The rise of white nationalism is creeping onto Utah campuses. What you need to know

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  • agkcrbs Holladay, UT
    March 25, 2019 9:53 a.m.

    "These cowardly, faceless and non-university sanctioned tactics are designed to disrupt and frighten individuals and communities, and to garner attention for an insidious ideology that has no place on our campus or in our community."

    ...Whoops. For a second, I thought she was talking about the Deseret News, and articles like this... if not about the inevitably resentment-inciting caricatures and aspersions her own university community unendingly hurls at those whose free speech they find so blasphemous and frightening. These are the nauseating types of selectively compassionate hypocrites whom one no longer wishes to oppose so-called evil, even verbally, to protect. These children have watched too many scary movies, and have given themselves nightmares; but they must lie in the bed they have made.

  • Cultural Revolution Shanghai, China, 00
    March 20, 2019 11:42 p.m.

    The shooter was inspired by Communist China. Perhaps we should be looking at how China is infiltrating our college campuses.

  • Liberal Mormon Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2019 1:32 p.m.

    The Venn diagram of folks who insist that liberalism has been institutionalized but deny that racism ever could be is just one circle.

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    March 20, 2019 10:36 a.m.

    @cl_rand:
    "It is also interesting how the guy in the white house loves to dog whistle these fringe group crazies on the right."

    You claim there are "dog whistles".
    But apparently you are the only one can hear it.

  • walkingman24 Orem, UT
    March 20, 2019 10:28 a.m.

    @TheRealDJT

    If that's what you really believe that Democrats believe, you need a reality check.

  • TheRealDJT Sandy, UT
    March 20, 2019 9:25 a.m.

    @hobblecreek - CA
    "There is no hatred towards American values by any American political entity. "

    Think about it this way:
    There is one group that openly:
    Despises our legally-elected President;
    Despises ~50% of the population as "deplorable";
    Despises our 2nd Amendment;
    Wants to restrict free speech;
    Believes our police are corrupt;
    Despises our military;
    Despises our foreign policy;
    Believes we were founded upon racism;
    Sees racism and bigotry lurking in every corner;
    Wants to "Fundamentally change America";
    Wants to change the definition of human society's oldest and most fundamental institution;
    Wants to abandon or Electoral system;
    Believes our economic success is based upon "greed and exploitation";
    Wants to abandon our Electoral System;
    Advocates openly for Socialism;

    ....does this sound like they support American values ?

  • RiDal Sandy, UT
    March 20, 2019 9:07 a.m.

    We should ask ourselves "What really is 'White Nationalism'?"
    And what about it is automatically wrong ?

    If you are a White, male, Christian, you look around and notice that every demographic gets to celebrate "pride" and has advocacy groups for their rights and promotion of their culture.

    But there is one demographic that is always excluded from those groups, and is actually denigrated with sly insults and mocking jokes at every opportunity. Any hint that they may identify and be proud of their ancestors accomplishments is automatically branded as "bigoted" and "hateful". Is there any wonder that there is a feeling of resentment and somewhat of a backlash ?

  • dUUi Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2019 2:22 p.m.

    @hobblecreek - CA "There is no hatred towards American values by any American political entity. "

    Actually, RBG hates the constitution, and said so herself. It seems the rest of the left agrees with her.

    Nationalism is a good thing for the nation. Valuing our nation over others should be a condition of citizenship. Those who are trying to destroy our country, who are loyal to the Mexican Cartels or China like so many Democrat politicians, are the real problem.

  • Soccer ⚽ Coach St. George, UT
    March 19, 2019 11:08 a.m.

    @RichardB - Murray, UT
    March 16, 2019 2:18 p.m.
    "We call things racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems to racism, not because it is racism, but because it works."

    Excellent point. The Media is ignoring the abuses of Muslims by China, and the connection of the shooter to Communist China because they want to play on the race angle. But, the Han Chinese abusing the Muslin Uighar is racist as well.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    March 19, 2019 10:18 a.m.

    1aggie

    "We have a president that spouts the same rhetoric as white nationalist and refuses to call out white nationalism a problem"

    The term nationalism or nationalist is not a strictly partisian right wing term. If you are a patriot and love this country, then you are a nationalist, for example.

    Trump called out the white nationalist at charlottesville, you just didnt hear him. He condemned the violence on many sides, that means antifa, blk along with the white supremacist groups he called out in his statement. Yes all of those mentioned groups are hate groups, the media spun his statement in a negative way because he didnt only call out the white supremacists, he called out everyone who contributed to the violence, and there were peaceful protestors there on both sides who were not part of either group, hence that is why trump said "I'm sure there are fine people there".

    The propaganda hate machine of the MSM has twisted things so much that people are ignorant to the facts.

    You actually have to get your news from sources outside the country to get a true beed on what is happening.

    Quit watching cnn, msnbc, fox ....etc

    The real news will open your mind.

  • The Dark Knight Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2019 7:45 p.m.

    We have a president who spouts the same rhetoric as white nationalists and refuses to call white nationalism a problem. And just as bad, far too many Utah Republicans fail to call him out for it. To ignore his behavipr or let it pass is to silently support it. Utah needs to be better than this.

  • AllenL Riverton, UT
    March 18, 2019 7:01 p.m.

    I am not concerned whether my neighbors are white, black, brown, or yellow. In other words, I am not concerned that my neighbors are different than I. I am concerned that all of us share common values of courtesy, respect, honesty, love, kindness, etc. Christianity teaches those values. Other religions teach those values. Non-religious groups teach those values. We can have a society in which we are all different but have similar values of human decency and respect for each other.

    I am a nationalist because I value ones right to choose for himself or herself. I believe that globalism deceases that right. Nationalism can include racism, but it doesn't have to be that way. We can form national governments that include people of different cultural backgrounds but who have common beliefs in the value of human life. Let us join together to teach ourselves to be kind and respectful to others while still keeping our different cultural values intact. We come from different backgrounds and different languages but we must treat others fairly, with courtesy and kindness!

