BYU shut out of NIT, decides to end its season

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  • LadyMoon Pittsburgh, PA
    March 20, 2019 11:11 p.m.

    Mediocrity should never be rewarded. They deserve what they got: Nothing. That’s all BYU is.

  • CoHawk Littleton, CO
    March 19, 2019 8:36 p.m.

    All the BYU fans supporting the status quo were the same ones who supported Tanner as the starting QB. Good guy, but not a good QB. Sitake took the questions and on field performance and finally gave Wilson his shot because his job was on the line. Look at how all the complaining fans look now!! Grimes and Sitake should have started Wilson from the beginning. Record of 9-4 would have probably resulted. Well, at least we have Wilson and Hall now. They are bonafide D-1 All Americans. I give Grimes and Sitake credit for making the change and I think they are headed in the right direction. Indy is the say to go for the time being. Holmoe made the right call on that one, but he is killing his prospects with the Rose/bb issues. Take our lead and clean house on this bb program and go for a rebuild and new direction or the noise will just get louder. Tired of watching the bb non-sense.

  • Jayson Meline Chubbuck, ID
    March 19, 2019 4:15 p.m.


    "You post is pretty whimsical. I'm so glad BYU is not politically correct."

    I am a proud supporter and received a fantastic education at BYU. I support the school's mission and a Christlike application of the honor code.

    What I was stating is the reality I see of today's collegiate athletic landscape; and the challenges that BYU basketball and football face to be competitive, relevant, and successful while representing the university and its sponsoring faith.

    In no way was I suggesting a compromise in standards for the sake of athletics with my views.

    I look forward to the next basketball season and what they can do in the fall with football.

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 19, 2019 1:27 p.m.

    @daver - , 00
    March 19, 2019 12:19 p.m.

    "Travis Hansen is the best prospect for BYU Men's BB Coach!!!"

    Great player with absolutely no coaching experience. Next.

  • daver , 00
    March 19, 2019 12:19 p.m.

    Travis Hansen is the best prospect for BYU Men's BB Coach!!!

  • daver , 00
    March 19, 2019 11:59 a.m.

    After U San Diego debacle, the likelihood this team could help itself with further play was...well... not high. Watching a team with an upward trajectory (like Women's BB), is a better payoff for sacrificing two hours of precious time. All I ask, win or lose, for any of my teams, is good ball - I wanna be inspired; I expect a display of competence, individually and collectively. It's no different than going to a ballet or a concert. I expect the performers to look like they can handle - and exceed - the expectations.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    March 19, 2019 11:31 a.m.

    poyman - Draper, UT
    March 18, 2019 11:35 p.m.

    "...Sign this guy through retirement, PLEASE!"


    Interesting comment from a fan of a team that Rose's teams routinely kick year in and year out and often by double digits.

    Lucky for the utes that they don't play in the WCC.



    He's 4-3 vs Coach Krystkowiak.

    Did he have to forfeit any of those wins as part of the 48 games he had to forfeit for cheating?

  • LDSAZ Casa Grande, AZ
    March 19, 2019 11:06 a.m.

    Jayson Meline

    You post is pretty whimsical. I'm so glad BYU is not politically correct. I'm so glad that they are above par on so many meaningful levels as other teams we see. I'm so glad that the players go on to become great citizens of this great country; taking with them the values they lived as college students. I'm so glad to them in athletic as well as other pursuits that are important to them. Occasionally, person faults surface. But BYU fans can be proud that so many continue to be great after college. I don't watch many sports after college, because professional players are difficult to see physically and behaviorally. Eternal families, and representing Jesus Christ is a worthy goal, and the politically correct path isn't the way, truth, and light.

    Go Cougs!

  • poyman Draper, UT
    March 18, 2019 11:35 p.m.


    "...Sign this guy through retirement, PLEASE!"


    Interesting comment from a fan of a team that Rose's teams routinely kick year in and year out and often by double digits.

    Lucky for the utes that they don't play in the WCC.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 18, 2019 8:57 p.m.

    “Someone get a backbone and fire this guy.”

    Noooo, he’s BEAUTIFUL, particularly in indy football!

    Sign this guy through retirement, PLEASE!

    Go Utes!

