"These cowardly, faceless and non-university sanctioned tactics are designed
to disrupt and frighten individuals and communities, and to garner attention for
an insidious ideology that has no place on our campus or in our
community."...Whoops. For a second, I thought she was talking
about the Deseret News, and articles like this... if not about the inevitably
resentment-inciting caricatures and aspersions her own university community
unendingly hurls at those whose free speech they find so blasphemous and
frightening. These are the nauseating types of selectively compassionate
hypocrites whom one no longer wishes to oppose so-called evil, even verbally, to
protect. These children have watched too many scary movies, and have given
themselves nightmares; but they must lie in the bed they have made.
The shooter was inspired by Communist China. Perhaps we should be looking at
how China is infiltrating our college campuses.
The Venn diagram of folks who insist that liberalism has been institutionalized
but deny that racism ever could be is just one circle.
@cl_rand:"It is also interesting how the guy in the white house loves
to dog whistle these fringe group crazies on the right."You
claim there are "dog whistles".But apparently you are the only one
can hear it.
@TheRealDJT If that's what you really believe that Democrats
believe, you need a reality check.
@hobblecreek - CA"There is no hatred towards American values by any
American political entity. "Think about it this way:There
is one group that openly: Despises our legally-elected President;Despises ~50% of the population as "deplorable";Despises our 2nd
Amendment;Wants to restrict free speech;Believes our police are
corrupt;Despises our military;Despises our foreign policy;Believes we were founded upon racism;Sees racism and bigotry lurking in
every corner;Wants to "Fundamentally change America";Wants
to change the definition of human society's oldest and most fundamental
institution;Wants to abandon or Electoral system; Believes our
economic success is based upon "greed and exploitation"; Wants to
abandon our Electoral System;Advocates openly for Socialism;....does this sound like they support American values ?
We should ask ourselves "What really is 'White
Nationalism'?"And what about it is automatically wrong ?If you are a White, male, Christian, you look around and notice that every
demographic gets to celebrate "pride" and has advocacy groups for their
rights and promotion of their culture. But there is one demographic
that is always excluded from those groups, and is actually denigrated with sly
insults and mocking jokes at every opportunity. Any hint that they may identify
and be proud of their ancestors accomplishments is automatically branded as
"bigoted" and "hateful". Is there any wonder that there is a
feeling of resentment and somewhat of a backlash ?
@hobblecreek - CA "There is no hatred towards American values by any
American political entity. "Actually, RBG hates the
constitution, and said so herself. It seems the rest of the left agrees with
her.Nationalism is a good thing for the nation. Valuing our nation
over others should be a condition of citizenship. Those who are trying to
destroy our country, who are loyal to the Mexican Cartels or China like so many
Democrat politicians, are the real problem.
@RichardB - Murray, UTMarch 16, 2019 2:18 p.m."We call things
racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems to racism, not
because it is racism, but because it works." Excellent point.
The Media is ignoring the abuses of Muslims by China, and the connection of the
shooter to Communist China because they want to play on the race angle. But,
the Han Chinese abusing the Muslin Uighar is racist as well.
1aggie"We have a president that spouts the same rhetoric as
white nationalist and refuses to call out white nationalism a problem"The term nationalism or nationalist is not a strictly partisian right
wing term. If you are a patriot and love this country, then you are a
nationalist, for example.Trump called out the white nationalist at
charlottesville, you just didnt hear him. He condemned the violence on many
sides, that means antifa, blk along with the white supremacist groups he called
out in his statement. Yes all of those mentioned groups are hate groups, the
media spun his statement in a negative way because he didnt only call out the
white supremacists, he called out everyone who contributed to the violence, and
there were peaceful protestors there on both sides who were not part of either
group, hence that is why trump said "I'm sure there are fine people
there".The propaganda hate machine of the MSM has twisted things
so much that people are ignorant to the facts.You actually have to
get your news from sources outside the country to get a true beed on what is
happening.Quit watching cnn, msnbc, fox ....etcThe real
news will open your mind.
We have a president who spouts the same rhetoric as white nationalists and
refuses to call white nationalism a problem. And just as bad, far too many Utah
Republicans fail to call him out for it. To ignore his behavipr or let it pass
is to silently support it. Utah needs to be better than this.
I am not concerned whether my neighbors are white, black, brown, or yellow. In
other words, I am not concerned that my neighbors are different than I. I am
concerned that all of us share common values of courtesy, respect, honesty,
love, kindness, etc. Christianity teaches those values. Other religions teach
those values. Non-religious groups teach those values. We can have a society in
which we are all different but have similar values of human decency and respect
for each other.I am a nationalist because I value ones right to
choose for himself or herself. I believe that globalism deceases that right.
Nationalism can include racism, but it doesn't have to be that way. We can
form national governments that include people of different cultural backgrounds
but who have common beliefs in the value of human life. Let us join together to
teach ourselves to be kind and respectful to others while still keeping our
different cultural values intact. We come from different backgrounds and
different languages but we must treat others fairly, with courtesy and kindness!