  • 1aggie Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2019 5:23 p.m.

    Sportsfan:
    "The funny thing is it was the left that instituted the jim crow laws, it was the left that segregated the govt, the military and our schools. "

    It is true that the Democratic Party was the party of small govt and segregation. But things changed over time--Democratic Pres Truman desegregated the military and Democratic President Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act. The truth is that, Southern Democrats and Southern Republicans voted against the Civil Rights Act.

    There were 94 Southern Democrats in the House of Representatives. 7 voted for the bill.
    There were 10 Southern Republicans in the House of Representatives. Zero voted for the bill.
    Northern house Democrats voted in favor of the bill 145-9
    Northern House Republicans favored the bill 138-24
    Of the 21 Southern Senators (Democrat or Republican), only 1 voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act (A Texas Democrat).

  • Ayla Stewart Fan Grants Pass, OR
    March 18, 2019 1:42 p.m.

    120 Christians killed by Jihadists, 140 homes burned down. Maybe such an incident doesn't make the news because it is common, as Christians are the most persecuted religion worldwide. Meanwhile, a supporter of the Communist Chinese shoots up mosques, just as they imprison Muslims in China, and it is front page news.

    ADL and SPLC have no credibility, as they are simply radical far-left partisans. Leftist Antisemitism on campus is a huge problem - much more than a few flyers, as they try to force BDS on everyone. #Istanbul_is_Constantinople.

    Mohan Sudabattula committed an act of pure evil by taking down the flyer. #Censorship_is _Hate_Speech Leftist Communists censoring political speech is a much bigger problem than a few flyers. Notice Mohan was not able to verbalize a sensible response to the flyer. Facts don't care about his feelings.

    🇺🇸

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    March 18, 2019 1:36 p.m.

    Okay, I figured out that this article is part of a nationwide media effort to connect the New Zealand tragedy and white supremacy with the Republican Party and conservatives. Pathetic. I can employ the same tactic by connecting all journalists with the Communist Party. The only difference is that my inference actually has more credibility since their opinions are nearly identical.

    Unfortunately, the killer in New Zealand wasn't a political conservative. We can also agree that the media did a great job of concealing who actually stopped the killer (a citizen with a gun). Rather, the media pushed the story of someone using a credit card reader as a defense. Fine, and even somewhat heroic, but it didn't work. At least this same man grabbed a spent gun with the intent to use it against the killer. Again, not effective, but heroic.

    Further, why not connect yesterday's Dutch killer with radical Islam? Because the leftist media, along with the Communist Party, regards any critical reference to Islam as racism and bigotry.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    March 18, 2019 11:13 a.m.

    The title for this article should say:

    The extreme communist left taking over almost all of our university and college campuses nationwide is a bigger concern.

    Conservatives are routinely run off and their voices oppressed on most major campuses. At Evergreen college they held a sanctioned "No White people day" approved by the faculty, any white person caught on campus was not allowed to speak and only allowed in certain area's.

    This kind of treating other's how other's have been treated in the past exercise proves one thing, and that is the left has lost all sense of moral's and decency. Two wrong's do not make it right in this case, even then there aren't any people alive today that experienced slavery, there are many alive that experienced the jim crow south and none of them are college students.

    The funny thing is it was the left that instituted the jim crow laws, it was the left that segregated the govt, the military and our schools. Now look at the division they are creating by spreading hate and racism as if to make up for their bad deeds of the past.

    They're tearing down old confederate statues when it was they who erected them in the first place, how Ironic.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    March 18, 2019 11:07 a.m.

    I was a liberal voice on the University of Utah when I attended. I spoke a lot about slavery, sexual trafficking, diversity, genocide, human rights, etc.

    I do remember a certain individual at the UofU who had the opinion that there were too many Mormons and that there needed to be a restriction to only enroll no more than 10% Mormons at the UofU. He also said that Jews and Christians were guilty because the Old Testament condemned homosexuality. He thought that the Holocaust was the Jews punishment for that, but he was really vague about what he meant for Christians.

    The UofU administration were silent about those comments.

    I recently heard of a Christian woman at Berkeley who disagreed with gender ideology. Her party in student government told her to leave their party. When she disagreed and wanted to rebut the criticism in the campus newspaper they would not print her rebuttal.

    A university that condemns PC intolerance holds far more credibility than a university that only condemns non-PC intolerance.

  • quackquack Park City, UT
    March 18, 2019 10:35 a.m.

    Both sides have extremists on both sides of the table I think most people fall in the middle but when you start hating a group whether is be left or right then you start becoming a extremest

  • cjf Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2019 10:11 a.m.

    @The Atheist
    "to be fair and accurate, leftist hate for traditional American values, including hatred expressed against Christianity is "exploding" on college campuses."

    Nonsense! That is not a true statement! That is hate filled propaganda.

    Open your eyes and see!
    ___________________

    I have opened my eyes and I see. I was a lifelong Democrat (40+ years) who just recently "left The Left" and embraced Conservative thought. The attacks on free speech on College campuses and the attacks on Conservatives was one of numerous things that completely changed a life-long devotion to Leftism for me.

  • A Man's Perspective Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2019 10:04 a.m.

    We should be far, far, more concerned about the rise of Progressives among the nation's colleges and universities. They are borderline Communist, and occupy over 90% of the faculty.

    Conservatives who simply want to express their views on campus (pro-life, limited government, free market principles, etc.), are constantly being shut down, dismissed, and in some cases violently opposed. Free speech does not even exist. This is far, far, far, more prevalent than whatever few "white supremacists" are.

  • quackquack Park City, UT
    March 18, 2019 9:34 a.m.

    I could of swore the right wingers even Fox news stated their was no such thing as racism...LOL

    Growing up we called these kids Straight Edgers allot of these Straight Edgers always want to jump or beat up kids who thought outside of the Straight Edge culture. What I find horrible wrong is many of these groups have to include violence. To me that's the same thing is the Jihad or ISIS a group of people to have a singular culture or train of thought that threatens violence to people who have different values from them.