  • jimmer65 el dorado hills, ca
    March 18, 2019 8:15 p.m.

    Tom Holmoe has decimated BYU Sports. Now our football and basketball teams are performing nearly as poorly as Holmoe-coached Cal football teams .... Someone get a backbone and fire this guy.

  • Jayson Meline Chubbuck, ID
    March 18, 2019 6:10 p.m.


    I can see your point depending on the year, how good the competition turns out to be given how far in-advance games are scheduled.

    BYU in 2018 played 5 P-5 Programs and 3 Solid teams in Boise State, Utah State, and Northern Illinois.
    2019 4 P-5 Programs and perhaps 2 solid teams in South Florida, Utah State
    2020 6 P-5 Programs and perhaps 5 solid teams in Utah State, Houston, NIU, Boise State, San Diego State.
    2021 7 P-5 Programs and perhaps 3 solid teams in South Florida, Utah State, Boise State

    BYU is also traveling to a larger geographical area than they otherwise could if locked into a Mountain West schedule.

    Where BYU could consider alignment is the American Athletic Conference. They already have played and scheduled a few schools in that conference. Maybe as a tryout to be a member?

    This would give them more national exposure against solid competition (Houston, South Florida, Central Florida. Downside, a lot of travel as they would be the most western team. Not sure how open to accommodating non-Sunday schedules.

    One thing: BYU fans need to have more realistic expectations. Not a strong suit in Provo.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2019 4:51 p.m.

    Jayson Meline - Chubbuck, ID" BYU back to the Mtn West understanding Power 5 scheduling to increase national standing will have to be sacrificed."

    Not really.

    The 2017 schedule included 4 P5 schools and 6 MWC schools. Swap out UMass and E.Carolina for 2 other MWC schools and you have a MWC schedule while retaining any "national standing" you think independence has.

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    March 18, 2019 4:31 p.m.

    BYU should have been in the NIT—despite the team’s flaws, they’re still as good as half the teams that were invited. They might not have merited two home games (which they might well have won), but it wouldn’t have been a good business decision to invite BYU and then not want the Marriott Center as a venue. Better just to leave them out.

  • Oh Really? Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2019 4:17 p.m.

    Is anyone at BYU embarrassed? Rose? Holmoe? The Administration? Or do their paychecks sooth the pain and sear their consciences?

  • Jayson Meline Chubbuck, ID
    March 18, 2019 2:38 p.m.

    There are realities BYU fans are not willing to accept.

    Opting for the WCC had to do with Sunday scheduling. The WCC, with larger faith based membership, is more willing to accommodate BYU while other conferences increase Sunday events.

    BYU is a politically incorrect school in terms of the honor code and faith based mission. By nearly every metric in terms of capacity, national brand, academic standing, competitive programs; BYU is on par with many Big 12 and Pac 12 schools. But BYU offends the definition of diversity of the greater collegiate world today. But the effort was made to align with those conferences who declined to invite BYU.

    The only way BYU could get the type of football schedule it has with media contracts was to go independent in football. If BYU fans want to go back to matchups of the WAC as opposed to playing Power 5 schools, its back to the Mtn West, or try to join the American Athletic understanding Power 5 scheduling to increase national standing will have to be sacrificed.

    Rose and Holmoe may be reaching the end, but new coaches and an AD are still going to have to deal with externalities and climate many BYU fans just won't realistically accept.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    March 18, 2019 2:06 p.m.

    @skywalker - Palo Alto, CA

    Evidently for some, it's far to soon after a bitter season to discuss/debate whether or not the conference scheduling changes had a positive or any kind of impact.

    But I am sure that the topic will be written about in the very near future on this site.

  • tothemoon Centerville, UT
    March 18, 2019 1:34 p.m.

    A few have commented on this but Tom Holmoe needs to go, pretty obvious at this point. Not holding an AD accountable but firing the coaches is like firing an assistant manager repeatedly while keeping the Store Manager. At some point the top dog is to blame.

  • TexInUT Midvale, UT
    March 18, 2019 12:48 p.m.

    Coach Rose is going to be in the hot seat next year and every move scrutinized. An NIT bid is a must for him to continue on at BYU (and that might not save him). Sadly, there should be one other person be in that same hot seat with Rose: Athletic Director Tom Holmoe.