Sportsfan:"The funny thing is it was the left that instituted the jim
crow laws, it was the left that segregated the govt, the military and our
schools. "It is true that the Democratic Party was the party of
small govt and segregation. But things changed over time--Democratic Pres
Truman desegregated the military and Democratic President Lyndon Johnson signed
the Civil Rights Act. The truth is that, Southern Democrats and Southern
Republicans voted against the Civil Rights Act. There were 94
Southern Democrats in the House of Representatives. 7 voted for the bill.
There were 10 Southern Republicans in the House of Representatives. Zero voted
for the bill. Northern house Democrats voted in favor of the bill
145-9 Northern House Republicans favored the bill 138-24 Of
the 21 Southern Senators (Democrat or Republican), only 1 voted in favor of the
Civil Rights Act (A Texas Democrat).
120 Christians killed by Jihadists, 140 homes burned down. Maybe such an
incident doesn't make the news because it is common, as Christians are the
most persecuted religion worldwide. Meanwhile, a supporter of the Communist
Chinese shoots up mosques, just as they imprison Muslims in China, and it is
front page news.ADL and SPLC have no credibility, as they are simply
radical far-left partisans. Leftist Antisemitism on campus is a huge problem -
much more than a few flyers, as they try to force BDS on everyone.
#Istanbul_is_Constantinople.Mohan Sudabattula committed an act of
pure evil by taking down the flyer. #Censorship_is _Hate_Speech Leftist
Communists censoring political speech is a much bigger problem than a few
flyers. Notice Mohan was not able to verbalize a sensible response to the
flyer. Facts don't care about his feelings.🇺🇸
Okay, I figured out that this article is part of a nationwide media effort to
connect the New Zealand tragedy and white supremacy with the Republican Party
and conservatives. Pathetic. I can employ the same tactic by connecting all
journalists with the Communist Party. The only difference is that my inference
actually has more credibility since their opinions are nearly identical. Unfortunately, the killer in New Zealand wasn't a political
conservative. We can also agree that the media did a great job of concealing who
actually stopped the killer (a citizen with a gun). Rather, the media pushed the
story of someone using a credit card reader as a defense. Fine, and even
somewhat heroic, but it didn't work. At least this same man grabbed a spent
gun with the intent to use it against the killer. Again, not effective, but
heroic. Further, why not connect yesterday's Dutch killer with
radical Islam? Because the leftist media, along with the Communist Party,
regards any critical reference to Islam as racism and bigotry.
The title for this article should say:The extreme communist left
taking over almost all of our university and college campuses nationwide is a
bigger concern.Conservatives are routinely run off and their voices
oppressed on most major campuses. At Evergreen college they held a sanctioned
"No White people day" approved by the faculty, any white person caught
on campus was not allowed to speak and only allowed in certain area's.This kind of treating other's how other's have been treated in
the past exercise proves one thing, and that is the left has lost all sense of
moral's and decency. Two wrong's do not make it right in this case,
even then there aren't any people alive today that experienced slavery,
there are many alive that experienced the jim crow south and none of them are
college students. The funny thing is it was the left that instituted
the jim crow laws, it was the left that segregated the govt, the military and
our schools. Now look at the division they are creating by spreading hate and
racism as if to make up for their bad deeds of the past.They're
tearing down old confederate statues when it was they who erected them in the
first place, how Ironic.
I was a liberal voice on the University of Utah when I attended. I spoke a lot
about slavery, sexual trafficking, diversity, genocide, human rights, etc.I do remember a certain individual at the UofU who had the opinion that
there were too many Mormons and that there needed to be a restriction to only
enroll no more than 10% Mormons at the UofU. He also said that Jews and
Christians were guilty because the Old Testament condemned homosexuality. He
thought that the Holocaust was the Jews punishment for that, but he was really
vague about what he meant for Christians.The UofU administration
were silent about those comments.I recently heard of a Christian
woman at Berkeley who disagreed with gender ideology. Her party in student
government told her to leave their party. When she disagreed and wanted to
rebut the criticism in the campus newspaper they would not print her
rebuttal.A university that condemns PC intolerance holds far more
credibility than a university that only condemns non-PC intolerance.
Both sides have extremists on both sides of the table I think most people fall
in the middle but when you start hating a group whether is be left or right then
you start becoming a extremest
@The Atheist"to be fair and accurate, leftist hate for traditional
American values, including hatred expressed against Christianity is
"exploding" on college campuses."Nonsense! That is not a
true statement! That is hate filled propaganda. Open your eyes and
see!___________________I have opened my eyes and I see. I was
a lifelong Democrat (40+ years) who just recently "left The Left" and
embraced Conservative thought. The attacks on free speech on College campuses
and the attacks on Conservatives was one of numerous things that completely
changed a life-long devotion to Leftism for me.
We should be far, far, more concerned about the rise of Progressives among the
nation's colleges and universities. They are borderline Communist, and
occupy over 90% of the faculty.Conservatives who simply want to
express their views on campus (pro-life, limited government, free market
principles, etc.), are constantly being shut down, dismissed, and in some cases
violently opposed. Free speech does not even exist. This is far, far, far, more
prevalent than whatever few "white supremacists" are.