  • Daedalus, Stephen Arvada, CO
    March 18, 2019 9:28 a.m.

    “White nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization — how did that language become offensive?”

    Republican Rep. Steve King, Jan. 10, 2019.

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2019 8:31 a.m.

    It is a mistake to use the label "white supremacists" or white nationalists". These guys are just a relatively few people with skewed thinking. Giving them a lot of media attention is 'scratching their itch'. There is/are better medical terms that should be used; but avoid over-advertising them is the best way to deal with them. In these cases, the media is not being helpful. Radical groups, however large or small, whatever their agenda, love to get media coverage. That is a lesson dating back to the 60's anti-war protests and other stunts.

  • EmmanuelGoldstein1984 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2019 7:39 a.m.

    @Tumbleweed -- You claim that there's "leftist hate for traditional American values, including hatred expressed against Christianity" and that it's "exploding" on college campuses. I've been a college professor for more than 40 years at three universities and have no idea what you're talking about.

    You also imply that leftists and white nationalists are equally contemptible. Surely you're joking, right?

  • NorCalCoug Shingle Springs, CA
    March 17, 2019 3:12 p.m.

    The South Poverty Law Center is not a legitimate source of information for any accurate news story.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    March 17, 2019 11:24 a.m.

    Racism is bad: I think just about everyone commenting here agrees on that premise. What bothers me is the lock-step, blind following of those who would rather promote a victim mentality than empower people to enjoy all the opportunities and challenges of life. We are rapidly becoming a citizenry that lacks resilience and is comfortable with the cold embrace of victimhood which makes no promise of success and invariably dooms us to mediocrity. Instead of recognizing all we could be, we instead focus on what we are, and what we deserve because of what we are.

    America and the citizens that comprise it are better than this. Instead of talking about what reparations are owed for past travesties, why aren't we looking more to the future and what we can be and how we can bless the lives of others? "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"-- a pretty nationalistic statement from a Democratic president.

  • Nile New York, NY
    March 17, 2019 10:28 a.m.

    White nationalism is a belief that white people deserve to have their own nation. It is the exact opposite of white christian globalism and white supremacy where white people are supposed to rule over non whites and convert them to christianity until the non whites accept rabbi Yeshua as their lord / Jews as the chosen people. If you denounce white nationalism you must also denounce Jewish nationalism or zionism. Oh wait that goes against your Neo Judaic religion of christianity. I see a double standard here.

  • Silflay Katy, TX
    March 17, 2019 6:42 a.m.

    Karen R. here.

    Given the complexities of human nature and the facts of American history, isn't it possible that sometimes it IS about:

    1) Privilege;
    2) Reverse bias;
    3) Being taught you're a victim, so that's the only way you can see things;
    4) Feeling entitled because things have always been designed with you in mind; and/or
    5) All, some, or none of the above?

    I just think we'd get somewhere more productive if, rather than defensiveness and/or victimhood, we started from the understanding that we're all biased and most of us mean no ill intent. So there's nothing to be ashamed of or defensive about because we aren't guilty of anything. Except being human beings. ALL of us. In that we are absolutely equal.

    If we start there, then IMO what we owe each other first is the benefit of the doubt, not accusations or derogatory conclusions about character. Even where bias is one of the culprits, it probably wasn't intentional, so let's cut each other some slack.

  • bassoonlady OREM, UT
    March 16, 2019 10:35 p.m.

    I agree with a previous poster that we should be more selective in the words we use to describe what we see.
    For example, white privilege. There are many whites who are disadvantaged and many blacks who are empowered. It seems like it has more to do with class and culture than with race. But instead of helping work toward a solution, the term becomes divisive.
    The same with the overuse of racism.
    When I lived in an apartment, the neighbor kids would play with my kids's bikes without asking and leave them in driveways where they could get run over. When I went to talk to the Mom, she just called me racist instead of listening to concerns. I learned I had to lock up my kids tricycle if I didn't want it to get run over, but I still remain shocked that race even came up in a conversation about tricycles.
    We have overused race so much that, as unacceptable as it is, we shouldn't be so surprised that the far right uses it in the opposite direction.
    We need to change the way we talk about this if we want to change the way we work together to solve the problem.
    Most importantly, we can't shut down free speech if we want problems to get solved.

  • The Real Maverick Spanish Fork, UT
    March 16, 2019 10:09 p.m.

    “I don’t think Tumbleweed is excusing in any way white supremacy. I think what Tumbleweed is trying to say is where is the Deseret News article decrying Antifa and other left wing hate groups? I live near Berkeley where this group thrives and gets away with anything.”

    BLM and ANTIFA aren’t shooting up mosques and synagogues. White supremacists are. The FBI recently reported a huge uptick of right wing terrorism. This is a problem that needs to be addressed. BLM and ANTIFA aren’t problems that need to be addressed because they aren’t terrorizing or killing people like the white supremacists are.

    There’s a lot of poor comments on this board. Pulling the “whataboutism” to excuse white supremacists and radical right wing terrorism is deplorable.

  • Evergreen2 Springville, UT
    March 16, 2019 9:56 p.m.

    Those on this board who are defending "nationalism" have good reason to. Pure nationalism is all about a healthy nation. But, that's not what this article is about. It's about "white nationalism" and "white supremacy", both of which are inherently racist as their titles indicate. Indeed, each of those is damaging to the health of a nation. Regardless, in this case, speech should be tolerated as free, unless it falls into the legal category of inciting to riot, directly promoting violence, etc.

  • one old man MSC, UT
    March 16, 2019 9:42 p.m.

    In 1961, I was in a civil rights march in Memphis. I have never seen anything so ugly nor been more frightened in my life.

    Now I'm very afraid that those ugly days are coming back and their return is being led by the man who should be leading in the right direction.

    He's not.

    Instead he's doing all he can to Make America A Great Disaster.