    The sports program overall has been hurt under the helm of Holmore. BYU should have taken all of its programs to a major conference instead of leaving the Mountain West, having the football team go independent and nearly everyone else going to the WCC. Had we found a way into a major conference, more talent would be interested in coming to Provo.

    Yes, soccer, volleyball and softball have done well (along with a few other sports), but your major sports (the ones that bring in national eyeballs and money) have taken hits. Football and basketball bring in talented student recruits. It can have a nice side effect of bringing good attention to the university and that brings in talented students outside of the athletic department.

    Independence / WCC membership has hurt BYU. Put A.D. Holmoe in the hot seat with Rose. Also, maybe some other administrators should share that seat for past bad decisions.

    March 18, 2019 12:11 p.m.

    After a tough season a long vacation has to feel good for Rose and company. Rose received a raise and an extension so the off season will be stress free. The program keeps themselves pretty insulated from comment boards and social media.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    March 18, 2019 12:04 p.m.

    BYU was left out of the NIT and the future looks very bleak. BYU's recruiting has gone down and there is no real future for the program. Even the the WCC, the teams are getting better while BYU has been having a very bad recruiting year. I doubt that this will be the last time during Dave Rose's tenure that BYU will be left out of any post-season tournaments. I believe that all sports programs have been degraded since the decision to go independent in football. Tom Holmoe will have to accept the responsibility for this decline and quit blaming coaches. Bronco Mendenhall left BYU because he could see this coming.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 18, 2019 11:35 a.m.

    THEREALND - Mishawaka, IN
    March 18, 2019 10:07 a.m.
    @Jello is Good - ,
    March 18, 2019 9:15 a.m.

    "Yes. Gonzaga got a #1 seed. Thanks for asking."

    Gonzaga didn't need a restructuring of the league tournament or conference schedule to get a #1 seed. My proof is that they have gotten a #1 seed twice before.

    My opinion, the scheduling changes accomplished nothing. It doesn't look like the WCC will be competing with the ACC anytime soon with 7 teams in the tournament and three #1 seeds.


    Why would a BYU hater like you care?

    The most immediate improvement was quelling all talk of Gonzaga joining the MWC.

    Long term, it will be the difference between a bubble WCC team getting an at-large bid.

  • tinplater scottsdale, AZ
    March 18, 2019 11:13 a.m.

    What a mess are BYU's major sports programs. With Aggie football and basketball on a completely different end of the spectrum, the chances for successful in state recruiting has jumped significantly. The direction BYU took with basketball and football conference alignments has been a disaster and it is the athletes and students who pay the price for this inept administration and coaching.

  • Jayson Meline Chubbuck, ID
    March 18, 2019 10:54 a.m.

    Sometimes perspective is needed.

    Too many forget 1996 when Reid was let go due to attendance, key players not completing their eligibility or transferring. The situation was worse than the outcome of this season.

    The Y is struggling in an age of disruption for college basketball.

    Institutional control on what players do outside of the program with their families, boosters, and handlers regarding pro ball is ever more difficult to manage.

    Recruitment of international players is a great start. Rose acknowledged not too long ago the Y has attempted to recruit foreign players; but has run into gray areas with eligibility which could be an indication the program needs to learn from Gonzaga and St. Mary's.

    There are quality JUCO players who mature with D-1 talent; not going pro, willing to abide by the Honor Code that can play in systems conducive to 20 win seasons and NCAA tourney bids.

    The Y needs to adapt to 1 and done, and 2 year eligibility to build and maintain its rosters irrespective of managing missions.

    Rose knows the seat is hot next year. Let's see if he and Holmoe can adapt to change. With or without them, it is a rebuild just like football.

  • Wise-sage Pleasant Grove, UT
    March 18, 2019 10:28 a.m.

    The WCC is a coaching conference, in other words the coaches have to develop a plan how to create higher percentage shots. That's why in every WCC game BYU are or will be out coached. In every game or in other words, Rose is a terrible coach.

  • Lester L. Wester Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2019 10:25 a.m.

    Left out? One should be first worthy of inclusion before they can be "left out." The only team in Utah worthy of post-season play was invited.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    March 18, 2019 10:07 a.m.