I could of swore the right wingers even Fox news stated their was no such thing
as racism...LOLGrowing up we called these kids Straight Edgers allot
of these Straight Edgers always want to jump or beat up kids who thought outside
of the Straight Edge culture. What I find horrible wrong is many of these groups
have to include violence. To me that's the same thing is the Jihad or ISIS
a group of people to have a singular culture or train of thought that threatens
violence to people who have different values from them.
“White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization — how
did that language become offensive?”Republican Rep. Steve
King, Jan. 10, 2019.
It is a mistake to use the label "white supremacists" or white
nationalists". These guys are just a relatively few people with skewed
thinking. Giving them a lot of media attention is 'scratching their
itch'. There is/are better medical terms that should be used; but avoid
over-advertising them is the best way to deal with them. In these cases, the
media is not being helpful. Radical groups, however large or small, whatever
their agenda, love to get media coverage. That is a lesson dating back to the
60's anti-war protests and other stunts.
@Tumbleweed -- You claim that there's "leftist hate for traditional
American values, including hatred expressed against Christianity" and that
it's "exploding" on college campuses. I've been a college
professor for more than 40 years at three universities and have no idea what
you're talking about.You also imply that leftists and white
nationalists are equally contemptible. Surely you're joking, right?
The South Poverty Law Center is not a legitimate source of information for any
accurate news story.
Racism is bad: I think just about everyone commenting here agrees on that
premise. What bothers me is the lock-step, blind following of those who would
rather promote a victim mentality than empower people to enjoy all the
opportunities and challenges of life. We are rapidly becoming a citizenry that
lacks resilience and is comfortable with the cold embrace of victimhood which
makes no promise of success and invariably dooms us to mediocrity. Instead of
recognizing all we could be, we instead focus on what we are, and what we
deserve because of what we are.America and the citizens that
comprise it are better than this. Instead of talking about what reparations are
owed for past travesties, why aren't we looking more to the future and what
we can be and how we can bless the lives of others? "Ask not what your
country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"-- a pretty
nationalistic statement from a Democratic president.
White nationalism is a belief that white people deserve to have their own
nation. It is the exact opposite of white christian globalism and white
supremacy where white people are supposed to rule over non whites and convert
them to christianity until the non whites accept rabbi Yeshua as their lord /
Jews as the chosen people. If you denounce white nationalism you must also
denounce Jewish nationalism or zionism. Oh wait that goes against your Neo
Judaic religion of christianity. I see a double standard here.
Karen R. here.Given the complexities of human nature and the facts
of American history, isn't it possible that sometimes it IS about:1) Privilege;2) Reverse bias;3) Being taught you're a victim,
so that's the only way you can see things;4) Feeling entitled because
things have always been designed with you in mind; and/or5) All, some, or
none of the above?I just think we'd get somewhere more
productive if, rather than defensiveness and/or victimhood, we started from the
understanding that we're all biased and most of us mean no ill intent. So
there's nothing to be ashamed of or defensive about because we aren't
guilty of anything. Except being human beings. ALL of us. In that we are
absolutely equal.If we start there, then IMO what we owe each other
first is the benefit of the doubt, not accusations or derogatory conclusions
about character. Even where bias is one of the culprits, it probably
wasn't intentional, so let's cut each other some slack.
I agree with a previous poster that we should be more selective in the words we
use to describe what we see.For example, white privilege. There are many
whites who are disadvantaged and many blacks who are empowered. It seems like it
has more to do with class and culture than with race. But instead of helping
work toward a solution, the term becomes divisive.The same with the
overuse of racism. When I lived in an apartment, the neighbor kids would
play with my kids's bikes without asking and leave them in driveways where
they could get run over. When I went to talk to the Mom, she just called me
racist instead of listening to concerns. I learned I had to lock up my kids
tricycle if I didn't want it to get run over, but I still remain shocked
that race even came up in a conversation about tricycles.We have overused
race so much that, as unacceptable as it is, we shouldn't be so surprised
that the far right uses it in the opposite direction. We need to change
the way we talk about this if we want to change the way we work together to
solve the problem.Most importantly, we can't shut down free speech if
we want problems to get solved.
“I don’t think Tumbleweed is excusing in any way white supremacy. I
think what Tumbleweed is trying to say is where is the Deseret News article
decrying Antifa and other left wing hate groups? I live near Berkeley where this
group thrives and gets away with anything.”BLM and ANTIFA
aren’t shooting up mosques and synagogues. White supremacists are. The FBI
recently reported a huge uptick of right wing terrorism. This is a problem that
needs to be addressed. BLM and ANTIFA aren’t problems that need to be
addressed because they aren’t terrorizing or killing people like the white
supremacists are. There’s a lot of poor comments on this
board. Pulling the “whataboutism” to excuse white supremacists and
radical right wing terrorism is deplorable.
Those on this board who are defending "nationalism" have good reason to.
Pure nationalism is all about a healthy nation. But, that's not what this
article is about. It's about "white nationalism" and "white
supremacy", both of which are inherently racist as their titles indicate.
Indeed, each of those is damaging to the health of a nation. Regardless, in this
case, speech should be tolerated as free, unless it falls into the legal
category of inciting to riot, directly promoting violence, etc.