    It's sickening.

  • Light and Liberty St George, UT
    March 16, 2019 9:33 p.m.

    I read The Blaze to find articles of substance that report, analyze, and stand for the constitution, Christian values, and historical accuracy and the Deseret News for church related articles, human interest stories, sports, etc., (and quite enjoy those) but the one thing I do not read them for, nor trust them to do, is to report the news without bias. This article was pathetic! Never once would the Deseret News have written article with a headline such as, 'The Rise of Socialist thought from Obama's policies.' or a host of other possibilities. No, those just would not do, but someone puts up a message to make a point, it matters not what the point is, and we get a headline not only declaring 'The Rise of White Nationalism', but implies that the election of Donald Trump spurred that rise. Deseret News, you can do do better than this. I stand as neither a Democrat nor Republican, but as a hard working, Christian, family man that also happens to be an educator. I can't be fooled! I do not care for Political Correctness and absolutely will not listen, read, or be moved by ignorance, foolishness, or news reporters that won't let me chew my morsels all by myself!

  • Carbon Dioxide Eagle Mountain, UT
    March 16, 2019 9:08 p.m.

    "1) whites should have dominance over people of other backgrounds, especially where they may co-exist; 2) whites should live by themselves in a whites-only society; 3) white people have their own 'culture' that is superior to other cultures; 4) white people are genetically superior to other people."

    I don't see why number 2 is that big of a problem. I am for liberty and if a group of white, brown, black, and whatever else group there is want to live together on their own, why should anyone else care? If some white people want to live by themselves in their white only area and they are happy, we should be happy for them. If anything we should encourage it so they will isolated in their areas and leave everyone else alone. We should be for allowing more choices and not less. The other items listed are stupid and not based in any fact.

  • Frozen Fractals Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2019 9:05 p.m.

    @nancybLV
    "however the ones that are so concerned are they also concerned about BLM because all you hear about these days are how bad white people are"

    I'm not concerned about BLM. Mostly because I paid enough attention to know that they think all lives SHOULD matter but because of disparities in treatment, that isn't the case (which is why asserting that all lives matter frustrates them, because it ignores inequalities which still exist), so they are asserting that black lives matter too.

  • freedom1st Suwanee, GA
    March 16, 2019 8:26 p.m.

    All the founding fathers and all presidents except Obama were "nationalists". Being a nationalist is not the problem. Being racist is a big problem. Being socialist, where government controls everything and outcomes must be equal, is a big problem. The premise and title of this article are founded on hijacking and twisting the meaning of "nationalism". Don't let leftists hijack this word, "Nationalism":
    1. spirit or aspirations common to the whole of a nation.
    2. devotion and loyalty to one's own country; patriotism.
    America first. America can't help other countries if America is ruled by un-elected judicial tyrants and mostly bankrupt by misguided socialism. Also, a welfare state and open borders are a recipe for bankruptcy. Many presidents have invoked national emergency powers to protect other nations. Logically and legally, Trump can invoke national emergency powers to protect our nation! Trump is only doing his job to protect America from illegal drugs, human trafficking, crime, and welfare drain!

  • n8ive american Shelley, Idaho
    March 16, 2019 7:06 p.m.

    Here is the words of the shooter himself. I could care less for his name as I will not give him the glory he seeks.

    “For once, the person that will be called a fascist, is an actual fascist, I am sure the journalists will love that,” he wrote. “I mostly agree with Sir Oswald Mosley’s views and consider myself an eco-fascist. The nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People’s Republic of China.”

    How do people find right wing ideology from this? This is closer to left wing democratic communism ideology than anything else. Forced obedience. The shooter wanted to cause division. He did it. Look at how many papers ran with the white nationalist theory. The papers, again, create division.

  • GrainOfSalt Draper, UT
    March 16, 2019 6:59 p.m.

    @Utah Democrat. Being nationalistic is not the same as being racist. People of all ethnicities in the US have supported nationalistic ideals at one time or another. The term racist is used far too readily on anyone who disagrees with an opinion, policy or program that is deemed "inclusive" regardless its merits or consequences. While welcoming people from all nations, we also have a responsibility to preserve what is good in our language, culture and heritage without whitewashing the past. We are part of the greatest nation on the earth. Liberals and conservatives and everyine in between have a role in this, regardless of labels. (And we shouldn't be tearing fliers down just because we disagree with them. May the best ideas prevail!)

  • MaineMan1969 Hooper, UT
    March 16, 2019 6:40 p.m.

    There are 4140 college campuses in the US, that would be about than one “Flyer” at 10% of the college campuses in the US.
    Referencing the South Poverty Law Center which is extremely Left wing and supports a myriad of Civil Disturbance groups. They fired the longtime director Friday because of extreme bias and questionable activity, within the organization. They are the ones Publishing the Hate List when they themselves support the same type of groups on the other side of the ledger.
    There is no doubt that civil disobedience abounds with in the country, but who is qualified to judge and claim one is more moral than another. The first Amendment guarantees freedom of speech.
    BLM supporting groups and individuals literally sacked and pillaged, St Louis, Baltimore, and many other cities.

    Most people in this country support each other.
    There will always be hate, there will always be violence, there will also be kindness, peace, and caring for others.
    What we do is an individual choice and by example we change the hearts of others. Not by force, intimidation, or challenging individual choice.

  • nancybLV Saratoga Springs, UT
    March 16, 2019 6:25 p.m.

    I am not for any of this no matter what race you are....however the ones that are so concerned are they also concerned about BLM because all you hear about these days are how bad white people are........

  • Cedarite Cedar City, UT
    March 16, 2019 6:07 p.m.

    Utah has had a serious and sometimes militant white supremacy problem for a very long time, for instance, in the St. George area in the 90's. The only thing that has changed is that it has crawled out of the shadows and into the mainstream.

  • Pricklypear South Jordan, UT
    March 16, 2019 5:49 p.m.