    @Jello is Good - ,
    March 18, 2019 9:15 a.m.

    "Yes. Gonzaga got a #1 seed. Thanks for asking."

    Gonzaga didn't need a restructuring of the league tournament or conference schedule to get a #1 seed. My proof is that they have gotten a #1 seed twice before.

    My opinion, the scheduling changes accomplished nothing. It doesn't look like the WCC will be competing with the ACC anytime soon with 7 teams in the tournament and three #1 seeds.

  • Allen C Christensen American Fork, UT
    March 18, 2019 10:05 a.m.

    I have enjoyed watching the BYU women's basketball team. They have lots of hustle and drive and they play together and don't give up when they are down 13 points in the third quarter. I hope they do well in the NCAA tournament. They are a young team and their coach is a very savvy fellow. He knows how and when and where to make adjustments-bless him!

    Meanwhile on other fronts, we can watch volleyball and baseball and softball and read the contest of comments between BYU and Utah fans about the upcoming football season, and still be entertained while avoiding the serious conversations of what a university education should be all about.

  • Y>U Anaheim, CA
    March 18, 2019 9:53 a.m.

    Tomahawk Red

    "10-7, owned?"


    "Yep you had a winning record but how many of those wins were against good Pac teams?"

    Don't kid yourself.

    If the record has been reversed, you couldn't have cared less how many of those wins came against good WCC teams, especially, on the road.

  • Y>U Anaheim, CA
    March 18, 2019 9:45 a.m.

    “Down under - "It looks like we all agree the BYU ended the season poorly but even with that they still owned the rest of the state.”

    BJMoose - "December 1st Weber State 113, BYU 103. You have a short memory."

    November 9th - BYU 75, UVU 65
    December 5th - BYU 95, USU 80
    December 8th - BYU 79, Utah 59

    You have an even shorter term memory.

    It's too bad that the Utes are too scared to play in Logan or in Ogden anymore.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    March 18, 2019 9:38 a.m.

    The Total meltdown of the Mens Basketball team this year is in fact a direct result of Coach Rose ...Nick Emery's NCAA Violations which gave the Y the Biggest Black Eye Ever to any of their Sports Programs or the School happened under his watch but yet Emery was allowed to return ...Rose recruits Guard Heavy EVERY year which shows a Fatal Flaw in recruiting ! He refuses to get out of the State of Utah to Recruit... His Coaching staff looks like something out of most Utah High Schools...and he in fact has a problem with Coach Player connection which has been shown lately with Quality players constantly leaving ...Rose nor anyone on this current coaching staff has any proven ability to Coach and Teach the Big's so what does Rose do, He brings on Worthington as a Grad Assist. next year... Fatal Flaw !
    Holmoe,are you out there ? Anywhere ??

  • Jello is Good ,
    March 18, 2019 9:15 a.m.

    @THEREALND - Mishawaka, IN
    March 18, 2019 4:46 a.m.

    "How did the WCC scheduling changes work out? Did the changes accomplish the goals as intended in the first season since they were implemented?"

    Yes. Gonzaga got a #1 seed. Thanks for asking.

  • mnsave Rigby, ID
    March 18, 2019 9:08 a.m.

    @ iknow - Ogden, UT,

    Bland Fowler, ARE YOU KIDDING ME! He didn't even play college basketball. His only comment is "he squared up".

  • BJMoose Syracuse, UT
    March 18, 2019 8:56 a.m.

    “Down under - Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2019 11:16 p.m.
    It looks like we all agree the BYU ended the season poorly but even with that they still owned the rest of the state.”

    December 1st Weber State 113, BYU 103. You have a short memory.

  • Stenodude7174 , 00
    March 18, 2019 8:54 a.m.

    It's hard to see anything but mediocrity in the Y program going forward without major changes . . and I have no idea what changes those would be. They may still occasionally stumble onto a talented enough roster to make a one-and-done NCAA tournament appearance, but that's about it.

    Honestly . . can anyone tell me the ceiling for this program isn't "pretty good, sometimes"?

  • CodyCougar Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2019 8:51 a.m.

    An ignominious end to the season.