In 1961, I was in a civil rights march in Memphis. I have never seen anything
so ugly nor been more frightened in my life.Now I'm very afraid
that those ugly days are coming back and their return is being led by the man
who should be leading in the right direction.He's not.Instead he's doing all he can to Make America A Great Disaster. It's sickening.
I read The Blaze to find articles of substance that report, analyze, and stand
for the constitution, Christian values, and historical accuracy and the Deseret
News for church related articles, human interest stories, sports, etc., (and
quite enjoy those) but the one thing I do not read them for, nor trust them to
do, is to report the news without bias. This article was pathetic! Never once
would the Deseret News have written article with a headline such as, 'The
Rise of Socialist thought from Obama's policies.' or a host of other
possibilities. No, those just would not do, but someone puts up a message to
make a point, it matters not what the point is, and we get a headline not only
declaring 'The Rise of White Nationalism', but implies that the
election of Donald Trump spurred that rise. Deseret News, you can do do better
than this. I stand as neither a Democrat nor Republican, but as a hard working,
Christian, family man that also happens to be an educator. I can't be
fooled! I do not care for Political Correctness and absolutely will not
listen, read, or be moved by ignorance, foolishness, or news reporters that
won't let me chew my morsels all by myself!
"1) whites should have dominance over people of other backgrounds,
especially where they may co-exist; 2) whites should live by themselves in a
whites-only society; 3) white people have their own 'culture' that is
superior to other cultures; 4) white people are genetically superior to other
people."I don't see why number 2 is that big of a problem.
I am for liberty and if a group of white, brown, black, and whatever else group
there is want to live together on their own, why should anyone else care? If
some white people want to live by themselves in their white only area and they
are happy, we should be happy for them. If anything we should encourage it so
they will isolated in their areas and leave everyone else alone. We should be
for allowing more choices and not less. The other items listed are stupid and
not based in any fact.
@nancybLV"however the ones that are so concerned are they also
concerned about BLM because all you hear about these days are how bad white
people are"I'm not concerned about BLM. Mostly because I
paid enough attention to know that they think all lives SHOULD matter but
because of disparities in treatment, that isn't the case (which is why
asserting that all lives matter frustrates them, because it ignores inequalities
which still exist), so they are asserting that black lives matter too.
All the founding fathers and all presidents except Obama were
"nationalists". Being a nationalist is not the problem. Being racist
is a big problem. Being socialist, where government controls everything and
outcomes must be equal, is a big problem. The premise and title of this article
are founded on hijacking and twisting the meaning of "nationalism".
Don't let leftists hijack this word, "Nationalism": 1. spirit
or aspirations common to the whole of a nation.2. devotion and loyalty to
one's own country; patriotism. America first. America can't
help other countries if America is ruled by un-elected judicial tyrants and
mostly bankrupt by misguided socialism. Also, a welfare state and open borders
are a recipe for bankruptcy. Many presidents have invoked national emergency
powers to protect other nations. Logically and legally, Trump can invoke
national emergency powers to protect our nation! Trump is only doing his job to
protect America from illegal drugs, human trafficking, crime, and welfare drain!
Here is the words of the shooter himself. I could care less for his name as I
will not give him the glory he seeks.“For once, the person
that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist, I am sure the journalists
will love that,” he wrote. “I mostly agree with Sir Oswald
Mosley’s views and consider myself an eco-fascist. The nation with the
closest political and social values to my own is the People’s Republic of
China.”How do people find right wing ideology from this? This
is closer to left wing democratic communism ideology than anything else. Forced
obedience. The shooter wanted to cause division. He did it. Look at how many
papers ran with the white nationalist theory. The papers, again, create
@Utah Democrat. Being nationalistic is not the same as being racist. People of
all ethnicities in the US have supported nationalistic ideals at one time or
another. The term racist is used far too readily on anyone who disagrees with an
opinion, policy or program that is deemed "inclusive" regardless its
merits or consequences. While welcoming people from all nations, we also have a
responsibility to preserve what is good in our language, culture and heritage
without whitewashing the past. We are part of the greatest nation on the earth.
Liberals and conservatives and everyine in between have a role in this,
regardless of labels. (And we shouldn't be tearing fliers down just because
we disagree with them. May the best ideas prevail!)
There are 4140 college campuses in the US, that would be about than one
“Flyer” at 10% of the college campuses in the US.Referencing
the South Poverty Law Center which is extremely Left wing and supports a myriad
of Civil Disturbance groups. They fired the longtime director Friday because of
extreme bias and questionable activity, within the organization. They are the
ones Publishing the Hate List when they themselves support the same type of
groups on the other side of the ledger.There is no doubt that civil
disobedience abounds with in the country, but who is qualified to judge and
claim one is more moral than another. The first Amendment guarantees freedom of
speech. BLM supporting groups and individuals literally sacked and
pillaged, St Louis, Baltimore, and many other cities.Most people in
this country support each other.There will always be hate, there will
always be violence, there will also be kindness, peace, and caring for
others.What we do is an individual choice and by example we change the
hearts of others. Not by force, intimidation, or challenging individual choice.