    I’m truly disappointed in the comments on this board.
    The fact that nearly all the comments are defensive and dismissive of racism should also be a huge red flag.

  • wishiwaswrong Sandy, UT
    March 16, 2019 5:21 p.m.

    Ideas rise and fall on their own merit through debate and discussion. Not through the supression and censorship of tearing down fliers. Freedom of expression is an inalienable right. If your only response to a disagreeable idea is to suppress it, maybe you don't have much confidence in your own.

  • slcman SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 16, 2019 5:08 p.m.

    Amazing the number of "but liberals are bad too" posts here.

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    March 16, 2019 3:32 p.m.

    Are we taking about the color of someone’s skin? Or are we talking about a big segment of society that has been left behind? I think the root problem is opportunity. The left cry’s out for opportunity and they aren’t patriotic enough. The right calls out and they are racist. Somewhere buried in this quagmire is the very dangerous hate filled white nationalist. I’m sure that most white people do not want to be affiliated with the extreme right. I also feel that most of the left leaning are patriotic and spiritual people. It’s the extremes on both sides that need to mellow out. The president isn’t helping. We need all of the branches of government to work from the center. Opportunities will be abundant for all.

  • RichardB Murray, UT
    March 16, 2019 2:18 p.m.

    "We call things racism just to get attention. We reduce complicated problems to racism, not because it is racism, but because it works."

    --- Alfredo Gutierrez, political consultant, as quoted by Richard de Uriarte, The Phoenix Gazette, March 14, 1992

  • sashabill , CA
    March 16, 2019 1:54 p.m.

    Karen R, Yes I did hear or sense that in your comment, and gave it an up vote.

  • SGU84770 St. George, UT
    March 16, 2019 1:45 p.m.

    Apparently, it is an acceptable policy to disallow speech if somebody believes the speech may be "promoting a problematic ideology that could lead to something really dangerous". That policy, if equally applied to all groups, would be quite dangerous, would it not? Who is to decide what ideology is problematic? Who is to decide when the risk of leading to something bad is too great? Who is to decide what is really dangerous? For example, does the left really want to empower a state university to ban communist speakers, on the ground that the university believes that the communist ideology is "problematic" and could lead to something really dangerous?

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2019 1:40 p.m.

    The Extremes on Both sides are part of the problem!

    Most Americans want to be happy. Not sure why the media is fueling all this hate nonsense.

    Stop it!

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    March 16, 2019 1:16 p.m.

    @ sashabill

    I agree with your comment and gave it an up vote. To me, you and I are saying very similar things. I'm curious if you heard that in my comment (the one directed to "imsmarterthanyou" at 11:20 a.m.) or if you heard something else.

  • Max Upstate, NY
    March 16, 2019 12:13 p.m.

    @ The Great Helmsman

    Seriously!!! Your standard is that it is not hate until someone takes a gun and kills a bunch of innocent people?

  • sashabill , CA
    March 16, 2019 11:49 a.m.

    If we want to create "hate-free zones," one major "first step" will to create guilt-free zones. Nobody is inherently guilty because of their race, gender, ethnic background, or nationality. "White guilt," or inherent guilt applied to those of any race, ethnicity, or nationality, is little more than an updated, secularized "politically correct" version of Original Sin. I reject any such guilt, applied to anybody, for the simple reason that it does not exist.

  • omahahusker Modesto, CA
    March 16, 2019 11:42 a.m.

    Sometimes you learn more about the subject by the comments than a biased article written by the AP or it's affiliates. Since most journalists are left leaning, it's easy to spot the bias verses the facts. Sadly with what the left calls news offends a lot of decent hard working people. With this type of journalism, people will feel isolated, and when they offer an opinion, they are labeled racists.

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2019 11:41 a.m.

    @Max

    I must have missed it. Please tell me members of the Southern Poverty Law Center walked into a Christian church and shot 40 + folks?

  • Cowboy Poet Vernal, UT
    March 16, 2019 11:34 a.m.

    So, Mohan Sudabattula admits that he committed the crime of vandalism at the University of Utah when he removed posters without authorization?

    Was he arrested?

    Did he get expelled from the school?

    Was this evidence of a double standard?

  • oldbasketball Draper, UT
    March 16, 2019 11:27 a.m.

    These groups may be popping up in various areas because the liberal media tries to make people feel that white people in the United States of America are all racists and evil and they feel that this is the only they can respond.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    March 16, 2019 11:20 a.m.

    @ imsmarterthanyou

    "I'm not racist."

    Okay. Do you think you're biased? I ask because I think we as a society could make more headway on this issue if we stopped throwing around the racist label so easily and instead began speaking in those terms. Research shows that we're all biased; that we come hardwired that way. (Including political bias, by the way. It's estimated that genetics explains about 40% of where we fall politically, environment the rest.) Research also shows that culture further influences our biases, thus explaining, e.g., why race relations in Canadian culture aren't fraught with the baggage they are in the U.S.

    So is "biased" a label you can accept about yourself? IMO, if we could start from this evidence-based premise, we could free ourselves of a lot of the defensiveness and also make more room for forgiveness. How can we judge another for what we also naturally possess? Particularly when it isn't intentional. IMO, racism is a conscious, intentional thing.

    (Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that some of our history isn't racist. IMO, most of us freely acknowledge this, as do our laws. I'm talking in terms of people today.)

  • John Wilson Idaho Falls, 00
    March 16, 2019 11:06 a.m.

    I am in no way a supporter of white nationalism or superiority. I am a supporter of free speech. At the very first of the article the individual said they took down all of the posters. I can vehemently reject their message and at the same time support their right to put their posters on message boards. Simple matter of free speech. The individual had no right to take down the posters.

  • Independent Henderson, NV
    March 16, 2019 10:46 a.m.