    But count me as one who sees Yoeli as staying for his senior year. He's seen what happens when guys leave the team early, and he's too smart to to go play in some third tier European league for $45k a season. His degree is worth more than that, and his popularity will never be greater than if he stays in school.

  • Geeeez Idaho Falls, ID
    March 18, 2019 8:52 a.m.

    With the extension BYU gave Rose before the season, I see Rose continuing to be the coach for the foreseeable future unless he decides to resign/retire. BYU made a mistake and will have to live with it for awhile.

  • CoHawk Littleton, CO
    March 18, 2019 8:34 a.m.

    Can someone name a coach on the BYU staff who can make Childs a better player? That why he should leave. Mika came to the same conclusion.

    On the bright side for Rose and his program, Luke Worthington will be on the sidelines coaching this team next year. Think of the top recruits who will wants to come play for him! Roses coaching staff is loaded. Everyone of the coaches has ........ only coached at the college level under Rose!!

    This staff shouldn’t have any problem getting players who are too 100 and they may have to turn away some great players because they don’t have enough room on the roster ...... Losing the o e scholly because of the NCAA infractions won’t keep this staff and program down.

  • BYU Gamer Pleasant Grove, UT
    March 18, 2019 8:29 a.m.

    This should be a good reset and not an overhaul because I believe BYU has good players and good coaches. They should take a close look at Utah State, a team that they beat early on. Utah State has a 1st year coach and the team was picked 9th in the conference. They have one great player in Merrill. The rest are players that they developed and are still developing. They got better game by game, and their fan base grew game by game too. For BYU to succeed next year they will have to do something different with the way they approach how they play. That's a question that each coach and each player has to address. I still plan on having season tickets and I would like to see a turnaround, including a full house by the end of the year.

  • Tomahawk Red Miami Beach, FL
    March 18, 2019 8:25 a.m.

    Down under - Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2019 11:16 p.m.

    The WCC owned the pac this year


    10-7, owned?


    Yep you had a winning record but how many of those wins were against good Pac teams?

    vs Oregon State 0-1
    vs Oregon 0-1
    vs Colorado 1-1
    vs Washington 1-2
    vs WSU 2-0
    vs Cal 2-1
    vs Stanford 1-0
    vs USC 1-0
    vs UCLA 0-1
    vs Utah 1-0
    vs Arizona 1-0
    vs ASU 0-0 (would've been a surefire loss if the game w SF wasn't postponed)

    Congrats on the win, but try to keep it realistic.

  • iknow Ogden, UT
    March 18, 2019 8:22 a.m.

    Tom Holmoe needs to fire both himself and coach Rose.
    KSL Needs to fire Dave Mccants and
    BYUTV needs to fire Greg Wrubbel and everyone covering their basketball games (except Blaine Fowler - who is excellently qualified). Most of that “exclusive club” is more ego and self pride than an LDS team should be represented by. GO COUGARS!!

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    March 18, 2019 8:23 a.m.

    Losing builds character. So Navy Seal thinking "good", no postseason. Now make adjustments. And do it right of way. Next season starts now.

  • portlander Arlington, WA
    March 18, 2019 8:15 a.m.

    @Well.... - Phoenix, AZ, speaking of Yoeli Childs you said, "he'd seriously benefit from a senior year in the program". However, there is no one on the coaching staff to teach him anything that would help to make him better. There's no incentive for him to stay and every incentive for him to go. So, it's good-bye to YC.

    Now, the popular and formerly successful Washington State Coach, Ernie Kent has been let go. And before he shows up at some other WCC school, BYU should be in talks with him right now. At least there'd be a chance of him returning to his former Oregon glory at the 'Y'.

  • BlueHusky Saratoga Springs, UT
    March 18, 2019 8:07 a.m.

    Hard to argue that it is probably time for Dave to retire. But I don't blame this season on Rose. BYU's best players have been leaving early. We know who they are. Jump to the pros, wind up in China or Europe.

    Secondly, I think the bye system is a mistake. Even Gonzaga lost a game there. BYU had 20 min of prep before the game. But this team was crazy from the beginning: sudden losses of coordination allowing opponents to create havoc. For some reason this year, opponents would go on point explosions while the Cougars would run around throwing the ball away.