I am not for any of this no matter what race you are....however the ones that
are so concerned are they also concerned about BLM because all you hear about
these days are how bad white people are........
Utah has had a serious and sometimes militant white supremacy problem for a very
long time, for instance, in the St. George area in the 90's. The only thing
that has changed is that it has crawled out of the shadows and into the
I’m truly disappointed in the comments on this board.The fact that
nearly all the comments are defensive and dismissive of racism should also be a
huge red flag.
Ideas rise and fall on their own merit through debate and discussion. Not
through the supression and censorship of tearing down fliers. Freedom of
expression is an inalienable right. If your only response to a disagreeable idea
is to suppress it, maybe you don't have much confidence in your own.
Amazing the number of "but liberals are bad too" posts here.
Are we taking about the color of someone’s skin? Or are we talking about a
big segment of society that has been left behind? I think the root problem is
opportunity. The left cry’s out for opportunity and they aren’t
patriotic enough. The right calls out and they are racist. Somewhere buried in
this quagmire is the very dangerous hate filled white nationalist. I’m
sure that most white people do not want to be affiliated with the extreme right.
I also feel that most of the left leaning are patriotic and spiritual people.
It’s the extremes on both sides that need to mellow out. The president
isn’t helping. We need all of the branches of government to work from the
center. Opportunities will be abundant for all.
"We call things racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems
to racism, not because it is racism, but because it works." ---
Alfredo Gutierrez, political consultant, as quoted by Richard de Uriarte, The
Phoenix Gazette, March 14, 1992
Karen R, Yes I did hear or sense that in your comment, and gave it an up vote.
Apparently, it is an acceptable policy to disallow speech if somebody believes
the speech may be "promoting a problematic ideology that could lead to
something really dangerous". That policy, if equally applied to all groups,
would be quite dangerous, would it not? Who is to decide what ideology is
problematic? Who is to decide when the risk of leading to something bad is too
great? Who is to decide what is really dangerous? For example, does the left
really want to empower a state university to ban communist speakers, on the
ground that the university believes that the communist ideology is
"problematic" and could lead to something really dangerous?
The Extremes on Both sides are part of the problem!Most Americans
want to be happy. Not sure why the media is fueling all this hate nonsense.Stop it!
@ sashabillI agree with your comment and gave it an up vote. To me,
you and I are saying very similar things. I'm curious if you heard that in
my comment (the one directed to "imsmarterthanyou" at 11:20 a.m.) or if
you heard something else.
@ The Great HelmsmanSeriously!!! Your standard is that it is not
hate until someone takes a gun and kills a bunch of innocent people?
If we want to create "hate-free zones," one major "first step"
will to create guilt-free zones. Nobody is inherently guilty because of their
race, gender, ethnic background, or nationality. "White guilt," or
inherent guilt applied to those of any race, ethnicity, or nationality, is
little more than an updated, secularized "politically correct" version
of Original Sin. I reject any such guilt, applied to anybody, for the simple
reason that it does not exist.
Sometimes you learn more about the subject by the comments than a biased article
written by the AP or it's affiliates. Since most journalists are left
leaning, it's easy to spot the bias verses the facts. Sadly with what the
left calls news offends a lot of decent hard working people. With this type of
journalism, people will feel isolated, and when they offer an opinion, they are
@MaxI must have missed it. Please tell me members of the Southern
Poverty Law Center walked into a Christian church and shot 40 + folks?
So, Mohan Sudabattula admits that he committed the crime of vandalism at the
University of Utah when he removed posters without authorization?Was
he arrested?Did he get expelled from the school?Was this
evidence of a double standard?
These groups may be popping up in various areas because the liberal media tries
to make people feel that white people in the United States of America are all
racists and evil and they feel that this is the only they can respond.
@ imsmarterthanyou"I'm not racist."Okay.
Do you think you're biased? I ask because I think we as a society could
make more headway on this issue if we stopped throwing around the racist label
so easily and instead began speaking in those terms. Research shows that
we're all biased; that we come hardwired that way. (Including political
bias, by the way. It's estimated that genetics explains about 40% of where
we fall politically, environment the rest.) Research also shows that culture
further influences our biases, thus explaining, e.g., why race relations in
Canadian culture aren't fraught with the baggage they are in the U.S.So is "biased" a label you can accept about yourself? IMO, if
we could start from this evidence-based premise, we could free ourselves of a
lot of the defensiveness and also make more room for forgiveness. How can we
judge another for what we also naturally possess? Particularly when it
isn't intentional. IMO, racism is a conscious, intentional thing.(Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that some of our history isn't
racist. IMO, most of us freely acknowledge this, as do our laws. I'm
talking in terms of people today.)
I am in no way a supporter of white nationalism or superiority. I am a supporter
of free speech. At the very first of the article the individual said they took
down all of the posters. I can vehemently reject their message and at the same
time support their right to put their posters on message boards. Simple matter
of free speech. The individual had no right to take down the posters.
Okay, so we know that the Right goes too far when they start advocating white
dominance and segregation. This much is obvious to the vast majority of us.
