synagogue while saying Trump's rhetoric on immigrants and
Soros didn't go far enough don't you get?What part of the
man who mailed IEDs to politicians and media outlets singled out for abuse by
Trump's twitter don't you get?What part of "very fine
people on both sides" in response to a deadly white supremacist march
don't you get?No, I don't hold Trump directly responsible
for what these loons are doing. But how often do you see a foreign terrorist
approvingly naming the President of the United States as part of his screed
justifying his murders? Why does that not give you pause? Doesn't it
bother you?At some point you Trump defenders need to take a step
back for some introspection and reflection on how his irresponsible rhetoric and
pandering to a Far Right base that blames ethnic and religious minorities for
our problems play a role in all of this. This is an environment which he has
seized on and which he continually stokes for support.
Rick for Truth - Provo, UT"he is not a conservative," true, but
only because he claims conservativism is just "corporatism in disguise"
and is dead. (P. 15 & 25)"he is not a Christian," Actually
he states he does not know if he is Christian. (P. 15)"he does not
support Trump." Somewhat true. He states he supports Trump as a "symbol
of renewed white identity and common purpose" but not as a "policy maker
and leader." (p. 16)He claims he is an environmental leftest, a
eco fascist. He actually never claims he is an environmental leftist. He does
claim to be an eco-fascist. However, eco-fascists "sacrifice their own
interests to the "organic whole of nature" and which would rely on
militarism, expansionism, and possibly racism to defend the land." (P. 15).
He also states he most aligns with the beliefs of Sir Oswald Mosley, who was a
British fascist and founded the British Union of Fascists (aka Blackshirts). (P.
""The shooter is a big supporter of the fascist rhetoric coming from you
know who.""In other words, it's Trump's fault and
the fault of white conservative men. What a hateful, unconscionable lie."But the shooter was a Trump supporter. He said so in his manifesto.
That is true."The 74-page dossier, which has been described by
Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison as a "work of hate", hailed
Trump as "a symbol of renewed white identity and common purpose".
The volume and pitch of the defensiveness in this comment thread speaks for
@count Rushmore"Conflating gang violence with "mass
shootings" is just a way to tell a lie."Guess what? New
Zealand has gangs too. Know why New Zealand gang members don't kill each
other?They don't have access to guns.No matter how
you spin it, nationwide gun bans do work.
RiDal - Sandy, UTMarch 15, 2019 11:12 a.m.@one old man:"But one problem is that many of our American hate groups idolize trump
and even use some of this tweets to support their agendas. "Well, the irony here is that the only one in this thread singling out an
American person or mythological group for blame is you. I call that
"spreading hatred".=====No, I'm spreading
truth. If you will seek out some of the extremist American websites, you will
find frequent praise of trump and his ideas of nationalism. You will also find
several videos of people who are parts of trump's world ( Steve Bannon,
Michael Flynn, Sean Hannity, and others) speaking to various of these
organizations.You will also learn that there are a large number of
right wing evangelical churches that espouse white supremacy.Do some
honest, careful research and you will open your eyes.What's out
there is beyond ugly.
"The headline makes perfect sense to me."Yup, it's
supposed to. That's the effect instant certainty has. In creating the
"narrative," the complicit media wants you to ignore the red flags,
including that real journalists with gravitas are warning everyone not to take
the manifesto at face value.Examples of the false narrative the left
is attempting to establish:"Americans should beware of this kind of
hate being stoked. Currently it's being stoked by the highest office in our
nation.""Looks like America’s foreign policy is having
an affect on the rest of the world.""So the shooter
apparently invoked Trump as his hero in his manifesto.""What
we do know is a group of white men committed an act of terrrorism and some part
of their “justification” named Trump as inspiration.""The shooter is a big supporter of the fascist rhetoric coming from you
know who."In other words, it's Trump's fault and the
fault of white conservative men. What a hateful, unconscionable lie.