    Okay, so we know that the Right goes too far when they start advocating white dominance and segregation. This much is obvious to the vast majority of us. Good. Now, when does the Left go too far? What are the limits? That’s what’s missing from the dialogue. That’s why the Right gets defensive at articles like this. It’s not because they agree with the white supremacists. They just don’t want the crimes on the right to be an excuse for crimes on the left. Rightists who go too far are easily identifiable and rightly shunned by most of society. Leftists who go too far are hip and appear on trendy T-shirts.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2019 10:32 a.m.

    White supremacists are race based. Leftist are not race based. This is a big difference. Socialism is economics based. Fascism is a social movement. The world is descending into fascism led by Donald Trump!

  • Utah Democrat Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2019 10:14 a.m.

    @Tumbleweed, no it isn't. Have you stepped foot on a college campus lately? In Utah, there's invariably an LDS institute across the street and dozens of Christian student organizations.

  • Utah Democrat Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2019 10:12 a.m.

    @eigerjoe globalism is not about rule by a single world government - it's about enabling the flow of people and ideas across borders to the greatest extent possible. Nationalistic ideas inherently segregate and divide based on some arbitrary boundary or trait and rely on supremacist ideology, that "I belong here and you don't." There's no way to escape the racist frame.

  • Karen R. Houston, TX
    March 16, 2019 10:10 a.m.

    March 16, 2019

    "...respect for one another's beliefs."

    When I hear this coming from believers and from college kids demanding safe spaces, I hear, "Just let me believe what I want in peace. Don't challenge me."

    IMO, people are owed respect, not beliefs. What is owed beliefs is critical assessment, if only to ensure that they don't lead to/enable harm. The nature of a belief shouldn't exempt it either. Be it religious, liberal, whatever - it must stand/fall on its actual merits, not its privileged place in the world.

    @ Mainly Me

    "Check Breitbart News for the facts..."

    Per Ben Shapiro (former Breitbart Editor-At-Large), Daily Wire, 8/17/16:

    "Under Bannon’s Leadership, Breitbart Openly Embraced The White Supremacist Alt-Right.
    Andrew Breitbart despised racism. Truly despised it...With Bannon embracing Trump, all that changed. Now Breitbart has become the alt-right go-to website, with Yiannopoulos pushing white ethno-nationalism as a legitimate response to political correctness, and the comment section turning into a cesspool for white supremacist mememakers."

    I agree with Ben Shapiro on some things. This is one of them.

  • eigerjoe Sandy, UT
    March 16, 2019 9:55 a.m.

    I completely reject white supremacy which is the belief that white people are superior to those of all other races, especially the black race, and should therefore dominate society.

    I also hate the way the liberal left associate’s supremacy with nationalism. They are not the same.

    In today's world of politics, Nationalism means each country is governed by the citizens of that country. Nationalism is the opposite of Globalism which means all countries are governed by a single global government (a worldwide government).

    Nationalism in America also means the interests of this country supersede the interests of other nations.

    Being white and being a nationalist is not the same as being a white supremacist and does not make one a racist.

  • BradJames Manti, UT
    March 16, 2019 9:45 a.m.

    I don't agree with what they're doing. (As I told my friends at dinner Friday, the far right and the far left are both evil in my estimation) but this is no more dangerous or foolhardy than the leftists shutting down the freeway or airport terminals so people cannot travel. The left created a lot of this mess and this is the push-back. This is still a free society for all. May it always be so.

  • RWOFVA RIVERTON, UT
    March 16, 2019 9:34 a.m.

    The best thing that can happen to a hateful group or person is for the media to give attention to them. When will US media decide to not say the names of these killers. Stop digging into their life stories. Stop sharing points from their crazed manifestos. Instead tell us about the beautiful lives that were lost. Theirs should be the names we remember.

  • MGoodwin Murray/USA, UT
    March 16, 2019 9:32 a.m.

    Well, when you accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being a white supremacist, what are you supposed to do if actual ones start showing up? A fine question for the SPLC and ADL. Actually we're at the nexus of quite a few problems at the moment that people seem not to understand. First you have had all the other racial identity and racial nationalist groups acting very in the open for a while, and anyone who disagrees with them was blanket labeled white supremacists. Then society decided that we simply didn't want to deal with them and we pushed them out at the whim of any accusation. So we now we have an ever growing group of societal exiles who we've pretty much stripped of work and the ability to interact with much of society, and we're suddenly surprised when bad people start recruiting from this ever increasing pool. “I know, let's ban everyone from society that's even remotely connected, declare even more people to be part of this group, that's the surefire way to succeed!" Because historically that's worked great for everyone who tries it, driving the beasts to the darkness just means they're that much harder to see when they're about to pounce.

  • Max Upstate, NY
    March 16, 2019 9:29 a.m.

    I agree with Third Try Screen Name. The Southern Poverty Law Center is an extremist hate group of the third order. Anything to do with traditional family and religious life is labeled by them as hate. Anything they disagree with is labeled as hate. That anybody would take them seriously is fascinating.

  • Dart Thrower Ogden, UT
    March 16, 2019 9:19 a.m.

    I think I found the problem in another comment post:

    "Check Breitbart News for the facts"

  • JaneB Wilsonville, OR
    March 16, 2019 9:08 a.m.

    Hmm... this article was about the rise of white nationalism, not the problem of leftist ideology on college campuses....

  • David Centerville, UT
    March 16, 2019 9:07 a.m.

    The Gospel of Jesus Christ teaches that all people, of all colors and nations, are children of God. As we humbly come to recognize our true relationship to God, and as we come to better know God's true character (that of love, mercy, power, and so much more), we will be filled with love for all people. We view others in their true nature--a beloved child of God.

    For those individuals (and I use the term "individuals" very deliberately) that believe one nation of group of people are better than others, they simply do not understand the true character of God, and they do not truly accept the teachings of Christ. Nor do they understand and accept the truth that we are all children of God.

    For this reason, the teaching of religious truths will have the greatest impact towards peace than anything else. Embracing true faith will solve more problems than any other effort, because the embrace of true faith and understanding will result in acts of love, charity, and service towards all people throughout the world.

    The false doctrine that one person is better than another is pure evil.