Good. Now, when does the Left go too far? What are the limits? That’s
what’s missing from the dialogue. That’s why the Right gets
defensive at articles like this. It’s not because they agree with the
white supremacists. They just don’t want the crimes on the right to be an
excuse for crimes on the left. Rightists who go too far are easily identifiable
and rightly shunned by most of society. Leftists who go too far are hip and
appear on trendy T-shirts.
White supremacists are race based. Leftist are not race based. This is a big
difference. Socialism is economics based. Fascism is a social movement. The
world is descending into fascism led by Donald Trump!
@Tumbleweed, no it isn't. Have you stepped foot on a college campus lately?
In Utah, there's invariably an LDS institute across the street and dozens
of Christian student organizations.
@eigerjoe globalism is not about rule by a single world government - it's
about enabling the flow of people and ideas across borders to the greatest
extent possible. Nationalistic ideas inherently segregate and divide based on
some arbitrary boundary or trait and rely on supremacist ideology, that "I
belong here and you don't." There's no way to escape the racist
March 16, 2019 "...respect for one another's
beliefs."When I hear this coming from believers and from college
kids demanding safe spaces, I hear, "Just let me believe what I want in
peace. Don't challenge me." IMO, people are owed respect,
not beliefs. What is owed beliefs is critical assessment, if only to ensure
that they don't lead to/enable harm. The nature of a belief shouldn't
exempt it either. Be it religious, liberal, whatever - it must stand/fall on
its actual merits, not its privileged place in the world.@ Mainly
Me"Check Breitbart News for the facts..."Per Ben
Shapiro (former Breitbart Editor-At-Large), Daily Wire, 8/17/16:"Under Bannon’s Leadership, Breitbart Openly Embraced The White
Supremacist Alt-Right. Andrew Breitbart despised racism. Truly despised
it...With Bannon embracing Trump, all that changed. Now Breitbart has become the
alt-right go-to website, with Yiannopoulos pushing white ethno-nationalism as a
legitimate response to political correctness, and the comment section turning
into a cesspool for white supremacist mememakers."I agree with
Ben Shapiro on some things. This is one of them.
I completely reject white supremacy which is the belief that white people are
superior to those of all other races, especially the black race, and should
therefore dominate society. I also hate the way the liberal left
associate’s supremacy with nationalism. They are not the same. In today's world of politics, Nationalism means each country is governed
by the citizens of that country. Nationalism is the opposite of Globalism which
means all countries are governed by a single global government (a worldwide
government). Nationalism in America also means the interests of this
country supersede the interests of other nations.Being white and
being a nationalist is not the same as being a white supremacist and does not
make one a racist.
I don't agree with what they're doing. (As I told my friends at dinner
Friday, the far right and the far left are both evil in my estimation) but this
is no more dangerous or foolhardy than the leftists shutting down the freeway or
airport terminals so people cannot travel. The left created a lot of this mess
and this is the push-back. This is still a free society for all. May it always
The best thing that can happen to a hateful group or person is for the media to
give attention to them. When will US media decide to not say the names of these
killers. Stop digging into their life stories. Stop sharing points from their
crazed manifestos. Instead tell us about the beautiful lives that were lost.
Theirs should be the names we remember.
Well, when you accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a white
supremacist, what are you supposed to do if actual ones start showing up? A fine
question for the SPLC and ADL. Actually we're at the nexus of quite a few
problems at the moment that people seem not to understand. First you have had
all the other racial identity and racial nationalist groups acting very in the
open for a while, and anyone who disagrees with them was blanket labeled white
supremacists. Then society decided that we simply didn't want to deal with
them and we pushed them out at the whim of any accusation. So we now we have an
ever growing group of societal exiles who we've pretty much stripped of
work and the ability to interact with much of society, and we're suddenly
surprised when bad people start recruiting from this ever increasing pool.
“I know, let's ban everyone from society that's even remotely
connected, declare even more people to be part of this group, that's the
surefire way to succeed!" Because historically that's worked great for
everyone who tries it, driving the beasts to the darkness just means
they're that much harder to see when they're about to pounce.
I agree with Third Try Screen Name. The Southern Poverty Law Center is an
extremist hate group of the third order. Anything to do with traditional family
and religious life is labeled by them as hate. Anything they disagree with is
labeled as hate. That anybody would take them seriously is fascinating.
I think I found the problem in another comment post:"Check
Breitbart News for the facts"
Hmm... this article was about the rise of white nationalism, not the problem of
leftist ideology on college campuses....
The Gospel of Jesus Christ teaches that all people, of all colors and nations,
are children of God. As we humbly come to recognize our true relationship to
God, and as we come to better know God's true character (that of love,
mercy, power, and so much more), we will be filled with love for all people. We
view others in their true nature--a beloved child of God.For those
individuals (and I use the term "individuals" very deliberately) that
believe one nation of group of people are better than others, they simply do not
understand the true character of God, and they do not truly accept the teachings
of Christ. Nor do they understand and accept the truth that we are all children
of God.For this reason, the teaching of religious truths will have
the greatest impact towards peace than anything else. Embracing true faith will
solve more problems than any other effort, because the embrace of true faith and
understanding will result in acts of love, charity, and service towards all
people throughout the world.The false doctrine that one person is
better than another is pure evil.