@RiDal, your claim that the New Zealand shooter "is not a Trump
supporter" lacks important context. The shooter's manifesto expressly
states that he supports Trump "as a symbol of renewed white identity and
common purpose" even though he doesn't support Trump as a policy
leader.I read this as the shooter saying doesn't like
Trump's general politics but he likes his bigotry against non-whites and
immigrants. To my way of thinking, this does not reflect well on Trump.
One might innocently think "This is horrific! Nobody supports this kind of
act!"But if you head over to the comment boards of Fox News or
Breitbart, you'll see that there is actually quite a lot of support for
this act of terrorism.The evil that human beings are capable of is
just beneath the surface for some.
The guy hated Muslims and immigrants that weren't white, hence why they
attacked a mosque. "The shooter was not an American "right
winger". He was not a Trump supporter."Bolsanaro in Brazil,
Le Pen in France, Orban in Hungary, the AfD party in Germany, there's
plenty of far right anti immigrant/refugee sentiment floating around. This
shooter is in that mold. "The "NRA" has absolutely
nothing to do with this. New Zealand already has much tighter gun laws than the
USA. In fact, on a per-capita basis, New Zealand and Norway now both have higher
mass-shooting incident rates than the USA. "Statistics of small
numbers, when you have 1/60th the population sometimes you might have 2 in a
span of time while the US has 105 and have a higher per capita rate, and
sometimes you have 0 for years. Norway has such a low homicide rate that their
one atrocity of a mass shooting doubled their gun murder rate that year. Though
I suspect your stat is actually not one of mass shooting incident rates but
rather one of mass shooting fatality rates because both those countries had one
The shooter is a big supporter of the fascist rhetoric coming from you know who.
This is just awful. It happens on the same day the president says he has the
support of violent people. A veiled threat if there ever was one. Will
this ever stop? It's so hard to understand how people I thought were
good still support the man with such awful rhetoric.
"USA has had 61 incidents of 4 or more people shot since 1 Jan 2019.New Zealand had mass shootings in:"Conflating gang violence
with "mass shootings" is just a way to tell a lie. Distorting statistics
in order to deceive the gullible has become extremely common in our society. The
wise will neither participate in it, nor will they be deceived by it."We live in a time when even the wisest will be hard-pressed to
distinguish truth from clever deception."-- President Henry B. Eyring
"A man who claimed responsibility for the shootings left a 74-page
anti-immigrant manifesto in which he explained who he was and his reasoning for
the attack. He said he was a 28-year-old white Australian and a racist."The headline makes perfect sense to me.
We ought to understand the religion issue in New Zealand. There are about 46,000
Muslims in the country, compared to 109,000 Mormons. No figures for Pastafarians
(FSM) but there are 53,000 Jedi adherents.On a serious note, perhaps
we need to consider a change in our feelings about assimilation. It has become a
dirty word, reeking of western thought. The "salad bowl" variety is du
jour.But that doesn't seem to be working, does it?
It's ironic that he protested immigration by immigrating to another country
and killing many people. I think people need to learn to control their hate and
anger. How horrible.
@one old man:"But one problem is that many of our American hate groups
idolize trump and even use some of this tweets to support their agendas.
"Well, the irony here is that the only one in this thread
singling out an American person or mythological group for blame is you. I call
that "spreading hatred".
Let me first state that no one condones this terroristic act against Muslims.
No one. Literally not one single rational person. But lets
also note how this all tends to destroy "the liberal narrative".The shooter was not an American "right winger". He was not a Trump
supporter. The "NRA" has absolutely nothing to do with this. New
Zealand already has much tighter gun laws than the USA. In fact, on a
per-capita basis, New Zealand and Norway now both have higher mass-shooting
incident rates than the USA. This should also not be used as an
excuse to insulate Islam from its many legitimate criticisms, nor as an excuse
to suppress "hate speech". The rights of the vast majority of people to
speak freely cannot be suppressed because an infinitesimal fraction of people
commit atrocities. If we were going to start blaming peripheral
conditions, like "hateful rhetoric", then should we not also consider
the reasons for the hateful rhetoric: the actions of Liberal politicians who
allow massive immigration from cultures that are truly incompatibly different
from the West ?