  • pragmatistferlife Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2019 8:52 a.m.

    So to righties when I believe a person should be able to marry whom they love, and health care should be available to all, and we humans do influence the deterioration of our environment..somehow I"hate' traditional values.

    When I point out that religious folks "often" don't believe in the science of human origin, the science of human/fetus development, the science of human sexuality, the science of environmental change.....I "hate" religion.

    There are thin lines sometimes in rhetoric and beliefs. To believe that a person with same sex attractions is less than normal is your right, and to say so is free speech, but to deny them their civil rights is bigotry, and needs to be called out as such.

    The difference between labeling all disagreements as "hate", and calling out the unlawful and immoral iteration of differences in belief is massive, and the right is not on the right side of that equation.

  • Daedalus, Stephen Arvada, CO
    March 16, 2019 8:50 a.m.

    Such profoundly flawed people insisting on the supremacy of their race or religion is an oxymoron.

  • Daedalus, Stephen Arvada, CO
    March 16, 2019 8:30 a.m.

    Busy morning for the apologists.

  • Third try screen name Mapleton, UT
    March 16, 2019 8:29 a.m.

    @slackoff and Tumbleweed

    It is more than just activists for the left on campus being "in your face." Liberalism is institutionalized, even in state-owned universities.

    Let's say you believe in marriage between a man and a woman, a not-so-strange belief for the last few millennia. And yet you have succeeded in business and done charitable work globally, sufficient to entice the university to bestow an honorary degree in humane letters.

    But activists cannot abide such a move and call for her to resign from one of the charitable groups she works with.

    And the University of Utah goes along with the demands and modifies its selection process to weed out those evil, traditional family folks.

    For the record, the SPLC, mentioned in the article here, is the go-to expert on what constitutes a hate group and where they are active. They identified World Congress of Families a hate group, which started this whole mess.

    Who are the real haters here?

    This is not theoretical. This really happened at the U in 2016.

    This push-back is no surprise. Nor is its extremism.

  • screenname Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2019 8:24 a.m.

    This article itself is propaganda. Taking a quote from Donald Trump, literally taking it out of context and changing the focus of his tweet from illegal immigration to simply immigration in an effort to paint everyone who wants to curb illegal immigration as racist is absolutely deplorable. It never should have made it past the editor's desk.

  • ca_jon Crockett, CA
    March 16, 2019 8:23 a.m.

    I don’t think Tumbleweed is excusing in any way white supremacy. I think what Tumbleweed is trying to say is where is the Deseret News article decrying Antifa and other left wing hate groups? I live near Berkeley where this group thrives and gets away with anything.

    I didn’t read this article to learn about white supremacy hate. I can spot it myself and shun it. I was Just curious how long it would take for this paper to mention Trump as the cause. And of course there it was. Where were the articles about Obama inciting division based on race. He did it from the getgo. Anyone honest with themselves would know that the president is trying his hardest to protect us from the worst that comes from other countries. Not everyone, just those that would do us harm. Is that white supremacy and racism? I think not.

  • stevo123 Driggs, ID
    March 16, 2019 8:00 a.m.

    From the looks of many of the below posts, white nationalism and its supporters have fun root in Utah. Shame

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2019 7:36 a.m.

    Newton's law. "for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction" applies to humans, too, it seems. At least for the 'natural man'. Tumbleweeds makes a very good point for people to rethink their agenda which is urged by those seeking power. The really Christian approach using the Golden Rule ( which is echo-ed in every religion ) promotes the use of reason and kindly inspiration to solve issues acceptable to all.

  • imsmarterthanyou Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2019 7:24 a.m.

    I'm not racist. I am white. I am proud of my heritage and I celebrate it. I cringe every time I see Martin Lawrence, or any other black or brown "entertainer" make racist comments in movies, television, and at public events. Whitey this and that. It's never ending and they are never called on their racist comments. It's perfectly fine for people of color to be racist against white people. No one ever says anything about that. But let one white person say they want to have "white history month" to give equal celebration along with "Black history month" and many other cultural celebrations for people of color, that white person is labeled a racist and ridiculed.
    So if you are offended by my celebration of my heritage, you are welcome to try and stop me while you spit your racist comments at me.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    March 16, 2019 5:44 a.m.

    Within the 1500 page manifesto that the New Zealand shooter wrote, he stated that the ideology that was closest to his own, was Communist China. Check Breitbart News for the facts and details on the Manifesto

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 16, 2019 5:06 a.m.

    Remember the golden, .. love your neighbor as yourself.

    If I had to guess why there different kinds of people, I would guess so our learning of the golden rule, should we choose to embrace it, would be deep, not shallow.

  • Nichol Draper West Jordan, UT
    March 16, 2019 3:50 a.m.

    When a guy in New Zealand who writes a manifesto hating conservatives and claims to be killing people to cause divisiveness. And then for the Deseret news to print a picture of White Supremacists from years ago and then say that conservatives, white supremacists and this guy in New Zealand are all related is gross incompetence. I assume that you are trolling for comments because your subscriptions are down. Being conservative has nothing to do with skin color. A guy who hates Muslims in New Zealand has nothing to do with Americans. And ideologies that you may not like being printed for discussion on college campuses that don't specifically call out racist ideas maybe are or maybe are not linked to white supremacist, but just because you don't like them doesn't created the link. Again this is a lazy article. If I had a subscription I would ask to cancel it.

  • The Great Helmsman Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2019 3:15 a.m.

    This is a hoot. Yesterday I said white Nationalism was spreading. That’s all I said. And the DN editors denied my comment. Now today, this.

  • The Atheist Provo, UT
    March 16, 2019 2:43 a.m.

    "to be fair and accurate, leftist hate for traditional American values, including hatred expressed against Christianity is "exploding" on college campuses."

    Nonsense! That is not a true statement! That is hate filled propaganda.

    Open your eyes and see!

  • utahute69 Laguna Niguel, CA
    March 16, 2019 2:13 a.m.