So to righties when I believe a person should be able to marry whom they love,
and health care should be available to all, and we humans do influence the
deterioration of our environment..somehow I"hate' traditional values.
When I point out that religious folks "often" don't
believe in the science of human origin, the science of human/fetus development,
the science of human sexuality, the science of environmental change.....I
"hate" religion. There are thin lines sometimes in rhetoric
and beliefs. To believe that a person with same sex attractions is less than
normal is your right, and to say so is free speech, but to deny them their civil
rights is bigotry, and needs to be called out as such. The
difference between labeling all disagreements as "hate", and calling out
the unlawful and immoral iteration of differences in belief is massive, and the
right is not on the right side of that equation.
Such profoundly flawed people insisting on the supremacy of their race or
religion is an oxymoron.
Busy morning for the apologists.
@slackoff and TumbleweedIt is more than just activists for the left
on campus being "in your face." Liberalism is institutionalized, even in
state-owned universities.Let's say you believe in marriage
between a man and a woman, a not-so-strange belief for the last few millennia.
And yet you have succeeded in business and done charitable work globally,
sufficient to entice the university to bestow an honorary degree in humane
letters.But activists cannot abide such a move and call for her to
resign from one of the charitable groups she works with.And the
University of Utah goes along with the demands and modifies its selection
process to weed out those evil, traditional family folks.For the
record, the SPLC, mentioned in the article here, is the go-to expert on what
constitutes a hate group and where they are active. They identified World
Congress of Families a hate group, which started this whole mess.Who
are the real haters here?This is not theoretical. This really
happened at the U in 2016.This push-back is no surprise. Nor is its
This article itself is propaganda. Taking a quote from Donald Trump, literally
taking it out of context and changing the focus of his tweet from illegal
immigration to simply immigration in an effort to paint everyone who wants to
curb illegal immigration as racist is absolutely deplorable. It never should
have made it past the editor's desk.
I don’t think Tumbleweed is excusing in any way white supremacy. I think
what Tumbleweed is trying to say is where is the Deseret News article decrying
Antifa and other left wing hate groups? I live near Berkeley where this group
thrives and gets away with anything. I didn’t read this
article to learn about white supremacy hate. I can spot it myself and shun it. I
was Just curious how long it would take for this paper to mention Trump as the
cause. And of course there it was. Where were the articles about Obama inciting
division based on race. He did it from the getgo. Anyone honest with themselves
would know that the president is trying his hardest to protect us from the worst
that comes from other countries. Not everyone, just those that would do us harm.
Is that white supremacy and racism? I think not.
From the looks of many of the below posts, white nationalism and its supporters
have fun root in Utah. Shame
Newton's law. "for every action, there is an equal and opposite
reaction" applies to humans, too, it seems. At least for the 'natural
man'. Tumbleweeds makes a very good point for people to rethink their
agenda which is urged by those seeking power. The really Christian approach
using the Golden Rule ( which is echo-ed in every religion ) promotes the use of
reason and kindly inspiration to solve issues acceptable to all.
I'm not racist. I am white. I am proud of my heritage and I celebrate it. I
cringe every time I see Martin Lawrence, or any other black or brown
"entertainer" make racist comments in movies, television, and at public
events. Whitey this and that. It's never ending and they are never called
on their racist comments. It's perfectly fine for people of color to be
racist against white people. No one ever says anything about that. But let one
white person say they want to have "white history month" to give equal
celebration along with "Black history month" and many other cultural
celebrations for people of color, that white person is labeled a racist and
ridiculed. So if you are offended by my celebration of my heritage, you
are welcome to try and stop me while you spit your racist comments at me.
Within the 1500 page manifesto that the New Zealand shooter wrote, he stated
that the ideology that was closest to his own, was Communist China. Check
Breitbart News for the facts and details on the Manifesto
Remember the golden, .. love your neighbor as yourself.If I had to
guess why there different kinds of people, I would guess so our learning of the
golden rule, should we choose to embrace it, would be deep, not shallow.
When a guy in New Zealand who writes a manifesto hating conservatives and claims
to be killing people to cause divisiveness. And then for the Deseret news to
print a picture of White Supremacists from years ago and then say that
conservatives, white supremacists and this guy in New Zealand are all related is
gross incompetence. I assume that you are trolling for comments because your
subscriptions are down. Being conservative has nothing to do with skin color.
A guy who hates Muslims in New Zealand has nothing to do with Americans. And
ideologies that you may not like being printed for discussion on college
campuses that don't specifically call out racist ideas maybe are or maybe
are not linked to white supremacist, but just because you don't like them
doesn't created the link. Again this is a lazy article. If I had a
subscription I would ask to cancel it.
This is a hoot. Yesterday I said white Nationalism was spreading. That’s
all I said. And the DN editors denied my comment. Now today, this.
"to be fair and accurate, leftist hate for traditional American values,
including hatred expressed against Christianity is "exploding" on
college campuses."Nonsense! That is not a true statement! That
is hate filled propaganda. Open your eyes and see!