    The main issue is player departures. We all know who left early. No star seniors. Some leaving after 1 year of play. I don't know of any coach who could get around this. The AD needs to interview these guys and other coaches and see what's going on. Nobody can win when their best players jump ship after a year or two.

    Personally, I think BYU's Mickey Mouse "honor code" is a problem. Missions are aways a problem but BYU coaches know how to get around that. But the HC is so intrusive that I'm not sure that I would want to play there, especially if I were non-LDS.

  • 1utah_man! Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2019 7:50 a.m.

    BYU needs to get into a real conference in all sports, including football. Football independence is a dead end. The WCC is a JUCO conference sans Gonzaga.
    Look what’s happening at Utah State!
    Tom Holmoe needs to go. He made a desperate and fatal decision by leaving the Mountain West. He will never admit it was the wrong decision.

  • wallyball SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 18, 2019 7:33 a.m.

    Bottom line is better players and better coaches needed. Start with coaches who can game plan, motivate and recruit. Suggestions: Mark Madsen, currently an assistant with the Lakers, Alex Jensen, an assistant with the Jazz and Mark Pope at UVU. Get out the pocketbook and pay the going rate. Being proactive has not been a strong point for Byu.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 18, 2019 7:10 a.m.

    Misery loves company; though year for both the Utes and Cougars.

  • THEREALND Mishawaka, IN
    March 18, 2019 4:46 a.m.

    How did the WCC scheduling changes work out? Did the changes accomplish the goals as intended in the first season since they were implemented?

    “We are confident that these innovative adjustments will enhance access to the NCAA Tournament for the best programs of our marquee sport,”

    The WCC did get two teams into the NCAA tournament, but we all know the only reason that happened is because someone other than Gonzaga won the conference tournament.

    The "innovative adjustments" don't seem to have had any impact. Except possibly a negative one on BYU. The conference has 3 teams competing in either the NCAA or the NIT. A typical season.

  • Cougalum St. George, UT
    March 18, 2019 3:49 a.m.

    Childs will leave because there is no coach at BYU who can help him be a better player in one year. And the only thing that is accomplished is a season of injury risk on a team that will not be as good as this season. Transfers are still to come from any player who is marketable to a team actually in the top 100 teams in the country. Reid, I mean Rose, is good enough to coach so long as there is a Jimmer on the team. Only a Jimmer can enable the coach to just get out of the way and that is the only way Reid, I mean Rose, will be successful. One thing for sure, if attendance goes down by 2,000 more seats Rose will be fired just as Reid was. So — I encourage at least 2,000 more of you to stay away next year. Holmoe will not pay attention to anything that goes on either on the court or on the football field. But he will have a difficult time justifying his poor performance at the ticket booth.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    March 17, 2019 11:25 p.m.

    Old But Not Stupid - Moorpark, CA
    March 17, 2019 7:01 p.m.
    “Doesn't this suggest that BYU is not even a Top 100 team?


    Since, there are many auto-qualifiers in the NCAA tournament that aren’t in the Top 100.

    Most of the most respected ranking systems had BYU around 85th.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2019 11:16 p.m.

    It looks like we all agree the BYU ended the season poorly but even with that they still owned the rest of the state. They just play in an improving conference. The WCC owned the pac this year which is not really saying a lot anymore.

    BYU basketball will bounce back.

  • Mowgli54 Granite Bay, CA
    March 17, 2019 11:16 p.m.

    I am grateful to Dave Rose for all he’s done, all his success. And likewise to Yoeli. I don’t think Yoeli should go, but I’m expecting he will; I think Rose needs to move on, but expect he won’t. I don’t see the athletic department picking up the last year of his contract. I think between the pressure of the job and his having had to deal with pancreatic cancer, I think he’s been spent. Does Coach Pope’s contract with UVU allow him to opt out if BYU comes calling?

    Regardless, the basketball program needs an overhaul: in recruiting, especially outside Utah valley; in defense, in game prep and management. I believe this requires a new set of perspective.

  • Bigger Bubba Herriman, UT
    March 17, 2019 10:10 p.m.

    BYU Hockey is having a great season!

  • Spalding55 Placentia, CA
    March 17, 2019 10:09 p.m.