    It is amazing how the liberal, far left can run virtually every campus and crush free speech by defining others with different opinions as evil and dangerous. Does the liberal left speakers and student organizations require special protection from campus police in order to peacefully meet to promote their ideologies? No, because the entire power structure including the campus police are in place to make certain the liberal left has the full right to free speech. I noticed with interest that conservative groups at Utah and like many other universities such as Cal Berkley, are having their freedom of speech squashed by the liberal left and in many instances with violence. Yet there doesn't seem to be any concerns for free speech especially if you are showing any support for making America great again. Perhaps these, so called, white nationalist are campus conservatives that have decided to fight against the far left on campuses and join together as a source of strength and protection from those leftwing students and facility that want's to eliminate them from campus life.

  • slackoff green river, WY
    March 16, 2019 1:05 a.m.

    Tumbleweed:
    Your post is right on. One group may be quietly advertising (its doing this on campuses across USA), the other is unabashedly in your face.

  • azgaut Evans, GA
    March 16, 2019 12:56 a.m.

    It would be helpful if this opinion article also addressed the extremism on college campuses. Free enterprise is being demonized. What has in the past been considered patriotic, love of country is called being called extreme. Free speech and diversity of opinion on campuses is being muzzled. Traditional heroes of American history are being villainized by the context and conditions of present times rather than the context and conditions of the times they lived in. The left paints anyone that does not prescribe to their views as evil and distorts any arguments against leftest views. Extremism begets extremism. The first defense against white nationalism on campuses is to moderate the extreme left wing views on college campuses.

  • Rogue4 Hagerstown, MD
    March 16, 2019 12:43 a.m.

    I agree with Tumbleweed and I abhor the bigotry and narrow minded views of anyone part of a White Nationalist group but on the same token when I see the hypocrisy of the media, Hollywood and the liberal left basing white male conservatives I see just how narrow minded they are as well. Quite possibly they are breeding some of this hate of the White Nationalist with their blame of Trump, Conservatives and white males in general for just about any social issue in this country. You name it and they most likely are getting blamed for it. I don't believe that any of these groups will ever have any interest in civil debate as they are so immobilized by the stories they keep telling themselves and others.

  • Solutions not Stones Mapleton, UT
    March 16, 2019 12:08 a.m.

    Let us shun these groups!

    Let us also shun anything that reenforces division...a partial list:

    Neo Nazis
    Black lives matter
    supremacists
    International day
    history month
    The caucus
    La raca
    Etc...

    We can celebrate peoples without creating more division. Sadly, only when we do this will there be peace.

  • Sportsfan123 Herriman, UT
    March 15, 2019 11:37 p.m.

    I think hate begats hate, all we hear from the left is secularism, white privilege and hate groups like antifa and BLK.

    The propaganda spewed by leftist's have spurned a response from the alternate side of the hate spectrum.

    The intolerant left of religious groups and conservative values will naturally create diviciveness, it was only a matter of time before the alt right retaliates.

    These are the current dynamics of american culture created in the last 10 years.

    Thanks barry soetoro.

  • Jim Chee Lahaina, HI
    March 15, 2019 11:18 p.m.

    Tumbleweed - Centerville, UT
    March 15, 2019 10:02 p.m.

    " . . . White Nationalism may be "creeping" onto college campuses, but, to be fair and accurate, leftist hate for traditional American values, including hatred expressed against Christianity . . . "

    Is this an excuse for the rise of white nationalism and the xenophobia that it propagates? It certainly sounds like a diversion and distraction from the subject, "Hey, that may be, but look over here." The numbers of people killed and injured by domestic, fringe Right-Wing neo-Nazi's and white nationalists in this country is orders of magnitude beyond anything one finds from immigrant criminal elements and Islamic terrorists. Domestic terrorism directed at Jewish people, immigrants, and people of color because they don't fit in with the white nationalist concept of the United States is the issue.

    We can discuss the perceptions suggested in this comment at a later time, but the need to combat the evils of white nationalism and its racist forebears needs to be understood and bring the full weight of the United States Department of Justice and Department of Homeland Security to fight it. It is the dirty truth of American history.

  • hobblecreek CA, 00
    March 15, 2019 11:17 p.m.

    There is no hatred towards American values by any American political entity. There is just false narratives being used as propoganda to incite hate towards people of a different political party to create discord and to weaken American society and democracy.

  • Blake19868976 Las Vegas, NV
    March 15, 2019 11:12 p.m.

    If your first instinct in reading this article is to get defensive...

  • JamesD Salem, UT
    March 15, 2019 11:08 p.m.

    The way that this is being framed is that white supremacy is exploding in popularity but ask yourself if you personally have witnessed it. Just because more fliers and groups are popping up doesn't mean that tons of people are joining.

    The media keeps shining a focal light on white supremacy/nationalists. To be sure, racism and nationalistic egoism exist but it's being blown way out of proportion. I'm ethnic. I've witnessed prejudice. But it is extremely rare. What is worth shining the focal light on is the increasing number of youth being indoctrinated by post-modern/violent/hateful/Marxist ideologies on college campuses. I personally know many of these people. The past century have over a hundred million bodies and billions more enslaved to prove how cancerous that ideology is. Let's focus on the greater threat here.

    Also, the Southern Poverty Law Center has no credibility. They don't consider violent left-wing groups (e.g. Antifa) to be a hate group. Convenient that hate can only come from one direction...

  • cthulhu_fhtagn Seattle, WA
    March 15, 2019 11:05 p.m.

    Thank you, tumbleweed. If there's anything white nationalism needs, it's someone to play devil's advocate for it.

  • Tumbleweed Centerville, UT
    March 15, 2019 10:02 p.m.

    White Nationalism may be "creeping" onto college campuses, but, to be fair and accurate, leftist hate for traditional American values, including hatred expressed against Christianity is "exploding" on college campuses. Hatred on either end of the political spectrum needs to be replaced with civil debate and respect for one another's beliefs.