What I find most disturbing is the manner in which the media is covering this
tragedy. Their incessant attacks on white males leads to white male aggression.
This disgusting terrorist espoused eco-Fascism ideology. His manifesto mewlings
are similar to the incoherent chants of Antifa. It is unfortunate to read so
many comments from supposed Utahns who place blame on an American President,
rather than where it so clearly lies - the terrorist. I wonder if these same
people blame the innumerable acts of terrorism committed by Muslims on Islam?
@lost in DC - have land borders isn't the problem. There are two factors
in this region that affect this problem. From the reports the main shooter was
Australian - which is a member of the common wealth - and hence free travel
between these nations. Second, the largest problem in that region is those
that over stay visas. It's also a leading issue in the US. And the rub is most if not all those killed were legal immigrants, not
illegal. This has very little to do with illegal immigration. We had
members of our Spanish branch assaulted - who are in the country legally - but
were attacked because they were hispanic. When you see a hispanic person there
is no way of telling if they are legal, or illegal, or if they have been in
country weeks or generations. That is one of the biggest issues we are
currently facing.... assumptions are being made that if your not of European
origin, you must be illegal.
Somebody said: “I see also that New Zealand’s stringent gun laws did
not stop this horrendous act.”USA has had 61 incidents of 4 or
more people shot since 1 Jan 2019.New Zealand had mass shootings
in:Feb ‘97Feb ‘95June ‘94June
‘92May ‘92Nov ‘90May ‘51. New Zealand has had fewer mass shootings in three quarters of a century than
the US had last week. But somebody somehow claims that gun control
does not work. Right. Somebody also tried to claim that
Congresswoman Omar’s criticisms of a PAC that spends millions to buy
congressional influence for Israel is “antiSemitism.” Criticism of dark money influencing Congress is not antiSemetic, even if it is
millions of dollars being funneled to congress by Israel. What we do
know is a group of white men committed an act of terrrorism and some part of
their “justification” named Trump as inspiration. The Trump who just
said, in a taped interview, “I have the support of the police, the support
of the military, the support of the Bikers for Trump – I have the tough
people, but they don’t play it tough — until they go to a certain
point, and then it would be very bad, very bad.”
Beyond tragic. I used to live there! New Zealand is a very diverse country but
the people there are very peaceful and tolerant. It's heartbreaking to see
such goodwill taken advantage of. Xenophobia and hateful anti-immigrant
rhetoric have eroded all compassion and logic from the perpetrator (or group of
perpetrators). It's disturbing to see how the internet was
used to embolden these extremest ideologies. Even more disturbing might be that
an American president is now being cited as inspiration for terrorist attacks in
distant parts of the world. I hope we can all get better at calling
out hate speech and intolerance wherever we see it - weather that's at our
workplace, in church, our schools, or elsewhere in the community
My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims. May those behind the attacks also
be cured of their hate – and if not, may it not be allowed to spread.viejogeezerone has to wonder if omar’s anti-Semitic comments
and nancy’s weak response will contribute to a similar incident?Old manI would not give their sites the traffic – it would only
encourage themBut let’s see, New Zealand is composed of a
group of islands, no common border with anyone, so I suspect they have very
little problem with illegal immigration – nothing compared to the problem
we have with illegal immigration – any comparison, by the perps of leftist
posters on this board, is way off base. Legal immigrants are more than
welcome.I see also that New Zealand’s stringent gun laws did
not stop this horrendous act.
This is the real "war on religion" that conservatives often talk about.
This is the result of not seeing others as humans, but rather as things less
than human. When we vilify each other for just about everything they are or do,
we all lose our humanity. Too often, we look for and at differences instead of
Personal Opinion Islamophobia is alive and well.My thought is the
media here in Utah and the nation tend to down play or deemphasize occurrences
such as this.Can you imagine the outrage if this had happened at a
black southern church or a Synagogue?They are not children of a
lesser God.They should be treated with respect and dignity as any
Whether it is Trump’s anti-immigration rhetoric or Obama’s
anti-police rhetoric contributing to violence, it needs to be toned down. Both
Obama and Trump have simply not been measured in their words, weighing the
potential indirect consequences. But, the bigger problem is that
some nut jobs will glom onto any rationale no matter how illogical, to do
violence. (Because that’s what mentally ill people do.)I have
said it before. But, I’ll say it again. Half or more of the mass murders
of the past 40 years could have been prevented with appropriate mental health
services in the US and around the world. We just prefer to allow maximum freedom
by having most mentally-challenged people living intermingled in our society. I
don’t think the cost is worth it. But our society, pretty much by default,
has decided to live with the risks and the consequences.