    Before BYU goes out and makes massive changes, they may want to wait and see what changes the NBA and NCAA plan on making regarding elite graduating high
    school basketball players. If the NBA allows graduating seniors to be drafted out of high school, BYU won’t be the only program trying to figure out its future.

  • CougFaninTX Spring, TX
    March 17, 2019 10:06 p.m.

    I have to believe that if Childs were to end his career on a higher note his paycheck would increase even if its overseas. He and Baxter could be one of the top front courts in the West next year.

  • Hermey Alpine, UT
    March 17, 2019 9:53 p.m.

    "You can trace this train wreck season to one thing.....NCAA infractions."

    One thing? LOL... Try adding poor coaching, lack of athleticism, bad attitudes, and lack of effort along with the NCAA rules violations.

    We stink. We need to try ctrl-alt-del to reboot the program.

  • Rockyrd Gilbert, AZ
    March 17, 2019 9:50 p.m.

    What I am reading here is the same old song and dance I heard about Stan Watts and LaVell Edwards about three years before they retired. It gets real old. The sun doesn't always shine, putts don't always sink, etc., etc.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    March 17, 2019 9:37 p.m.

    You can trace this train wreck season to one thing.....NCAA infractions. Maybe coach Rose can get that corrected before next season.

  • SorryNotSorry Draper, UT
    March 17, 2019 8:59 p.m.

    Yes put us out of our misery!

  • owesley Mapleton, UT
    March 17, 2019 8:59 p.m.

    I am not a poor loser, I just hate losing as a fan. Watching BYU this year has caused more frustration than any season in any sport at BYU in a long, long time. Yes, even worse than the two seasons ago debacle in football. And yes, to the point of previous comments, the San Diego total meltdown is directly on the shoulders of outrageously poor coaching. Rose and the rest of them, were clueless. So no, BYU Mens don’t deserve to be in the NIT. Fans are not dumb. As evidenced by the dwindling attendance at the games. The MC should have 18-20,000 fans every home game, but there were barely 12,000 game after game. Yoeli is such a great guy, but no where near ready for the big league in terms of capability. One game in the NIT would have been just another San Diego game.

    But, I am excited about 2 things; 1) I haven’t paid to renew 2019/2020 basketball tickets yet! 2) Womens Volleyball is just around the corner!

  • WJCoug South Jordan, Utah
    March 17, 2019 8:59 p.m.

    Sorry but it is time to clean house. How long is mediocrity going to be acceptable?

  • TX BYU Fan Heber City, UT
    March 17, 2019 8:57 p.m.

    Well, when your team is pretty crappy, you don't go to a tournament. Pretty simple.

  • UtahBlueDevil Alpine, UT
    March 17, 2019 8:41 p.m.

    You know.... there isn't much that hasn't already said about this. Hopefully this is a bottom for the program. Hopefully coach figures out a path forward. Hopefully...... you get the idea.

  • Hockey Fan Miles City, MT
    March 17, 2019 8:34 p.m.

    Right decision, in my opinion. Time to cut their losses and prepare for next season. It's unfortunate that the team had such a disappointing year, especially after the extreme investment by donors to construct a special annex with a replica Marriott Center basketball court and many, many extra amenities, all of which would ostensibly make the team even better. I hope the investment pays better dividends in future seasons.

  • Well.... Phoenix, AZ
    March 17, 2019 8:29 p.m.

    Honestly, it's just as well for the Cougs that they sit this one out and try to put together a decent team next year. Reading between the lines, seems like Yoeli is probably done. That's sad, because he'd seriously benefit from a senior year in the program (we can only hope a winning one) and have a much better shot at the NBA instead of joining his former teammates in Europe. But it's a choice only he can make.

    Still, I'm not on the "It's all Rose's fault" bandwagon. He's shown what he can do when he has quality athletes who follow his directions and stick around. His problem at this point is that he's not getting guys who are all three, and the last two are partly on the players, not just the coach. Not sticking around is part of the college game almost everywhere now, which hits the Cougs harder because they thrive on team chemistry rather than pure athleticism. Firing Rose doesn't fix that in the least.