It is amazing how the liberal, far left can run virtually every campus and crush
free speech by defining others with different opinions as evil and dangerous.
Does the liberal left speakers and student organizations require special
protection from campus police in order to peacefully meet to promote their
ideologies? No, because the entire power structure including the campus police
are in place to make certain the liberal left has the full right to free speech.
I noticed with interest that conservative groups at Utah and like many other
universities such as Cal Berkley, are having their freedom of speech squashed by
the liberal left and in many instances with violence. Yet there doesn't
seem to be any concerns for free speech especially if you are showing any
support for making America great again. Perhaps these, so called, white
nationalist are campus conservatives that have decided to fight against the far
left on campuses and join together as a source of strength and protection from
those leftwing students and facility that want's to eliminate them from
Tumbleweed:Your post is right on. One group may be quietly advertising
(its doing this on campuses across USA), the other is unabashedly in your face.
It would be helpful if this opinion article also addressed the extremism on
college campuses. Free enterprise is being demonized. What has in the past
been considered patriotic, love of country is called being called extreme. Free
speech and diversity of opinion on campuses is being muzzled. Traditional
heroes of American history are being villainized by the context and conditions
of present times rather than the context and conditions of the times they lived
in. The left paints anyone that does not prescribe to their views as evil and
distorts any arguments against leftest views. Extremism begets extremism. The
first defense against white nationalism on campuses is to moderate the extreme
left wing views on college campuses.
I agree with Tumbleweed and I abhor the bigotry and narrow minded views of
anyone part of a White Nationalist group but on the same token when I see the
hypocrisy of the media, Hollywood and the liberal left basing white male
conservatives I see just how narrow minded they are as well. Quite possibly they
are breeding some of this hate of the White Nationalist with their blame of
Trump, Conservatives and white males in general for just about any social issue
in this country. You name it and they most likely are getting blamed for it. I
don't believe that any of these groups will ever have any interest in civil
debate as they are so immobilized by the stories they keep telling themselves
Let us shun these groups!Let us also shun anything that reenforces
division...a partial list:Neo NazisBlack lives matter
supremacistsInternational day history monthThe caucusLa racaEtc...We can celebrate peoples without creating more
division. Sadly, only when we do this will there be peace.
I think hate begats hate, all we hear from the left is secularism, white
privilege and hate groups like antifa and BLK.The propaganda spewed
by leftist's have spurned a response from the alternate side of the hate
spectrum.The intolerant left of religious groups and conservative
values will naturally create diviciveness, it was only a matter of time before
the alt right retaliates.These are the current dynamics of american
culture created in the last 10 years.Thanks barry soetoro.
Tumbleweed - Centerville, UTMarch 15, 2019 10:02 p.m." . .
. White Nationalism may be "creeping" onto college campuses, but, to be
fair and accurate, leftist hate for traditional American values, including
hatred expressed against Christianity . . . "Is this an excuse
for the rise of white nationalism and the xenophobia that it propagates? It
certainly sounds like a diversion and distraction from the subject, "Hey,
that may be, but look over here." The numbers of people killed and injured
by domestic, fringe Right-Wing neo-Nazi's and white nationalists in this
country is orders of magnitude beyond anything one finds from immigrant criminal
elements and Islamic terrorists. Domestic terrorism directed at Jewish people,
immigrants, and people of color because they don't fit in with the white
nationalist concept of the United States is the issue.We can discuss
the perceptions suggested in this comment at a later time, but the need to
combat the evils of white nationalism and its racist forebears needs to be
understood and bring the full weight of the United States Department of Justice
and Department of Homeland Security to fight it. It is the dirty truth of
There is no hatred towards American values by any American political entity.
There is just false narratives being used as propoganda to incite hate towards
people of a different political party to create discord and to weaken American
society and democracy.
If your first instinct in reading this article is to get defensive...
The way that this is being framed is that white supremacy is exploding in
popularity but ask yourself if you personally have witnessed it. Just because
more fliers and groups are popping up doesn't mean that tons of people are
joining.The media keeps shining a focal light on white
supremacy/nationalists. To be sure, racism and nationalistic egoism exist but
it's being blown way out of proportion. I'm ethnic. I've
witnessed prejudice. But it is extremely rare. What is worth shining the focal
light on is the increasing number of youth being indoctrinated by
post-modern/violent/hateful/Marxist ideologies on college campuses. I personally
know many of these people. The past century have over a hundred million bodies
and billions more enslaved to prove how cancerous that ideology is. Let's
focus on the greater threat here.Also, the Southern Poverty Law
Center has no credibility. They don't consider violent left-wing groups
(e.g. Antifa) to be a hate group. Convenient that hate can only come from one
Thank you, tumbleweed. If there's anything white nationalism needs,
it's someone to play devil's advocate for it.
White Nationalism may be "creeping" onto college campuses, but, to be
fair and accurate, leftist hate for traditional American values, including
hatred expressed against Christianity is "exploding" on college
campuses. Hatred on either end of the political spectrum needs to be replaced
with civil debate and respect for one another's beliefs.