RiDal - Sandy, UTMarch 15, 2019 8:08 a.m.@Itsjustpyrite:"Currently it's being stoked by the highest office in our nation.
"Oh, Please!Just stop it.======But
one problem is that many of our American hate groups idolize trump and even use
some of this tweets to support their agendas. And in New Zealand, the long
manifesto written by the shooter contain a number of references to trump.No, the truth is that trump is using these groups to help provide
support for him. Read some of their online rantings and you will see it for
yourselves. This is why it's so important for Americans to do
some research and learn for themselves just who these hate groups are, what they
stand for, and why.
I am pretty sure the leftists will claim Trump and/or Global Warming are
responsible for this tragedy.
Last week a Muslim congresswoman criticizes US policy toward Israel and the
politicians and news people have a week long outrage fest. Today 42 Muslims are
murdered and no one seems to care much. Where is the outrage from the
politicians? Maybe she had a point.
And in America, this kind of mindless hate is growing according to several
organizations that track hate crimes.Every American who cares needs
to begin exploring the hate sites that fill our internet.There are
sites that are openly hateful toward races, religions, skin color and more.
They are very easy to find. But when you find them, you need to be prepared to
read and see some ugly sickening things.I've tried in the past
to post information about them here, but have always been denied.But
I know that when decent people are unaware of what is flowing from the computers
around us, we allow them to succeed in their awful agendas. Only if we are
aware of the real story behind the hate that drives American extremism will we
be able to help beat them down.Ignorance does not feed knowledge.
@Itsjustpyrite: "Currently it's being stoked by the highest
office in our nation. "Oh, Please!Just stop it.
Looks like America’s foreign policy is having an affect on the rest of the
world. Good people used to look at us an example of what their countries could
be. Now evil looks to us as the example.
Every other publication in the world a massacre like this is front page news.
In Salt Lake, it is page 2 content. Would love to know the thinking behind
that. No wonder people don't understand global issues...
I can't imagine the level of resentment required to kill 49 people and
wound another 48. I know next to nothing about New Zealand, and have no way to
determine what any of us can do to help the survivors. Perhaps the media can do
some digging and let the public know if charitable contributions can be made
through the Red Cross or another organization to send a donation.
Horrific monsters loose on this planet.
No death penalty here. Only life in prison, if that.
“They are us.” This is what true leadership looks like —
uniters, not dividers, peace builders vs. inciters of hatred & prejudice.“...a man who claimed responsibility for the shootings left a
74-page anti-immigrant manifesto in which he explained who he was and his
reasoning for his actions.Ardern at a news conference alluded to
anti-immigrant sentiment as the possible motive, saying that while many people
affected by the shootings may be migrants or refugees ‘they have chosen to
make New Zealand their home, and it is their home. They are us. The person who
has perpetuated this violence against us is not’." Short
term victories & power may be gained by demagoguing the powerless, but long
term respect & accolades will be attributed to leaders such as those
we’re hearing from in Australia & New Zealand.
Madness, sheer madness.In an otherwise peaceful country,
anti-immigrant zealotry leads to multiple deaths of people in the act of
worship.It is terrorism against all of us.It is not to
be tolerated.If this country can not call out similar sentiments, we
will see even more violence on our streets.
This is what xenophobia leads to. This is more than sad. This is an extremely
ugly Act. Americans should beware of this kind of hate being stoked. Currently
it's being stoked by the highest office in our nation. Thoughts and prayers
will not stop this. Only love and acceptance and education will ever have a
chance at fighting this type of action.