    Rose is a good coach who could be great with some better play from the guys on the court. He needs to recruit better athletes; they need to be responsible for not executing the game plans or working together well. Team problem.

  • Deanvrtc Vancouver, WA
    March 17, 2019 8:25 p.m.

    This is a sad ending but Cougar basketball did not deserve a bid to either tournament. We all hope Rose retires with some dignity, as this will continue to get worse. There is no sign of new talent or recruits that will rescue next years program. Players with talent don’t want to sign on to this. Players with talant leave because they cant see value to their careers in staying. Mr. Holmoe, do your job as athletic director. Cougar alumni are tired of watching the downward trend.

  • Sir289 ,
    March 17, 2019 8:24 p.m.

    Since I enrolled at BYU back in 1971 the basketball program has never looked more bleak. I have no confidence in Rose to right the ship and I don’t think the athletic director has the ability to find a better replacement. This was the first year since 71 I chose not to watch any games because it would be way too frustrating to watch a team that has an offensive game plan that resembles a typical pickup game and a defense that uses the NBA all star game as a blueprint. This time next year this will look like a year that wasn’t so bad after all.

  • cougarsrock Springville, UT
    March 17, 2019 8:17 p.m.

    If this does not get some heads rolling within the Basketball program then nothing will .....

  • V.A from Texas denton, TX
    March 17, 2019 8:16 p.m.

    Time to hang it up Dave. The game has past you. Need to play defense and that isn’t something coached at BYU, at least this year, with the loss of the only coach that knew defense. Recruiters needs to get out of Utah County and even out of the country like Gonzaga or St. Mary’s. Always amazed how these small private schools in the WCC push us around year in year out.

  • CowboySky Green River, WY
    March 17, 2019 8:08 p.m.

    BYU was not deserving of an NIT bid. Program has gone downhill for a few years now. Talent is lacking. Coaches cannot effectively motivate players anymore. More games against Quardrant 1 teams will only result in more painful losses given talent level of players and coaching. Program bores me now. Women's program, on the other hand, is doing well.

  • blue & white , 00
    March 17, 2019 7:59 p.m.

    I agree to stop the season since we didn’t make the NIT. A complete program evaluation needs to happen. Perhaps it was too early to extend Rose contract. All the people on the staff are good people but are they best for the team. We have several inexperienced college coaches. Someone needs to hold the coaches accountable why players are leaving. Tom H needs to get involved with this if he hasn’t done so. I think Dastrup left due to lack of playing time while he should have played ahead others. Same for Hardnett. Rose has his favorites and others in the past have left early. I don’t think Rose can handle players effectively. Are we headed for the same results next year? Go Cougs.

  • LDSAZ Casa Grande, AZ
    March 17, 2019 7:55 p.m.

    Sad, but right. I hope for a better season next year, seeing a lot more heart and hard work 40 minutes a game.

  • [email protected] Pocatello, ID
    March 17, 2019 7:44 p.m.

    The last two years have been hard to watch-in wins and losses-and I don't know why. I've lost interest. My first year in SLC was BYU's 24-4 season with Danny Ainge, so I've been a big fan for awhile.

    But while I loved Dave Rose's first decade, things have changed. Why did Elijah Bryant, Eric Mika and (I'm sure) Yoeli Childs leave knowing they weren't going to play in the NBA? And what about all of the transfers, especially the legacy players that looked so good? Here are a few off the top of my head:

    Jordan Chatman averaged 13.2 ppg for BC
    Jake Toolson averaged 15.0 ppg for Utah Valley
    Frank Bartley IV averaged 17.9 ppg for Louisiana
    Jamal Aaytes averaged 13.0 ppg for So. Utah a year ago

    Is it today's young players being antsy and needing playing time NOW or is there something within the program? Did they do so well because its a lower level of basketball? Other than Gonzaga, these are all as good as or superior to most WCC teams. All of the transfers started after the move to the WCC. Could it be the small gyms?

    I don't know. But I hope someone figures it out

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 17, 2019 7:29 p.m.

    A dreadful season. The thing is, I fault coaching for a large part of this season's failures.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 17, 2019 7:01 p.m.

    Doesn't this suggest that BYU is not even a Top 100 team?

    Wonder if this will spark some corrective ACTION by supervision....